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		<title>By: Brian Moylan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6798#comment-224357</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Moylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@uponnothing Sorry for intrusion: http://bit.ly/bzANo9 ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@uponnothing Sorry for intrusion: <a href="http://bit.ly/bzANo9" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bzANo9</a> ?</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: The weekly roundup &#124; Daily Mail Watch</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6798#comment-188506</link>
		<dc:creator>The weekly roundup &#124; Daily Mail Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has some notes about the pay of the Mails&#8217; top man, Dacre, Pickled Politics talks about persecuted Christians and Charlie Becket has some thoughts on copyright issues raised by a Mail article about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: boyo</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6798#comment-188365</link>
		<dc:creator>boyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the usual suspects&quot; Does the Mail have an agenda? Probably, but no more than Sunny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the usual suspects&#8221; Does the Mail have an agenda? Probably, but no more than Sunny.</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6798#comment-188332</link>
		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œI am not sure how your system works - Is it the actual POLICE who independently pressed for this case? - Or is the woman Erica Tazi - asked after making the complaint if under public order laws she would like to follow through with court action ?&lt;br&gt;anyone know?â€&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From Harryâ€™s Place:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;â€œNow, letâ€™s see what the so-called Islamic Human Rights Commission has to say about this trial. Surprise surprise! It turns out that this front group for the Islamic Republic of Iran was behind the case:â€&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/12/10/the-ihrc-is-taking-the-piss/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/12/10/the-ihrc...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œI am not sure how your system works &#8211; Is it the actual POLICE who independently pressed for this case? &#8211; Or is the woman Erica Tazi &#8211; asked after making the complaint if under public order laws she would like to follow through with court action ?<br />anyone know?â€</p>
<p>From Harryâ€™s Place:</p>
<p>â€œNow, letâ€™s see what the so-called Islamic Human Rights Commission has to say about this trial. Surprise surprise! It turns out that this front group for the Islamic Republic of Iran was behind the case:â€</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/12/10/the-ihrc-is-taking-the-piss/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/12/10/the-ihrc&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6798#comment-188326</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a reasonable discussion about religion &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;????????????????????????????????????????????????/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a reasonable discussion about religion &#8220;</p>
<p>????????????????????????????????????????????????/</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6798#comment-188311</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is &#039;up to an hour&#039;?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;She claims she left but was followed. Storming may not be such a viable option when you are 60 and poorly. Who knows? Shouldn&#039;t have gone to law, but I suspect she had a case for giving them a scathing review on the relevant website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is &#39;up to an hour&#39;?</p>
<p>She claims she left but was followed. Storming may not be such a viable option when you are 60 and poorly. Who knows? Shouldn&#39;t have gone to law, but I suspect she had a case for giving them a scathing review on the relevant website.</p>
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		<title>By: KB Player</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6798#comment-188307</link>
		<dc:creator>KB Player</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8404212.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Explaining his reasons for dismissal, Judge Clancy said Mrs Tazi&#039;s claim that she was verbally attacked for up to an hour had not been backed up by the other witnesses. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would you and I stick around while being verbally attacked for up to an hour?  Whatever happened to storming out of unpleasant situations?</description>
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<blockquote><p>Explaining his reasons for dismissal, Judge Clancy said Mrs Tazi&#39;s claim that she was verbally attacked for up to an hour had not been backed up by the other witnesses. </p></blockquote>
<p>Would you and I stick around while being verbally attacked for up to an hour?  Whatever happened to storming out of unpleasant situations?</p>
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		<title>By: The Queen of Fiddlesticks</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6798#comment-188299</link>
