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		<title>By: Nicholas Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Imprisoned Iraqi refugees on hunger strike http://bit.ly/2V0npw - Disgusting behaviour from HomeOffice  - sending people to warzones, christ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Imprisoned Iraqi refugees on hunger strike <a href="http://bit.ly/2V0npw" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2V0npw</a> &#8211; Disgusting behaviour from HomeOffice  &#8211; sending people to warzones, christ</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Experiments with truth: 10/30/09 / Waging Nonviolence</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6361#comment-183132</link>
		<dc:creator>Experiments with truth: 10/30/09 / Waging Nonviolence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the UK, Iraqi refugees locked up in Brook House and Colnbrook detention centres have been on hunger strike since October 19, to protest against their inhumane treatment and demand their immediate [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Auntie Vera</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6361#comment-183115</link>
		<dc:creator>Auntie Vera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some recruits for the Afghan and Iraqi armed forces; enterprising, intrepid and willing to endure hardship!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223868/A-maize-ing-cargo-14-illegal-immigrants-caught-sneaking-UK-tanker-carrying-25-tonnes-starch-powder.html

Send them home right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some recruits for the Afghan and Iraqi armed forces; enterprising, intrepid and willing to endure hardship!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223868/A-maize-ing-cargo-14-illegal-immigrants-caught-sneaking-UK-tanker-carrying-25-tonnes-starch-powder.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223868/A-maize-ing-cargo-14-illegal-immigrants-caught-sneaking-UK-tanker-carrying-25-tonnes-starch-powder.html</a></p>
<p>Send them home right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Auntie Vera</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6361#comment-183113</link>
		<dc:creator>Auntie Vera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If mighty hosts of unaccompanied asylum-seeking children are congregating in Croydon, unregistered pedophiles will be flocking from far and wide to offer their services as social workers; so much for the shortage of persons willing to become social workers, in Croydon at least!

Somewhat off topic, but vaguely connected with asylum-seekers arriving in Finland and claiming to be persecuted homosexuals, there&#039;s this from sexual deviants in Catholic Spain, no less:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/6459430/2010-calendars-nude-charity-and-bizarre-calendars-available-for-next-year.html?image=14

Amusing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If mighty hosts of unaccompanied asylum-seeking children are congregating in Croydon, unregistered pedophiles will be flocking from far and wide to offer their services as social workers; so much for the shortage of persons willing to become social workers, in Croydon at least!</p>
<p>Somewhat off topic, but vaguely connected with asylum-seekers arriving in Finland and claiming to be persecuted homosexuals, there&#8217;s this from sexual deviants in Catholic Spain, no less:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/6459430/2010-calendars-nude-charity-and-bizarre-calendars-available-for-next-year.html?image=14" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/6459430/2010-calendars-nude-charity-and-bizarre-calendars-available-for-next-year.html?image=14</a></p>
<p>Amusing!</p>
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		<title>By: Boyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looney. That&#039;s like saying immigration is murder when one immigrant or child thereof commits a murder. 

Really Sunny, and you call me a troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looney. That&#8217;s like saying immigration is murder when one immigrant or child thereof commits a murder. </p>
<p>Really Sunny, and you call me a troll.</p>
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		<title>By: damon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6361#comment-183071</link>
		<dc:creator>damon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What should the British government do?

Are Kurds all (of whatever nationality) deserving of asylum?

Tonight in Baghdad, Iraqis are having to keep their heads down, but many are still out and about in the city. Should we be bringing them over to Britain?

I don&#039;t have an answer. Should precedence be given to the young men who make it to these shores?
What about their families who are at the same risk as those who HMG has tried to deport?

I can&#039;t give that much weight to some official at Baghdad airport who threatened to burn the British plane (with failed asylum seekers on board) if did not leave immediatly.

Many countries seem to refuse the readmission of people who are obviously its citizens, or who have just departed from it. 
Like Indonesia for example, which must know about the &lt;i&gt;west and south Asian&lt;/i&gt; would-be asylum seekers leaving on boats heading for Australia before they depart, but as soon as they have left its coast, seem to not want to know anymore about them.

I think that even China doesn&#039;t cooperate so well with accepting back its citizens who have gone off on &#039;&#039;illegal&#039;&#039; migration journeys around the world.

