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  • Geert Wilders is back and causing trouble


    by Sunny
    16th October, 2009 at 2:58 pm    

    The Dutch politician Geert Wilders has been let into our shores. Let him, I say. The guy is an offensive idiot but he should be debated. However, I doubt that Wilders will take up invitations by Quilliam Foundation or the Oxford Islamic Centre to debate because it would be easy to expose him.

    The ITN video shows a protest by Muslims, but fails to mention that it’s a stunt by the publicity-seeking extremists from al-Muhajiroun nutjobs. Shoddy journalism.

    In the video Geert Wilders says he has “nothing against Muslims”. But here is is earlier ten-point plan to save the West. It shows he does have a problem with Muslims.

    1. Stop cultural relativism. We need an article in our constitutions that lays down that we have a Jewish-Christian and humanism culture.
    2. Stop pretending that Islam is a religion. Islam is a totalitarian ideology. In other words, the right to religious freedom should not apply to Islam.
    3. Stop mass immigration by people from Muslim countries. We have to end Al-Hijra.
    4. Encourage voluntary repatriation.
    5. Expel criminal foreigners and criminals with dual nationality, after denationalization, and send them back to their Arab countries. Likewise, expel all those who incite to a ‘violent jihad’.
    6. We need an European First Amendment to strengthen free speech.
    7. Have every member of a non-Western minority sign a legally binding contract of assimilation.
    8. We need a binding pledge of allegiance in all Western countries.
    9. Stop the building of new mosques. As long as no churches or synagogues are allowed to be build in countries like Saudi-Arabia we will not allow one more new mosque in our western countries. Close all mosques where incitement to violence is taking place. Close all Islamic schools, for they are fascist institutions and young children should not be educated an ideology of hate and violence.
    10. Get rid of the current weak leaders. We have the privilege of living in a democracy. Let’s use that privilege and exchange cowards for heroes. We need more Churchills and less Chamberlains.

    Why didn’t he mention any of that today? Idiot.


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    1. Reza — on 16th October, 2009 at 3:18 pm  

      Geert Wilders could very well be the next Prime Minister of the Netherlands where he enjoys massive popular support. I don’t agree with everything he says. For example, I believe that no book should ever be banned.

      However, it was shameful that he was prevented from entering Britain previously. He is an elected Member of Parliament of a fellow EU country.

      He is always very careful to ensure that he is criticizing an ideology and not the individuals that follow it.

      Geert is a very brave man. He must live under constant protection from Muslims who have vowed to kill him.

      Disagree with him by all means. But don’t you dare try to silence him.

    2. Sunny — on 16th October, 2009 at 3:30 pm  

      Yeah, you don’t happen to like these people but you big them up a lot eh? You don’t like the BNP but we must do what they say, no?

    3. Adnan — on 16th October, 2009 at 3:54 pm  

      “Get rid of the current weak leaders. We have the privilege of living in a democracy. Let’s use that privilege and exchange cowards for heroes.”

      Ah just what we need: a peroxide strongman.

    4. Just Lisa — on 16th October, 2009 at 4:01 pm  

      Do you not think he has a point? The *perversion* of islamic beliefs is a great threat. Plus islam is 9in its very nature, homophobic. So yes I have a problem with it. I also have a problem with Judao-Christian homophobia, but lets be honest here, danish cartoons vs jerry springer the opera - both ‘offensive’ - but one was reacted to with peaceful protest.

      anyay, we need secular leaders. Christopher Hitchens for PM - I wish

    5. Morrigan — on 16th October, 2009 at 4:03 pm  

      Any chance of a link to a video of Fitna?

      Then we can discuss the real reason he is here.

    6. Sunny — on 16th October, 2009 at 4:08 pm  

      Do you not think he has a point? The *perversion* of islamic beliefs is a great threat.

      from where I’m standing, the BNP is a bigger threat.

      On Fitna, Morrigan, you can read this.
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/08/haplessneocons

      and I’m sure you’re capable of a Google search.

    7. Reza — on 16th October, 2009 at 4:13 pm  

      Sunny

      “Yeah, you don’t happen to like these people but you big them up a lot eh? You don’t like the BNP but we must do what they say, no?”

      I don’t like the BNP. They’re racists.

      I do like Wilders. He isn’t a racist.

      Simple, see.

      (And that word, ‘Islamophobe’ is not a badge of shame.)

    8. Morrigan — on 16th October, 2009 at 4:17 pm  

      Sunny,

      Your waffly article does cover one critical point about the film: it doesn’t feature anything that was not already in the public domain.

      Content-wise it is therefore no more controversial than the news clips it is made up of (although the Beeb didn’t broadcast the actual sounds of Eugene Armstrong struggling while having his head cut off).

      The film doesn’t ask Western governments to censor the Koran. It asks Muslims to disown the violent verses in the Koran (of which there are a few). In doing so he is seeking to resolve problems with Islam that have bothered everyone who has ever come in contact with the religion, from Mecca to India to the UK.