		<dc:creator>The Queen of Fiddlesticks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoted from the original mail link ....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;      &quot;The use by the police of the Public Order Act to arrest people over offensive comments has dismayed a number of lawyers, who say the legislation was passed to deal with law and order problems in the streets. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Neil Addison, a prominent criminal barrister and expert in religious law, said: â€˜The purpose of the Public Order Act is to prevent disorder, but Iâ€™m very concerned that the police are using it merely because someone is offended. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;â€˜It should be used where there is violence, yobbish behaviour or gratuitous personal abuse. It should never be used where there has been a personal conversation or debate with views firmly expressed. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;â€˜If someone is in a discussion and they donâ€™t like what they are hearing, they can walk away.â€™&lt;br&gt;He added that the police had a legal duty under the Human Rights Act to defend free speech â€˜and I think they are forgetting thatâ€™.&lt;br&gt;A number of Church leaders in Liverpool have written to Keir Starmer, the Director of Public Prosecutions, voicing their concerns and pressing for the case to be dropped.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Read more: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214666/Christian-hotel-owners-hauled-court-defending-beliefs-discussion-Muslim-guest.html#ixzz0ZDVgpcRb&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214666...&lt;/a&gt;  &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not sure how your system works - Is it the actual POLICE who independently  pressed for this case? - Or is the woman Erica Tazi - asked after making the complaint if under public order laws she would like to follow through with court action ?&lt;br&gt;anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoted from the original mail link &#8230;.</p>
<p>      &#8220;The use by the police of the Public Order Act to arrest people over offensive comments has dismayed a number of lawyers, who say the legislation was passed to deal with law and order problems in the streets. </p>
<p>Neil Addison, a prominent criminal barrister and expert in religious law, said: â€˜The purpose of the Public Order Act is to prevent disorder, but Iâ€™m very concerned that the police are using it merely because someone is offended. </p>
<p>â€˜It should be used where there is violence, yobbish behaviour or gratuitous personal abuse. It should never be used where there has been a personal conversation or debate with views firmly expressed. </p>
<p>â€˜If someone is in a discussion and they donâ€™t like what they are hearing, they can walk away.â€™<br />He added that the police had a legal duty under the Human Rights Act to defend free speech â€˜and I think they are forgetting thatâ€™.<br />A number of Church leaders in Liverpool have written to Keir Starmer, the Director of Public Prosecutions, voicing their concerns and pressing for the case to be dropped.</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214666/Christian-hotel-owners-hauled-court-defending-beliefs-discussion-Muslim-guest.html#ixzz0ZDVgpcRb" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214666&#8230;</a>  &#8220;</p>
<p>I am not sure how your system works &#8211; Is it the actual POLICE who independently  pressed for this case? &#8211; Or is the woman Erica Tazi &#8211; asked after making the complaint if under public order laws she would like to follow through with court action ?<br />anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: DavidMWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidMWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Case dismissed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank fuck for that.</description>
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<p>Thank fuck for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6798#comment-188272</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: Na, na, na-na, na!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m struggling to understand what your point about homosexuality in the west is about. What is your point? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: Then I would suggest that you re-read your own initial comments to which I responded. Perhaps that will shed some light.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lots of people support the death penalty, I&#039;m not one of them. Even for paedophiles.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: You are entitled to your opinion. And in certain circumstances I can see your viewpoint too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: Although I&#039;d like to hang around and read your response, I must dash. I probably will not visit this website again, therefore have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were too.</p>
<p>Me: Na, na, na-na, na!</p>
<p>I&#39;m struggling to understand what your point about homosexuality in the west is about. What is your point? </p>
<p>Me: Then I would suggest that you re-read your own initial comments to which I responded. Perhaps that will shed some light.</p>
<p>Lots of people support the death penalty, I&#39;m not one of them. Even for paedophiles.</p>
<p>Me: You are entitled to your opinion. And in certain circumstances I can see your viewpoint too.</p>
<p>Me: Although I&#39;d like to hang around and read your response, I must dash. I probably will not visit this website again, therefore have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: wyrdtimes</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6798#comment-188268</link>
