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		<title>By: Binky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Bones tale of cock-and-balls self mutilation reminds that a horrid [but well-focussed and well-exposed and well-developed and well-printed] snap of precisely THAT was in the Robert Mapplethorpe exhibition I saw in Boston years ago.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Brits were obliged to see a sanitized version due to the fearless intervention of a woman with enormous teeth, who believes she has a duty to shield Brits from photos of which she dissaproves ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;NEZTNAR REHTSE&lt;br&gt;REHTSE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Bones tale of cock-and-balls self mutilation reminds that a horrid [but well-focussed and well-exposed and well-developed and well-printed] snap of precisely THAT was in the Robert Mapplethorpe exhibition I saw in Boston years ago.</p>
<p>Brits were obliged to see a sanitized version due to the fearless intervention of a woman with enormous teeth, who believes she has a duty to shield Brits from photos of which she dissaproves &#8230;</p>
<p>NEZTNAR REHTSE<br />REHTSE</p>
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		<title>By: persephone </title>
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		<dc:creator>persephone </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets take aside the DisAbility and treat her first and foremost as an artist who wants freedom of  expression.    &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a piece of art it is meant to depict &amp; invoke a reaction from the viewer. As with all good art that reaction is individual and could be a mix of empathy, shock, embarassment, curiosity, fear and a feeling of helplessness. Which is probably some of what she has felt as a sufferer of epilepsy. In fact the public are already feeling some of these emotions without having seen it. It will be out of the comfort zone of many and I suspect that is the aim. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps she sees it as her right to have a (temporary) release from the dependency of the medication &amp; let the audience share in the experience rather than it be hidden as something too uncomfortable for us so called &#039;able&#039; bodied to cope with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets take aside the DisAbility and treat her first and foremost as an artist who wants freedom of  expression.    </p>
<p>As a piece of art it is meant to depict &#038; invoke a reaction from the viewer. As with all good art that reaction is individual and could be a mix of empathy, shock, embarassment, curiosity, fear and a feeling of helplessness. Which is probably some of what she has felt as a sufferer of epilepsy. In fact the public are already feeling some of these emotions without having seen it. It will be out of the comfort zone of many and I suspect that is the aim. </p>
<p>Perhaps she sees it as her right to have a (temporary) release from the dependency of the medication &#038; let the audience share in the experience rather than it be hidden as something too uncomfortable for us so called &#39;able&#39; bodied to cope with.</p>
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		<title>By: Laban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is she charging for admission ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is she charging for admission ?</p>
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		<title>By: dave bones</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries Doug. I don&#039;t do blokes anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries Doug. I don&#39;t do blokes anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6589/comment-page-1#comment-186862</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Bones,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; No, not exactly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is a bit shit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Much like most folk that get tattos. That is pretty stupid too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Along with piercing and shit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But what the hell do I know.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Bones,</p>
<p> No, not exactly.</p>
<p>It is a bit shit.</p>
<p>Much like most folk that get tattos. That is pretty stupid too.</p>
<p>Along with piercing and shit.</p>
<p>But what the hell do I know.?</p>
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		<title>By: dave bones</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;From the little I know of epilepsy I would say that is a very dangerous thing to do. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dangerous, and interesting. same as tight rope walking. A friend of mine used to do a show worldwide nailing his fore skin and the skin of his balls to a piece of wood and crucifying himself. Was he / is he suffering from some sort of condition? I would guess so. There is an honourable tradition of brave souls who push the extremes in art isn&#039;t there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>From the little I know of epilepsy I would say that is a very dangerous thing to do. </i></p>
<p>Dangerous, and interesting. same as tight rope walking. A friend of mine used to do a show worldwide nailing his fore skin and the skin of his balls to a piece of wood and crucifying himself. Was he / is he suffering from some sort of condition? I would guess so. There is an honourable tradition of brave souls who push the extremes in art isn&#39;t there.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Though I doubt it was deliberate. That is not how Sunny runs this web site.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suspect the aforementioned SNAFU.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can I just say thanks for listening to me?  You have set my mind at rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Though I doubt it was deliberate. That is not how Sunny runs this web site.</p>
