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		<title>By: Leslie Humphreys</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-199876</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie Humphreys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rgarding Muslim husband can have 4 wives and have been cleared to claim all state benifits for all their different partners. Â£ 92.80 for one Â£ 33.65 for others. I thought that all laws in this country have to go through parliment and onto the statue book.
Why has this been brushed under the carpet, lets bring it out for all to be able to understand. why one law for us and another for others. they are themselves making race relations very difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rgarding Muslim husband can have 4 wives and have been cleared to claim all state benifits for all their different partners. Â£ 92.80 for one Â£ 33.65 for others. I thought that all laws in this country have to go through parliment and onto the statue book.<br />
Why has this been brushed under the carpet, lets bring it out for all to be able to understand. why one law for us and another for others. they are themselves making race relations very difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-199050</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a BNP member,We will crush you all, most of these blogs are full of middle class shite, it is not what you all say, it is what you dont say, it is not what is seen ,it is what is not seen, platonic logic,As well as this the islamist or american is not british, they dont under stand our use of english, americans have words which are stupid to us, ect muticulture,ethnic voting blocks , statesman, were as we whould say STATE--------man,christain jew civilisation, even more shit, we are based on Greek thought,There child like desire to moralise,endlessly, fill me with a burning desire to shit, since moral arguement is the nature of the mobs of Rome ,or the village idiots, IN FACT THEY FALL OVER EACH OTHER TO PROVE THEIR STUPIDITY.AS FOR THE ISLAMIST, SHE DOSNT HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXIST IN ENGLAND,WHY BECAUSE DEAR FOOLS, OF THE MIDDLE CLASS,THERE ARE NO CHRISTAINS IN MECCA,end of arguement, i think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a BNP member,We will crush you all, most of these blogs are full of middle class shite, it is not what you all say, it is what you dont say, it is not what is seen ,it is what is not seen, platonic logic,As well as this the islamist or american is not british, they dont under stand our use of english, americans have words which are stupid to us, ect muticulture,ethnic voting blocks , statesman, were as we whould say STATE&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;man,christain jew civilisation, even more shit, we are based on Greek thought,There child like desire to moralise,endlessly, fill me with a burning desire to shit, since moral arguement is the nature of the mobs of Rome ,or the village idiots, IN FACT THEY FALL OVER EACH OTHER TO PROVE THEIR STUPIDITY.AS FOR THE ISLAMIST, SHE DOSNT HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXIST IN ENGLAND,WHY BECAUSE DEAR FOOLS, OF THE MIDDLE CLASS,THERE ARE NO CHRISTAINS IN MECCA,end of arguement, i think.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-182001</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clairwill,

Just joking. I know you are on the side of the angels when it comes to this sort of stuff.

However I am not so sure about the DWP :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clairwill,</p>
<p>Just joking. I know you are on the side of the angels when it comes to this sort of stuff.</p>
<p>However I am not so sure about the DWP <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clairwil</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181998</link>
		<dc:creator>Clairwil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas,
Sorry spare wife was my words. I was just being flippant. There is a lot to be said for treating everyone individually in benefit law but as it it would lead to all out of work households getting more money it&#039;s not likely to happen, benefit claimants generally being quite unpopular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas,<br />
Sorry spare wife was my words. I was just being flippant. There is a lot to be said for treating everyone individually in benefit law but as it it would lead to all out of work households getting more money it&#8217;s not likely to happen, benefit claimants generally being quite unpopular.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181989</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clairwill,

Err..

&#039;Spare wife&#039; benefit rate?

What sort of alternate reality are we living in?

Folk should be treated individually, I&#039;d have thought, but, as you know, I am a bear with very little brain.

There is no such thing, in common sense, as a &#039;spare wife&#039;. Which is not to say that the DWP couldn&#039;t see it that way. For they are, probably, insane.

And these bastards have the right to designate us as mad?

I don&#039;t think so.

Could you get to the top of the DWP tree by saying that retirement should be subject to being dead already? I think one could. Not you, obviously, for you are differently sane, rather than them, who are differently insane.

What a joy bureaucracy actually is, when it is described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clairwill,</p>
<p>Err..</p>
<p>&#8216;Spare wife&#8217; benefit rate?</p>
<p>What sort of alternate reality are we living in?</p>
<p>Folk should be treated individually, I&#8217;d have thought, but, as you know, I am a bear with very little brain.</p>
<p>There is no such thing, in common sense, as a &#8216;spare wife&#8217;. Which is not to say that the DWP couldn&#8217;t see it that way. For they are, probably, insane.</p>
<p>And these bastards have the right to designate us as mad?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Could you get to the top of the DWP tree by saying that retirement should be subject to being dead already? I think one could. Not you, obviously, for you are differently sane, rather than them, who are differently insane.</p>
<p>What a joy bureaucracy actually is, when it is described.</p>
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		<title>By: Clairwil</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181987</link>
		<dc:creator>Clairwil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to chip on the benefits thing. I don&#039;t think the payments for extra wives is a case of the DWP being tolerant or pandering to other cultures less appealling quirks.