    9. Just Lisa — on 16th October, 2009 at 4:21 pm  

      from where I’m standing, the BNP is a bigger threat.

      But you’re a Londoner Sunny, right? Me too. The BNP don’t have any real presence here - don’t give them any credit.

      My point is largely that i think, for instance, its laughable that the MCB call the BNP bigots on their website. They are right, the BNP are bigots, but so are the MCB for refusing to attend holocaust memorials and rampant homophobia.

      I just don’t see how progressive thinking and religious fundamentalism can go hand in hand. And whilst I am not a Julie Burchill fan in any way, I have to agree with her on this, I quote:

      ‘It’s really weird how many allegedly leftwing men are prepared to forgive and even justify the most reactionary statements and behaviour so long as those peddling it are darker-skinned.’

      Rampant misogyny and homophobia are dismissed as fascism when they are spewed by white bigots, why can’t people acknowledge that this also goes hand in hand with some of the basic fundamental core beliefs of Islam.

    10. Adnan — on 16th October, 2009 at 4:24 pm  

      Sunny @6 - great article.

    11. Morrigan — on 16th October, 2009 at 4:26 pm  

      Just Lisa,

      See the tail end of the BBC Question Time thread, where I make the same comments about double standards applied to ‘darker skinned’ bigots.

    12. counterstrike — on 16th October, 2009 at 4:35 pm  

      from where I’m standing, the BNP is a bigger threat.

      If you had been standing in the vicinity of Tavistock Square, Edgware Road, Russell Square and Aldgate then perhaps you would have a different point of view, or more likely you would no longer be able to hold any type of view whatsoever.

    13. Morrigan — on 16th October, 2009 at 4:42 pm  

      Say what you want about the BNP, but at least their leaders don’t call for terrorist attacks, or sign declarations endangering British service personnell (like Daud Abdullah).

      They are a lot lower risk than the Islamists.

    14. Morrigan — on 16th October, 2009 at 4:44 pm  

      Of course, there have been global terrorist activities carried out against innocent Muslims, but you’ll find it was the LABOUR PATY who signed those off, long before the BNP had any European Parliament seats!

    15. Paul — on 16th October, 2009 at 5:19 pm  

      Wilders repeatedly says he “has nothing against Muslims” because it is a criminal offence in the Netherlands to insult a “group within the population” by reason of their religion (among other things). Insulting the religion itself, is not a crime. Wilders is well aware of the legal limits, and of course there are many complaints against him. So this line is a mantra, which he repeats to interviewers.

      And he will mention all those things on the list sometime anyway. That’s why he’s travelling around, to promote his ideas.

    16. Morrigan — on 16th October, 2009 at 5:44 pm  

      But it must be completely legitimate to disagree with the tenets of any religion, without denying people’s right to follow those religions.

    17. bernard — on 16th October, 2009 at 6:24 pm  

      “Say what you want about the BNP, but at least their leaders don’t call for terrorist attacks, or sign declarations endangering British service personnell (like Daud Abdullah).”

      http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=1594

    18. Draman — on 16th October, 2009 at 6:34 pm  

      Erm, Daud Abdullah hasn’t called for attacks on British service personnel. And don’t go quoting Harry’s Place or MEMRI for proof.

    19. Kenny — on 16th October, 2009 at 7:01 pm  

      An unsuccessful assassination attempt on Geert - by a Muslim, of course - would double the BNP vote.

      Just a thought.

    20. Don — on 16th October, 2009 at 7:14 pm  

      #16

      You can nail that to the mast.

    21. Refresh — on 16th October, 2009 at 7:22 pm  

      Kenny is right. Geert has to be protected at all cost, from anyone regardless of faith, political allegiance or grievance.

      Ironic isn’t it, when Pym Fortuyn the pioneer, was killed by a militant animal rights activist Volkert van der Graaf (note, not a muslim), people turned towards his party in large numbers. Only for the country to realise what a disastrous mistake they’d made.

      So I am now more concerned that Geert is not bumped off by someone who sees political advantage in his demise.

    22. Refresh — on 16th October, 2009 at 7:39 pm  

      Very good piece, by the way Sunny.

    23. Reza — on 16th October, 2009 at 10:10 pm  

      Refresh

      “Ironic isn’t it, when Pym Fortuyn the pioneer, was killed by a militant animal rights activist Volkert van der Graaf…”

      Fortuyn was already very popular when he was murdered. And his murder was abetted by the leftist media that described him as the heir to Hitler.

      Van der Graff claimed he murdered Fortuyn to stop him from exploiting Muslims as “scapegoats”. He thought that he was preventing a Holocaust. Such is the power of the irresponsible leftist media on the feeble minded.

