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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-27163</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Britblog Roundup #73...&lt;/strong&gt;

Welcome once again to the Britblog thingie, your list of the poststhat you think should be brought to everyoneâ€™s attention. You can make your nominations for next week by emailing the URL to britblog AT gmail DOT com. Just whatever...</description>
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<p>Welcome once again to the Britblog thingie, your list of the poststhat you think should be brought to everyoneâ€™s attention. You can make your nominations for next week by emailing the URL to britblog AT gmail DOT com. Just whatever&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: leanne</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-27080</link>
		<dc:creator>leanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikhair 
people like jonz?
 Im sorry but not all muslims are the same, and please define the democracy they hate so much.
plus if the people of Iraqi dont want it why are they risking their lives to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikhair<br />
people like jonz?<br />
 Im sorry but not all muslims are the same, and please define the democracy they hate so much.<br />
plus if the people of Iraqi dont want it why are they risking their lives to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi4</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-27072</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting yet another survey, according to the Feb 2006 BBC World Service poll ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_02_06world_poll.pdf ) 49% of Iraqis want coalition forces to stay in Iraq until it becomes stable, rising to 51% if the Iraqi Government asks the forces to stay.  Interestingly, 34% of the French and 36% of Iranians also want coalition forces to stay until Iraq becomes stable, rising to 60% of the French and 74% of Iranians if the Iraqi Government asks the forces to stay.

This site ( http://www.iraqanalysis.org/info/55 ) is worth saving if (like me) youâ€™re totally sad and you want to keep track of Opinion polls in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting yet another survey, according to the Feb 2006 BBC World Service poll ( <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_02_06world_poll.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_02_06world_poll.pdf</a> ) 49% of Iraqis want coalition forces to stay in Iraq until it becomes stable, rising to 51% if the Iraqi Government asks the forces to stay.  Interestingly, 34% of the French and 36% of Iranians also want coalition forces to stay until Iraq becomes stable, rising to 60% of the French and 74% of Iranians if the Iraqi Government asks the forces to stay.</p>
<p>This site ( <a href="http://www.iraqanalysis.org/info/55" rel="nofollow">http://www.iraqanalysis.org/info/55</a> ) is worth saving if (like me) youâ€™re totally sad and you want to keep track of Opinion polls in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Bikhair aka Taqiyyah</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-27012</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikhair aka Taqiyyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 03:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leanne,

I was being a jerk. I only said that because people like jOnz love to elevate their token Arabs or Muslims depending on what point they are trying to make not realizing that Muslims are all the same be they in London or Baghdad. I say that not because I believe it but due to the inconsistency with which Muslims are dealt by his ilk gives that impression so long as they can drive their point home. 

Surely if Muslims in Europe hate democracy, they hate it in Iraq as well. That having been said I have to ask why is the Coalition of the Willing still there? Sometimes it suits their agenda to nationalize Muslim people which is why I remind them of who these people really are: Iraqi=Muslims. 

Muslims love to fight each other more than non Muslims. Really there is nothing more threatening to us then each other. A non Muslim is easily dimissed but another Muslim poses serious religious conundrums for us. Dam those Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leanne,</p>
<p>I was being a jerk. I only said that because people like jOnz love to elevate their token Arabs or Muslims depending on what point they are trying to make not realizing that Muslims are all the same be they in London or Baghdad. I say that not because I believe it but due to the inconsistency with which Muslims are dealt by his ilk gives that impression so long as they can drive their point home. </p>
<p>Surely if Muslims in Europe hate democracy, they hate it in Iraq as well. That having been said I have to ask why is the Coalition of the Willing still there? Sometimes it suits their agenda to nationalize Muslim people which is why I remind them of who these people really are: Iraqi=Muslims. </p>
<p>Muslims love to fight each other more than non Muslims. Really there is nothing more threatening to us then each other. A non Muslim is easily dimissed but another Muslim poses serious religious conundrums for us. Dam those Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: leanne</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26999</link>
		<dc:creator>leanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikhair,
they ARE Iraqis .....
and dont forget it is  muslims from outside Iraq who are fighting against the establishment of an Iraqi government and the Iraqi army (who are also muslim.)
muslim fighting muslim...why????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikhair,<br />
they ARE Iraqis &#8230;..<br />
and dont forget it is  muslims from outside Iraq who are fighting against the establishment of an Iraqi government and the Iraqi army (who are also muslim.)<br />
muslim fighting muslim&#8230;why????</p>
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		<title>By: Nyrone</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26997</link>
		<dc:creator>Nyrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who should Channel 4 have called on to do the debate then? Can someone please offer some constructive opinions about soloutions rather than bleat out their old tried and tested armchair blog warrior rubbish, that simply exists to act as a prelude to the delecious possibility of an online confrontational melee wankfest. Words, contridictions, self-conviction...This place is feeling more and more like a battleground, with people like JONZ and their gangsta siege mentality talking out of their arses and perpetuating factually inaccurate bitchy slagging matches that are taking place as norm...

