Regarding your other references, history is constantly re-written. Historians have their own agendas every bit as much as I do and every bit as the Taqiyya merchants in the mosques do.

I am just more knowledgable than most non-Muslims

Are you also claiming that you are more knowledgeable about Islam and Muslims in relation to the Indian subcontinent than William Dalrymple is ?

Hindus tell me the Taj Mahal is in fact a Hindu temple that was converted into a mausoleum.

There are over 800 million Hindus in the world, the vast majority of them in India itself. Based on spurious alleged evidence which actually has no credibility amongst respected mainstream Indian academics, a very tiny fraction of them believe what you have stated. Perhaps you are unaware that the rest of the global Hindu population does not, and within India, the type of Hindus you are referring to are ridiculed as a laughing stock and a lunatic fringe group by the majority of that country's Hindu population.

I am not extreme, I am just more knowledgable than most non-Muslims.

Perhaps you should read the following very recent article. Bear in mind that the description of events isn't “Muslim propaganda” or a politically-correct “whitewashing & rewriting of history to appease Muslims” — this is the established 300-year-old Sikh narrative, and you are welcome to check the article's contents with the Sikh authorities at the Akal Takht in Amritsar if you believe any of it has been distorted or embellished.

http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6688

Are you claiming that you are more knowledgeable about Islam and Muslims than Guru Gobind Singh was ?

The diversity of the Borough has enriched us all, with people from all backgrounds playing an important and essential contribution to all our daily lives as workers in various sectors delivering key public services, providing employment opportunities for many and supporting others throughout our communities.

Brent is proud of its long traditions of welcoming those who escaped from the horrors of Nazism and the Concentration Camps in the 30’s and 40’s. We recognize the important contribution to our NHS and public transport services by members of the Afro-Carribean communities. We are proud that we provided a place of safety for the Ugandan and Kenyan Asians and later on for many others escaping the ravages of war and destruction in Dharfur, Somalia and elsewhere.

The BNP fascists seek a scapegoat to blame others for the problems arising from the present day economic crises . Do not blame the weak and innocent. We say blame those who caused the crises not those who are its victims.

To seek a mythical Wembley of pure white aryians is nonsense. Wembley, like Brent, has a long standing record of Jews, Muslims, Hindhus, Christians, Buddhists, Gays, Women, trade unionists, young and old people playing a key part in our Borough, and long may it do so.

We will not allow the fascists and racists to divide us and they will be opposed where ever they are. That is why we will stand together with our Muslim brothers and sisters at Harrow Central Mosque on Dec 13th in solidarity with all against racism. We urge your readers to join us there and show their abhorrence at this latest insult to our community.

Brent and Harrow Unite Against Fascism

Islamophobia – bigotry against Muslims – is
as unacceptable as any other form of
racism. Its aim is to divide us by making
scapegoats of one community as the Nazis
did with the Jews in the 1930s. Today they
threaten the mosque, tomorrow it could be a
synagogue, temple or church. Today they
threaten Muslims, tomorrow it could be
Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, blacks, gays, travellers
or any other minority.

Fascists have been beaten before by
people standing united against them: at
Cable Street in the 1930s, Lewisham in the
1970s and in Derbyshire this Summer where
black and white, young and old, Hindu,
Christian, Muslim and Jew, gay and straight
all came together to oppose the BNP’s
fascist rally. In September we made it clear
that these thugs are not welcome in
Harrow. Now we must make Harrow a
No-Go Zone for Nazis.

Please sign the statement of support for Harrow Central Mosque
Join the demonstration on Sunday December 13th
We are black, white, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh and Jew
Assemble 12 noon Sunday December 13th on the wide pavement
outside Harrow Civic Centre opposite the Central Mosque
Called by UAF Brent & Harrow ● uafbrentandharrow@googlemail.com and National UAF:
unite@ucu.org.uk ● http://www.uaf.org.uk ● PO Box 36871 London WC1X 9XT ● 020 7801 2782 there are many, many more of us th

How is it that some people are able to spend so much of their lives in crank political agitation instead of having to go out to work?

How is it done?

Nope. I don't trust 'em any more than I do the Tories.

Some Muslims actively kill and maim to plough the furrow for the monoculture. Others sit around munching popcorn while homosexuals dangle from cranes and women are stoned to death, muttering “Allah u akbar” and “Oooh, I'm pleased I'm not one of those radicals. It looks very tiring”.

Regarding your other references, history is constantly re-written. One person who has been expunged from the historical record is Henri Pirenne who translated Arab Muslims texts which described the wonder of the Muslims at the magnificent cities of Spain when they arrived.

Historians have their own agendas every bit as much as I do and every bit as the Taqiyya merchants in the mosques do.

Modern history would have us believe that Islam was full of marvellous science and knowledge. Where did it all go wrong? Benazir Bhutto blamed the Crusades, but they never reached the heart of Islam, Mecca, nor Iran nor Pakistan. Some historians blame Arabic writing for Islam's lapse in science. If this is to be believed then it is pointless teaching Arabs science today because the writing isn't up to it.

