To complete the sham; All you need to do is let an idiot to remove the safety catch from the door and send the army packing to some pointless dust bowl to die.

To paraphrase Thatcher. “Sooner or later the left run out of other peoples money to spend”. I will add its not just money. Its *everything* you people have … or had.

Then read the letters penned in response – some written in incoherent fury but clear enough in meaning.

Neather’s reference to gardeners and cleaners and au pairs – useful migrants without whose vital labours London would grind to a halt – says everything about the sort of person he is and the sort of people with whom he associates.

As does his reference to such terribly important jobs being very unlikely to be grabbed by “unemployed BNP voters in Barking and Burley,” adding “fascist au pair, anyone?”

Enough said?

That, at least, is the considered view of Dr Alex Balch of the University of Sheffield (though currently in the States), who based his PhD on this very subject. He finds Neather’s latterday commentary mystifying, to say the least. Alex Balch has no political axe to grind.

For further details see http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2009/10/27/immigration-policy-when-evidence-actually-counted-for-something/ and including the comments from Alex Balch himself.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/5475511/trying-to-stuff-the-cat-back-into-the-bag.thtml

So now you know a little more!

You need educating about the capitalism you worship.
You don’t even know the political alphabet or how many political beans make five.

The quotes you give are from a subsequent article where Neathers backtracks on his original comments, presumably in response to the embarrassing publicity that resulted for him and his friends.

What he said originally was:

“…rub the Right’s nose in diversity…”

And he wrote:

“Earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural…

…I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn’t its main purpose – to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.”

You wrote:

“…but the trouble is that [immigration] doesn’t actually seem to be working everywhere…”

That’s true.

“…and we’re not able to discuss why without all the vested interests jumping in with their soapboxes…”

The primary obstacle to having a sensible discussion on immigration is the propensity of the left and sites like this to accuse anyone who criticises immigration of being a ‘racist’.

Perhaps the lesson of this row is just how hard it still is to have any sensible debate about immigration.

The Right see plots everywhere and will hyperventilate at the drop of a chapati: to judge by some of the rubbish published in the past few days, it’s frankly not hard to see why ministers were nervous.

The Left, however, will immediately accuse anyone who raises immigration as an issue as “playing the race card” – as the Government has on several occasions over the past decade.

Both sides need to grow up.

i couldn’t agree more – however, he adds:

A diverse society that welcomes immigrants works.

but the trouble is that it doesn’t actually seem to be working everywhere and we’re not able to discuss why without all the vested interests jumping in with their soapboxes.

b’shalom

bananabrain

Or was it “The Intrepid Galloway” perhaps?

Public houses called “The Intrepid Fox” were supposedly named in honour of Charled James Fox, a descendent of one of Charles II’s bastards.

I voted NO2EU. If Cameron forms a government, expect forces like this to rise if Labour can’t stop their pathetic subservience to the right-wing agenda, even now.

You might need to think outside the box and stop fighting the same old dreary battles in your heads from the ’80s.

Perhaps the working class aren’t as subservient to your socialist agendas as you’d hoped

Conservatives are getting consistently the highest ratings across the sociological spectrum. Plenty of working class Tories out there. If you don’t know any then you’re living in a dream world too mate. Working class, like any other such grouping have a diverse group of views, despite what the left will tell you.

…The City Boys, like Goldman Sachs, whom presently still reside in the UK, are set to give around £2.5bn in tax to the UK treasury. How much will the 50p tax rate generate in additional revenue? What about when companies such as Sachs decide to relocate to other economies such as Ireland?

Yes, looks like you only talk about the working class when it’s convenient to you, without mentioning the fact that they are anti-conservative in several obvious ways.

I’m talking specifically about a kind of moralising liberal-middle class, the delusional Guardian preachers of socialist utopias and the thundering posturing over the evils of Western capitalist imperialist societies… I.e. Chomskyites.

I don’t mind the fair range trade free liberals so much as long as they’ve still got their feet to the ground and ears open to the rest of us. But Chomsky fans…. Anyone who is thinks Chomsky is on the money has their head in cuckoo land, to be polite. A favourite read by Osama Bin Laden too boot.

It’s generally liberal middle class types who read such things, as you well know, I’m sure. Not the bin men and the labourers, as damon points out…

So… people were essentially getting what they always ask for, and somehow this has something to do with ‘the failure of multiculturalism’ and immigrants who refuse to assimilate. Does this mean that the skilled immigrants are also teh EEEVIL MOSLEMS WHO HATE OUR BRITISH WAY OF LIFE?!!

This was interesting, from Marvin’s article:

Moreover, in the draft it was asserted that Britain’s record towards Jews fleeing Hitler’s Nazi regime was “positively shameful in some respects”. It also said racism towards black migrants in past years had come “not just from extremists or working class communities, but from politicians and policy-makers at the highest level”.

Hmmm… Which paper was it that supported the Nazis… Oh, that’s right, the 2-million-selling Daily Mail! Verily, this country does SEETHE with enlightened defenders of liberal democracy. Reza is a perfect example. His post was the comedy highlight of the thread so far. Sunny, you should give some of our BNP and BNP-flavoured posters their own section.

Twat.

Blair’s think tank airbrushed link between crime and immigrants

Labour seemed to think it detrimental to mention any negative effects of immigration. I don’t know why people are acting surprised with all the lies and spin from the Labour government!… It’s almost entirely a shift from working class Labour voters to the BNP. Well done Labour, clap clap!

Bernard: I’d think people would assume that, generally speaking, the working class wouldn’t have their heads quite so far up their arses because they couldn’t afford to live in a liberal middle class mutual masturbation ring at the local free range fair trade gastro-cafe ranting about the murdering israeli bastards or pontificating about this fab performance art on the frustrations of Palestinian strawberry pickers, yar…