With that Rajinder guy, it doesn't take much imagination to see how his childhood experiences are dictating his decisions today. I would imagine seeing your father hacked to death in front of your eyes as a child could have a profound effect on ones psyche. Not that I am saying his views are okay but they are at least explainable.

Fojee. Knob. For someone who claims to be so clever, broadcasting your intention to break the law on an open a forum as the Internet speaks volumes. Sunny, please pass me his email address as he has requested.

I don't doubt that certain sections of the Muslim community, probably mainly of Pakistani background, have been involved in quite underhand attacks on Sikhs as well as targeting naive girls for what people have accused them of. I know Sikh people will usually sweep such problems under the mat, as it represents loss of much face and perceived notions of izzat. That is why people are generally reluctant to openly admit to such problems. I know I saw loads of it when I was at uni. So I don't need Ian Blair to tell me that no evidence exists.

BUT despite all of this…..the fact remains that jumping into bed with the BNP, even if the white community are having similar experiences, is a fool's solution. It's not rocket science.

Off-topic perhaps, but the Brit retirees in Spain and Bulgaria DO involve themselves with local charities and charitable appeals even if the lingo is beyond most of them.

Check out the website MY BULGARIA and the equivalent sites by and for Brit settlers in Spain if you doubt this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/b…

Well, Sikhs are obvious but will the Parsee Zoroastrians and Hindoos and ever-threatened Ahmedi heretics join in droves, too?

If you really have a problem with me then please do ask Sunny for my email and I'll show you how much of a Fojee I am by smashing your skull against concrete in the middle of the day on Southall Broadway.

Do not vex me. I am not the sort of person to get on the wrong side of- believe me.

Exactly.

Also, accusation that I am neither a Fojee or a Punjabi makes me laugh because I have 6 generations of military history behind me to prove it and I myself am going to do some service in the Indian Army as I still have family members involved in the upper echelons of its command.

Dalbir's just carrying out the typical and predictable character assassination technique because he knows he cannot possibly beat me in a debate. He's neither intelligent enough nor witty enough to engage in a real argument.

P.S. I have an IQ of 168.

Think about that the next time you try to get rude to me, Son.

I must admit most Sikhs/Punjabis do sort out problems themselves as they are quite direct & don't get other communities involved. Plus no posturing around on blogs for them – most are too macho for that.

Must be the military background – but being both a Fogee & a Punjabi he would know that.

NB Dalbir, lighten up on the gaals please.

Look at how Brits isolate themselves in Spain before you open your mouth. Besides, it isn't just Muslims the average BNP tutta is whining about. That is just a cover for deeper hatred for nonwhites.

I'm not denying that grooming and whatnot is going on. But not every last Pakistani/Muslim is up to it believe it or not.

I'm done talking to you now because …..

Thank fuck for that, you were beginning to bore the shit out of me.

Anyway, some parting advice. If Sikhs have a problem with another community targeting them, they must deal with it themselves. Not hide behind scum of the earth goray like a bunch of panchod bukray.

You sir are neither a Fojee or a Panjabi but a complete fucking giddarh. Stop doing both the quoms and your own personal behzti by being an apologist for neo-nazis. Good bye to you twat.

Stop resorting to personal attacks because you're being exposed for the intellectual lightweight that you are.

Anyhoo, I understand that there is a high presence of BNP supporters in such areas but what pissed people off for the BNP and various parties of their ilk to gain such support from ordinary, working class white people in the first place?

I'll tell you what happened: Muslim communities receded and refused to integrate into wider society thus fomenting an air of discontent from the white population who felt marginalised in their own country.

As I said before- if British Muslims want to live like their brothers and sisters do in Islamic countries then fine… but don't expect other people to get pissed off when Muslim men begin grooming young white girls for sex, selling drugs and airing radical Islamist views because they're mis-guided (and if you don't believe me please refer to BBC News and Channel 4 documentaries for various reports of the aforementioned accusations)

I'm done talking to you now because you're obviously too stubborn and immature to engage in a serious debate.

You are the weakest link- goodbye.

Anyhoo, you ask who runs riot in town centres in this country.
Do you have the memory of a goldfish? Or were you just hidden under a rock when the Bradford and Oldham riots erupted?

Do a little research on what right wing groups were doing in those areas in the period immediately preceding those riots. You are too clueless to deal with brother.

The Brits weren't averse to hang or intern anyone resisting their occupation. What is difficult to understand about a people yearning for that beautiful thing called freedom, through self governance? Anyway, during the British raj many people who Sikhs still consider to be the jewels of the community were executed or sent over the notorious 'kala pani' to hellish conditions in which they quickly died. Sikhs had to face attempts at brutal suppression to free their places of worship (that the movement that arose from this has become a corrupt self seeking fiefdom since is another matter) . They faced Jallianwala bagh in which some twat basically let rip on an unarmed gathering killing masses. They had their homeland torn up in front of their eyes whilst the Brits quietly tip toed out of the country offering no protection against mobs. Hundreds of thousand perished. This experience is in the living memory of my family members. I think it is appropriate to describe the situation as one of oppression and subversion myself, but I guess from a Brit perspective, you'd interpret it as Sikhs having a good old time under the benign Brits. The reality is that Sikhs lost a hard fought for independent kingdom from the experience.

