BJP leaders implicated in mosque’s destruction


by Rumbold
25th November, 2009 at 12:29 pm    

Two senior figures in the BJP, the Hindu nationalist party that forms the main opposition in India, have been condemned in a leaked report over the destruction of the Ayodhya mosque in 1992. The mosque was said to have been on the site of the birthplace of Lord Ram, and the destruction of the mosque helped raise the profile of the BJP and increase communal tensions.

L. K. Advani, the current parliamentary BJP leader, and Atal Behari Vajpayee, the former leader and prime minister, are the two most senior BJP figures named in the report. Yet given the lamentable record of the Indian courts at charging politicians with starting/aiding communal violence, I doubt that anything will happen to them. Both BJP (Modi) and Congress (1984) politicians have avoided any sanction over their past behaviour, and this report too is likely to have little legal impact.


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  1. Reza — on 25th November, 2009 at 4:00 am  

    On these pages I've been repeatedly told that India was a shining example of an harmonious, multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multicultural society.

    One that Britain should aspire to.

    And when I've pointed out that inter-community violence is an inevitable part of 'multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multicultural societies', I've been accused of being a 'racist'.

    Do they read the Daily Mail in India? Has it corrupted their harmonious little minds?

  2. Jai — on 25th November, 2009 at 4:50 am  

    “Reza”,

    Do you deny making the following statement ?

    So that’s your answer isn’t it? Race replacement. Only when the indigenous British become a minority can your bitter, revenge-motivated Utopia come to pass. Then you’ll get even. For colonialism. For the fact that the culture and values of your parents or grandparents weren’t the ones that created this advanced society. For the fact that this country is a far better place to live than the backward sh*t-holes most of your ancestors hail from. For all the sins of ‘whitey’. You’ll get even.

    (Source: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6505#co… )

    Do you deny the fact that, during the course of your participation on this website, you have used recognisable BNP/white supremacist terminology such as “race replacement”, “assimilable”, “unassimilable”, “host nation”, “client state”, “parasite”, “multi-culti”, “alien minority culture”, and “alien minority religion” ?

    Do you deny the fact that you have accused commenters of repeatedly calling you a “Nazi” and that you have claimed that these alleged incidents started soon after you begin participating on this website ?

    Do you deny the fact that you have accused commenters of deliberately making offensive remarks about your parents and that you have claimed to “remember” these alleged incidents ?

    Do you deny the fact that a full search of this website's archives confirms that, in reality, none of the alleged incidents referred to in the previous two questions ever occurred ?

    Do you deny the fact that you have repeatedly refused to provide an answer in response to repeated questions as to whether you were deliberately lying when making the aforementioned two allegations or whether you genuinely “remember” these incidents which never actually occurred ?

  3. Rumbold — on 25th November, 2009 at 4:58 am  

    Reza:

    What are you talking about? Nobody has said that India is free from communal violence. We have been documenting it on this blog for years. History shows that if peopel aren't fighting over religion or race, they are fighting over something else (land, power, women, etc.).

  4. Dalbir — on 25th November, 2009 at 5:00 am  

    On these pages I've been repeatedly told that India was a shining example of an harmonious, multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multicultural society.

    Anyone who has claimed this is a complete moron who either does not know what they are talking about. Or they are purposefully telling porkies and probably sympathise with the RSS/BJP/Congress ostrich (bury head in sand) agenda.

    India = The world's backwardest democracy.

    And when I've pointed out that inter-community violence is an inevitable part of 'multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multicultural societies', I've been accused of being a 'racist'.

    Do they read the Daily Mail in India? Has it corrupted their harmonious little minds?

    I'm sure they have their own ranting and raving negative firebrands over there to keep the ignorant lumps of society plied with poison. Much like the Daily Hate..sorry Mail, the BNP, the NF and others like Captain One Eye “Islam” Hook Man and his ilk.

  5. Binky — on 25th November, 2009 at 5:32 am  

    It's late in the day but is there no way it can be blamed on the BNP or EDL?

    Just wondering

  6. Binky — on 25th November, 2009 at 5:55 am  

    Jai -

    Like it or detest it RACE REPLACEMENT is a fact of life. Whether in Tower Hamlets, Southall, Fiji, Virginia, Melbourne, Hawaii, Aukland, Singapore*, Trinidad or Tibet, it can be seen in lots of places.

    You can travel throughout North America without encountering many Native Americans and I imagine that by 2020 will probably be able to say the same about palefaces in many parts of London.

