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  • BNP threaten British generals with hanging


    by Sunny
    20th October, 2009 at 4:32 pm    

    Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, if that were possible even more. The BNP website has an angry editorial today hitting back at the British generals who distanced themselves from the BNP. This is how the BNP editorial starts off:

    Those Tory generals who today attacked the British National Party should remember that at the Nuremburg Trials, the politicians and generals accused of waging illegal aggressive wars were all charged — and hanged — together.

    Is that a coded threat or explicit threat? Either way it sounds very very ominous. I bet the BNP will either change that or take it down very soon.

    Story also now on: Liberal Conspiracy, Political Scrapbook, Left Foot Forward and LabourList

    update: according to Sunder on Twitter, Nick Griffin is trying the it was a joke innit bruv! defence.


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    1. Carl — on 20th October, 2009 at 4:39 pm  

      This is the sort of message, by the BNP, that is sent in private from a fake email address, followed by the brief message of ‘just you watchit General, or I’ll ‘ave ya’. But since the BNP are no longer able to do secrecy, they make all their threatening messages public, to save us all the trouble I suppose.

    2. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells — on 20th October, 2009 at 4:51 pm  

      It’s not really a threat is it, they’ll never be in a position to carry it out.

      Slightly more interestingly they libelled Hain this morning, his office are apparently taking it quite seriously.

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_C0elMUI6cdk/St21x7HKzGI/AAAAAAAAAaE/6jSC5TybSDQ/s1600-h/libelhain.jpg

    3. jim jay — on 20th October, 2009 at 5:02 pm  

      They do seem to be getting aggressive recently. Simon Darby, the BNP’s deputy chairman, said the other day (about Question Time speakers) “If Bonnie Greer wants to enter the political arena, she’s got to realise if you want to play with the big boys then sometimes you’re going to get hurt.”

      Sounds like a threat to me… these BNP types don’t like it up ‘em do they? The problem is people really do get hurt and I’ve got renewed respect for Greer for agreeing to put her head above the parapet against the BNP.

    4. Sally Irving — on 20th October, 2009 at 5:12 pm  

      PAIN FOR HAIN
      AGAIN

      Hain was acquiited. He said that he was set up - BY WHOM? - ed. - for his pro-Palestinian views.

      Make what sense you can out of THAT!

    5. Leon — on 20th October, 2009 at 5:17 pm  

      Wow. Have to say of the stupidest responses that the BNP could give that’s definitely one of thickest!

    6. irrelephant — on 20th October, 2009 at 5:52 pm  

      Just goes to show how weakened the BNP become when exposed to the light, they were alot scarier when they were creeping around gathering “grass roots support”

      Now they´re out, they´ve had mult-ethnic membership forced on them, they´ve visibly had to change their rhetoric, the racist element are calling them soft, all those who voted for them because they were unhappy about immigration will go back to their traditional parties the more they get put on the back foot and end come out with this tripe, either that or they´ll become very mainstream and then what does it matter anyway…

    7. Andy Gilmour — on 20th October, 2009 at 6:03 pm  

      Bizarre timing, just before they get to appear on QT, surely?

      The only way Griffin can wriggle away from this one is by desperately claiming it doesn’t mean what it, er, rather obviously means, or blaming it on his subordinates being idiots.

      As daft as daffy duck…

    8. Adnan — on 20th October, 2009 at 6:07 pm  

      If they think they can publish this kind of thing at an official level they are incredibly confident or stupid or both.

      I took a look at Harry’s place and the position (as espoused by a certain representative with an LLB (Hons)) is one of contempt for: the generals (Tories waiting for peerages), the Tories (on the decline, and armed Saddam), and the government for waging the wars. Of course, they are all sympathy for the soldiers themselves, but then again trying to smear Simon Weston and Andy McNab.

    9. Raj — on 20th October, 2009 at 6:29 pm  

      I bet the BNP will either change that or take it down very soon.

