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	<title>Comments on: Lefties should stop cutting their noses to spite the face</title>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Socialism &#171; Harpymarx</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6517/comment-page-1#comment-186113</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival of Socialism &#171; Harpymarx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the house of Paisley. Feministing highlights the problems of faith based charities and homophobia. Sunny believes that Lefties should stop cutting their noses to spite their face. Penny Red shows [...]</description>
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		<title>By: punkscience</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6517/comment-page-1#comment-186020</link>
		<dc:creator>punkscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny H: &quot;This is why I&#039;m not a fan of the purists who vote against a bill because it doesn&#039;t go far enough (Kucinich did this on the climate bill)&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As George Monbiot keeps pointing out, climate change policy that won&#039;t enact any meaningful efforts to combat climate change is useless. A waste of resources and effort. A lie. Are you advocating such action? Are you an advocate of evidence-based policy?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The healthcare debate is so ridden with lies and propaganda that it is no wonder a half-arsed effort is the best they can produce. The lack of any reasonably balanced coverage of politics in the US is one of that nation&#039;s great flaws, as revealed by their absurdly ideology-driven policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny H: &#8220;This is why I&#39;m not a fan of the purists who vote against a bill because it doesn&#39;t go far enough (Kucinich did this on the climate bill)&#8221;</p>
<p>As George Monbiot keeps pointing out, climate change policy that won&#39;t enact any meaningful efforts to combat climate change is useless. A waste of resources and effort. A lie. Are you advocating such action? Are you an advocate of evidence-based policy?</p>
<p>The healthcare debate is so ridden with lies and propaganda that it is no wonder a half-arsed effort is the best they can produce. The lack of any reasonably balanced coverage of politics in the US is one of that nation&#39;s great flaws, as revealed by their absurdly ideology-driven policies.</p>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
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		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like basic common sense to me: even a minimal health care reform leaves more people alive to vote for you. An extra year on life expectancy is probably going to be over 1% of the electorate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like basic common sense to me: even a minimal health care reform leaves more people alive to vote for you. An extra year on life expectancy is probably going to be over 1% of the electorate.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kucinich is too much of a damn purist sometimes. How the hell does he plan to drive a new healthcare bill?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shamit - you can say that again.&lt;br&gt;What&#039;s the problem with the comments system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kucinich is too much of a damn purist sometimes. How the hell does he plan to drive a new healthcare bill?</p>
<p>Shamit &#8211; you can say that again.<br />What&#39;s the problem with the comments system?</p>
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		<title>By: Naadir Jeewa</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6517/comment-page-1#comment-185870</link>
		<dc:creator>Naadir Jeewa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to reinforce that, Kucinich also voted against the Affordable Health Care for America Act in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll887.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;final roll call&lt;/a&gt;, which I was sad enough to watch live at 4am on Sunday morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to reinforce that, Kucinich also voted against the Affordable Health Care for America Act in the <a href="http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll887.xml" rel="nofollow">final roll call</a>, which I was sad enough to watch live at 4am on Sunday morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Shamit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t seem to figure out this comments system</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#39;t seem to figure out this comments system</p>
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		<title>By: shamit</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6517/comment-page-1#comment-185868</link>
		<dc:creator>shamit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>way too many fucking idiots trolling here nowadays who don&#039;t have a clue about politics in general.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sunny - good post once again.  If they don&#039;t do something it would be like 1994 deja vu during midterms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>way too many fucking idiots trolling here nowadays who don&#39;t have a clue about politics in general.</p>
<p>Sunny &#8211; good post once again.  If they don&#39;t do something it would be like 1994 deja vu during midterms.</p>
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		<title>By: Fojee Punjabi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fojee Punjabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROLF :D&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ma negga.</description>
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<p>Ma negga.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ezra would have much more credibility on this if he had ever been at the forefront of arguing for a bill with a robust public option.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s a separate argument - should we be pushing as hard as we can.. and that&#039;s where I agree with the decision to keep pushing for the public option.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But when it comes to the crunch, you still have to make a decision. This is why I&#039;m not a fan of the purists who vote against a bill because it doesn&#039;t go far enough (Kucinich did this on the climate bill)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;A good example would be companies &quot;offsetting&quot; their carbon emissions (which I believe does do *some* good, though of course not nearly as much as its advocates claim), then using that as an excuse not to do anything else to reduce their environmental impact.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good example - and you&#039;re right in saying that it shouldn&#039;t stop the left pushing for more though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ezra would have much more credibility on this if he had ever been at the forefront of arguing for a bill with a robust public option.</i></p>
<p>That&#39;s a separate argument &#8211; should we be pushing as hard as we can.. and that&#39;s where I agree with the decision to keep pushing for the public option.</p>
<p>But when it comes to the crunch, you still have to make a decision. This is why I&#39;m not a fan of the purists who vote against a bill because it doesn&#39;t go far enough (Kucinich did this on the climate bill)</p>
<p><i>A good example would be companies &#8220;offsetting&#8221; their carbon emissions (which I believe does do *some* good, though of course not nearly as much as its advocates claim), then using that as an excuse not to do anything else to reduce their environmental impact.</i></p>
<p>Good example &#8211; and you&#39;re right in saying that it shouldn&#39;t stop the left pushing for more though.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree that not making the perfect the enemy of the good is important, but I don&#039;t think your argument holds true in all cases. Aside from anything else, if the same reasoning is applied to reforms we find less palatable then it basically becomes the slippery slope argument. In the case of American healthcare reform you&#039;re probably correct, but there are clearly also instances where it doesn&#039;t apply. A good example would be companies &quot;offsetting&quot; their carbon emissions (which I believe does do *some* good, though of course not nearly as much as its advocates claim), then using that as an excuse not to do anything else to reduce their environmental impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree that not making the perfect the enemy of the good is important, but I don&#39;t think your argument holds true in all cases. Aside from anything else, if the same reasoning is applied to reforms we find less palatable then it basically becomes the slippery slope argument. In the case of American healthcare reform you&#39;re probably correct, but there are clearly also instances where it doesn&#39;t apply. A good example would be companies &#8220;offsetting&#8221; their carbon emissions (which I believe does do *some* good, though of course not nearly as much as its advocates claim), then using that as an excuse not to do anything else to reduce their environmental impact.</p>
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		<title>By: reggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>reggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In short..its a middle class protest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In short..its a middle class protest.</p>
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		<title>By: sohopolitico</title>
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		<dc:creator>sohopolitico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ezra would have much more credibility on this if he had ever been at the forefront of arguing for a bill with a robust public option. But, in fact, he has never cared about the public option, and, indeed, has spent an inordinate amount of time telling other, more concerned lefties to just let it go. So the sentiment is fine, but it&#039;s pretty rich coming from him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ezra would have much more credibility on this if he had ever been at the forefront of arguing for a bill with a robust public option. But, in fact, he has never cared about the public option, and, indeed, has spent an inordinate amount of time telling other, more concerned lefties to just let it go. So the sentiment is fine, but it&#39;s pretty rich coming from him&#8230;</p>
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