As for the Hindu statement, personally I believe it is a bit too simplistic to encompass what has happened to Sikhs and Panjab since independence. Although an element of inter-religious antagonism may be a factor, in my opinion it is infinitely more complicated than a straight Sikh-Hindu narrative. That being said, approx. 3000 murdered in Delhi 25 years ago and no justice as well as Indira Gandhi's sending troops into the equivalent of the vatican, on a day when it was packed with everyday Joe pilgrims and the subsequent decade + long reign of terror in the countryside. As the ruling classes are generally Hindu in India, some people understandably blame them entirely. I am not one of them myself.

Fojee, if I can be arsed with your post later, I may respond.

Your constant resort to snide comments masks your insecurities- I am not afraid of Muslims because… well, why would I be?

True Muslims abide by the lessons the Qu'ran seeks to teach Muslims. That being to live by Sharia law which is actually rather peaceful if order is in place in Islamic societies. Though I may not agree with some aspects of it, if someone so chooses to live by the letter of Islam then good luck to them.

Seems to me you're the one afraid of white people…

Anyhoo, you ask who runs riot in town centres in this country.
Do you have the memory of a goldfish? Or were you just hidden under a rock when the Bradford and Oldham riots erupted?

Let's get this clear right now: I have nothing but respect for REAL Muslims because if you live your life according to Islamic principles then you are just a good person in any context- it's when some Muslims try to impose their way of life on others or attack those who they feel are sinful that I get pissed off.

I really don't know what you're getting at by throwing mud at me because of what poor whites do- I never once said it was the fault of Muslims per se but rather those who choose to disenfranchise themselves when they are in 21st Century Britain… be they white, Muslims, Sikhs, Jews or whatever, the cause of the aforementioned ailments is poverty.

''The Sikhs particularly feel much sympathy for the Jewish community in having to endure such despicable views as the Sikh commumity has suffered oppression by the Moghuls, British and now ethnic cleansing under the Hindu majority in India.''

That's all a bit melodramatic isn't it? It sounds like something the 21 year old Fojee Punjabi might say.

I take it you are one of those giddarh pendus who are absolutely terrified of Muslims. Grow some tuttay and then come back. If white people aren't moaning about one thing, it's another. Why is the country in the state it's in? Do the masses of useless, underachieving white chavs have nothing to do with it? Who has the highest rate of teenage pregnancies in Europe? Who run riot at closing time in town centres all over the country you dick. What about gangs of white hoodies making areas unsafe for any civilised people, as in Manchester for example? What are their GCSE pass rates compared to others? Is your head up your masters arse so far that you are blind to all this? Your underdeveloped brain seems to only see things in terms of Muslim problems. Read more books or something, it will help you.

And no, I will not fight anyone: see, the beauty of democracy is that I can say what I want (within reason) and not be killed because I happen to disagree with you… as might happen if I lived in, say, Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or Saudi Arabia or the UAE or Sudan or Somalia or… are you seeing the pattern yet, Genius?

Phudhaya! Go back home to Punjab and run your mouth off about the wrong thing (especially religious stuff) and see if your life wont be in danger you thick plank. What's your point dimwit? Are you saying that type of thing is unique to Muslims?

I DO NOT support the British National Party so stop f@cking accusing me of being a member of the BNP because you're not intelligent enough to stand up to me in a bout of verbal fisticuffs, you ignorant little sh1t.

I hate to burst your bubble but you've proved yourself incapable of any intelligent 'verbal fisticuffs' with your constant ranting. Wipe the froth off your mouth and read a wider range of literature and get out more. Stop making excuses for ignorant, racist white men you dick. By the way, the way you seem to think people are avoiding you because of your debating prowess is so delusional that it is bordering on a psychological condition, seek help.

If you are going to respond, try doing it like a normal human next time please. Just try it.

Here's a little gift for a misled younger brother, enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OxCCKL0B18&feat…

Again there you go putting words into my mouth- did I ever say things were better then than they are now?

NO!

So shut the f@ck up!

Those Pakistani and Bangladeshi types didn't recede into societal hibernation because of racism but because they do not inherently think that 'kaffirs' are as worthy of their compatriotism as their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters- which is fine… until they start turning some sections of some British cities into Muslim ghettoes (see Bradford or parts of east London for example) where non-Muslims are made to feel intimidated by Muslim gangs and overtures of superiority from the Muslim communities that surround and envelop them.

The reason I make a noise about Muslims making parts of Bradford into Bradistan is because THIS IS ENGLAND! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO STAY HERE- F@CK OFF BACK TO PAKISTAN IF YOU WANT TO LIVE LIKE PAKISTANIS.

DO YOU NOW GET MY POINT YOU DUMB F@CK?!

I DO NOT support the British National Party so stop f@cking accusing me of being a member of the BNP because you're not intelligent enough to stand up to me in a bout of verbal fisticuffs, you ignorant little sh1t.