    * Singapore was inhabited by Malays in 1800.

  7. Jai — on 25th November, 2009 at 7:37 am  

    Rumbold,

    Nobody has said that India is free from communal violence. We have been documenting it on this blog for years.

    Exactly, but like his associate Stephen Gash, “Reza” has a tendency to focus on negative examples, extrapolate them out of all proportion so that they are falsely depicted as the majority or the “norm”, and completely ignore any facts that contradict the twisted narrative he is attempting to promote.

    History shows that if peopel aren't fighting over religion or race, they are fighting over something else (land, power, women, etc.).

    Considering that “Reza” has made the following grossly inaccurate assertions……

    - “Muslims in India haven't assimilated in even a thousand years”;
    - “Pakistan is an ethnically and culturally homogeneous country”;
    - “The Roman Empire made 'interbreeding' illegal”;
    - “Christianity has been in this country [Britain] for [only] a thousand years”;
    - “Islam is indigenous to Iran”;
    - Along with denying that there was any religious justification utilised by the large numbers of 'devout' Christians involved in the Inquisition, the activities of the Conquistadors, 19th century Victorian Evangelists involved in aggressive colonialism in the Indian subcontinent and promoting the wholesale conversion of India's entire population en masse, and numerous members of the slave-owning Confederacy in the American Civil War;
    - And apparently being unaware of the fact that feudal Japan, historically one of the world's most “internally homogeneous” societies, was also one of the most warfare-ridden for a thousand years during the Samurai era;
    - And numerous other examples of historical & factual errors by “Reza”…..

    ….I think it would be safe to say that “Reza's” grasp of global human history is somewhat tenuous.

  8. Dalbir — on 25th November, 2009 at 2:17 pm  

    You can travel throughout North America without encountering many Native Americans and I imagine that by 2020 will probably be able to say the same about palefaces in many parts of London.

    If only! No doubt what pale faces do remain will still be hogging the best jobs in the city and plotting away as they always do. Crafty bastards.

  9. douglas clark — on 25th November, 2009 at 3:07 pm  

    Palefaces.

    Aw Binky, you took me back to an era of Waggon Train, Maverick and the like.

    Are you the last of “The League of Empire Loyalists”?

    I think we should be told.

  10. Refresh — on 25th November, 2009 at 4:10 pm  

    Jai,

    I think its time Sunny put on his black cape and got the wooden stakes out.

    Reza needs to be put out of his misery.

  11. Michael Knight — on 25th November, 2009 at 4:12 pm  

    Well this report has only reiterated what we already knew about the Hindu right wing parties and their allies. But it's interesting to see that the Congress government of the day at the centre led by Narasimha Rao has been cleared completely. This despite the many voices, even from within his cabinet, which called for him to do more to stop the build up of the crowds in Ayodya.

    If Advani and Vajpayee can be implicated for effectively standing by and not doing enough to stop the mobs tearing down the mosque then the Congress government of the day is equally as responsible for their inaction over and the subsequent Hindu-Moslem riots which killed thousands.

  12. Binky — on 26th November, 2009 at 12:21 am  

    Actually, in conversation I always stick up for India compared to far-more-successful China, having travelled throughout both at 1-star and 2-star standard.

    Corrupt, mismanaged, smelly and foully poverty-stricken though it is, India is a noisy and genuine democracy. Just read the Indian press to confirm this; there is NO equivalent in China or even Putin's present-day Russia.

    Want to start a nutty new religion like Falung Gong in India? No problem; a State minister will come along to be garlanded on the day you open your temple. Or start a political party or an opinionated publication? Again no problem.

    The worst realities of India are:

    * The appalling poverty than anyone not travelling 5-star simply cannot avoid. Hence ghastly stuff like the Naxalite insurgency and the urban poverty of 'Slumdog Millionaire.'

    * The dire reality that the British departure put people like Kashmiris and Nagas under Delhi's rule.

    Douglas Clark is right about the term 'paleface' but there is no better one. I only wish I knew to whom is attributed the expression “White Man speak with Forked Tongue.” Was it from the days of King Philip's War or the invention of a gifted Hollywood speechwriter?

  13. mangles — on 26th November, 2009 at 5:52 am  

    WTF Can we get back to this dastardly report and the fact that it doesn't matter how many minorities die in India, the state and its apparatus will continue to be inactive, laim and eunuch bystanders to get them justice.

