Pictures from today’s anti-Islamists demo


by Sunny
31st October, 2009 at 8:24 pm    

Anjem Choudhary and his band of publicity-seeking wimps backed out of the demo in Trafalgar Square in the face of up to three counter-demos. Apparently some small alternative-demo was held in Walthamstow but no one has confirmed that to me.

Good thing the people from British Muslims for Secular Democracy and their friends turned up. The English Defence League did not, apparently they were at a demo in Leeds, but the English Democrats did. The latter were generally a nice bunch of people (at least their spokesperson was).

Below are some pictures. I’m uploading some videos too.

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The people from English Democrats were adamant they had nothing to do with the English Defence League. One said it was too infiltrated by BNP types for him. The English Democrats said they were quite proud of the anti-Islamists demo and stood by them.

However, a little distance remained between the two groups. I also did a short interview with the English Democrats spokesperson that I’m uploading now.

Here’s a general video


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  1. Shatterface — on 31st October, 2009 at 8:53 pm  

    Is it really a ‘counter-demo’ when there’s no ‘demo’?

  2. Rumbold — on 31st October, 2009 at 8:57 pm  

    Some familar faces in there. I think it counts as a counter-demo if one was originally planned.

  3. Sunny — on 31st October, 2009 at 9:01 pm  

    I’m in the last pic.

  4. Boyo — on 31st October, 2009 at 9:03 pm  

    Are you the blonde?

  5. Sunny — on 31st October, 2009 at 9:23 pm  

    Yup.

    More pics here by Jerome Taylor
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/77827383@N00/

  6. douglas clark — on 31st October, 2009 at 9:45 pm  

    Sunny,

    Ricky Whittle, close but no prizes…

  7. douglas clark — on 31st October, 2009 at 9:51 pm  

    Rumbold,

    Tell me who you recognise! I am completely convinced that the chap in the bunnet, left centre first photograph, is oor Sid / Faisal!

  8. douglas clark — on 31st October, 2009 at 9:55 pm  

    And the guy, left centre bottom on two probably has an LLB (Hons). He certainly has that essential look!

  9. Naadir Jeewa — on 31st October, 2009 at 9:57 pm  

    ===PRESS RELEASE===

    The British Democrats for Secular Muslims (BDSM) did not turn out today because they received no threats of whipping, or even excessive slapping.

  10. douglas clark — on 31st October, 2009 at 10:04 pm  

    Naadir Jeewa,

    You are funnier than me. ;-)

  11. bernard — on 31st October, 2009 at 10:06 pm  

    Perhaps “Reza” would care to troll us with his views on the matter.

    No, actually, you needn’t bother.

  12. douglas clark — on 31st October, 2009 at 10:26 pm  

    bernard,

    As it seems to have been a toytown joke, and that Reza’s troops – whichever they are – have not come out in numbers, perhaps we can assume that we are not a particularily racist country, and that some folk quite like other folk that live here, and don’t wish them damage or ill, or anything like that. In fact they fall in love with them and marry them. And none of them want to buy into the idiocy of Anjem Choudhary with his death threats to apostasy.

    It is well to remember that minority cults are essentially that, minorities.

    And these folk are allowed to dominate our media?

    Well, fuck that.

    If Anjem Choudhary, can say he is a Sharia scholar, absent any evidence whatsoever, then I am entitled to say that I am a too.

  13. Rumbold — on 31st October, 2009 at 10:26 pm  

    Douglas:

    There at least three Picklers there (I sadly was occupied digging in the season’s compost).

  14. Colm — on 31st October, 2009 at 10:35 pm  

    Sounds like you had a better time in London than those of us who were opposing fascism in Leeds. The city centre was swarming with both cops and hundreds of shaven headed right-wing EDL thugs strutting around the main shopping streets with England flags and offensive placards.

    The most depressing thing was the lack of any serious opposition. The UAF rally was a joke – a few hundred well-meaning but largely ineffectual peple listening to oh-so-predictable speeches. There were at least a couple of hundred anti-fascists who tried to get to the EDL demo but they were stopped by the police. Even if they had got through they would not have been able to prevent what must be the first successful outdoor fascist rally in a British city centre for decades. I don’t know if it’s because there’s a war on but the EDL has tapped into someting malignant among young white working class men who would never have turned out in numbers to protect a NF demo in the 70s, 80s or 90s.