		<dc:creator>wyrdtimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Me: Quite a childish response, and no I am not confirming what you have stated.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You were too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Homosexuality is more prevalent in the West&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: And what? You really do have a problem trying to grasp the point being made, don&#039;t you?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m struggling to understand what your point about homosexuality in the west is about. What is your point? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Me: You obviously only read selective news. A Saudi national was recently sentenced to (and executed?) for illegal acts against children. He won&#039;t be doing it again. In the West, its a slap on the wrist and time out to re-offend.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lots of people support the death penalty, I&#039;m not one of them. Even for paedophiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Me: Quite a childish response, and no I am not confirming what you have stated.&#8221;</p>
<p>You were too.</p>
<p>&#8220;Homosexuality is more prevalent in the West&#8221;.</p>
<p>Me: And what? You really do have a problem trying to grasp the point being made, don&#39;t you?</p>
<p>I&#39;m struggling to understand what your point about homosexuality in the west is about. What is your point? </p>
<p>&#8220;Me: You obviously only read selective news. A Saudi national was recently sentenced to (and executed?) for illegal acts against children. He won&#39;t be doing it again. In the West, its a slap on the wrist and time out to re-offend.&#8221; </p>
<p>Lots of people support the death penalty, I&#39;m not one of them. Even for paedophiles.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah ok so your confirming that Mohhamed and Hitler had things in common then - that&#039;s the point I was making.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: Quite a childish response, and no I am not confirming what you have stated.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not a Christian btw so they&#039;ll get no defence from me and I&#039;m not offended by any insult to them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: I have no intention to insult Christians. I was merely pointing out that the same allegations you make can be made against any other religion or person. Tell what your viewpoint is, and I will edit my comments so that they apply to whatever you believe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Homosexuality is more prevalent in the West&quot;. And?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: And what? You really do have a problem trying to grasp the point being made, don&#039;t you?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the &quot;West&quot; we&#039;ve got to the point where we don&#039;t think homosexuality is a crime and definitely not worth throwing people off hill-tops or hanging them for it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: ...but you haven&#039;t got to the point of letting (other) people believe what they want without your snide, obnoxious and vile comments and innuendos? Very modern of you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The average peado is male and white - well the ones we know about anyway.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: We also know that there has been a huge outcry in the US and Europe about both churches and synogogues where these acts have been taking place. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Who knows what going on in the Ummah where paedophilia is legitimised by the life of Mohammed himself? Eh?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: You obviously only read selective news. A Saudi national was recently sentenced to (and executed?) for illegal acts against children. He won&#039;t be doing it again. In the West, its a slap on the wrist and time out to re-offend.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Me: I have to apologise for my comment &quot;Also the average peado is male and white&quot;. That was an ignorant comment - I got carried away with responding to wyrd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah ok so your confirming that Mohhamed and Hitler had things in common then &#8211; that&#39;s the point I was making.</p>
<p>Me: Quite a childish response, and no I am not confirming what you have stated.</p>
<p>I&#39;m not a Christian btw so they&#39;ll get no defence from me and I&#39;m not offended by any insult to them.</p>
<p>Me: I have no intention to insult Christians. I was merely pointing out that the same allegations you make can be made against any other religion or person. Tell what your viewpoint is, and I will edit my comments so that they apply to whatever you believe.</p>
<p>&#8220;Homosexuality is more prevalent in the West&#8221;. And?</p>
<p>Me: And what? You really do have a problem trying to grasp the point being made, don&#39;t you?</p>
<p>In the &#8220;West&#8221; we&#39;ve got to the point where we don&#39;t think homosexuality is a crime and definitely not worth throwing people off hill-tops or hanging them for it.</p>
<p>Me: &#8230;but you haven&#39;t got to the point of letting (other) people believe what they want without your snide, obnoxious and vile comments and innuendos? Very modern of you.</p>
<p>The average peado is male and white &#8211; well the ones we know about anyway.</p>
<p>Me: We also know that there has been a huge outcry in the US and Europe about both churches and synogogues where these acts have been taking place. </p>
<p>Who knows what going on in the Ummah where paedophilia is legitimised by the life of Mohammed himself? Eh?</p>
