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	<title>Comments on: BBC Panorama, Interpal and Hamas</title>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30079</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny,

But she needs help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny,</p>
<p>But she needs help.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30076</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did someone say something?

I&#039;m sure I heard something ...

TFI ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did someone say something?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I heard something &#8230;</p>
<p>TFI <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30074</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;m not doing any harm here. There&#039;s more to life than Islam, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m not doing any harm here. There&#8217;s more to life than Islam, you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30071</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refresh. I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve mentioned before it&#039;s not a good idea to feed the troll. Can you please stop it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refresh. I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve mentioned before it&#8217;s not a good idea to feed the troll. Can you please stop it.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30070</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where to start? Well if you read my Mary Jackson posts, you&#039;ll get a good idea. Click on my name. Ignore the stuff about Islam, not that there&#039;s tons of it on that blog. Look at my posts about grammar schools, jokes, being a tomboy, language, films, why I&#039;m conservative but feminist, books, silly stuff etc. 

Can&#039;t cover it all here. 

My main problem with Islam is that it stops people, particularly women, being themselves.

And yes, I have a humanities degree. And I think I&#039;m intelligent, or at least quick witted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where to start? Well if you read my Mary Jackson posts, you&#8217;ll get a good idea. Click on my name. Ignore the stuff about Islam, not that there&#8217;s tons of it on that blog. Look at my posts about grammar schools, jokes, being a tomboy, language, films, why I&#8217;m conservative but feminist, books, silly stuff etc. </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t cover it all here. </p>
<p>My main problem with Islam is that it stops people, particularly women, being themselves.</p>
<p>And yes, I have a humanities degree. And I think I&#8217;m intelligent, or at least quick witted.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30061</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not me who needs to lighten up.

Being dishonest, bigotted and ignorant is not the way to conduct yourself. 

But it makes you more interesting.

I have a feeling I want to get to know you a little better.

So Katy tell us about yourself. We can leave your affiliations to the end. Perhaps you could start with your childhood, parents, schools, mentors and ideologies.

I have a feeling you are an intelligent woman, probably with a humanities degree.

Please ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not me who needs to lighten up.</p>
<p>Being dishonest, bigotted and ignorant is not the way to conduct yourself. </p>
<p>But it makes you more interesting.</p>
<p>I have a feeling I want to get to know you a little better.</p>
<p>So Katy tell us about yourself. We can leave your affiliations to the end. Perhaps you could start with your childhood, parents, schools, mentors and ideologies.</p>
<p>I have a feeling you are an intelligent woman, probably with a humanities degree.</p>
<p>Please &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30059</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, lighten up. I was only joking. Everyone knows I&#039;m Old Peculiar. 

If I was going to disguise myself, would I pick a name that was so similar?

I&#039;ve got about four aliases but everyone knows it&#039;s me. My real name&#039;s Katy. Bet you didn&#039;t know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, lighten up. I was only joking. Everyone knows I&#8217;m Old Peculiar. </p>
<p>If I was going to disguise myself, would I pick a name that was so similar?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got about four aliases but everyone knows it&#8217;s me. My real name&#8217;s Katy. Bet you didn&#8217;t know that.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30056</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anyway, thatâ€™s Old Peculier, not me.&quot;

I respected you for your honesty - although pitied you for your bigotry.

To claim not to be Old Peculiar is beyond the pale. You didn&#039;t have to. Your bigotry has come to be expected - so it wasn&#039;t necessary.

Old Peculiar and Old Pickler link back to the Blogs in the Mary Jackson category.

It was silly and dishonest. 

I feel betrayed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anyway, thatâ€™s Old Peculier, not me.&#8221;</p>
<p>I respected you for your honesty &#8211; although pitied you for your bigotry.</p>
<p>To claim not to be Old Peculiar is beyond the pale. You didn&#8217;t have to. Your bigotry has come to be expected &#8211; so it wasn&#8217;t necessary.</p>
<p>Old Peculiar and Old Pickler link back to the Blogs in the Mary Jackson category.</p>
<p>It was silly and dishonest. </p>
<p>I feel betrayed.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30054</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It wasnâ€™t â€œtheirâ€ land in the first place.&quot;

What a foolish thing to say. Its almost akin to saying that your house isn&#039;t your own, but belongs to the crown. And had Hitler got his way it would then have been owned by him.

As if the Ottomans or then the British owned the land and the people.

&quot;Donâ€™t be afraid.&quot;

No don&#039;t be afraid. But do have the courage to tackle OP on her bigotry. 