<p>I suspect the aforementioned SNAFU.</p>
<p>Can I just say thanks for listening to me?  You have set my mind at rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nope, nowhere to comment. It ain&#039;t just you. Thread must be closed, probably just as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas,</p>
<p>Nope, nowhere to comment. It ain&#39;t just you. Thread must be closed, probably just as well.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KB Player,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you know me, you&#039;ll know I don&#039;t back down either. Unless, of course the technology lets me down.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which, I suspect, is what has happened.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I completely agree with you about the new commenting system. It doesn&#039;t appear to work. Hence Graham getting the last word..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which is a bit shit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can you comment on that thread? It&#039;s the one headed:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Digging deeper into a hole of stupidity&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am just interested. I have no idea what the outcome might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KB Player,</p>
<p>If you know me, you&#39;ll know I don&#39;t back down either. Unless, of course the technology lets me down.</p>
<p>Which, I suspect, is what has happened.</p>
<p>And I completely agree with you about the new commenting system. It doesn&#39;t appear to work. Hence Graham getting the last word..</p>
<p>Which is a bit shit.</p>
<p>Can you comment on that thread? It&#39;s the one headed:</p>
<blockquote><p>Digging deeper into a hole of stupidity</p></blockquote>
<p>I am just interested. I have no idea what the outcome might be.</p>
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		<title>By: KB Player</title>
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		<dc:creator>KB Player</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen footage of people having seizures and it seemed terribly intrusive to watch it, same as, say, watching someone having a heart attack.  In fact I&#039;d say &quot;gawp&quot; rather than &quot;watch&quot;.  Unless you&#039;re helping them, watching someone in such a state is voyeuristic, like rubbernecking at an accident.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I had a boyfriend who was epileptic and of course if he had a fit, I&#039;d be doing what I could to help him, trying to get him out of the way of things that might hurt him.  He had a fit once on a step and broke a couple of ribs.  I can&#039;t say I&#039;d want to view this kind of thing as an artwork.  If I knew someone was acting it, it would be different.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Douglas - leaving Graham with the last word is the human condition.  He never gives up nor backs down.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Have I mentioned that this new commenting system is a bit annoying?  I liked the old one better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve seen footage of people having seizures and it seemed terribly intrusive to watch it, same as, say, watching someone having a heart attack.  In fact I&#39;d say &#8220;gawp&#8221; rather than &#8220;watch&#8221;.  Unless you&#39;re helping them, watching someone in such a state is voyeuristic, like rubbernecking at an accident.</p>
<p>I had a boyfriend who was epileptic and of course if he had a fit, I&#39;d be doing what I could to help him, trying to get him out of the way of things that might hurt him.  He had a fit once on a step and broke a couple of ribs.  I can&#39;t say I&#39;d want to view this kind of thing as an artwork.  If I knew someone was acting it, it would be different.</p>
<p>Douglas &#8211; leaving Graham with the last word is the human condition.  He never gives up nor backs down.  </p>
<p>Have I mentioned that this new commenting system is a bit annoying?  I liked the old one better.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David O&#039;Keefe, I take your point about me and Harry&#039;s Place. I really do. But leaving Graham with the last word is quite aggravating. It really is. If this is a fault in Disqus or summat, I can live with that. I suspect it is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are enormous faults with this system. Sometimes it holds my details, and sometimes it doesn&#039;t. This, for instance, was my second attempt to reply to you. First time around I was Mr Anonymous. If it was consistent, then that&#039;d be OK.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But finding you can&#039;t post on a thread you&#039;d like to, because you suspect it is a technological SNAFU, is quote annoying.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You try it. Can you post to the thread headed:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Digging deeper into a hole of stupidity&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d be interested in your reply. It might get us nearer an explanation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not completely mad, despite what Graham says....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David O&#39;Keefe, I take your point about me and Harry&#39;s Place. I really do. But leaving Graham with the last word is quite aggravating. It really is. If this is a fault in Disqus or summat, I can live with that. I suspect it is.</p>
<p>There are enormous faults with this system. Sometimes it holds my details, and sometimes it doesn&#39;t. This, for instance, was my second attempt to reply to you. First time around I was Mr Anonymous. If it was consistent, then that&#39;d be OK.</p>
<p>But finding you can&#39;t post on a thread you&#39;d like to, because you suspect it is a technological SNAFU, is quote annoying.</p>
