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	<title>Comments on: Shehzad Tanweer on TV</title>
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		<title>By: Tanvir</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27261</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanvir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How do you think I make money by talking about Muslim 
issues Tanvir? Do you think PP makes money? &lt;/i&gt;

Its not about money . . . .  more a vocation? I donâ€™t have qualms with you investing time  making your voice heard, quite the opposite actually, also assuming you find it fulfilling.

With regards to the conspiracy theories, I think with history telling us that false flag operations have occurred, by western nations more than others, people have every right to question what they are told. It is up to the individual to decide what happened, and a sensible person would make or change opinions on the evidence as it arrives.

Questioning how genuine the claim that the London bombers carried out the attacks on the current evidence, would mean having to believe they were being watched and were identified as ones sympathetic to terrorist measures and were allowed and even indirectly helped by the intelligence services to forward political targets i.e. to keep the public on their toes so they accept further major action by government or b) the bombers were actually commissioned by the intelligence services and all these videos including the ones of the bombers statements were orchestrated by the intelligence agencies!

Both of which I think are unlikely and the more evidence that came out after the London bombings the more of an imagination you would require to still believe the conspiracy theories.

As much as there are people doing good work to tackle the rise of extremism, I just cant see how such atrocities can be stopped, even if 99.9recurring% of people understand itâ€™s a bad idea, there still could be just one or two people, and thatâ€™s all it takes.

I think moving to the most neutral country possible is the way forward!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How do you think I make money by talking about Muslim<br />
issues Tanvir? Do you think PP makes money? </i></p>
<p>Its not about money . . . .  more a vocation? I donâ€™t have qualms with you investing time  making your voice heard, quite the opposite actually, also assuming you find it fulfilling.</p>
<p>With regards to the conspiracy theories, I think with history telling us that false flag operations have occurred, by western nations more than others, people have every right to question what they are told. It is up to the individual to decide what happened, and a sensible person would make or change opinions on the evidence as it arrives.</p>
<p>Questioning how genuine the claim that the London bombers carried out the attacks on the current evidence, would mean having to believe they were being watched and were identified as ones sympathetic to terrorist measures and were allowed and even indirectly helped by the intelligence services to forward political targets i.e. to keep the public on their toes so they accept further major action by government or b) the bombers were actually commissioned by the intelligence services and all these videos including the ones of the bombers statements were orchestrated by the intelligence agencies!</p>
<p>Both of which I think are unlikely and the more evidence that came out after the London bombings the more of an imagination you would require to still believe the conspiracy theories.</p>
<p>As much as there are people doing good work to tackle the rise of extremism, I just cant see how such atrocities can be stopped, even if 99.9recurring% of people understand itâ€™s a bad idea, there still could be just one or two people, and thatâ€™s all it takes.</p>
<p>I think moving to the most neutral country possible is the way forward!</p>
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		<title>By: BollywoodScum</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27173</link>
		<dc:creator>BollywoodScum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 17:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanweer *didn&#039;t* mention Kashmir in his rollcall Of Reasons Why London Commuters Must Be Punished did he?
Wonder why that was? Has it fallen off the map now  in Jihadi terms? His family being from there as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanweer *didn&#8217;t* mention Kashmir in his rollcall Of Reasons Why London Commuters Must Be Punished did he?<br />
Wonder why that was? Has it fallen off the map now  in Jihadi terms? His family being from there as well.</p>
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		<title>By: SickOfLies</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27093</link>
		<dc:creator>SickOfLies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 11:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I hate motherfucker terrorists, apologists for Islamist fascism, and testicle cancers who abound conspiracy theories like the smelly one above called sickoflies - because they are against all the things I love. &quot;

And what may that be? Being a lying lacky for the government? 
Christ, I&#039;d love you to say that to my face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I hate motherfucker terrorists, apologists for Islamist fascism, and testicle cancers who abound conspiracy theories like the smelly one above called sickoflies &#8211; because they are against all the things I love. &#8221;</p>
<p>And what may that be? Being a lying lacky for the government?<br />
Christ, I&#8217;d love you to say that to my face.</p>
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		<title>By: Cisoux</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27090</link>
		<dc:creator>Cisoux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 11:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonia - you are wrong. I am a LOVE filled person. I love life, freedom, art, music, literature, joy and summer evenings.  I hate motherfucker terrorists, apologists for Islamist fascism, and testicle cancers who abound conspiracy theories like the smelly one above called sickoflies - because they are against all the things I love. I am a man of deep and abiding LOVE for the world and humanity, and that is why I despise dunces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia &#8211; you are wrong. I am a LOVE filled person. I love life, freedom, art, music, literature, joy and summer evenings.  I hate motherfucker terrorists, apologists for Islamist fascism, and testicle cancers who abound conspiracy theories like the smelly one above called sickoflies &#8211; because they are against all the things I love. I am a man of deep and abiding LOVE for the world and humanity, and that is why I despise dunces.</p>
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		<title>By: waxon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27082</link>
		<dc:creator>waxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whats your arguement?
fact is tanweer was known to the m15.
a public inquiry will hopefully settle a few of the disrepencies...the cancelled &quot;7.40 train&quot; the &#039;bombers&#039; had taken from luton and the conflicting eye-witness reports :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whats your arguement?<br />
fact is tanweer was known to the m15.<br />
a public inquiry will hopefully settle a few of the disrepencies&#8230;the cancelled &#8220;7.40 train&#8221; the &#8216;bombers&#8217; had taken from luton and the conflicting eye-witness reports <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Naik</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27063</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Naik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;what i said whas about the general principle of innocent until proven guilty - and that certainly is the hallmark of a free and unrepressive society, i donâ€™t see why emphasizing that means anyone is in denial. Really!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You raise a good point, Sonia. But in this case, what form of evidence would you need to convince you that those four individuals commited that crime? Two of them have already confessed on video, and then you have Al Qaeda confirming it. 