To leave some of her racist rantings littering these blogs is to have us all smeared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It wasnâ€™t â€œtheirâ€ land in the first place.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a foolish thing to say. Its almost akin to saying that your house isn&#8217;t your own, but belongs to the crown. And had Hitler got his way it would then have been owned by him.</p>
<p>As if the Ottomans or then the British owned the land and the people.</p>
<p>&#8220;Donâ€™t be afraid.&#8221;</p>
<p>No don&#8217;t be afraid. But do have the courage to tackle OP on her bigotry. </p>
<p>To leave some of her racist rantings littering these blogs is to have us all smeared.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30052</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m afriad to say that OP is right ...&lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t be afraid. Shout it from the roof tops. It isn&#039;t the first time and won&#039;t be the last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Iâ€™m afriad to say that OP is right &#8230;</i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be afraid. Shout it from the roof tops. It isn&#8217;t the first time and won&#8217;t be the last.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30050</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A people are expelled from their land&lt;/i&gt;

It wasn&#039;t &quot;their&quot; land in the first place. It belonged to the Ottomans for 200 years. Then it passed to, among others, the British. Jews bought this mainly barren land from absentee landlords at inflated prices. Jewish immigration brought increasing prosperity, which is why more Arabs moved in.

Most of the Arabs called &quot;Palestinians&quot; now living in the area that was once occupied by Jordan (the West Bank) and the area that was once occupied by Egypt (the Gaza strip) are descendants of very recent immigrants. There are lots of them because they have huge families, despite being &quot;poor&quot; (hardly poor compared to sub-Saharan Africa and very rich indeed for people who don&#039;t work).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A people are expelled from their land</i></p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t &#8220;their&#8221; land in the first place. It belonged to the Ottomans for 200 years. Then it passed to, among others, the British. Jews bought this mainly barren land from absentee landlords at inflated prices. Jewish immigration brought increasing prosperity, which is why more Arabs moved in.</p>
<p>Most of the Arabs called &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; now living in the area that was once occupied by Jordan (the West Bank) and the area that was once occupied by Egypt (the Gaza strip) are descendants of very recent immigrants. There are lots of them because they have huge families, despite being &#8220;poor&#8221; (hardly poor compared to sub-Saharan Africa and very rich indeed for people who don&#8217;t work).</p>
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		<title>By: Saracen</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30032</link>
		<dc:creator>Saracen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to break it to everybody, but those scenes are the realities across the Palestinian territories. You have to get a basic view of the situation going right back. A people are expelled from their land, a bunch of foregners take over and set up shop. The result is that those people will hate the occupier forever. I&#039;ve spoken to many Palestinians who say it&#039;s the same in government-run schools too (pre-Hamas). People have to wisen up to a simple reality: though some of those who claimed to speak for the Palestinian people went ahead with signing treaties and the like, they do not represent the whole feeling on the ground. And even those who fully accept the two-state solution say they do so out of pragmatism rather than believing this is justice. It&#039;s messy out there, but it&#039;s all compounded by us outsiders thinking it&#039;s just a bunch of Arabs and Jews, who&#039;ve been there for eons, fighting one another; it&#039;s just not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to break it to everybody, but those scenes are the realities across the Palestinian territories. You have to get a basic view of the situation going right back. A people are expelled from their land, a bunch of foregners take over and set up shop. The result is that those people will hate the occupier forever. I&#8217;ve spoken to many Palestinians who say it&#8217;s the same in government-run schools too (pre-Hamas). People have to wisen up to a simple reality: though some of those who claimed to speak for the Palestinian people went ahead with signing treaties and the like, they do not represent the whole feeling on the ground. And even those who fully accept the two-state solution say they do so out of pragmatism rather than believing this is justice. It&#8217;s messy out there, but it&#8217;s all compounded by us outsiders thinking it&#8217;s just a bunch of Arabs and Jews, who&#8217;ve been there for eons, fighting one another; it&#8217;s just not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Moloney</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/677#comment-30004</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Moloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OP: &lt;i&gt;Thatâ€™s where youâ€™re wrong&lt;/i&gt;

Well, OK, ignored and also scorned too; the two weapons of the HP inquistion...

&lt;i&gt;Anyway, thatâ€™s Old Peculier, not me.&lt;/i&gt;

Is there really two of you or is this just a split-personality thing?

P.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OP: <i>Thatâ€™s where youâ€™re wrong</i></p>
<p>Well, OK, ignored and also scorned too; the two weapons of the HP inquistion&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Anyway, thatâ€™s Old Peculier, not me.</i></p>
<p>Is there really two of you or is this just a split-personality thing?</p>
<p>P.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny you are of course right regarding the intractable way that Hamas has stitched itself into Palestinan society. I think that it is good that we inspect and discuss this while both branding them terrorist, a political party and leaders all at once.

I&#039;m afriad to say that OP is right to point that John Ware never said &quot;Hands up who wants to be a Mujahadin?&quot; which detracts from Osama Saeed claim of &quot;Wareâ€™s [sicking] goading of young boys&quot;. 