According to my local newspaper (where the national UK Border Agencyâ€™s only &lt;b&gt;asylum screening unit&lt;/b&gt; is within the borough).... &lt;i&gt;&#039;&#039;The move means each of the 30,000 asylum seekers who fail to apply when they initially enter the country will have to come to Croydon to do so.&#039;&#039;&lt;/i&gt;
http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/localnews/4692866.Fury_as_Croydon_made_asylum_seeker_capital_of_UK/

I don&#039;t know about this following statement as its just on that newspapers website, so I&#039;ll just quote it without comment:

&lt;b&gt;&#039;&#039;Akram Khan from the British Afghan Association said up to 9,000 Afghani asylum seekers had already decided to live in and around Croydon, with many hoping to hide for the six years necessary to make a citizenship application possible.&#039;&#039;&lt;/b&gt;

Please note, I take into consideration that he also said this:

&lt;b&gt;â€œMy friend who lived with me was killed within two days of returning by opposition forces.&lt;/b&gt;

Also note:

&lt;b&gt;Unaccompanied asylum seeking children(UASCs) already account for almost two-thirds of young people under the care of Croydon Council..&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What should the British government do?</p>
<p>Are Kurds all (of whatever nationality) deserving of asylum?</p>
<p>Tonight in Baghdad, Iraqis are having to keep their heads down, but many are still out and about in the city. Should we be bringing them over to Britain?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have an answer. Should precedence be given to the young men who make it to these shores?<br />
What about their families who are at the same risk as those who HMG has tried to deport?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t give that much weight to some official at Baghdad airport who threatened to burn the British plane (with failed asylum seekers on board) if did not leave immediatly.</p>
<p>Many countries seem to refuse the readmission of people who are obviously its citizens, or who have just departed from it.<br />
Like Indonesia for example, which must know about the <i>west and south Asian</i> would-be asylum seekers leaving on boats heading for Australia before they depart, but as soon as they have left its coast, seem to not want to know anymore about them.</p>
<p>I think that even China doesn&#8217;t cooperate so well with accepting back its citizens who have gone off on &#8221;illegal&#8221; migration journeys around the world.</p>
<p>According to my local newspaper (where the national UK Border Agencyâ€™s only <b>asylum screening unit</b> is within the borough)&#8230;. <i>&#8221;The move means each of the 30,000 asylum seekers who fail to apply when they initially enter the country will have to come to Croydon to do so.&#8221;</i><br />
<a href="http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/localnews/4692866.Fury_as_Croydon_made_asylum_seeker_capital_of_UK/" rel="nofollow">http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/localnews/4692866.Fury_as_Croydon_made_asylum_seeker_capital_of_UK/</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about this following statement as its just on that newspapers website, so I&#8217;ll just quote it without comment:</p>
<p><b>&#8221;Akram Khan from the British Afghan Association said up to 9,000 Afghani asylum seekers had already decided to live in and around Croydon, with many hoping to hide for the six years necessary to make a citizenship application possible.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Please note, I take into consideration that he also said this:</p>
<p><b>â€œMy friend who lived with me was killed within two days of returning by opposition forces.</b></p>
<p>Also note:</p>
<p><b>Unaccompanied asylum seeking children(UASCs) already account for almost two-thirds of young people under the care of Croydon Council..</b></p>
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		<title>By: Wyrdtimes</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6361#comment-183064</link>
		<dc:creator>Wyrdtimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t stand the Tories but blaming the Conservatives (large C) for this seems bizarre. Labour took us into Iraq and Labour are in charge of immigration policy.

An immigration policy that has let in 2.3 million foreigners since 1991 - mainly to England. No-one knows how many illegals have been let in due to the same immigration policy either.

Will you ever say enough is enough Sunny?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t stand the Tories but blaming the Conservatives (large C) for this seems bizarre. Labour took us into Iraq and Labour are in charge of immigration policy.</p>
<p>An immigration policy that has let in 2.3 million foreigners since 1991 &#8211; mainly to England. No-one knows how many illegals have been let in due to the same immigration policy either.</p>
<p>Will you ever say enough is enough Sunny?</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6361#comment-183059</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marie-odile,

Good points well put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marie-odile,</p>
<p>Good points well put.</p>
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		<title>By: marie-odile</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6361#comment-183053</link>
		<dc:creator>marie-odile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about more than the general immigration debate though isn&#039;t it? The UK - with the US - invaded Iraq, creating tens of thousands of deaths and a massive humanitarian crisis...
... and as for the issue of claiming asylum in a rich Nordic country, (because that&#039;s such an appropriate analogy), if its Sweden or Finland, a Brit citizen can just move there for whatever reason, no need to claim asylum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about more than the general immigration debate though isn&#8217;t it? The UK &#8211; with the US &#8211; invaded Iraq, creating tens of thousands of deaths and a massive humanitarian crisis&#8230;<br />
&#8230; and as for the issue of claiming asylum in a rich Nordic country, (because that&#8217;s such an appropriate analogy), if its Sweden or Finland, a Brit citizen can just move there for whatever reason, no need to claim asylum.</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6361#comment-183039</link>
		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They should have gone to Finland and claimed to be persecuted homosexuals.&quot;

Interesting point.