If there is something good coming out of this tragic affair is that it give us the resolve to erradicate the problem. But if people deny it, then it makes it all the more frustrating.

Yesterday on More4 News, someone who had been investigating one of the bombers and had been talking with the family since the bombings, came out saying that this guy was ambitious, hardworking, went to university, who cared about his community. And then said... &lt;i&gt;we need people like him in Britain!&lt;/i&gt;

What the fuck is wrong with our media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;what i said whas about the general principle of innocent until proven guilty &#8211; and that certainly is the hallmark of a free and unrepressive society, i donâ€™t see why emphasizing that means anyone is in denial. Really!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You raise a good point, Sonia. But in this case, what form of evidence would you need to convince you that those four individuals commited that crime? Two of them have already confessed on video, and then you have Al Qaeda confirming it. </p>
<p>If there is something good coming out of this tragic affair is that it give us the resolve to erradicate the problem. But if people deny it, then it makes it all the more frustrating.</p>
<p>Yesterday on More4 News, someone who had been investigating one of the bombers and had been talking with the family since the bombings, came out saying that this guy was ambitious, hardworking, went to university, who cared about his community. And then said&#8230; <i>we need people like him in Britain!</i></p>
<p>What the fuck is wrong with our media?</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27054</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Leon,

I have seven words for you: liver, pancreas, and waking up to ugly chicks.

LOLâ€¦.
&quot;

Hah hah, don&#039;t we all have the right though to choose the manner in which we go to hell?:P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Leon,</p>
<p>I have seven words for you: liver, pancreas, and waking up to ugly chicks.</p>
<p>LOLâ€¦.<br />
&#8221;</p>
<p>Hah hah, don&#8217;t we all have the right though to choose the manner in which we go to hell?:P</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27053</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zak - heh. That&#039;s all rabbits think about though isn&#039;t it? I wish I was a rabbit.... :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zak &#8211; heh. That&#8217;s all rabbits think about though isn&#8217;t it? I wish I was a rabbit&#8230;. <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27052</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FalseFlag - please kindly fuck off. We welcome debates here not stupid conspiracy theories. Most of the &quot;points&quot; that you pose have already been dealt with if people look hard enough (the train timings thing for example). I&#039;m gonna keep deleting your bullshit unless you go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FalseFlag &#8211; please kindly fuck off. We welcome debates here not stupid conspiracy theories. Most of the &#8220;points&#8221; that you pose have already been dealt with if people look hard enough (the train timings thing for example). I&#8217;m gonna keep deleting your bullshit unless you go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Zak</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27050</link>
		<dc:creator>Zak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny: I meant about the rabbits..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny: I meant about the rabbits..</p>
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		<title>By: Lopakhin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27048</link>
		<dc:creator>Lopakhin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither of those links work for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither of those links work for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27045</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Lopakhin, I thought that you- like our paranoid pal- thought the BMA and The Lancet shared the same offices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Lopakhin, I thought that you- like our paranoid pal- thought the BMA and The Lancet shared the same offices.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27044</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh heh typo - i&#039;m not in denial. &#039;you are part of the problem&#039;  - people love throwing that around don&#039;t they.

if you want to know what i think cisoux - you can read this - http://sonia.pickledpolitics.com/2006/07/06/seventh-of-july-one-year-on/

i&#039;m sure we differ - you sound like a hate-filled person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh heh typo &#8211; i&#8217;m not in denial. &#8216;you are part of the problem&#8217;  &#8211; people love throwing that around don&#8217;t they.</p>
<p>if you want to know what i think cisoux &#8211; you can read this &#8211; <a href="http://sonia.pickledpolitics.com/2006/07/06/seventh-of-july-one-year-on/" rel="nofollow">http://sonia.pickledpolitics.com/2006/07/06/seventh-of-july-one-year-on/</a></p>
<p>i&#8217;m sure we differ &#8211; you sound like a hate-filled person.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha cisoux im on in denial i think you are. obviously the bombs happened and there are bombers are out there. its hardly suprising the father of one of the people accused as -don puts it- is having difficulty dealing with that.  what i said whas about the general principle of innocent until proven guilty - and that certainly is the hallmark of a free and unrepressive society, i don&#039;t see why emphasizing that means anyone is in denial. Really!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha cisoux im on in denial i think you are. obviously the bombs happened and there are bombers are out there. its hardly suprising the father of one of the people accused as -don puts it- is having difficulty dealing with that.  what i said whas about the general principle of innocent until proven guilty &#8211; and that certainly is the hallmark of a free and unrepressive society, i don&#8217;t see why emphasizing that means anyone is in denial. Really!</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/626#comment-27042</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#31 here, here

#32 False here is a riddle for you: you are neither in the river, nor out of the river. Where are you? You in De Nile. Boom Boom (both puns intended)

#35 It would help greatly if his father wasn&#039;t in a state of denial, it would help Muppets like FalseFlag come to terms with the reality the rest of us occupy.

