Judiciousness is the considered weighing of the arguments and claims of two sides, and evaluating their relative validity and significance in accordance with universal principles of honour, truth, and justice.

While Moslems are not universally hostile to Israel or Zionism, the preponderence of opinion among them is against Israel; if you feel there is Moslem-originated criticism of Israel that you consider to be particularly judicious, and which MP or some other pro-Israeli commentator has unfairly trashed, please provide an example (you may include yourself!).

“…And the Hindus and Sikhs! I hate them too!…”

I'm sure you sometimes do.

“…I'm born in the UK. What's my national origin?…”

It depends where your parents are from. For example, many British-born descendents of Poles who settled in Britain after WW2 will say they are of Polish national origin.

“…In scotland the sepratists are the government…”

In England the Scots are the Government.

“…This is why my friend and his family have had their names published on a list of 'self-hating Jews' for supporting a Palestinian charity? …but there is an element amongst zionists that is very hostile towards Jews who criticise Israel…”

There are Arabs who are shunned by their fellow Arabs and have lost their livelihood because they advocate reconciliation and friendship with Israel. There are Arabs who have been killed by their fellow-Arabs because they opposed and acted against extremists who were planning to carry out terroristic acts against Israelis. They do not receive any support or sympathy from you, do they? Or do they?

- This is why my friend and his family have had their names published on a list of 'self-hating Jews' for supporting a Palestinian charity? That's an extreme example, but there is an element amongst zionists that is very hostile towards Jews who criticise Israel, just as there are elements amongst political Islam that see Muslims who do not share their worldview as not being real Muslims. Why should we allow the extremists to set the agenda of identity?

ooooh! and please do let me know when MP has ever accepted a criticism of Israel made by, say, a Muslim, because it was made “judiciously”. Very interested.

Also, her “criticisms” are mostly of the view that the country isn't hard enough on the Palestinians. That isn't the kind of “criticism” we're talking about really is it?

Did you omit Jews from your list deliberately? Or was it a Freudian slip?

Yes! Of course I did! And the Hindus and Sikhs! I hate them too! I'm racist against all these religious groups. Didn't I tell you?

merely because there are people of other national origins living in the country?

That's an amusing Freudian slip. I'm born in the UK. What's my national origin?

In Northern Ireland and Scotland the separatists are a minority, as elections have shown again and again for more than 150 years.

In scotland the sepratists are the government

As for Northern Ireland

There is no forcing of anyone to identify with anyone – there is just debate and advocacy .

“…excludes the opinions of all the anti-Zionist Jews..”

Nobody is excluding anyone's opinions – there is disagreement, but all can express their views freely.

These accusations of coercion and exclusion are bizarre and false.

“…Go and ask what percentage of scots 'feel' british; then ask the irish…”

In Northern Ireland and Scotland the separatists are a minority, as elections have shown again and again for more than 150 years.

- Not only that, in viewing Israel as the sole focus of Jewish identity, it excludes the opinions of all the anti-Zionist Jews, wherever they happen to live. Forcing a people to identify with a state and the policies of that state, now that's racism.

As I asked previously, should we stop identifying Britain with the Anglo-Saxon, Welsh, Scots and Irish

I'm not sure, but im curious!

Go and ask what percentage of scots 'feel' british; then ask the irish.

I seem to have hit a sensitive spot. No offence intended.

“Of course not, but criticism of Israel just happens to make you anti-semitic in her eyes…”

Nonsense. Philips has herself criticized Israel on occasion, and has explicitly explained many times that criticism of Israel in itself is not anti-semitic, when it is applied judiciously.

“anyone who is black, white, Christian, Muslim or atheist can be British. It is a national identity not a religious identity…”

Did you omit Jews from your list deliberately? Or was it a Freudian slip?

As I asked previously, should we stop identifying Britain with the Anglo-Saxon, Welsh, Scots and Irish peoples who mostly make up that nation merely because there are people of other national origins living in the country?

It's trendy to hate Israel.

Of course, we saw this mindset being applied when Bush was president – where criticising the president's policies was considered an act of treason against the US and anti-patriotic. The same people now believe it should be the opposite.

Does she think that being against the bombing of Gaza or Lebanon, or against the settlements in West Bank , being against Israel and therefore you are an Islamist?

I find it hilarious that an extremist like MP attempts to create a litmus test to find moderate people, and this post indeed deserves to be under the “Humor” category.
MP has absolutely no credibility among the reality-based people.

You got your wish…. I wish our I/P obsessive were a bit intelligent though. Instead we get monkeys who're only capable of howling.

LOL Oh the irony of it all!

You are entertaining, Hundal, you really are.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/21913/melanie…

On a related subject, what does everyone make of Ed and the Quilliam Foundation suing Craig Murray for libel, mainly on the apparently trivial issue of the filing of QF's accounts? There are several posts and you have to work back:

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

“Murray To Quilliam: Put Up Or Shut Up”, “We are instructed by our clients to prosecute an action against you for libel.”, “Quilliam Foundation Lie and Cheat”, “All Blogger Alert: Quilliam Foundation Lawyers Threaten Libel Action Against This Blog”, “Public Money Goes AWOL”.