For instance was the Times &quot;goading&quot; UK Muslims by commissioning a survey of opinons?

I simply believe that John Ware turned over a stone and showed some ugly things underneath. No one is suprised and no one really expected to see any different. But that doesn&#039;t mean that John was wrong or evil to have done so. It is just what investigative journalism is all about.

As for &quot;bad BBC&quot; and doing &quot;their reputation for bias no good&quot;, well their remit for diversity translates into them occasionally airing programmes like this.

It will be very interesting to see how this pans out, as Interpal have brought the lawyers out against Paranoma. This will result in yet more light being thrown onto the subject, which I believe is a good thing. I&#039;m sure that Osama Saeed would disagree.

TFI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny you are of course right regarding the intractable way that Hamas has stitched itself into Palestinan society. I think that it is good that we inspect and discuss this while both branding them terrorist, a political party and leaders all at once.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afriad to say that OP is right to point that John Ware never said &#8220;Hands up who wants to be a Mujahadin?&#8221; which detracts from Osama Saeed claim of &#8220;Wareâ€™s [sicking] goading of young boys&#8221;. </p>
<p>For instance was the Times &#8220;goading&#8221; UK Muslims by commissioning a survey of opinons?</p>
<p>I simply believe that John Ware turned over a stone and showed some ugly things underneath. No one is suprised and no one really expected to see any different. But that doesn&#8217;t mean that John was wrong or evil to have done so. It is just what investigative journalism is all about.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;bad BBC&#8221; and doing &#8220;their reputation for bias no good&#8221;, well their remit for diversity translates into them occasionally airing programmes like this.</p>
<p>It will be very interesting to see how this pans out, as Interpal have brought the lawyers out against Paranoma. This will result in yet more light being thrown onto the subject, which I believe is a good thing. I&#8217;m sure that Osama Saeed would disagree.</p>
<p>TFI</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And nobodyâ€™s yet acknowledged that there is anything wrong with little kids being told that the best thing they can do is blow themselves up for Allah.&quot;

can&#039;t you read Old P or are you selective in which posts you choose to respond to&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And nobodyâ€™s yet acknowledged that there is anything wrong with little kids being told that the best thing they can do is blow themselves up for Allah.&#8221;</p>
<p>can&#8217;t you read Old P or are you selective in which posts you choose to respond to&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha  Oli - i can see plenty of reasons for slating a &#039;rail&#039; company. not enough slating of rail companies done in my opinion - have you ever been on a train? oh everyone blames everyone else. who suffers&gt; the customer. yeah we&#039;re all out looking for someon to blame -just like rail companies look for someone else to blame! 

:-) 

p.s. if you got off that rubbish Blogger platform and on to wordpress you might find other ways to deal with spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha  Oli &#8211; i can see plenty of reasons for slating a &#8216;rail&#8217; company. not enough slating of rail companies done in my opinion &#8211; have you ever been on a train? oh everyone blames everyone else. who suffers&gt; the customer. yeah we&#8217;re all out looking for someon to blame -just like rail companies look for someone else to blame! </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>p.s. if you got off that rubbish Blogger platform and on to wordpress you might find other ways to deal with spam.</p>
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		<title>By: AsifB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AsifB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah basing a dislike of Panorama becuase they once slagged off your misunderstood fat cat privatiser bosses, is really funny and like totally justifies use of words like bint.  Go Oli go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah basing a dislike of Panorama becuase they once slagged off your misunderstood fat cat privatiser bosses, is really funny and like totally justifies use of words like bint.  Go Oli go.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oli - &lt;i&gt;Panorama is pretty bad at taking a one sided view of things, most likely because the researchers will be given a view point and told to back it up, their episode on the iraq war was a fantastic propagana story.&lt;/i&gt;

That is certainly what it seemed like here. Funny blog by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oli &#8211; <i>Panorama is pretty bad at taking a one sided view of things, most likely because the researchers will be given a view point and told to back it up, their episode on the iraq war was a fantastic propagana story.</i></p>
<p>That is certainly what it seemed like here. Funny blog by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Bijna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bijna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best part of the Interpal is all those green flags, showing the hoax the Palestinians really are.</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather he just did a documentary solely exposing those fascist and melevolent Muslim Brotherhood creeps who organised the IslamExpo charade and weave their communalist bigot agenda in the weasel words of multiculturalism and human rights, thus shitting in the pool in which we all swim. Those sly scumbags and two faced hypocrites need all the investigation and scrutiny they can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather he just did a documentary solely exposing those fascist and melevolent Muslim Brotherhood creeps who organised the IslamExpo charade and weave their communalist bigot agenda in the weasel words of multiculturalism and human rights, thus shitting in the pool in which we all swim. Those sly scumbags and two faced hypocrites need all the investigation and scrutiny they can get.</p>
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