<p>You try it. Can you post to the thread headed:</p>
<blockquote><p>Digging deeper into a hole of stupidity</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#39;d be interested in your reply. It might get us nearer an explanation.</p>
<p>I am not completely mad, despite what Graham says&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: David O&#39;Keefe</title>
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		<dc:creator>David O&#39;Keefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dougie, Just drop it, your taking it too far. Leave it alone and come back to it another day, as HP&#039;s conduct will probably be up for discussion again in the future.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Its turning to an obsession, heed my advice please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dougie, Just drop it, your taking it too far. Leave it alone and come back to it another day, as HP&#39;s conduct will probably be up for discussion again in the future.</p>
<p>Its turning to an obsession, heed my advice please.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As you appear to be on-line, can I ask you why I am prohibited from taking Graham to task?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems to me that I am being restricted, either because you guys think I should be or because of some technical glitch. I&#039;d like to know which it is. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On that thread, and on that thread only, there is nowhere for me to comment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, enough off topic stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
<p>As you appear to be on-line, can I ask you why I am prohibited from taking Graham to task?</p>
<p>It seems to me that I am being restricted, either because you guys think I should be or because of some technical glitch. I&#39;d like to know which it is. </p>
<p>On that thread, and on that thread only, there is nowhere for me to comment.</p>
<p>Anyway, enough off topic stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from Binky.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good piece Sarah. The artist is brave and it is her choice, but if she sought my advice, I would say don&#039;t do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from Binky.</p>
<p>Good piece Sarah. The artist is brave and it is her choice, but if she sought my advice, I would say don&#39;t do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you both for your comments. You both make good and interesting points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both for your comments. You both make good and interesting points.</p>
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		<title>By: Binky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the stuff of late-night Japanese TV.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What does the BMA say about this; THEIR opinion would be worth knowing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the stuff of late-night Japanese TV.</p>
<p>What does the BMA say about this; THEIR opinion would be worth knowing!</p>
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		<title>By: Halima </title>
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		<dc:creator>Halima </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post and an interesting perspective on the right of all of us to protest or raise awareness on an issue that we feel passionately about.  The fact that there is disagreement about whether this is sensible or not a bad thing - after all, we shouldn&#039;t expect agreement and homogeneity on issues relating to DisAbility. The bottom line on the issue should be safety and duty of care. But for me it raises issues around the artist&#039;s right to practice her art in a way she considers relevant  and political. I am no artist, but generally they tend to be absorbed in their art in a completely different way to how other people experience life - there&#039;s more intimacy to their world and its issues around them and they tend to live life as art. It does raise quite challenging reactions in my mind – around danger and risks, but on the other hand,  I wonder how many times in the past we will have silenced people with disabilities , by actions, sanctions and institutional correction.  I do have relatives with epilepsy and what is most debilitating isn’t the epilepsy but people’s reactions and inability to accept it as a normal part of our lives. The same goes for many other forms of disabilities I think. What I would say is, though, it takes courage to pull off a statement like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post and an interesting perspective on the right of all of us to protest or raise awareness on an issue that we feel passionately about.  The fact that there is disagreement about whether this is sensible or not a bad thing &#8211; after all, we shouldn&#39;t expect agreement and homogeneity on issues relating to DisAbility. The bottom line on the issue should be safety and duty of care. But for me it raises issues around the artist&#39;s right to practice her art in a way she considers relevant  and political. I am no artist, but generally they tend to be absorbed in their art in a completely different way to how other people experience life &#8211; there&#39;s more intimacy to their world and its issues around them and they tend to live life as art. It does raise quite challenging reactions in my mind – around danger and risks, but on the other hand,  I wonder how many times in the past we will have silenced people with disabilities , by actions, sanctions and institutional correction.  I do have relatives with epilepsy and what is most debilitating isn’t the epilepsy but people’s reactions and inability to accept it as a normal part of our lives. The same goes for many other forms of disabilities I think. What I would say is, though, it takes courage to pull off a statement like this.</p>
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