      Too late even if they did. It was Nick Griffin himself who wrote that statement and it’s already all over the major news networks.

    10. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells — on 20th October, 2009 at 7:32 pm  

      Of course, they are all sympathy for the soldiers themselves

      Except for Johnson Beharry (or - ‘that brown one’) who won the Victoria cross, apparently because of “positive discrimination by the PC-mad government”.

    11. Rumbold — on 20th October, 2009 at 8:05 pm  

      Threatening British military personnel with violence- if they were Muslims they would probably be in custody by now.

    12. KB Player — on 20th October, 2009 at 8:51 pm  

      Rumbold - at least the Daily Mail would have screaming headlines “Muslims threaten to hang generals.”

      This won’t go down well though & may really be an own goal of the BNP.

    13. Rumbold — on 20th October, 2009 at 8:54 pm  

      KB Player:

      I do think it will haunt them.

    14. Leon — on 20th October, 2009 at 9:01 pm  

      #10

      very well said.

    15. Nyrone — on 20th October, 2009 at 10:57 pm  

      ‘It was a joke’ ahh, that old chestnut.

    16. damon — on 20th October, 2009 at 11:21 pm  

      I didn’t see it so much as a threat (as the BNP would have no way of carrying out such a threat), but from seeing him on Channel 4 news tonight, he seems to be arguing that being to drawn into illegal wars was criminal.
      He says that wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have nothing to do with keeping Britain safe from attack and that therefore (by his logic) the dead and wounded British soldiers have been let down by a kind of treason.

    17. Don — on 20th October, 2009 at 11:52 pm  

      damon,

      Senior military (retired) officers asked the BNP to stop being parasitical on the military’s reputation. They responded by talking about hanging generals. I think their logic is clear.

      They have already been told to put the poppies back in the box.

    18. damon — on 21st October, 2009 at 1:36 am  

      Don,I do agree that saying that there was ”wide BNP support from rank-and-file soldiers” is pretty outrageous, but using WW2 images of spitfires and even Winston Churchill seems OK (even though it’s loathsome too).
      Churchill was seriously reactionary, and the modern military doesn’t own the history of what happened in WW2 anymore than anyone else.

      On the poppy issue, that’s fair enough. But I’ve sometimes wondered what the politics of the average drinker at a British Legion club might be when it came to things like immigration.

    19. Pat Harrington — on 21st October, 2009 at 6:52 am  

      I think there is a case for putting the Politicians and Generals on trial. Areas that could be considered are:-

      1: Deceit and conspiracy for war, and providing false news to incite passions for war, causing in the order of one million deaths, 4 million refugees, countless maimings and traumas.

      2: Employing radioactive ammunition causing long-term destruction of the planetary habitat.

      3: Causing the breakdown of civil administration, with consequent lawlessness, especially looting, kidnapping, and violence, and consequent breakdown of womens’ rights, of religious freedom, and child and adult education.

      4: Failing to maintain the medical needs of the populace.

      5: Despoliation of the cultural heritage of the country.

      6: Supporting an ally that employs ‘waterboarding’ and other tortures.

      7: Seizing the assets of Iraq.

      8: Using inhumane restraints on prisoners, including dogs, hoods, and cable ties.

      9: Using Aggressive Patrolling indiscriminately, traumatising women and children and wrecking homes and property.

      10: Marking bodies of prisoners with numbers, writing, faeces and other degrading treatment.

      11: The use of cluster bombs and other indiscriminate weapons including white phosphorous on “shake and bake” missions.

      12: Supporting indiscriminate rocket attacks from F16 fighter planes on women and children in Fallujah in Nov 2004

      13: Supporting the shooting up of ambulances and medical personnel in Fallujah in Nov 2004

      14: Supporting the expulsion of the entire population of Fallujah save for young men of military age, for a reprisal attack on that city in Nov 2004.