    Perhaps it’s time to ask their Muslim counterparts to take to the streets to combat the EDL. One thing is for sure: the students and social workers of the UAF are losing the battle for control of the streets and right now it’s only heavy policing that is containing the fascists.

  15. douglas clark — on 31st October, 2009 at 10:52 pm  

    Rumbold,

    Did I get any of them right? I am not completely sure it wasn’t Ricky Little.

    I lied.

    ———————–

    Colm,

    Can I say this?

    No.

    The EDL consist of a tiny minority and Muslims should just ignore your shit. And assume that the streets don’t matter.

    You are some ignorant person.

  16. damon — on 31st October, 2009 at 11:48 pm  

    Sunny, I’d really like to hear you speak here tomorow.

    http://www.battleofideas.org.uk/index.php/2009/session_detail/2567/

    It’s too late now to register as a speaker, but they have an open floor. It’s next to the Albert Hall.

    There is much BS spoken perhaps, but anyone can stand up and say their piece as well, and I heard a lot of interesting stuff today. Tomorow will be much the same I think.

    Some people call them contrarians, and believe there’s no need to bother further in any discussion.
    I find that a bit weak.
    Surely what is left and liberal (or not) should be open for discussion.

  17. Naadir Jeewa — on 31st October, 2009 at 11:59 pm  

    Institute of Ideas is a post-RCP thing, isn’t it?

    In which case, one should ask why Andrew Orlowski’s posting smeary denialist climate change nonsense on The Register and not allowing any comments if ex-RCPers so committed to open debate.

  18. Faisal — on 1st November, 2009 at 12:08 am  

    What a great day it has been.

    Muslims for Secular Democracy 1, Islam4UK 0

    http://www.spittoon.org/archives/3366

  19. harbash — on 1st November, 2009 at 12:58 am  

    Hey, you guys even have the support of Melanie Phillips, well done!

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/5487921/a-less-than-united-front.thtml

  20. Sunny — on 1st November, 2009 at 1:36 am  

    Playing footy tomorrow afternoon damon – sorry mate!

    sounds like an interesting debate… but i’ve been so out of touch with the indian economic system recently that i dont think i could do it much justice..

  21. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells — on 1st November, 2009 at 1:39 am  

    EDL ‘salt of the earth white working class with honest concerns’ nazi salutes;

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2428/4061661796_614d664df1.jpg

  22. BenSix — on 1st November, 2009 at 3:39 am  

    Hey, you guys even have the support of Melanie Phillips, well done!”

    I hear she’s a fan of breathing, as well.

  23. douglas clark — on 1st November, 2009 at 4:52 am  

    harbash,

    I think I can, usually, follow an arguement, even if I don’t agree with it. And I know this site has been no friend to Inyat Bunglawaya.

    However, I said, a couple of years ago on CiF – before they banned me for telling the truth about the idiotic Madeleine Bunting – that I thought, reading his stuff, that he was a changed man. A man on the move, perhaps.

    We ought to allow people to cross over from the dark side to the light, and that certainly includes Inyat. I am dead impressed with the journey he has taken. It can not have been easy.

    [edited]

    I think we all should see the difference. Between a bat shit crazy, Obama is a wog, and a reasonably sensible Muslim. Who, has only to say that death for apostasy is pish, to become a member of the human race.

    Sunny?

  24. douglas clark — on 1st November, 2009 at 5:07 am  

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells,

    There are more supporters of Tunbridge Wells FC than there are:

    ’salt of the earth white working class with honest concerns’

    I’d like to think you knew that :-)

  25. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells — on 1st November, 2009 at 7:01 am  

    I didn’t even know there was a Tunbridge Wells FC.

  26. Andrew — on 1st November, 2009 at 8:40 am  
  27. organic cheeseboard — on 1st November, 2009 at 9:37 am  

    tsk, as any fule kno, despite all the evidence, the edl are not fascists at all, because their anonymous leaders say so, and their demand to have no new mosques built is entirely reasonable. See louis amis in standpoint…

  28. marvin — on 1st November, 2009 at 11:47 am  

    Andrew, the Express is pretty piss-poor in general, yes, but I don’t understand why the particular link you provide makes it so?