    That's what I resent about the 2008 November 26 Mumbai incident we should be marking today. As vile and cowardly as it was, the majority of the innocent victims were wealthy Hindus and as a result the Indian Government has left no stone unturned to ensure there is an international momentum to get them justice. Whereas the 1984 Anti-Sikh Pogroms, Babri Masjid debacle, Gujarat Anti-Muslim riots stand no chance of getting justice to their poor victims. Its taken nearly two centuries for this bloody report!

    On a separate note, I still hope to see an independent inquiry about the 1984 Operation Blue Star, as the true story of 1984 still needs to be told. An army operation which denied the world and domestic press to report its excesses, which brought Punjab under seige, oversaw the muder of tens of thousands and led to the destruction of Sikh heritage sites and continued loss of Sikh reference library material which the Govt of India still has not returned to the Sikhs.

    Its the same b%*&%$%s implicated in this report who write in their biographies that whilst in opposition they forced the hand of the Congress Government to launch Operation Blue Star, and then basked in the anti-Sikh rhetoric that followed.

    While the state and its stooges continue to falsely attribute all violent crime in the state before that military and political operation on Sikh aspirations, I would like to see a comparison year on year of what level of murder and dacoity took place in the Punjab state in the preceding years, and how much it really increased through 'political' activities. I'm more than sure in the same vein that violence was stirred up and catalysed after the rise in popularity of the Sikh freedom vote during the post-1984 period, similarly violence was instigated and attributed by the state to Sikhs in order to create a sense of hatred against the Sikh minority amongst the masses, in order to reign in the Hindu vote before the upcoming elections later that year.

    Rab rakha!

  14. Rumbold — on 26th November, 2009 at 8:13 am  

    Mangles:

    I think that is wrong. The reason for the swifter attempts at justice is not because the victims were Hindus, but the fact the important Indians were not involved in the attacks (i.e. were not amongst the attackers).

  15. persephone — on 26th November, 2009 at 2:17 pm  

    “I think its time Sunny put on his black cape and got the wooden stakes out. Reza needs to be put out of his misery.”

    I suppose using garlic would be out of the question as Reza would only think it insulted his assimilation and provoke an outburst of how it was yet another sign of immigration & multi- culturalism gone too far

  16. mangles — on 27th November, 2009 at 9:15 am  

    Rumbold that is not an alternative reason but an additional reason for at last an acceptable response from the Government against terrorism.

    Although the powers that be did ensure that the Police head who was investigating the Hindutva fascists who were bombing the country using Sikh and Muslim issues as an affront was also exterminated as collateral damage. Its ironic that nothing has since been heard of that investigation which was making real headway into the links of the Bajang Dal, RSS and BJP with international terrorism until the Mumabi attacks.

    Rab rakha!

  17. Desi Expat — on 27th November, 2009 at 4:43 pm  

    Mangles

    The difference about last years mumbai attacks was that it was all played out in front of the media in a way that has not happened before in India. Plus the attacks on westerners ensured that it got a lot more international coverage than any of the prior terrorist attacks that took place got.

    Many of the victims, especially at the attacks at VT were just poor indians (including muslims) and not just 'wealthy hindus'. I really don't think there was any conspiracy for the death of the police inspector, this was alleged more by those who were trying to maintain that the attacks were not from Pakistan, and doesn't really chime with the evidence.

    And in terms of seeking justice for the mumbai attacks, the Indian govt hasn't really done that much. However, i guess as the attacks originated in Pakistan, short of going to war , there's not a lot the govt can really do.

    I don't think it's just when the victims are from the minority communities that the govt does nothing, the govt doesn't do anything even when the victims are hindus. Ultimately, most of the politicians are only concerned with their own families , and those who can affect them financially.

  18. Stephen Gash — on 29th November, 2009 at 12:05 pm  

    Jai quote: “Exactly, but like his associate Stephen Gash, “Reza” has a tendency to focus on negative examples, extrapolate them out of all proportion so that they are falsely depicted as the majority or the “norm”, and completely ignore any facts that contradict the twisted narrative he is attempting to promote.”
    Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan, etc. Christians being persecuted. No moderate Muslims parading through streets in thousands saying “Not in Muslims' name”.
    Malaysia, Hindu demonstrations against religious persecution are brutally suppressed. No moderate Muslims demonstrating saying “Not in Muslims' name”. And so it repeats itself.
    What is there to extrapolate?

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