Iâ€™ve often wondered if a person living on one of our sink estates could claim asylum in a rich Nordic country, say after theyâ€™ve been mugged or raped a few times. After all, according to Sunny and co, claiming asylum because your homeland is a sh*thole is  perfectly acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They should have gone to Finland and claimed to be persecuted homosexuals.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting point.</p>
<p>Iâ€™ve often wondered if a person living on one of our sink estates could claim asylum in a rich Nordic country, say after theyâ€™ve been mugged or raped a few times. After all, according to Sunny and co, claiming asylum because your homeland is a sh*thole is  perfectly acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6361#comment-183035</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should have gone to Finland and claimed to be persecuted homosexuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should have gone to Finland and claimed to be persecuted homosexuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shatterface - when have I ever defended this govt&#039;s stance on immigration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shatterface &#8211; when have I ever defended this govt&#8217;s stance on immigration?</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh David.

What a muddle the left are in. Last time I looked, Blair and Brown are Labour.

And Foot, Benn and the other far-lefties arenâ€™t vindicated at all. This war isnâ€™t about stealing oil. Itâ€™s about the discredited neocon ideology that any people from any culture or any religion will embrace western-style democracy, provided theyâ€™re â€˜helpedâ€™ hard enough.

Itâ€™s the same stupid ideology that believes that groups of people from anywhere in the world, mixed together in any numbers and proportions whatsoever, will eventually settle down as a harmonious society, appreciating â€” nay, celebrating! â€” their differences... which will of course soon disappear entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh David.</p>
<p>What a muddle the left are in. Last time I looked, Blair and Brown are Labour.</p>
<p>And Foot, Benn and the other far-lefties arenâ€™t vindicated at all. This war isnâ€™t about stealing oil. Itâ€™s about the discredited neocon ideology that any people from any culture or any religion will embrace western-style democracy, provided theyâ€™re â€˜helpedâ€™ hard enough.</p>
<p>Itâ€™s the same stupid ideology that believes that groups of people from anywhere in the world, mixed together in any numbers and proportions whatsoever, will eventually settle down as a harmonious society, appreciating â€” nay, celebrating! â€” their differences&#8230; which will of course soon disappear entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: cjcjc</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjcjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness - Foot was right all along - about what?

If the asylum claim is simply &quot;we come from Iraq&quot; even you can see how it cannot be granted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness &#8211; Foot was right all along &#8211; about what?</p>
<p>If the asylum claim is simply &#8220;we come from Iraq&#8221; even you can see how it cannot be granted?</p>
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		<title>By: david brough</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6361#comment-183022</link>
		<dc:creator>david brough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blair fucking WAS a Tory, and Brown is one too. How could anyone possibly imagine that this government&#039;s actions deserve the name Labour?

We&#039;re not sneering at Foot any more- he was right all along and has been vindicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blair fucking WAS a Tory, and Brown is one too. How could anyone possibly imagine that this government&#8217;s actions deserve the name Labour?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not sneering at Foot any more- he was right all along and has been vindicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Thatâ€™s Compassionate Conservatism for you.&#039;

And of course anyone who points out that the Home Office which deported them and the Government which bombed the shit out of them in the first place wasn&#039;t actually Conservative, &#039;Compassionate&#039; or otherwise, is a troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Thatâ€™s Compassionate Conservatism for you.&#8217;</p>
<p>And of course anyone who points out that the Home Office which deported them and the Government which bombed the shit out of them in the first place wasn&#8217;t actually Conservative, &#8216;Compassionate&#8217; or otherwise, is a troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are around 30 million people in Iraq. Roughly the same in Afghanistan. Sub-Saharan Africa has 800 million people. And a significant proportion of them live in very dangerous conditions.

Letâ€™s let them all in. That would be the â€œcompassionateâ€ thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are around 30 million people in Iraq. Roughly the same in Afghanistan. Sub-Saharan Africa has 800 million people. And a significant proportion of them live in very dangerous conditions.</p>
<p>Letâ€™s let them all in. That would be the â€œcompassionateâ€ thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: chairwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>chairwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you&#039;re surprised because?

This is exactly what the wartime government did with Jewish refugees from Nazi occupied Europe.

The reasoning was, and I assume still is, that they could have been spies or activists aiding and abetting the enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you&#8217;re surprised because?</p>
<p>This is exactly what the wartime government did with Jewish refugees from Nazi occupied Europe.</p>
<p>The reasoning was, and I assume still is, that they could have been spies or activists aiding and abetting the enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Folley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Folley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Agree with Sunny - absolutely shameful. RT @pickledpolitics Imprisoned Iraqi refugees on hunger strike  http://bit.ly/3hMflM&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Agree with Sunny &#8211; absolutely shameful. RT @pickledpolitics Imprisoned Iraqi refugees on hunger strike  <a href="http://bit.ly/3hMflM" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3hMflM</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Arscott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Arscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @bloggerheads: Right-wing hysteria about immigration kills people: http://bit.ly/3cj8Og&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @bloggerheads: Right-wing hysteria about immigration kills people: <a href="http://bit.ly/3cj8Og" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3cj8Og</a></span></span></span></p>
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