  29. Faisal — on 1st November, 2009 at 12:52 pm  

    marvin,

    that particular link to the Daily Express is piss-poor because is merely a reinforceemnt of everything the Islam4UK wants to achieve and demonisation of Muslims by association to Anjem Choudhary.

    1) The entire article is completely dedicated to the Islam4UK demo, which they themselves failed to turn up at. It could almost double as a Islam4UK press release!

    2) The Express relates that Islam4UK called of the debate because of threats from right-wing groups. That’s an Anjem Choudhary lie which the Express chose to report without any factual investigation.

    3) No mention of any kind is made of the BMSD demos – which would show Express readers that Muslims from the BMSD organised a superb counter-demo – and that was the cause of Anjem’s retreat. Anjem retreated because he knows that reports and photos of his group being chanted down and outnumbered by Muslims would put paid to his lies about the consensus he enjoys from British Muslims.

    In short – Andrew is right, the Express is a fucking disgrace.

  30. Reza — on 2nd November, 2009 at 8:54 am  

    Bernard

    “Perhaps “Reza” would care to troll us with his views on the matter.”

    Douglas

    “As it seems to have been a toytown joke, and that Reza’s troops – whichever they are – have not come out in numbers…”

    If there were any there “troops” that I would’ve supported, they would’ve been the English Democrats. Of all the political parties, they reflect my views best:-

    Non-racist, anti-immigration, pro removal of illegal immigrants, one-nation-nationalist, anti-big government, anti-multiculturalism, anti-PC moral equivalence and pro-English culture.

    Oh, and they’re also Islamo-skeptics; Stephen Gash, spokesman for “Stop the Islamification of Europe”, is an English Democrat.

    And the Mayor of Doncaster is an English Democrat. What a guy!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/07/english-democrats-doncaster-union-flag

    It gets better and better.

    As Sunny said:

    “…but the English Democrats did. The latter were generally a nice bunch of people (at least their spokesperson was).”

    Of course they’re a nice bunch of people. They love this country and the people in it.

    Unlike you.

  31. bananabrain — on 2nd November, 2009 at 11:15 am  

    i’m very pleased with this, of course – well done to everyone who turned up and supported it. if it hadn’t been a saturday i might even have done so myself!

    b’shalom

    bananabrain

  32. BenSix — on 2nd November, 2009 at 1:55 pm  

    Oh, and they’re also Islamo-skeptics; Stephen Gash, spokesman for “Stop the Islamification of Europe”, is an English Democrat.

    Islamo-skeptic” is a neat euphemism, but hardly one that applies to Stephen Gash, who’s written that “some Muslims are more active than others, but all Muslims want sharia law and Islam to rule the world. Moderate Muslims are those who watch non-Muslims being killed, but still say Allah u Akbar when the killing is happening.

    That quote is, of course, from an impeccably liberal source: Family Security Matters.

    http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.4398/pub_detail.asp

    Rational scepticism or wide-eyed raving? I know where my money’s placed.

  33. Reza — on 2nd November, 2009 at 2:38 pm  

    BenSix

    “Rational scepticism or wide-eyed raving? ”

    I’d say it’s rational sceptisism mixed with a misunderstanding of Islam and a failure to separate the people from the ideology.

    A common failure among non-Muslims.

    Geert Wilders is much more ‘on the ball’ in that respect.

    Gash is a decent guy. He’ll learn.

  34. BenSix — on 2nd November, 2009 at 2:49 pm  

    I’d say it’s rational sceptisism mixed with a misunderstanding of Islam and a failure to separate the people from the ideology.

    A misunderstanding of Islam; a failure to separate people from ideology, and a specific accusation aimed, without evidence, at every person in a massive, amorphous demographic. All that packaged up with in aggressive, confrontational rhetoric. As rational, in other words, as Deepak Chopra after one too many hits on a bong.

    Geert Wilders is much more ‘on the ball’ in that respect.

    Could you explain?

  35. Kismet Hardy — on 2nd November, 2009 at 2:55 pm  

    Geert Wilders is much more ‘on the ball’ in that respect.

    Bollocks. He was but an amusing sidekick to Richard Prior

  36. Reza — on 2nd November, 2009 at 2:57 pm  

    BenSIx

    [Geert Wilders is much more ‘on the ball’ in that respect.]

    “Could you explain?”

    Yes. He separates the people from the idology.

