Founder of EDL linked to former neo-Nazis and terrorists


by Rumbold
24th October, 2009 at 9:55 pm    

Richard Bartholomew reports that Paul Ray, the founder of the English Defence League (EDL), is now consorting with various unsavoury types:

“Paul Ray, originator of the English Defence League, has found a new friend: Nick Greger, the German former neo-Nazi who is now a close associate of the Northern Ireland Loyalist Johnny Adair. On Ray’s blog, he and Greger pose together with a t-shirt glorifying Loyalist terrorist organisations as part of a gallery announcing the launch of “The Ancient Order of Templar Knights”. Other pictures feature Greger’s Tanzanian wife (wearing a Johnny Adair t-shirt) and an unnamed black man who represents “Ghana” to match Ray’s “England” and Greger’s “Germany”. The two men also sport fresh matching Star of David tattoos on their wrists.”

Paul Ray seems to have left the EDL, but, according to Richard, might still control an offshoot of the main EDL. Mr. Ray’s associations, even if he is no longer the leader of the EDL, are another blow to the EDL’s attempts to portray themselves as an organisation only devoted to attacking Islamic extremism, not Muslims/non-whites in general.


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  1. Shatterface — on 25th October, 2009 at 4:01 am  

    ‘On Ray’s blog, he and Greger pose together with a t-shirt glorifying Loyalist terrorist organisations as part of a gallery announcing the launch of “The Ancient Order of Templar Knights’

    See: Dan Brown was right.

    These fuckers are everywhere.

  2. Binky — on 25th October, 2009 at 4:53 am  

    Loyalists opposed Norn Iron being grabbed by Dublin once it had been – so the Republicans hoped – undermined by Adams and the IRA gang.

    How dreadful of them to offer real and armed opposition to traitors within Norn Iron, to the political class of Dublin and the betrayers in London!

    They should have rolled over and played dead tp please the political class in Dublin and London.

    Actually, I’m confused; so the EDL contains a man with a Tanzanian wife who is – er – “hostile to non-whites” or did I read that right?

    Actually, a few marriages are rather like that some of the time.

  3. Rumbold — on 25th October, 2009 at 11:22 am  

    Binky:

    Well, this is the question. Whether the EDL is against all non-whites/non-Christians, or just against Muslims?

  4. damon — on 25th October, 2009 at 11:58 am  

    Binky, the Loyalist resistance you talk about worked by wearing down any Republican will by commiting acts like these.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greysteel_

    As for the EDL, I wouldn’t pay too much attention to them. It’s not surprising that there is this reaction.
    I think that the way UAF operate and the way that Nick Griffin was treated on Question Time feed the EDL feeling of being sidelined.

    (But don’t get me wrong, they are very thick working class people).

  5. Andrew — on 25th October, 2009 at 12:50 pm  

    The EDL is a mixed bag – I think being against Muslims is the only thing they can agree on! Seems they are planning to invade Scotland!:

    http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/10/25/revealed-english-nazis-plot-to-bring-terror-to-streets-of-scotland-78057-21772012/

    Revealed: English Nazis plot to bring terror to streets of Scotland

    “The far-right trouble makers are planning to march in Glasgow under the banner of the Scottish Defence League near the country’s biggest Mosque. Despite portraying themselves as Scots, the right-wingers – including senior BNP activists – will travel to Scotland from Birmingham, Luton, London and Carlisle. The ragbag army of football hooligans, far-right activists and racist thugs want a confrontation with Scots Muslims.”

  6. Binky — on 25th October, 2009 at 3:07 pm  

    It is accepted as indisputable fact that Loyalists committed a great number of meaningless hideous atrocities.

    That said, even meaningless hideous atrocities and, later, targeted assinations [with or without the assistance and connivance of elements within the security forces] told the Republican terrorists, no mean committers of atrocities themselves, that there were other armed people in Norn Iron besides themselves and that Ulster would not go down without a fight.

  7. douglas clark — on 25th October, 2009 at 3:26 pm  

    Interesting stuff.

    Right wing organisations have always wanted to hijack Loyalist sentiment in the West of Scotland, and the Red Hand of Ulster is, one of, their symbols. I wonder if this is an attempt at allying with these folk.

    What with the SDL march in Glasgow, banned or not, being due on the 14th of November.

  8. Don — on 25th October, 2009 at 3:35 pm  

    …even meaningless hideous atrocities …told the Republican terrorists…that Ulster would not go down without a fight.

    So are you saying that they were not in fact meaningless but served a useful function, ‘sending a message’ to the Republicans?

    You seem ambivalent, were the Shankhill Butchers in your view offering real and armed opposition to traitors? Or were they sectarian psychos taking advantage of lawlessness to act out their inner needs?

  9. Binky — on 25th October, 2009 at 4:22 pm  

    My guess is that lumpen sectarian psychos were part of the very unpleasant reality – like the Ulster Workers’ Council and the intimidation which was involved in their strike – that prevented London simply submitting tamely to the Nationalists [remember them?] and the Dublin government.

    Vile and horrible people have their part in history, too.

  10. damon — on 25th October, 2009 at 4:31 pm  

    ” …. and the Red Hand of Ulster is, one of, their symbols”

    And they hijacked the red hand, which was an old Irish symbol and part of the nine county Ulster flag.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ulster

    I say don’t worry too much about the EDL, but if they got local loyalists coming out in Glasgow, then that would be a bit more sinister.

    I’d say the question should be, do UAF type protests help or hinder?
    At the moment I’m inclined to say that they hinder.

    Leafletting is the thing to do in my opinion. Not shouting and confronting. Just hand out leaflets to the general public that state what a bunch of thick troublemakers these EDL type people are.

    If they really are a lot of English amongst them, I think that there could be a lot of anger directed towards them.

    Alex Salmond could say something along these lines.
    ”Bloody English, coming up to Scotland to stir up trouble with our Muslims”.

  11. Don — on 25th October, 2009 at 4:43 pm  

    @9

    Fair enough.

    I do remember those times, although I don’t claim to be well versed in the finer points. But I’m not sure Dublin was actually all that keen on unification. Obviously there were sympathisers and considerable conivance within the government and security forces, but my impression at the time was that Dublin didn’t really want that particular bucket of shit in it’s own lap.

    Also not sure that policy in London was swayed by acts of back-alley butchery of random people. Why would it have been?

  12. Binky — on 25th October, 2009 at 5:30 pm  

    - 11 -
    Both the main parties in the Republic had unification as an article of faith; the reality was that the smartest 10% of people in the Republic knew that it was a non-starter.

    In 1969-1970 there were contingency plans for accomodating a guesstimated short-term [?] refugees from the North – at the very same time that Dublin politicians were running their mouths about the alleged sufferings of the ‘nationalist community’ heedless of the possible consequences.

    The back-alley butchery probably made people in London think more than twice about being seen to appease Dublin – in the sense of appearing to be too conciliatory.

    I still maintain that disbanding the B-Specials was a catastrophic error, both in terms of handing the enemy a propaganda victory and of keeping order without having recourse to the British Army.

    Anyway, it’s all over now. Or so we hope.

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