    20. Pat Harrington — on 21st October, 2009 at 6:56 am  

      On the question of Poppies I recall that a Left group got a lot of flack when they produced and sold White ones. At that time the Legion and Poppy Appeal were at pains to say that the Red Poppy was for the whole nation and the group were being divisive. Now they are attacking Nick Griffin on the basis he is wearing a Poppy! Isn’t this somewhat inconsistent? Do they want everyone to support the appeal or not?

    21. Dalbir — on 21st October, 2009 at 7:42 am  

      This is actually great. If only we could see some of the warmongering WASPS strung up for their deception. Top of the list should be Blair and his bum-chums. England seriously needs some “sharp shock” to help it overcome its destructive colonial/interfering instinct.

      But truth be told, had the recent wars been swiftly won, I am sure old cross eyes would have been spinning it as another example of how the British are so superior to the rest of us uncivilised darkies.

      Turns out that the Brits are actually crap warriors now they don’t have their imperial subjects to help bail them out in their bullshit wars. Ha ha!

    22. Ravi Naik — on 21st October, 2009 at 8:07 am  

      Let me get this straight - so there was a great deal done when a few Islamist protesters accused the military coming from Iraq of being butchers and terrorists (something I find utterly disgusting), and now we have the BNP saying that the generals could be hanged for war crimes in Iraq? Not sure what is worse.

    23. Ravi Naik — on 21st October, 2009 at 8:10 am  

      On the poppy issue, that’s fair enough. But I’ve sometimes wondered what the politics of the average drinker at a British Legion club might be when it came to things like immigration.

      Whatever their views are, it doesn’t make them BNP voters.

    24. billericaydicky — on 21st October, 2009 at 8:30 am  

      Is the Pat Harrington @19 the former NF member and big pal of Griffin’s Patrick Harrington?

    25. Pat Harrington — on 21st October, 2009 at 9:39 am  

      Sure am Billericaydicky so what?
      My politics and his differ.

      As to Poppies I see Brown launching an appeal today in the paper. How is it right for him (warmongering useless swine that he is) to associate himself with this and not for others. He is responsible for many of the injuries for sending soldiers out to fight with poor kit in the first place. Hypocrite!

    26. Leon — on 21st October, 2009 at 10:19 am  

      Odd, my comment above was in reference to Rumbolds statement about Muslims originally…

    27. Ravi Naik — on 21st October, 2009 at 10:28 am  

      The irony, of course, is that the BNP sees itself as martyrs of freedom of speech - and when the generals exercised their right, Nick Griffin responds by threatening to hang them.

      This is all over the news. What a stupid stupid thing to say just days before appearing in QT. Please, give them a platform and the spotlight, and they will bring the rope and end this freak show.

    28. Adnan — on 21st October, 2009 at 10:55 am  

      Even though Nick said it was “black humour” (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2009/10/bnps_hang_gener.html) on comment pages e.g. daily mail article the BNP supporters who post are using the arguments such as the generals are toffs who are part of a Tory / Establishment stitch-up and that
      BNP has huge support amongst ordinary soldiers. Other arguments are that the generals / politicians don’t fight and send the troops into battle ill-equipped. In other words, these BNP supporters seem pretty unapologetic for those remarks.

    29. Abdul Abbulbul Emir — on 21st October, 2009 at 1:50 pm  

      As Mrs A was saying to me,

      ‘you know it is jolly bad thing that generals get involved in politics. We left our beloved homeland after all because of such interferings’

      We came to England who stopped this army rule stuff after Cromwell left’.

      I have to say Mr Griffin is right to robustly respond to rude military men. They started political discourse complaining of BNP support for army history.

      They also illegally invaded a country very close to my own. They should shut up….

      Mrs A agrees.

      Peace be upon me.

    30. Adnan — on 21st October, 2009 at 2:13 pm  

      So, Abdul, does BNP Central think it’s “black humour” or a “robust” response ?

    31. Dalbir — on 21st October, 2009 at 3:20 pm  

      we,ll see what fight the Brits have come the civil war.