I think bringing on Hamza Yusuf, Tariq Ramadan or Shami Chakrabarti might have been a more interesting move given the circumstances. I remember listening to Azzam Tammimi at a conference in London a few years ago, and he began to cry when talking about the suffering of the Palestinians at the hands of the Israel Army, that he had witnessed firsthand. He&#039;s just very emotional on this issue, it seems like he&#039;s not thinking straight. It seemed that he was doing his level best to be a tactical politician with his evasive approach to answering questions about suicide bombers....but then how can he and Bukhari be mirror images of each other, when one condones suicide bombings, and the other does not. That seems like a pretty big ideological gap to me.

I did think Asghar Bukhari&#039;s final comment... that young Muslims should learn and be equipped with the ability to make peaceful changes in their country through democratic means was a positive step in re-shifting the focus of this &#039;extremism&#039; label on the alienated and disenfranchised British Asian Youth who seem permenantly locked out of the political process of this country. I expected him to say &quot;Blair, Resign!&quot; but what he did say turned out to be much more credible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who should Channel 4 have called on to do the debate then? Can someone please offer some constructive opinions about soloutions rather than bleat out their old tried and tested armchair blog warrior rubbish, that simply exists to act as a prelude to the delecious possibility of an online confrontational melee wankfest. Words, contridictions, self-conviction&#8230;This place is feeling more and more like a battleground, with people like JONZ and their gangsta siege mentality talking out of their arses and perpetuating factually inaccurate bitchy slagging matches that are taking place as norm&#8230;</p>
<p>I think bringing on Hamza Yusuf, Tariq Ramadan or Shami Chakrabarti might have been a more interesting move given the circumstances. I remember listening to Azzam Tammimi at a conference in London a few years ago, and he began to cry when talking about the suffering of the Palestinians at the hands of the Israel Army, that he had witnessed firsthand. He&#8217;s just very emotional on this issue, it seems like he&#8217;s not thinking straight. It seemed that he was doing his level best to be a tactical politician with his evasive approach to answering questions about suicide bombers&#8230;.but then how can he and Bukhari be mirror images of each other, when one condones suicide bombings, and the other does not. That seems like a pretty big ideological gap to me.</p>
<p>I did think Asghar Bukhari&#8217;s final comment&#8230; that young Muslims should learn and be equipped with the ability to make peaceful changes in their country through democratic means was a positive step in re-shifting the focus of this &#8216;extremism&#8217; label on the alienated and disenfranchised British Asian Youth who seem permenantly locked out of the political process of this country. I expected him to say &#8220;Blair, Resign!&#8221; but what he did say turned out to be much more credible.</p>
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		<title>By: alison</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26995</link>
		<dc:creator>alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sid, i think JOnz pointed out that it was based on priorities - what bothers them most isnt the coalition prescence. Earlier this year, 64% of Iraqis polled said that the country was headed in the right direction though and 77% are pleased with the removal of SH. If that helps. Iraqi Security Forces were estimated at between 7,000-9,000 at the end of last year. They numbered 250,500 in March of this year. Once they are able to manage im sure then they would like coaltion forces to withdraw - they are making progress with the coalitions help. You must see there is therefore NO intention of this &#039;long haul&#039; you mention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sid, i think JOnz pointed out that it was based on priorities &#8211; what bothers them most isnt the coalition prescence. Earlier this year, 64% of Iraqis polled said that the country was headed in the right direction though and 77% are pleased with the removal of SH. If that helps. Iraqi Security Forces were estimated at between 7,000-9,000 at the end of last year. They numbered 250,500 in March of this year. Once they are able to manage im sure then they would like coaltion forces to withdraw &#8211; they are making progress with the coalitions help. You must see there is therefore NO intention of this &#8216;long haul&#8217; you mention.</p>
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		<title>By: Bikhair aka Taqiyyah</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26993</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikhair aka Taqiyyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jOnz,