To believe that these kids are Martyrs requires a belief that these kids did it. Therefore the &quot;13% of Muslims&quot; think that these lads are Martyrs must belief that this kids did it. We ought add to this figure to the number of idiots that don&#039;t think that these kids did it.

If someone believes that they didn&#039;t do it AND they are martyrs means that they are pathologically stupid and shouldn&#039;t be trusted with sharp objects.

So FalseFlag, do you consider these kids both Martyrs AND innocent? Should you be trusted with pointy things?

Cheers,

TFI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31 here, here</p>
<p>#32 False here is a riddle for you: you are neither in the river, nor out of the river. Where are you? You in De Nile. Boom Boom (both puns intended)</p>
<p>#35 It would help greatly if his father wasn&#8217;t in a state of denial, it would help Muppets like FalseFlag come to terms with the reality the rest of us occupy.</p>
<p>To believe that these kids are Martyrs requires a belief that these kids did it. Therefore the &#8220;13% of Muslims&#8221; think that these lads are Martyrs must belief that this kids did it. We ought add to this figure to the number of idiots that don&#8217;t think that these kids did it.</p>
<p>If someone believes that they didn&#8217;t do it AND they are martyrs means that they are pathologically stupid and shouldn&#8217;t be trusted with sharp objects.</p>
<p>So FalseFlag, do you consider these kids both Martyrs AND innocent? Should you be trusted with pointy things?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>TFI</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah don&#039;s right about post no. 35</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah don&#8217;s right about post no. 35</p>
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		<title>By: Lopakhin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lopakhin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am aware of that, but the point about the Lancet, relating to its comments on Iraq, still seems to be wrong - its offices are separate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am aware of that, but the point about the Lancet, relating to its comments on Iraq, still seems to be wrong &#8211; its offices are separate.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BMA House is in Tavistock Square, actually. I don&#039;t see what its presence is meant to prove to the people who believe it&#039;s Them What Done It. They carefully murder or maim a few people but mercifully make sure the explosion takes place just outside the BMA&#039;s HQ so plenty of doctors would be on hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BMA House is in Tavistock Square, actually. I don&#8217;t see what its presence is meant to prove to the people who believe it&#8217;s Them What Done It. They carefully murder or maim a few people but mercifully make sure the explosion takes place just outside the BMA&#8217;s HQ so plenty of doctors would be on hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt that the bombers were the bombers and I can&#039;t be bothered to read any more rambling conspiracy melanges, but I don&#039;t find it suprising that a father  can&#039;t come to terms with his son being a mass murderer and is clutching at straws. That&#039;s nothing to get all worked up about, surely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that the bombers were the bombers and I can&#8217;t be bothered to read any more rambling conspiracy melanges, but I don&#8217;t find it suprising that a father  can&#8217;t come to terms with his son being a mass murderer and is clutching at straws. That&#8217;s nothing to get all worked up about, surely.</p>
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		<title>By: Lopakhin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lopakhin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
Among extraordinary coincidences here are the location of the blast, just outside the offices of The BMA and The Lancet, which had ruffled feathers with its research that 100,000 civilians had died in Iraq, and also the location of a van from a company which among other things offers specialist controlled explosions - which appears to have been level with the back of the bus, though doubtless is entirely innocent.&lt;/i&gt;

L.o.l., first time I&#039;ve heard that one. But as a visit to their website confirms, their offices are actually in Camden Town, about a mile away from Tavistock Square.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelancet.com/about/contact&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thelancet.com/about/contact&lt;/a&gt;

The Lancet Offices:

London
32 Jamestown Road, London NW1 7BY, UK 
Tel: +44 (0) 20 7424 4910</description>
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Among extraordinary coincidences here are the location of the blast, just outside the offices of The BMA and The Lancet, which had ruffled feathers with its research that 100,000 civilians had died in Iraq, and also the location of a van from a company which among other things offers specialist controlled explosions &#8211; which appears to have been level with the back of the bus, though doubtless is entirely innocent.</i></p>
<p>L.o.l., first time I&#8217;ve heard that one. But as a visit to their website confirms, their offices are actually in Camden Town, about a mile away from Tavistock Square.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thelancet.com/about/contact" rel="nofollow">http://www.thelancet.com/about/contact</a></p>
<p>The Lancet Offices:</p>
<p>London<br />
32 Jamestown Road, London NW1 7BY, UK<br />
Tel: +44 (0) 20 7424 4910</p>
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