<p>Me: You obviously only read selective news. A Saudi national was recently sentenced to (and executed?) for illegal acts against children. He won&#39;t be doing it again. In the West, its a slap on the wrist and time out to re-offend.</p>
<p>Me: I have to apologise for my comment &#8220;Also the average peado is male and white&#8221;. That was an ignorant comment &#8211; I got carried away with responding to wyrd.</p>
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		<title>By: wyrdtimes</title>
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		<dc:creator>wyrdtimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah ok so your confirming that Mohhamed and Hitler had things in common then - that&#039;s the point I was making.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not a Christian btw so they&#039;ll get no defence from me and I&#039;m not offended by any insult to them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Homosexuality is more prevalent in the West&quot;. And?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the &quot;West&quot; we&#039;ve got to the point where we don&#039;t think homosexuality is a crime and definitely not worth throwing people off hill-tops or hanging them for it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The average peado is male and white  - well the ones we know about anyway. Who knows what going on in the Ummah where paedophilia is legitimised by the life of Mohammed himself? Eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah ok so your confirming that Mohhamed and Hitler had things in common then &#8211; that&#39;s the point I was making.</p>
<p>I&#39;m not a Christian btw so they&#39;ll get no defence from me and I&#39;m not offended by any insult to them.</p>
<p>&#8220;Homosexuality is more prevalent in the West&#8221;. And?</p>
<p>In the &#8220;West&#8221; we&#39;ve got to the point where we don&#39;t think homosexuality is a crime and definitely not worth throwing people off hill-tops or hanging them for it.</p>
<p>The average peado is male and white  &#8211; well the ones we know about anyway. Who knows what going on in the Ummah where paedophilia is legitimised by the life of Mohammed himself? Eh?</p>
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		<title>By: jamestheVIII</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamestheVIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#124; have read spin on stories before but yet again daily mail takes the biscuit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A muslim woman is abused by a couple who call her terrorist and murderer because she wears a scarf or piece of material on her head which appears to be made of a cotton type material!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the couple who are expressing their views or shouting nasty abuse in most normal peoples book are labelled as being persecuted, whats next nazi germans going to be called persecuted because they believed in the superior Aryan race!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>| have read spin on stories before but yet again daily mail takes the biscuit.</p>
<p>A muslim woman is abused by a couple who call her terrorist and murderer because she wears a scarf or piece of material on her head which appears to be made of a cotton type material!</p>
<p>And the couple who are expressing their views or shouting nasty abuse in most normal peoples book are labelled as being persecuted, whats next nazi germans going to be called persecuted because they believed in the superior Aryan race!</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All those checks also apply to the Christians, my uniformed friend; Hitler was a Christian. Check. Christians embrace homosexuals? No check. The couple in the article showed their intolerance towards another faith. Check. Totalitarian tendencies? Check (see the planned &quot;democracisation&quot; of the Middle East by the two Christians, Bliar and Bush). military expansionist. Check (see previous point). Sexual deviance. Homosexuality is more prevalent in the West. Also the average peado is male and white. Check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All those checks also apply to the Christians, my uniformed friend; Hitler was a Christian. Check. Christians embrace homosexuals? No check. The couple in the article showed their intolerance towards another faith. Check. Totalitarian tendencies? Check (see the planned &#8220;democracisation&#8221; of the Middle East by the two Christians, Bliar and Bush). military expansionist. Check (see previous point). Sexual deviance. Homosexuality is more prevalent in the West. Also the average peado is male and white. Check.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakoub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yakoub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was uni, a Jewish guy who was supposedly my pal froze me out when I converted to Islam, so when I saw him demonstrating the use of Tefillin to a Christian student, I asked him if he was explaining Jewish bondage. He told me to fuck off, and rightly so - actually, I probably deserved a smack in the mouth for that. But the only time anyone should get legal-heavy over such matters is when they are providing a public service, as when some RC ars at the national blood service starting dissing the Prophet as she was sticking a needle in my arm. I formerly complained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was uni, a Jewish guy who was supposedly my pal froze me out when I converted to Islam, so when I saw him demonstrating the use of Tefillin to a Christian student, I asked him if he was explaining Jewish bondage. He told me to fuck off, and rightly so &#8211; actually, I probably deserved a smack in the mouth for that. But the only time anyone should get legal-heavy over such matters is when they are providing a public service, as when some RC ars at the national blood service starting dissing the Prophet as she was sticking a needle in my arm. I formerly complained.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakoub</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6798#comment-188240</link>