As things stand a couple get Â£100 p/w benefit so the man and the 1st wife of a polygamous family get the standard couple rate. If benefit law were to then say we do not recognise your other marriages for benefit purposes then each additional wife would be entitled to claim as a single woman, getting the standard rate of Â£64:50 p/w rather than the spare wife rate of Â£33.65.

Until a few years ago benefit law did not recognise gay relationships. This meant that a co-habiting gay couple had to claim as single people and ended up with more benefit than a married or co-habiting straight couple. 

I think it might be the DWP trying to save a bit of cash rather than a sinister attempt to establish Islamic law in the UK by cunning use of the benefits system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to chip on the benefits thing. I don&#8217;t think the payments for extra wives is a case of the DWP being tolerant or pandering to other cultures less appealling quirks.</p>
<p>As things stand a couple get Â£100 p/w benefit so the man and the 1st wife of a polygamous family get the standard couple rate. If benefit law were to then say we do not recognise your other marriages for benefit purposes then each additional wife would be entitled to claim as a single woman, getting the standard rate of Â£64:50 p/w rather than the spare wife rate of Â£33.65.</p>
<p>Until a few years ago benefit law did not recognise gay relationships. This meant that a co-habiting gay couple had to claim as single people and ended up with more benefit than a married or co-habiting straight couple. </p>
<p>I think it might be the DWP trying to save a bit of cash rather than a sinister attempt to establish Islamic law in the UK by cunning use of the benefits system.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181946</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reza

Name your other groups.

And describe this monoculture you want to put in place.

And advise us on the commercial and economic consequences of your policy.

I think Jai and others did a good job of working out the consequences of BNP policies - lets hear about yours and Geert Wilders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reza</p>
<p>Name your other groups.</p>
<p>And describe this monoculture you want to put in place.</p>
<p>And advise us on the commercial and economic consequences of your policy.</p>
<p>I think Jai and others did a good job of working out the consequences of BNP policies &#8211; lets hear about yours and Geert Wilders.</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181931</link>
		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refresh

&quot;Now I take it you want to build a monocultural society which by definition excludes muslims.&quot;

Not excluding Muslims, just excluding any appeasment of Islam.

And I want to cut all immigration, not only immigration from Muslim countries.

That said, I do have some time for Geert Wilders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refresh</p>
<p>&#8220;Now I take it you want to build a monocultural society which by definition excludes muslims.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not excluding Muslims, just excluding any appeasment of Islam.</p>
<p>And I want to cut all immigration, not only immigration from Muslim countries.</p>
<p>That said, I do have some time for Geert Wilders.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181927</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It matters because you used it as a vehicle for your rhetoric and now don&#039;t want to deal with the details.

So I take it you do not want to discuss the fact that out of 60million people there are at most 100~200 families who could be claiming benefit on the basis of polygamous arrangements. Its important, because it defines you: Facts are not of consequence when rhetoric is more effective.

Now I take it you want to build a monocultural society which by definition excludes muslims.

Would you care to name other groups who would not make the grade?

Then I would like you to address the issue of what other countries should do. Should they too go into their shells and remove all outside influences including British, like say Burma and North Korea.

Would you avoid trading with other cultures; and would you be happy for them to stop trading with you?

And of course there is the prickly question of what you would do to those who don&#039;t agree with you. And finally would you fit in into this Brave New World?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It matters because you used it as a vehicle for your rhetoric and now don&#8217;t want to deal with the details.</p>
<p>So I take it you do not want to discuss the fact that out of 60million people there are at most 100~200 families who could be claiming benefit on the basis of polygamous arrangements. Its important, because it defines you: Facts are not of consequence when rhetoric is more effective.</p>
<p>Now I take it you want to build a monocultural society which by definition excludes muslims.</p>
<p>Would you care to name other groups who would not make the grade?</p>
<p>Then I would like you to address the issue of what other countries should do. Should they too go into their shells and remove all outside influences including British, like say Burma and North Korea.</p>
<p>Would you avoid trading with other cultures; and would you be happy for them to stop trading with you?</p>
<p>And of course there is the prickly question of what you would do to those who don&#8217;t agree with you. And finally would you fit in into this Brave New World?</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181915</link>
		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refresh

It matters not if it is a single polygamous â€˜familyâ€™. This is not about benefit claimants.

What matters is that centuries of British law, British custom and British values have been changed to appease an abhorrent and alien way of life.

This is simply one of so many examples of how multiculturalism insidiously and stealthily cuts away at the fabric of British identity and mores. A thousand little cuts, one at a time, until the identity is gone.