Any excuse is made for the loss of the mythical “Golden Age” except of course the obvious one that Muslims were to blame (some might say Islam).

Hindus tell me the Taj Mahal is in fact a Hindu temple that was converted into a mausoleum.

I'm more concerned with today and what is happening now, and that is the Islamisation of my country and continent. I want to stop it.

It will be stopped.

We can go round in circles if you want. Demanding I read articles that support the notion of moderate Muslims is akin to saying Islam is a religion of peace. You expect me to wonder off nodding my head in sage agreement while the evidence of what is happening around the world shows the exact opposite.

Time for a bit of moral relativism, don't you think?

Free speech to me means freedom to criticise government, religion, individuals, ideas, in other words the freedom to be sceptical.

I believe people should be able to have monogamous marriage, including gays, but I disapprove of promiscuity and hanging around public bogs for a bang.

I believe in democracy. I don't believe in mass migration as it is a symptom of failure. I don't believe in violence as a first resort as the UAF and Antifa do (being stinking commies).

I believe in mixed economies and the protection of skills. I am not a free-marketeer nor a globalist.

I don't believe in moderate Muslims any more than I believe in moderate Nazis or commies.

I don't want any more immigration from Muslim countries. England is 50,000 square miles in area and the most populated country in Europe. I don't want England to be in the UK or the EU because both of those organisations want to bust up England and are hellbent on destroying English culture and traditions, for no good reason.

I'm accused here of not answering questions when I have. I'm accused of cutting and pasting, when I type my answers. However, nobody answers my questions such as “Is stoning a woman to death for being raped, left wing or right wing?”

The Guardian censored many of my comments which was disgraceful, after having named me in an article. I don't usually use profane language in comments unless it is used against me.

Nobody has answered my accusations about moderate Muslims allowing (surreptitiously encouraging) mosques to be radicalised. This is because they are not radicalised they are teaching Islam, just as does every mosque in the Middle East, Pakistan and every single Muslim country.

I am not extreme, I am just more knowledgable than most non-Muslims. I'm also far less of a hypocrite than most posting here and certainly less of a hypocrite than those corrupting parliament.

I am openly an English nationalist. However, anyone in the English nationalist movement will tell you where I stand on race and it isn't where you seek to stand me. I don't support the Anglo-Saxon notion of Englishness.

I am heartily disliked by the BNP, NF and Stormfront. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.

If you want to clutch the straw of racist accusations then float off and drown.

When was the last time you stood against the BNP in elections?

I have a heart filled with hatred for totalitarian regimes. Islam is the nastiest form of totalitarianism and I hate it even more than communism and Nazism. These regimes are are indisputably murderous and all require their practitioners in order to function.

It is no surprise that both communists and Nazis train with jihadists. The former because they hate the West and the latter because they hate Jews.

If you and others (like Maryam Namazie) can't get your heads around the fact that we despise Islam and vehemently oppose its proponents, regardless of their races, then you have the problem, not we.

Our explanation of our view on moderate Muslims is there for all to read by clicking the tab on the SIOE site.

I'm not especially bothered about what Muslims say, I care about what they do and don't do. What they do when in control is unimpressively uncivilised.

If moderate Muslims cannot halt sharia and the sickening hubris of the so-called “radicals” then they are useless.

We are not prepared to see their uselessness bring about the Islamisation of Europe. They have had their chance and signally failed. Twenty years Walthamstowe mosque was “radicalised” which equates to the utter uselessness of self-styled moderates.

Half of mosques in England (we think all) are reportedly radicalised, so we are not prepared to leave it to moderate-Muslims to solve the problems inherent in Islam.

We'll trust ourselves thanks. We are villified for our hard stance, but there are plenty of other organisations yacking about moderate Muslims. It hasn't helped those concerned with promoting the notion of moderate Muslims has it? Salman Rushdie, Geert Wilders, Wafa Sultan etc etc.

Moderate Muslims have brought criticism on themselves and they are not trusted by non-Muslims who have bothered to find out what is happening in the world.

I fail to see why mosque -”radicalisation” is my fault, or why I should be branded a fascist for pointing out whose fault it is. I don't trust the Harrow mosque leaders, pure and simple. I've explained why and we will be posting further reasons on the SIOE site.

Islamophobia – bigotry against Muslims – is
as unacceptable as any other form of
racism. Its aim is to divide us by making
scapegoats of one community as the Nazis
did with the Jews in the 1930s. Today they
threaten the mosque, tomorrow it could be a
synagogue, temple or church. Today they
threaten Muslims, tomorrow it could be
Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, blacks, gays, travellers
or any other minority.

Fascists have been beaten before by
people standing united against them: at
Cable Street in the 1930s, Lewisham in the
1970s and in Derbyshire this Summer where
black and white, young and old, Hindu,
Christian, Muslim and Jew, gay and straight
all came together to oppose the BNP’s
fascist rally. In September we made it clear
that these thugs are not welcome in
Harrow. Now we must make Harrow a
No-Go Zone for Nazis.