&quot;76% of Iraqis think it was right to remove Saddam. But theyâ€™re easy to forget arenâ€™t they?&quot;

But 24% didnt think Saddam should have been removed and like all stats that exist to describe Muslims it is always important to brandish the minority view. BTW they arent Iraqis they are Muslim same as the ones you have in Britian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jOnz,</p>
<p>&#8220;76% of Iraqis think it was right to remove Saddam. But theyâ€™re easy to forget arenâ€™t they?&#8221;</p>
<p>But 24% didnt think Saddam should have been removed and like all stats that exist to describe Muslims it is always important to brandish the minority view. BTW they arent Iraqis they are Muslim same as the ones you have in Britian.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26990</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;sudden&quot;? Thats not what I asked. Do 91% of Iraq people want USA to remain for &lt;i&gt;the long haul&lt;/i&gt; as per your poll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;sudden&#8221;? Thats not what I asked. Do 91% of Iraq people want USA to remain for <i>the long haul</i> as per your poll?</p>
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		<title>By: jonz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26989</link>
		<dc:creator>jonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sid that&#039;s all rather academic. It&#039;s all very well for people sitting in the armchairs talk to of &quot;imperialism&quot; or &quot;occupation&quot;, but Iraqi&#039;s just want security. They know full well an immediate withdrawal would disastrous, as I&#039;m sure you do, on some level at least.

Iraqi&#039;s are understandably MOST bothered about terrorism and crime - what do you think a sudden vacuum of power would do? Get a grip matron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sid that&#8217;s all rather academic. It&#8217;s all very well for people sitting in the armchairs talk to of &#8220;imperialism&#8221; or &#8220;occupation&#8221;, but Iraqi&#8217;s just want security. They know full well an immediate withdrawal would disastrous, as I&#8217;m sure you do, on some level at least.</p>
<p>Iraqi&#8217;s are understandably MOST bothered about terrorism and crime &#8211; what do you think a sudden vacuum of power would do? Get a grip matron.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26988</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So 91% of Iraqis want the USA to remain as powerbrokers permanently for the long haul according to your recent polls?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So 91% of Iraqis want the USA to remain as powerbrokers permanently for the long haul according to your recent polls?</p>
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		<title>By: jonz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26986</link>
		<dc:creator>jonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sid #50

Among recent polls, Iraqis rated withdrawal of coalition forces from Iraq a distant third, the top priority of just 9 percent of Iraqis.

Withdrawal was level with fixing the economy and job creation. 85 percent listed security as one of the top three most important issues.

No mention of imperialist overlords either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sid #50</p>
<p>Among recent polls, Iraqis rated withdrawal of coalition forces from Iraq a distant third, the top priority of just 9 percent of Iraqis.</p>
<p>Withdrawal was level with fixing the economy and job creation. 85 percent listed security as one of the top three most important issues.</p>
<p>No mention of imperialist overlords either.</p>
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		<title>By: Arif</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26980</link>
		<dc:creator>Arif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cisoux, I think you misunderstood my point.  I was talking about anti-terrorist Muslims who feel this way.  Not terrorists.  

In fact, I think that western countries are streets ahead in their civil liberties and social justice compared to most Muslim countries.

When Muslims begin to question the nasty goings on in Muslim countries, we come across a lot of complications.  Say I were to decide that the Saudi Government has been using its petro-dollars and prestige in order to promote the most vicious racist ideologies and theologies.  The kind that you and I both worry about, it can lead into a lot of disgust also with the foreign policy of the Government you consider to be your own.

