have you interviewed all muslims so you can say all that garbage? No-one is saying there is perfection…yes im aware of issues in muslims countries just as there are issues in non muslim countries.

anyhow…i can't be bothered to enage with someone ever so narrow minded as this. My mere point was why the hatred??!!
can't you just be a bit more rational about all this…

IN the meantime, Switzerland which counts only 300,000 Muslims ( half of whom don't even work) has dozens and dozens of mosques that operate openly and freely.

The size of the hypocrisy on the part of Muslims when it comes to reciprocity inthe filed of religious ointolerance can quite rightly be described as being pathological in its intensity

the stupidest thing is to believe that if you will be tolerant to muslims, they will be tolerant to you. they will treat you just like their religion tells them to.

muslims demand more and more “rights” (actually privelieges) in non-muslims countries, but do they practice the same tolerance?

is there much tolerance in muslim countries? on the contrary, persection of non-muslims increases every day, THIS IS THE ONLY SENCERE MUSLIM'S ATTITUDE TO NON-MUSLIMS – the way them treat them in ther (muslims') homes

this is the only fruit of your tolerance

I would recommend you to look for some information about christians life in muslims countries. but surely you'll say it has nothing to do with persecutor's and persecuted religion… oh yeah of course it doesn't when it come to muslims

unbelievable that such mentally challenged people like you dare to reproach others

what on earth are talking about Camilla ??!!! unbeliavable how stupid you sound

1) I oppose all lawbreakers, so tax dodgers and benefit cheats are equally reprehensible.

2) Benefits/subsidies/bailouts should be cut for refugees and bankers alike. Both taxation and the welfare state are evil, as they discourage hard work, subsidise recklessness and encourage laziness.

3) You are correct in pointing out the educational failings of the WWC. They too are authors of their own misery, because their culture values binge drinking over education. All members of the underclass, irrespective of race, should either be denied benefits, or only given benefits in exchange for being sterilised so that they do not perpetuate the underclass and burden future generations of hard working middle class taxpayers.

4) As you can see from the above, I do not distinguish between races. However, I do accept that, in any country, indigenous illiterates ought to have priority over foreign illiterates by dint of being there first.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/3708770/Wh…

do you also get as worked up at rich white peoples tax evasion as well or is it just the blacks that you hate!!!!!

I'm fully aware of Somaliland thanks. And Puntland. I also wish that foreign nations would grant Somaliland de jure recognition – its a pity the AU won't let it happen.

But what does that have to do with the academic and vocational underachievement of Somalis in western Europe relative to other immigrant groups? Forgive my idiocy in asking this question: I am too stupid to understand why my taxes are going to these benefit recipients.

Thanks for the links. I didn't know about Somaliland. Bit of an eye opener, and in a good way.

Others might enjoy this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slWoa9VAmX4

I'd have thought a democratic state in the Horn of Africa should be getting a lot of international support!

you're an idiot…look at somaliland a democratic, secular peaceful country made up of somalis…look up peter tatchell on somaliland…again you are an idiot…

the stoning to death of that girl was by the shabab a crackpot lunatic islamist outfit…armedand outfitted by eirteria…i don't expect you to understand anything

I do wonder if mosque building is always in line with genuine need. If it is then saying ''no minerets'' or being hostile to mosque building is Islamophobic.

But I have no doubt (as people will always want to do business deals that make them money) that there could be deals done and permission asked for from the local authority (in Switzerland for sake of argument) to build a mosque, hotel and shopping complex in the mountains by a lake that would be a popular destination for muslim tourists.
In their business model, they showed that they had financing from rich Gulf Arab states, and the Emir of Dubai had pledged money. There was also to be money from Saudia Arabia and Iran.

It would be a destination that would become famous across the Gulf region and would attract business meetings and conferences from across the muslim world.
I could see why some people might not like the plans.

Some of the people who want to expand influence are wahabis and salafis, and it is understandable if their wishes were not always accommodated.