Multiculturalism is like the HIV virus. It doesnâ€™t actually kill the nation. It simply removes the immune system, leaving the nation like an AIDS patient, susceptible to any little disease, that attacks it, bit by bit, until the patient is no more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refresh</p>
<p>It matters not if it is a single polygamous â€˜familyâ€™. This is not about benefit claimants.</p>
<p>What matters is that centuries of British law, British custom and British values have been changed to appease an abhorrent and alien way of life.</p>
<p>This is simply one of so many examples of how multiculturalism insidiously and stealthily cuts away at the fabric of British identity and mores. A thousand little cuts, one at a time, until the identity is gone.</p>
<p>Multiculturalism is like the HIV virus. It doesnâ€™t actually kill the nation. It simply removes the immune system, leaving the nation like an AIDS patient, susceptible to any little disease, that attacks it, bit by bit, until the patient is no more.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181897</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reza

Again - Whatâ€™s your idea of a small percentage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reza</p>
<p>Again &#8211; Whatâ€™s your idea of a small percentage?</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it turns out Douglas &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; have multiple wives as long as he contracts them in a country which recognises polygamy. Some countries only recognise Islamic polygamous marriages but most seem to accept it across the board. So if he became domiciled in, say, Burma, Burkina Faso or Brunei, he could use exactly the same loopholes as Reza.*

However, he would go down in my estimation if he did.


*&lt;i&gt;This does not constitute legal advice.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it turns out Douglas <i>can</i> have multiple wives as long as he contracts them in a country which recognises polygamy. Some countries only recognise Islamic polygamous marriages but most seem to accept it across the board. So if he became domiciled in, say, Burma, Burkina Faso or Brunei, he could use exactly the same loopholes as Reza.*</p>
<p>However, he would go down in my estimation if he did.</p>
<p>*<i>This does not constitute legal advice.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181851</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this was day after bloody day, not just once or twice.

Some advertisement for the joys of polygamy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this was day after bloody day, not just once or twice.</p>
<p>Some advertisement for the joys of polygamy!</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181850</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Taif our neighbour came back from drilling the National Guard recruits on the parade ground and was greeted at the door by both wives, senior and junior, screaming at each other and howling their complaints about the other wife.

Then the older children joined in the yelling.

Then the baby started screaming.

A video of this would have made any would-be polygamist think twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Taif our neighbour came back from drilling the National Guard recruits on the parade ground and was greeted at the door by both wives, senior and junior, screaming at each other and howling their complaints about the other wife.</p>
<p>Then the older children joined in the yelling.</p>
<p>Then the baby started screaming.</p>
<p>A video of this would have made any would-be polygamist think twice.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arshad,

While poygamous marriages are rare there are ways of legitimising them as Reza detailed earlier. Benefits can be paid to a second wife at around Â£35 a week.

www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/.../snha-05051.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arshad,</p>
<p>While poygamous marriages are rare there are ways of legitimising them as Reza detailed earlier. Benefits can be paid to a second wife at around Â£35 a week.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/.../snha-05051.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/&#8230;/snha-05051.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arshad</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181843</link>
		<dc:creator>Arshad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive travelled between Muslim communities for a long long time, and I can tell people like Reza that polygamy in this country barely exists. When it has been known to happen, generally communities are very critical, and there is no way that those people can claim benefits as they are not &#039;married&#039; in a civically recognised ceremony. It&#039;s so rare, it&#039;s a complete non-issue.

This idea that Muslims somehow &#039;have it easy&#039; cause they can marry several women is therefore ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive travelled between Muslim communities for a long long time, and I can tell people like Reza that polygamy in this country barely exists. When it has been known to happen, generally communities are very critical, and there is no way that those people can claim benefits as they are not &#8216;married&#8217; in a civically recognised ceremony. It&#8217;s so rare, it&#8217;s a complete non-issue.</p>
<p>This idea that Muslims somehow &#8216;have it easy&#8217; cause they can marry several women is therefore ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181842</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reza

&#039;I answered you in 118.&#039;

No you didn&#039;t, you skirted the question.

This from your own link:

&quot;A DWP spokesman said: &#039;There are fewer than 1,000 polygamous marriages in the UK and only a small percentage of these are claiming social security benefit.&quot;

What&#039;s your idea of a small percentage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reza</p>
<p>&#8216;I answered you in 118.&#8217;</p>
<p>No you didn&#8217;t, you skirted the question.</p>
<p>This from your own link:</p>
<p>&#8220;A DWP spokesman said: &#8216;There are fewer than 1,000 polygamous marriages in the UK and only a small percentage of these are claiming social security benefit.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your idea of a small percentage?</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181841</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reza,

I don&#039;t believe I am splitting hairs. The distiction between the two is crucial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reza,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe I am splitting hairs. The distiction between the two is crucial.</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181839</link>
		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, you&#039;re splitting hairs. 

Adnan: &quot;I guess this is one of the practical issues in imposing democracy from the outside...&quot;

Imposing anything on a people, without their consent, is wrong. Whether that is democracy, or a foreign cultural or religious practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, you&#8217;re splitting hairs. </p>
<p>Adnan: &#8220;I guess this is one of the practical issues in imposing democracy from the outside&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Imposing anything on a people, without their consent, is wrong. Whether that is democracy, or a foreign cultural or religious practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Adnan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6211#comment-181837</link>
		<dc:creator>Adnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one Don.

I guess this is one of the practical issues in imposing democracy from the outside e.g. in places such as Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one Don.</p>
<p>I guess this is one of the practical issues in imposing democracy from the outside e.g. in places such as Iraq.</p>
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