		<dc:creator>Yakoub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was uni, a Jewish guy who was supposedly my pal froze me out when I converted to Islam, so when I saw him demonstrating the use of Tefillin to a Christian student, I asked him if he was explaining Jewish bondage. He told me to fuck off, and rightly so - actually, I probably deserved a smack in the mouth for that. But the only time anyone should get legal-heavy over such matters is when they are providing a public service, as when some RC ars at the national blood service starting dissing the Prophet as she was sticking a needle in my arm. I formerly complained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was uni, a Jewish guy who was supposedly my pal froze me out when I converted to Islam, so when I saw him demonstrating the use of Tefillin to a Christian student, I asked him if he was explaining Jewish bondage. He told me to fuck off, and rightly so &#8211; actually, I probably deserved a smack in the mouth for that. But the only time anyone should get legal-heavy over such matters is when they are providing a public service, as when some RC ars at the national blood service starting dissing the Prophet as she was sticking a needle in my arm. I formerly complained.</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew Taylor, Marvin and DavidWWW all make very good points. Clearly this should not be in court.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, I understand Sunnyâ€™s point that this is demonstrating that the Mail is biased.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course it is. All media is biased to some extent with regard to the views of itâ€™s editorial team. This blog is biased. So is the BBC.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Iâ€™ve written twice to the BBC recently, regarding thoroughly biased and wilfully misleading reporting.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The first example concerned the reporting of the murder of a â€œgrandfather leaving a mosque in Tootingâ€ by a gang of â€œyouthsâ€ in front of his grand daughter in a â€œracist attackâ€.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nowhere in the report did it mention that the â€œyouthsâ€ in question were all black.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Subsequent reports appeared to address this very material omission, and I like to think that my letter had something to do with it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The second, far more serious case, concerned the â€œracist attacksâ€ on Indian students by Australian â€œyouthsâ€. At the end of the report, the BBC helpfully provided an analysis of Australiaâ€™s racist history, including their former â€˜whites-onlyâ€™ immigration policy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, the BBC article failed to mention that all of the â€œracistâ€ attacks were carried out against Hindu and Sikh students by â€˜Australiansâ€™ from Middle Eastern Muslims backgrounds.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At what stage does â€œspinâ€ become a lie?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So get off your high horse Sunny. Neither the BBC nor you have any moral authority in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew Taylor, Marvin and DavidWWW all make very good points. Clearly this should not be in court.</p>
<p>However, I understand Sunnyâ€™s point that this is demonstrating that the Mail is biased.</p>
<p>Of course it is. All media is biased to some extent with regard to the views of itâ€™s editorial team. This blog is biased. So is the BBC.</p>
<p>Iâ€™ve written twice to the BBC recently, regarding thoroughly biased and wilfully misleading reporting.</p>
<p>The first example concerned the reporting of the murder of a â€œgrandfather leaving a mosque in Tootingâ€ by a gang of â€œyouthsâ€ in front of his grand daughter in a â€œracist attackâ€.</p>
<p>Nowhere in the report did it mention that the â€œyouthsâ€ in question were all black.</p>
<p>Subsequent reports appeared to address this very material omission, and I like to think that my letter had something to do with it.</p>
<p>The second, far more serious case, concerned the â€œracist attacksâ€ on Indian students by Australian â€œyouthsâ€. At the end of the report, the BBC helpfully provided an analysis of Australiaâ€™s racist history, including their former â€˜whites-onlyâ€™ immigration policy.</p>
<p>However, the BBC article failed to mention that all of the â€œracistâ€ attacks were carried out against Hindu and Sikh students by â€˜Australiansâ€™ from Middle Eastern Muslims backgrounds.</p>
<p>At what stage does â€œspinâ€ become a lie?</p>
<p>So get off your high horse Sunny. Neither the BBC nor you have any moral authority in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidMWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidMWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unlikely that we are going to get an honest description of events from either party in this case, as they are both equally mired in their own self-indulgent persecution complexes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But wtf is it doing in court in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unlikely that we are going to get an honest description of events from either party in this case, as they are both equally mired in their own self-indulgent persecution complexes.</p>