      Yep, if that’s how you want it. Besides, don’t forget that there will be plenty of Brits who WONT be on the side of their more backward, deranged and hatefilled countrymen. Go ahead, drag this island back to another dark age.

      Pat ‘NF’ Harrington. So you think it is okay to attack and abuse ‘Asian’ families do you?

    32. Gerry — on 21st October, 2009 at 5:37 pm  

      On Generals and war …

      http://vdare.com/buchanan/091005_generals.htm

      Go Pat go!

    33. Dalbir — on 21st October, 2009 at 7:08 pm  

      Flipside

      Yep.

      Some of us remember the last time the NF tried to grab power.

      This time you’ll have greater numbers to deal with, as well as more wise and experienced people. Don’t think you whites have a monopoly on bravery. Watch the world get inspired by ‘ethnics’ fighting hate filled thugs against the odds in the UK.

      Remember your own people started all this by invading countries trying to steal whatever they wanted from non whites.

      If the concept of karma is true then Anglo-Saxons have a lot of the bad type coming to them.

      Be prepared……..muah muah haha!

    34. Adnan — on 21st October, 2009 at 7:14 pm  

      At least flipside does try not hide his thuggish interior unlike some of the other BNP supporters. Civil war - sheesh.

    35. damon — on 21st October, 2009 at 10:56 pm  

      Patrick Harrinton, were you a friend of Joe Pearce too when he was editor of the YNF paper ‘Bulldog’?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Pearce#Life

      I knew a few Young National Front back then, and I once heard him give a speech (in Maidstone I think) where he called for US bases in the UK to be closed down, and where he made some reference to their ”N*g*er infested armies”.

      Maybe just a youthful indiscretion?

      But I’d be intersted to know (seriously) what it was like for you when you encounterd all those protests by students at the Polytechnic of North London in 1984.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Harrington#Polytechnic_of_North_London_protests

      I do not like your politics, but it must have been scary all the same with so many people out for your blood. I remember seeing some TV footage on the news, and it was a a Grunwicks style battle almost, between the police and the students outside the PNL building.

    36. Binky — on 22nd October, 2009 at 8:10 am  

      Thank you, Damon

      Damon posted a link which led to another link about a by-election in Vauxhall in 1989 and there was the name of Don Milligan, whom I knew in Lancaster in the sixties and early seventies, standing as a Revolutionary Communist.

      Some steadfast souls cling, and have steadfastly clung, unswervingly - indeed, incurably - to crank politics.

      For them , there MUST be a Heaven rather like that depicted in Jehovah’s Witness literature, but full of Marx and Engels and Trotsky and the whole gang.

    37. Pat Harrington — on 25th October, 2009 at 6:17 pm  

      Hi Damon

      I despised Joe Pearce then and I despise him now. This is on both a political and personal basis.

      To answer your second question it was all surreal. I kind of went on automatic. The more they attacked me the more I was determined they would not win. I have always hated bullying and react against anyone trying to bully me or who I see bullying someone else.

    38. damon — on 26th October, 2009 at 7:33 pm  

      Hi Pat Harrington.

      I guess ‘going on automatic’ was a pretty normal reaction for a person to have when finding themselves in the middle of such a storm. I think I would have run away backpacking to Asia or Australia under such circumstances.

      I had a look at your website and it does seem a much better place to be at as a human being than being part of the old National Front. I’m afraid that some of my friends from back then never got out of that dreadful mindset. I still see some of them from time to time, and it’s sad that they never got over their bigotry.

      Joe Pearce seems to have had a journey of sorts too.
      From that sick ‘Bulldog’ stuff to some strange Catholic view of the world.

      I see that Searchlight and the ‘Socialist Unity’ website still have strong misgivings about your party.
      And I’d be concerned about any ideas of ”cultural isolation” being maintained.

      But if the quotation from you I saw on wikipedia is really what you said (about regretting many things from your past), then that’s fair enough.

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