    24. falcao — on 16th October, 2009 at 10:19 pm  

      post 13: you don’t half talk guff

      http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/1802167.html

      The West Yorkshire Police recently launched a huge series of raids against far-right groups and found them in possession of 80 bombs – considerably more even than any jihadi group has been caught with in British history.

    25. limpia — on 17th October, 2009 at 12:10 am  

      I admire Geert Wilders a great deal, and feel that he will be the one to protect the rights of minorities, including gays and jews. Do u have an equivalent, clear thinking leader?

      Question-I read that ur Housing Council builds houses specifically geered toward Muslim needs with features such as toilets not facing Mecca, and shower heads over toilets. Is that a govt agency? If so, u cant believe in the separation of church and state.

    26. john Barnes — on 17th October, 2009 at 12:44 am  

      “from where I’m standing, the BNP is a bigger threat.”

      No I think your the idiot

    27. Shatterface — on 17th October, 2009 at 1:28 am  

      That’s ‘No, I think you’re the idiot’ - unless you are discussing the ownership of a Dostoyevsky book which he has forgotten belongs to him.

      If you are going to stand up for the English, learn the language.

    28. Kenny — on 17th October, 2009 at 4:27 am  

      GEERT COMETH! REJOICE!

      Didya see the buncha Benefit-Fraud-Made-Easy M*sl*ms yelling and howling on the telly?

      With their banners extolling Shariah?

      Gosh, if a PR man for the BNP had written the script he could NOT have done better!

    29. Kenny — on 17th October, 2009 at 5:04 am  

      And did anyone say ‘shoddy journalism’ by any chance?

      The BBC this morning said Geert want to ‘BAN THE QURAN’ which is a total f*cking lie!

    30. Thomas Byrne — on 17th October, 2009 at 10:22 am  

      Isn’t the penalty for Apostasy still death?

    31. Wyrdtimes — on 17th October, 2009 at 1:17 pm  

      http://tinyurl.com/yfyhzh3

      Are these guys misquoting the Koran about the death penalty for insulting their dodgy prophet?

      And as Thomas asks “Isn’t the penalty for Apostasy still death?”

      Throw in the stoning and the limb chopping and it looks exactly like a violent religion to me and that Geert Wilders is bang on about it.

    32. BenSix — on 17th October, 2009 at 1:37 pm  

      Gosh, if a PR man for the BNP had written the script he could NOT have done better!

      Yes, it’s almost as if Al Muhajiroun deliberately latch onto these events…

      In fact, that’s exactly what they do.

    33. persephone — on 17th October, 2009 at 3:16 pm  

      “The BBC this morning said Geert want to ‘BAN THE QURAN’ which is a total f*cking lie!”

      Just ban verses from it which amounts to the same thing.

      Now where did I read about ‘an for an eye?’

    34. Sunny — on 18th October, 2009 at 3:24 pm  

      Isn’t the penalty for Apostasy still death?

      Where?

    35. Don — on 18th October, 2009 at 3:39 pm  

      Sunny,

      Do you mean geographically or textually? Or are you suggesting that apostasy is risk free?

    36. KennyDee — on 19th October, 2009 at 10:24 am  

      ‘but fails to mention that it’s a stunt by the publicity-seeking extremists from al-Muhajiroun nutjobs’

      They are no stunt, yes they are nutjobs.

      Mr Wilders 10 point plan is very much on the money and bang on.

    37. Paul — on 19th October, 2009 at 1:20 pm  

      You seem to have deleted a comment I made, presumably because it was not politically correct. Can you confirm the deletion?

    38. Frenkie — on 19th October, 2009 at 2:41 pm  

      Mein Kampf is banned in the Netherlands and Wilders makes the comparison between the Quran and Mein Kampf. Both books are used as a guide to dominate and kill. So why banned Mein Kampf and not the Quran?

    39. Soso — on 19th October, 2009 at 3:18 pm  

      I can’t understand why more people don’t just read the Koran.

      One doesn’t need ( or shouldn’t at least) a Geert Wilders to learn a bit about Islam’s penchant for violence and intolerance. This faith is soundly condemned as extremist and hate-filled simply by the disgusting content of its own core texts.

    40. BenSix — on 19th October, 2009 at 3:41 pm  

      Mr Wilders 10 point plan is very much on the money and bang on.

      Well, if Kennydee says so…

    41. qidniz — on 19th October, 2009 at 4:42 pm  

      So why banned Mein Kampf and not the Quran?

      ‘Coz the Quran is speshul, innit?

    42. Phil P — on 19th October, 2009 at 5:04 pm  

      Why ban either? Only idiots ban books.

    43. Liam — on 7th February, 2010 at 9:47 am  

      You’re right he’d be crazy to debate you fucking wankers. You’ve already murdered two of his party members and you’d no doubt string him up too. The religion of peace… hahahah, yeah right.

    44. Dariа — on 7th February, 2010 at 11:41 am  

      Geert is the nearly the only in Europe wirth respect.

      Why do you think he would easily be exposed in debating?

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