<p>But wtf is it doing in court in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: The Queen of Fiddlesticks</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Queen of Fiddlesticks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get your point sunny.&lt;br&gt;Looking around at headlines just a few days later ... they switch angles &lt;br&gt;&quot;Muslim woman hits back over race row with hotel couple&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Read more: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216357/They-called-terrorist--Muslim-woman-hits-race-row-hotel-couple.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0ZA4UNtLr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216357...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;it went from Christian persecution - to a racism - ?&lt;br&gt;about the muslim woman though, for a month she wore western clothes then on her last day at the hotel  she put on hijab - from this link  -it claims she states she may appear in court with full burka ...   LOL!&lt;br&gt;interesting that she suffers from fibromyalgia - which has links to mental illness - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.medicinenet.com/fibromyalgia/page2.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.medicinenet.com/fibromyalgia/page2.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I really liked this post - One of the things that upsets me most these days is both how the media uses &quot;news&quot; and how people use the &quot;media&quot; - &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do get some comfort from this - would seem &quot;mainstream media&quot; is not so mainstream in the US with NPR at the top :)&lt;br&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newswar/part3/stats.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newswar...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;(2009 figures reflect an upward trend as well)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is discussion over here on European news traditionaly being more &quot;political&quot; than the american version of reporting - and if current trends in media are turning in a simular direction.... though it seems to be turning people off.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;you ask - &quot;The Daily Mail reporter didnâ€™t think it was important to report those facts. Wonder why that is?&quot;&lt;br&gt;I would say the answer is the mail is a crap paper ..he is not paid to report facts he is paid to report crap ... probably half their readers do so only to find and point out the crap being reported there and create some sensationalism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I kind of don&#039;t get your last comment about the &quot;spin&quot;  though... only cause it doesnt stop there, it keeps going and going in every direction. As I have shown with that link to another headline. Maybe the mail is an equal oppertunity promoter for all institutional nutters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get your point sunny.<br />Looking around at headlines just a few days later &#8230; they switch angles <br />&#8220;Muslim woman hits back over race row with hotel couple&#8221;</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216357/They-called-terrorist--Muslim-woman-hits-race-row-hotel-couple.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0ZA4UNtLr" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216357&#8230;</a></p>
<p>it went from Christian persecution &#8211; to a racism &#8211; ?<br />about the muslim woman though, for a month she wore western clothes then on her last day at the hotel  she put on hijab &#8211; from this link  -it claims she states she may appear in court with full burka &#8230;   LOL!<br />interesting that she suffers from fibromyalgia &#8211; which has links to mental illness &#8211; <a href="http://www.medicinenet.com/fibromyalgia/page2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.medicinenet.com/fibromyalgia/page2.htm</a></p>
<p>I really liked this post &#8211; One of the things that upsets me most these days is both how the media uses &#8220;news&#8221; and how people use the &#8220;media&#8221; &#8211; </p>
<p>I do get some comfort from this &#8211; would seem &#8220;mainstream media&#8221; is not so mainstream in the US with NPR at the top <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br /> <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newswar/part3/stats.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newswar&#8230;</a> <br />(2009 figures reflect an upward trend as well)</p>
<p>There is discussion over here on European news traditionaly being more &#8220;political&#8221; than the american version of reporting &#8211; and if current trends in media are turning in a simular direction&#8230;. though it seems to be turning people off.</p>
<p>you ask &#8211; &#8220;The Daily Mail reporter didnâ€™t think it was important to report those facts. Wonder why that is?&#8221;<br />I would say the answer is the mail is a crap paper ..he is not paid to report facts he is paid to report crap &#8230; probably half their readers do so only to find and point out the crap being reported there and create some sensationalism.</p>
<p>I kind of don&#39;t get your last comment about the &#8220;spin&#8221;  though&#8230; only cause it doesnt stop there, it keeps going and going in every direction. As I have shown with that link to another headline. Maybe the mail is an equal oppertunity promoter for all institutional nutters.</p>
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