As a British Muslim myself, I find it most shocking to read the antics of those like islam4uk who claim to be my co-religionists. These individuals are obnoxious amateurs who in their zeal to irritate and provoke the general public, will even trample over every Islamic ethic on decency.

The tragedy is that because the tabloid press love to placate them as somehow representative of mainstream Muslim community has helped the BNP and EDL all Muslims with extremism.

I am ofcourse heartened to read the articles on Guru Hargobind, and find much inspiration in his actions and teachings.

You may be missing the point made in Jais articles yourself. There are groups out there full of zealots ie the extremist Al Qaeda Bin-Laden worshippers, who have a desire to create an Umma in Britain, Europe, US and even Doaba (the cheeky shites) and I agree those idiots need to be highlighted and our full force thrust upon. However the issue is one of bigotry and fascism, and it's important that we don't replace the same idiotic rhetoric with similar hate-fuelled garbage and worse, against a whole community instead of clearly targetting the PDC and HuT and Al Muhajaroun. No one especially Jai has suggested that nor should they.

France has banned the veil (and the turban) from secular public life, and in a similar fashion the minaret is being banned in another corner of Europe. This is reducing our liberties not enforcing and strengthening them, and what they have really done is what the BNP would want i.e. create a crusade mentality, and what the Islamists want i.e. a muslim victimhood. Neither of these actions find solace in Sikhi philosophy. Instead it is the tyrants of the said groups and the garbage they spout which needs to be curtailed, not Islam as the EDL would say.

I've been at enough events and meetings dealing with the aftermath of the Islamist supremacists and their white counterparts. We have to clearly separate these b******s from the everyday Muslim and white person, or be that a 'Sikh'-racist like the BNP loving-fool who calls himself Rajinder Singh.

But I do hear your point that not enough is being done to disrupt the criminal activities that the Islamist rhetoric has bred, which I have seen referred to as 'Infidelism' or ''Kafirism' -a sort of racist or religous crime against someone because they are simply not Muslim. This includes gang rape of so called non-Muslim promiscuous women, targetting of drugs amongst white women to lure them into prostitution etc. I remember a Panorama programme about this a couple of years ago and a young Pakistani community leader in that programme actually pointed the finger at how PC was withholding proper justice to stop such activities. I agree that this new form of hate politics needs to be better highlighted and tackled, especially so as it is destroying real lives and at the same time fuelling bigotry amongst British society which is otherwise relatively cohesive compared to most parts of the world.

Keep up the good fight -'At hee rann mae(n) tab joojh maroo(n)'.

Rab rakha!

p.s. Your grammar does not have that authentic Punjabi dialect yaar so you can not be a real Fojee, hanna. LOL

Some Muslims in Britain have turned into tyrants.

They preach in the middle of town centres and purposely target vulnerable people for conversion either under duress or through coercion which again is mirrored in prisons up and down the country.

I don't know if you guys are aware of a gang called PDC that exists in south London but the plight of the communities in which these Muslim extremists live hardly gets recognised because of the political correctness that has been fostered owing to a fear of offending anyone.

I personally know of a man who was murdered in south London because of his decision to object to threats of murder in case he didn't convert to Islam and join the PDC gang.

Why then is it now considered wrong to challenge these people when our Gurus would have slain them?

Are you all just scared of offending people or just plain ignorant? Or maybe you're scared of doing the right thing and actually calling a spade a spade?

Why do you think people are choosing to back the BNP?

Your average John Bull doesn't give a hoot about someone's religion but when they start feeling unsafe in their own town centres and worry about young Pakistani men targeting their daughters in northern towns in Yorkshire, for example, they turn to extremists like the BNP because the rest of society (especially those who are supposed to represent them like MPs) marginalises their concerns.

So what do you do now?

I tell you what you do- you stop trying to mount the moral high ground and writing posts about the Sikh Gurus whilst telling us not to hate Muslims and instead you LISTEN to the concerns of those who feel like the only option they have is to turn to fascists to actually feel like they have a voice,

Regarding the basic premise of this article and the previous one about Guru Gobind Singh, time will tell if the message is taken on-board by those who really need to hear it.

Your two articles have highlighted how The Guru's really were ahead of their times, setting such great milestones in thinking and action, when all around the globe bigotry was the order of the day be it through race/ethnic slavery of our extended human family, forced conversion of other God loving and fearing people, or caste/class based ill treatment of members of society. Thanks for sharing your posts and confirming that there always is another way to deal with hate and the answer does not have to lie in wanton extremism, or hate fuelled violence and hate against a whole religion or ethnic group.

There is always good in all, and the message of Guru Nanak Sahib at Hardwar and Mecca shows that God resides everywhere and in everyone, its just that we all too often forget God in the rhetoric. Which is where the Al Qaeda nutters have so keenly felt the desire to killanyone that does not believe on their stupid ideology, and the BNP et al want to show that they are more than happy to emulate their rhetoric and then some.

An apocolyptic thought, imagine a world where Al Qaeda have a region/country ruled by their version of sharia law and all are innimical to their version of Islam; and the BNP have their ultra cleansed ethnically pure country. They'll each survive about a day and then start civil war's cos they'll find something that even divides their inbred retard neighbours. What an anti-climax. Either that or they'll turn on each other cos their hate-ideology will need to be spread to the far corners of their flat planet. They do still believe in a flat planet dont they?

Rab rakha!

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