The murderers considered that the colour / religion / social status of a person was “inferior” to them and this was the motivation for their murderous actions. Essentially they are “Racial Supremiscists”.

In some instances, they killed their daughter because they believed their group were genetically/racially superior to the group of the man which their daughter was associated with, wished to marry, was having a relationship with.

But in other instances they killed a man because he was having a relationship with their daughter. Several clear instances include the murder of an Albanian man and an Indian man.

The murderers were charged with “straight” murder, when in actual fact they should have been charged with “racially motivated” murder. However the British judiciary is somewhat “colour blind” when it comes to charges of “racially motivated” and these are most commonly levelled only at “white” criminals.

These people are nothing less than the worst sort of RACISTS and this should be highlighted.

How about;

“Race Hatred Motivated Murder”
“Race Hatred Associaton Murder”
“Ethnic Supremicist Murder”

?

Although, when applications are made for spouses’ visas does it not appear weird to the people supplying them that an educated woman in the UK would choose to marry an illiterate man from a village with whom she’s unlikely to have anything in common, maybe some women would, I don’t know for sure. Maybe, there needs to be a better system of vetting applications. As it is, the parents infringe their children’s rights, by not allowing them to marry a partner of their choice, so maybe some would welcome a drastic change, because let’s be honest the kids cannot and will not stand up against these practices and look what happens when they do.

People are behaving as if they’re still in the pind (village) back home. Repercussions for carryign out such acts, such as life imprisonment don’t appear to deter them, so maybe something which will directly inhibit their actions needs to be done.

Actually Leon, the questions were to Mr. Obvious. The moral of the story is that nothing is too obvious that cannot be repeated.

however it’s not easy to do what you suggest – “As far as I can see the only way to stop this is not to allow marriage partners from villages into the UK”. ah and how do you do that? who’s going to say x can’t marry y? how is that implemented without infringing people’s rights to marry whom they choose?

These are, again, very tribal and non-islamic practices, Mirpuris being Muslims of course, as the caste system is not valid in Islam and neither is it recommended that you only marry your cousins. As a Muslim you are, theoretically, free to marry any other Muslim from any background, race, so in this case the woman was perfectly within her rights, Islamically, to marry her Afghani fiancee,etc.

The problem is further compounded by the fact that when these usually illiterate cousins/marriage partners male or female arrive from back home they continue these practices with their offspring because they themselves have not been educated and generally have not integrated with the society as a whole.

I am aware that this does exist in the other communities too, but if I am being unfair then maybe statistics need to be produced on which section of the community are conducting such acts, not to victimise them but to identify specifically where the problem exists and why.

As far as I can see the only way to stop this is not to allow marriage partners from villages into the UK, once it’s known amongst the community that they’re not able to run back home to arrange these marriages, the power to do so and kill as a result of it, will no longer exist, possibly?

Shooting down a plane to stop a Sept 11 type attack and killing those on board wouldn’t be murder in the eyes of the law (as I understand it).

But is it obvious why the sky is blue?

” Killing innocent human beings is wrong whatever the reason”

What if a plane is hijacked in the air? Would you shoot it to prevent another 9/11?

The list of reading material on WLUML is excellent:

http://www.wluml.org/english/publistheme.shtml?cmd23=c-1-Violence%20against%20women

Extending Nader’s theoretical framework on hegemonic discourse, this paper demonstrates the androcentricity inherent in these views. When Arab village women’s gossip creates the climate in which the murder of a young woman is inevitable, a feminist anthropological perspective addressing the androcentric hegemonic discourse on aggression and human rights, however sensitive to multiple voices, requires challenging the assumption that aggression is eufunctional because tradition, cohesion, and stability are inherently positive.

The stuff here is slightly less intense bullshit.

I can do other stuff too, walking on my hands as well as brilliant impressions of Tommy Cooper and Robert De Niro in Taxi Driver as well as stating the obvious.

Fuck that shit. Raping children is wrong. I don’t give a fuck what anyone says.

A heavy handed approach by whom ? I take it you are meaning by the government. Sorry, but that is exactly what is needed. For too long, they have tried to appease reactionaries amongst the called “community leaders” and shied away from taking firm action.

Another thing I hate is that whenever a “non Asian” speaks out against such barbaric practices as honour killings and forced marriages, many Asians instinctively feel that they have to try and semi justify it.

They may end up saying something like “I know forced marriages/honour killings are wrong, BUT ….”.

BUT NOTHING!!!!

Forced marriages are wrong – full stop! (and the Asian person who tries to semi justify it probably thinks so too – it’s just that he/she didn’t like to hear it coming from the mouth of a white person).

That sort of attitude [“I agree with what you say, but I’ll pretend not to because I don’t like to hear you (a white person) saying it”) is completely hypocritical.

That shit is fucked.

We have fucked that shit.

No fucker is saying that shit anymore.

Some fucker did say that shit, but that shit has fucked off.

Unless you are seeing some shit I don’t fucking see?

Shit, this is fucking fun!