If you happen to be upset by bombing of non-British people, just as we are by 7/7 bombings, then you notice that on side takes some atrocities seriously while carrying out others and vice versa.  A stand against terrorism can&#039;t then satisfy either side.  And neither should it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cisoux, I think you misunderstood my point.  I was talking about anti-terrorist Muslims who feel this way.  Not terrorists.  </p>
<p>In fact, I think that western countries are streets ahead in their civil liberties and social justice compared to most Muslim countries.</p>
<p>When Muslims begin to question the nasty goings on in Muslim countries, we come across a lot of complications.  Say I were to decide that the Saudi Government has been using its petro-dollars and prestige in order to promote the most vicious racist ideologies and theologies.  The kind that you and I both worry about, it can lead into a lot of disgust also with the foreign policy of the Government you consider to be your own.</p>
<p>If you happen to be upset by bombing of non-British people, just as we are by 7/7 bombings, then you notice that on side takes some atrocities seriously while carrying out others and vice versa.  A stand against terrorism can&#8217;t then satisfy either side.  And neither should it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cisoux</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26979</link>
		<dc:creator>Cisoux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh the oppression in Leeds! The Zionist occupation in Preston! Oh the oppression and victimhood!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh the oppression in Leeds! The Zionist occupation in Preston! Oh the oppression and victimhood!</p>
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		<title>By: Cisoux</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26978</link>
		<dc:creator>Cisoux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Arif - loads of western imperialism in beeston Leeds - it is Zionist occupied you know, so is Small Heath Birmingham and Derby and Hounslow those notorious conveyor belts of suicide bombers where motherfuckers decided to blow themselves up, those disgusting sites of oppression and western imperialist Zionist repression. Good call Arif. That&#039;s great to know that you accept the terms of Islamist motherfuckery to not point the basic bullshit and rhetorical sophistry of their assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Arif &#8211; loads of western imperialism in beeston Leeds &#8211; it is Zionist occupied you know, so is Small Heath Birmingham and Derby and Hounslow those notorious conveyor belts of suicide bombers where motherfuckers decided to blow themselves up, those disgusting sites of oppression and western imperialist Zionist repression. Good call Arif. That&#8217;s great to know that you accept the terms of Islamist motherfuckery to not point the basic bullshit and rhetorical sophistry of their assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Cisoux</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26977</link>
		<dc:creator>Cisoux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respectfully Sid, I believe you are wrong. Ultimately, that means that people who mention Islamist extremism are engaged in an attempt to &#039;ban criticism of foreign policy&#039;. But this is nonsense. We dont care about what people say about foreign policy. We just dont want to be blown apart by bastards of motherfuckery, and we dont want extremists in our midst, or separatists retreating into ghettoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respectfully Sid, I believe you are wrong. Ultimately, that means that people who mention Islamist extremism are engaged in an attempt to &#8216;ban criticism of foreign policy&#8217;. But this is nonsense. We dont care about what people say about foreign policy. We just dont want to be blown apart by bastards of motherfuckery, and we dont want extremists in our midst, or separatists retreating into ghettoes.</p>
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		<title>By: Arif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cisoux, in case you are in doubt, there are Muslims who challenge other Muslims.  And who consider those you consider to be extremists also to be extremists.  And they do suffer because of it as well.  It isn&#039;t much fun facing self-righteous bigots at the best of times, and when they have terrorist groups attacking minority sects as well as others who have different interpretations of Islam from them, it isn&#039;t always safe.

But I think such people are not visible to you because few of us make the jump to say &quot;my enemy&#039;s enemy is my friend&quot; and make an open alliance with possibly equally frightened western politicians.  And, although you will probably see this as some sort of devious apologetics, this is not because of any moral high-mindedness, but because there is a lot of fear also of the agenda of western politicians.  They genuinely feel their lives are as expendable to both sides - looking for any sign of heterodoxy so that they can express their hatred on us.