If you'd bothered to read my last post you'd of course seen that I completely agree that there are good or bad people in all cultures. So what? When making comparative judgements about cultures (not individuals) it's averages that matter and on average it strikes me that Somalis, when living overseas (I don't really care what happens in their own country) don't appear to produce a lot of Silicon Valley entrepreneur types but do appear to struggle educationally and vocationally.

I do not apologise at all for suggesting that Somali culture is particularly ill-suited for the modern world and that the presumption ought to be that Somalis ought not to be top of the list of desirable migrants. Hard to think of any country that, when given a choice, would prefer to embrace migrants from Somalia relative to migrants from say Vietnam.

Of course, if you have any real evidence to the contrary then I will happily stop making value judgements. I'm pleased that Somali culture has a better attitude to women than that found in the middle east. Wow. BFD. But I guess you have to start somewhere.

If you have evidence of, on average, Somali over-achievement in education and employment for example please point to it.

In any case, it matters not now. The UK is finally moving to a points-based migration system rather than a chain-based and smuggling-based system. Let's see how many Somalis make the cut.

and who gave you that stupid idea that if a person is tolerant to islam – she or he must tolerate it's intervention to his life? must tolerate it's arrogant declaration of it's demands and ambitions, embodied in architecture? who told you that?

actually that's the reason I consider the tolerance to islam is a bad thing – muslims' appetite grow day by day

in Russia, we have a good proverd for that – “give him a finger – he bites the whole arm off” …

there is nothing hypocritic about her reaction…

the majority of people would be tolerant to islam if only muslims knew where to stop

I'm sure that there are plenty of people who might think that building things builds their standing wealth and career. And some of them I'm sure are Muslims too who are keen for more Islamic infrastructure and places of worship. Like the disputed (so called) ''Mega Mosque'' that Tablighi Jamaat wanted to build next to West Ham underground station.

I'm nearly through Rory Stewart's book on spending a year in Iraq in 1993 as the deputy governor of Maysan Province just north of Basra, and his time seems to have been plagued by local people petitioning his office for funds for all kinds of building works and referbishment (including of mosques.) Many of whoom he thought were chancers trying it on.
He keeps quoting Machiavelli at the top of each new paragraph as I think that's how he felt dealing with the tribal culture of the sheikhs was like.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Occupational-Hazards-Ti…

Wow Cauldron do you know any somalis…why don'y you get of the net and go and meet some somalis…especially somali womans group.

also why don't you consult the Centtre for Social cohesion report 'Crimes of the. Community. ' which painted a good picture of somali attitudes to women…esepcially in comparison with south asian and mid east attitudes…

I bet sunny is pissed that his comment thread is beind invaded by naive racist goons like you who see fit to damm somalis on the basis of one womens comments….why don't you bother to look at the work of other somali women like Raquiya Haji Dualeh Abdalla, Hadiyo Jim'ale, Ayaan Osman, Roda DaudRoda Daud, Yasmin Mohamed Ladan Affi, or consult the countless womens gruops that operate in the west or back in somalia

i could go on but a racist jerk like you just wants to see work that confirms his own prejudices…

Wow Cauldron do you know any somalis…why don'y you get of the net and go and meet some somalis…especially somali womans group.

also why don't you consult the Centtre for Social cohesion report 'Crimes of the. Community. ' which painted a good picture of somali attitudes to women…esepcially in comparison with south asian and mid east attitudes…

I bet sunny is pissed that his comment thread is beind invaded by naive racist goons like you who see fit to damm somalis on the basis of one womens comments….why don't you bother to look at the work of other somali women like Raquiya Haji Dualeh Abdalla, Hadiyo Jim'ale, Ayaan Osman, Roda DaudRoda Daud, Yasmin Mohamed Ladan Affi, or consult the countless womens gruops that operate in the west or back in somalia

i could go on but a racist jerk like you just wants to see work that confirms his own prejudices…