Please sign the statement of support for Harrow Central Mosque
Join the demonstration on Sunday December 13th
We are black, white, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh and Jew
Assemble 12 noon Sunday December 13th on the wide pavement
outside Harrow Civic Centre opposite the Central Mosque
Called by UAF Brent & Harrow ● uafbrentandharrow@googlemail.com and National UAF:
unite@ucu.org.uk ● http://www.uaf.org.uk ● PO Box 36871 London WC1X 9XT ● 020 7801 2782 there are

Stephen Gash,

Further to my previous comment above, I’ll make it even easier for you, and refer you to William Dalrymple as another source of credible information, as Mr Dalrymple is an internationally renowned British historian who is widely regarded as one of the West’s leading authorities on the history of Muslims in the Indian subcontinent.

You should read his books White Mughals and The Last Mughal. Both are easily available via retailers such as Waterstones and Amazon; I think you’ll find the first book in particular to be enlightening. His works are based on hundreds of authenticated Indian and British historical references. (I also provided some extracts from The Last Mughal in Part 1 of my article mentioned above). Presumably you would agree that neither Mr Dalrymple nor the historical British authorities involved in overseas trading activities and various colonial enterprises would have been practising “taqiyya” or “kitman”.

Mr Dalrymple also has his own website which contains links to dozens of published articles he has written. See: http://www.williamdalrymple.uk.com/Pages/Links…. . I suggest you take some time out to read through them, if you are indeed as serious about wishing to base your opinions on Muslims on informed facts and “flawless logic” as you claim.

I recommend you start with the following :

- http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,85648…
- http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts…

I see that you are still viewing this website but have refused to respond to my previous questions. Be advised that this current thread has a fairly influential readership and your ongoing deliberate avoidance of the matter is being noticed in numerous quarters.

Once again, it is imperative that you read the following:

“Muslims, Modernity and the West: The Great Deception”:
Part 1: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6127
Part 2: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6149

Guru Gobind Singh and his stance towards Muslims: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6587#co…

I trust that your new SIOE article “No moderate Muslims” is not based on the false premise that, for example, the Sufi singer Rahat Fateh Ali Khan (who recently held a series of extremely successful concerts in conjunction with the Birmingham Symphony Orchestra at several major venues in Britain, including the Royal Festival Hall in London) and his world-famous late uncle Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan have acted as deliberate or unwitting vehicles for “taqiyya” and “kitman”.

Bear in mind the fact that both of these individuals, along with a number of their historical role models, are far more respected and influential amongst huge numbers of South Asians worldwide (not just Muslims but also people from multiple other backgrounds) than extremist fanatics like Anjem Choudary, Al Muhajiroun, or Hizb ut-Tahrir.

I also trust that you are not making the same allegation of “taqiyya” and “kitman” in relation to, for example, the Sikh Gurus – especially Guru Gobind Singh – or individuals such as Bulleh Shah, Nizamuddin Auliya, Baba Farid, Lal Shahbaz Qalandar, Mian Mir, the Mughal Emperors Akbar, Shah Jahan and Bahadur Shah Zafar II, the Mughal Prince Dara Shukoh, or Mirza Ghalib.

If your ongoing attitude of “there are no moderate Muslims” (and the associated SIOE article) is based on an agenda to promote this as “the truth about Muslims” despite actually being fully aware of all the matters discussed above, then it raises extremely disturbing questions about your own motivations and the reasons that you are deliberately ignoring the vast amount of authenticated factual and historical information with contradicts the premise you are attempting to promote, especially in relation to Muslims associated with the Indian subcontinent.

However, if your stance has been based on the fact that you did not previously know about the matters discussed above, then it would be worthwhile for you to take some time out and thoroughly familiarise yourself with the considerable amount of information provided there.

Funnily enough, I intend to walk the pavements delivering leaflets on behalf of this chap.

http://www.osamasaeed.org/

Which is it?

As a bye-stander in all of this, I'd like to know?

If you started to attack Scottish folk, whether they were Muslim or not, then you'd get pasted in the face, or summat. For they are our Muslims, not your Muslims, and we will vote for them, whether or not they are Muslims, but because they represent political parties that are not racist, nor in favour of some sort of 'Ummah'

On this thread as well as many times before, I have argued that the Old Testament provides similar punishments for simple transgressions. It condones killing someone for working on the Sabaath – allows parents to sell their children in servitude.

And world over fanatics have used religion and culture to justify their heinous acts. Killing in the name of God is not a monopoly of those who follow Islam – it is a widely used excuse and been so for centuries.

In your admission, most muslims are moderate and have no extremist tendencies. Why is it so different from Hindus or Christians or jews? Most of us do not follow the literal meaning of our religious texts or follow our cultural norms blindly – we choose what we think is right.

And Muslims are no different. Then why pick and choose Islam only? There is no logical reason except for that some idiotic fanatics are using selective understanding of Islam and brainwashing people.

The lack freedom to even study different subjects let alone develop critical thinking is such an alien concept to many Muslim children globally. No hope, no aspiration – that usually equates to fertile ground for extremist recruiters. And they catch them young.

So does the religion have anything to do with this? Or is it some twisted fucks are using the lack of hope and basic human dignity to further their own whacko fanatic agenda.