And no, I will not fight anyone: see, the beauty of democracy is that I can say what I want (within reason) and not be killed because I happen to disagree with you… as might happen if I lived in, say, Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or Saudi Arabia or the UAE or Sudan or Somalia or… are you seeing the pattern yet, Genius?

Now you've really pissed me off with your stupidity.

When people like you have the right to vote it's little wonder why this country is facing such huge problems, pal!

*Itches ever growing dhaari*

P.S. SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP, KID!

It just disturbs me that some Sikhs are echoing BNP type nonsense. Like you. Your statements did suggest that all was fine and dandy until immigration numbers went overboard. Well no, it was pretty bad back in the days. Attacks were commonplace (like everyday), and people were murdered. It hasn't got that level again yet, but who knows what direction it will go in future?

Back then Fojee, A LOT of Sikhs were attacked and a hell of a lot fought back against nazis on a street level (as did other 'Asians'). They would be in their late 30s onward now. Personally speaking, I've always thought that those early hostile 'anti-p*ki' days caused many Asian communities to withdraw into themselves (e.g. Pakistani and Bengali). This latter helped fundamentalism to foster and develop within the more insular communities. Who is too blame? A genuine threat existed to those who were asian. If you saw some of what happened back then, you wouldn't be surprised that hate became engendered against whites.

The only real problem here is that too many white people have some sort of antipathy to cultures that are different to theirs and people who look different to them. This I believe is a at least partially the result of the centuries of colonial brainwashing Brits (esp. English) have been getting. Whilst some have no problem with those of foreign extraction MANY have been pretty much compelled to put up with it because of economic needs and laws that restrict them from openly attacking and abusing us (although Prince Harry and that prick from Celebrity come dancing seem to be immune to this).

You talked of ghettoisation by ethnics, dude, have you not seen those white scummy sink estates all over Britain? Where GCSE are rare and teenage pregnancies and Burberry caps common. Incidentally, the chances of you going to one and leaving without being abused is as slim as Kate Moss on a diet. Seeing as many white working class people make their areas 'no go' for ethnics, why make noise when say Pakistanis do it?

I tell you the real issue at the heart of the matter here is that sections of the Muslim community have remain loyal to their core religious beliefs and refuse to compromise. This makes them strong and people resent it. Yes, I know that there is predatory and intimidatory tactics employed by some small groups against others. But supporting BNPesque type ideology is no way to combat that.

Bottom line is that a lot of the problems of this country isn't down to migrants but stupid attitudes on part of the hosts. This especially applies to the so called 'terrorism' issue. Ehna nay kinnay desh wich ja kay kushmaan haramiaan kittian!? Kee tenu putha naye?

For the record, you yourself seem to be quite arrogant and stubborn, seeing as you are throwing that accusation around so freely. If you want to debate that's good, but making accusations like that when someone disagrees with what seems to me to be poorly conceived ideas isn't cool dude. We have enough hate filled white people out there saying what your saying, don't join them. Get ready to fight them, like people before you did.

That's the thing: did you once see me deny that things were bad when immigration from the West Indies, Africa and the sub-continent first arose?

No!!!

STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!

Again: stop assuming things.

Why do you think I'm a token spokesman for white people?

I'm a spokesman for me, myself and I.

I thought you were cool, dude, but you're obviously just as arrogant and stubborn as Mr Hundal.

Forshame.

You fail to acknowledge the fact that aggression and hatred was here when migrant numbers were quite low compared to today. Go ask some clued up older people about what used to happend in the 70s/80s. So maybe you are a bit “divvy” as you put it. Anyway, I live in a predominantly 'Asian' area and although some whites do the old 'p*ki, p*ki' bit at home and in the pub, they seem fine to me. Thing is, masses of the English are only really happy when they are miserable about the state of things. They have a tendency to blame immigrants for all their woes. You only have to look at the media to see how obsessed they are with depressing bad news to see this is a part of the national character.

I think the nazis got slapped about back in the day and are just exploiting the recent global Islamist movement to try and drag the UK back to its savage angry past. This place was known as a savage barbaric backwater in Roman times. I think lumpen sections of Brits want that reputation back again. lol

Anyway, what are you, some sort of token spokesman for whites?

I'm sorry I damaged your ego, Babes.

And I think what you mean to say is: “I won't take you seriously until you agree with me”.

No?

Dalbir:

It's just what I see on the streets is all I am saying.

N.B. Whenever you see me write anything it is not undisputed fact but merely my own take on the issue so I admit that, on occassions, I might well be wrong. However, from my own experiences all that has happened to Britain as a result of Labour's policy of opening the floodgates to migrants from across the world is that they've allowed a melting pot to boil over and it is vented through, for example, the 'ghettoisation' of certain parts of the country where you have anyone who isn't of a certain religion feel unsafe when merely merrily going about their business.

Just ask the white folk who live in Bradford or Sheffield how they feel about the local Pakistani community or the Muslims in Kent how they feel about their white neighbours.

Point is this: I personally think that you can only take multiculturalism so far until you begin to tear apart the very fabric of the tolerant society you were trying to create.

But ignore me… I'm just a divvy 21 year old Nazi…