If you are looking for unequivocal support for your worldview, you will find it from some, but not as many Muslims as you would like.  Muslims who confront the sects which preach hate and support terrorists generally do not feel they are doing it on behalf of a beseiged western society.  In my experience they ususally feel just as alienated from what they perceive as western imperialism and its gory consequences and want to oppose that just as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cisoux, in case you are in doubt, there are Muslims who challenge other Muslims.  And who consider those you consider to be extremists also to be extremists.  And they do suffer because of it as well.  It isn&#8217;t much fun facing self-righteous bigots at the best of times, and when they have terrorist groups attacking minority sects as well as others who have different interpretations of Islam from them, it isn&#8217;t always safe.</p>
<p>But I think such people are not visible to you because few of us make the jump to say &#8220;my enemy&#8217;s enemy is my friend&#8221; and make an open alliance with possibly equally frightened western politicians.  And, although you will probably see this as some sort of devious apologetics, this is not because of any moral high-mindedness, but because there is a lot of fear also of the agenda of western politicians.  They genuinely feel their lives are as expendable to both sides &#8211; looking for any sign of heterodoxy so that they can express their hatred on us.</p>
<p>If you are looking for unequivocal support for your worldview, you will find it from some, but not as many Muslims as you would like.  Muslims who confront the sects which preach hate and support terrorists generally do not feel they are doing it on behalf of a beseiged western society.  In my experience they ususally feel just as alienated from what they perceive as western imperialism and its gory consequences and want to oppose that just as much.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cisoux

I&#039;m not haw-hawing extremism. Just saying that Blair knows how to turn it on its head when he wants to use it his political advantage. So he legitimises his foreign policy by equating its detractors with Muslim extrmists, exclusively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cisoux</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not haw-hawing extremism. Just saying that Blair knows how to turn it on its head when he wants to use it his political advantage. So he legitimises his foreign policy by equating its detractors with Muslim extrmists, exclusively.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Naik</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26970</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Naik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Have you ever seen Blair exhort the moderates of any other community to take on their extremists?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Have you ever seen other communities blowing up trains, buses and then having a considerable minority of that community justifying or understanding such actions? And don&#039;t we expect certain White areas to fight racism by shunning its more extremist elements? 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;And on top of that, since when did Muslims just get divided into moderates and extremists?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Didn&#039;t you say there is a fine line between racists and non-racists? Shouldn&#039;t there be a similar line between moderates and extremists? I believe that&#039;s the only line you need to define.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Have you ever seen Blair exhort the moderates of any other community to take on their extremists?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Have you ever seen other communities blowing up trains, buses and then having a considerable minority of that community justifying or understanding such actions? And don&#8217;t we expect certain White areas to fight racism by shunning its more extremist elements? </p>
<p><i>&#8220;And on top of that, since when did Muslims just get divided into moderates and extremists?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you say there is a fine line between racists and non-racists? Shouldn&#8217;t there be a similar line between moderates and extremists? I believe that&#8217;s the only line you need to define.</p>
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		<title>By: Cisoux</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/625#comment-26969</link>
		<dc:creator>Cisoux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sid, I understand you feel vulnerable and singled out. But which other community in Britain is producing suicide bombers, ideological hatred that spawns suicide bombers, Shazad Tanweer&#039;s, plots to blow up dancing sluts etc etc ad nauseum?

And do you really think that I am either not aware of the wickedness of extreme right wingers, or that I would sulk at the suggestion that they be repudiated, or that the existence of the Soho bomber in any way renders the threat from Islamists inconsequential or irrelevant? So because of what happened in 1999, Muslim extremism should not be confronted or named and repudiated? That is fatuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sid, I understand you feel vulnerable and singled out. But which other community in Britain is producing suicide bombers, ideological hatred that spawns suicide bombers, Shazad Tanweer&#8217;s, plots to blow up dancing sluts etc etc ad nauseum?</p>
<p>And do you really think that I am either not aware of the wickedness of extreme right wingers, or that I would sulk at the suggestion that they be repudiated, or that the existence of the Soho bomber in any way renders the threat from Islamists inconsequential or irrelevant? So because of what happened in 1999, Muslim extremism should not be confronted or named and repudiated? That is fatuous.</p>
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