  37. Ravi Naik — on 2nd November, 2009 at 3:35 pm  

    Yes. He separates the people from the idology

    Yes, he definitely wants to separate Muslims from their religion by outlawing Islam.

  38. Ravi Naik — on 2nd November, 2009 at 3:43 pm  

    Non-racist, anti-immigration, pro removal of illegal immigrants, one-nation-nationalist, anti-big government, anti-multiculturalism, anti-PC moral equivalence and pro-English culture.

    Oh, and they’re also Islamo-skeptics;

    Islamo-skeptic is a politically correct word for Islamophobic. An Islamo-skeptic is someone who does not believe in the Koran. An Islamophobic is someone who believes that Muslims practising their religion are a menace to our society.

  39. bananabrain — on 2nd November, 2009 at 5:35 pm  

    ravi,

    what do you mean “does not believe in” the Qur’an? do you mean:

    1. doesn’t believe it to be divine?
    2. doesn’t believe it is a universal message?
    3. doesn’t believe it exists?
    4. doesn’t believe it is a sacred text to others if not to oneself?

    surely if i “believed in” the Qur’an, i’d be a muslim? if i’m not a muslim, surely i don’t “believe in” the Qur’an? you appear to be implying that people who don’t “believe in” the Qur’an are islamophobes, by asserting that an “islamo-sceptic” is a merely “politically correct” synonym – surely an “islamo-sceptic” is someone who is sceptical of the claims of islam, i.e. anyone who isn’t a muslim.

    in other words – what on earth are you on about?

    b’shalom

    bananabrain

  40. BenSix — on 2nd November, 2009 at 5:51 pm  

    Yes. He separates the people from the idology.

    Really?

    4. Encourage voluntary repatriation.

    Well…

    5. Expel criminal foreigners and criminals with dual nationality, after denationalization, and send them back to their Arab countries.

    I…

    7. Have every member of a non-Western minority sign a legally binding contract of assimilation.

    Can’t…

    9. Stop the building of new mosques. As long as no churches or synagogues are allowed to be build in countries like Saudi-Arabia we will not allow one more new mosque in our western countries.

    Agree.

    (From a dhimmi-tastic source, admittedly).

  41. Reza — on 2nd November, 2009 at 6:50 pm  

    BenSix

    Nothing shocking.

    I happen to agree with most of Wilders’ ten point plan, except for banning the Qu’ran.

  42. Dan — on 3rd November, 2009 at 11:08 am  

    I attended the Leeds demos, thought I may as well throw in my ten cents.

    The EDL were contained by a huge cordon of police, which made them pretty difficult to see. There were probably a couple hundred at the very top end – I saw them shepherded onto 2 coaches at the end of the day, so it can’t have been that many. Everyone standing around outside the cordon watching, who I overheard, seemed to think it was the BNP demonstrating, which might be a good thing. Oh, and the EDL can really sing! All that football hooliganism practice. Plus some of them had really nice little EDL jackets. Bless.

    The UAF demo was a ragbag mix of socialists, trade unionists, middle class, punks, students and UAF stewards, probably a bit more numerous than the EDL. When the soundsystem was playing, and everyone was just milling around chatting this was a really pretty good demo. It showed an alternative to hate – lots of different types of people having a good time together. As soon as the UAF leaders started haranguing the crowd though, it got lame really quickly.

    I wasn’t expecting to hear violence being advocated at this demo – maybe that was just me being naive – but being told we need to “crush” the “scum” with “brutality” is something I was expecting from the EDL more than the counter protest. Dehumanising those with other (albeit abhorrent) views, and urging violence against them in the first instance is kinda EDL. Retaliation is fine, but ‘rough justice’ from the off is just lame. Plus, having looked at both sides, if it came to a fight the UAF would have been the underdog. I think the crowning glory was when it was announced that we were going to march, and then stood for an hour waiting for the EDL to leave before the police allowed any reclaiming of the streets.

    Also, the mix of different groups there lent a lack of focus to the demo. I don’t want communism, my trade union is totally useless, I don’t want revolution, I just want the EDL to be shown as a shower of losers. That kinda got lost among the red flags.

    Finally, I think both demos should be dedicated to the patron saint of police overtime. 2 Helicopters, loads of horses, 20+ vans, hundreds of officers. The cost, once it comes out, will be huge.

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