Porn to be wild


by Rohin
30th June, 2006 at 4:08 pm    

Nadia Nyce, Indian porn legendGood afternoon, Dr Rohin Rohan here, PORN FIEND. Well clearly that’s what the BBC Asian Network thought. For yesterday I got a ring ‘pon me celly from them telling me that they were planning a show about pornography. I asked “so you called me?”

They wanted someone to stand up for porn, so – let’s not beat around the bush – I said yeah what the hell and rose to the occasion. This is what it has cum to. Apparently Sunny was at the bottom of this. I didn’t want to sound too in-your-face; I was worried my argument might suck, or that the show might blow.

Anyway, you can listen to the show, hosted by the lovely Anita Rani here. I’m just listening to it now. I’ve never been on the radio before, I sound like a complete numpty. I downed half a bottle of codeine to stop my cough, so let me off. I don’t really get involved until after 15 minutes. Qassim Afzal, Lib Dem PPC, and a former half-Indian pornstar are amongst my fellow guests.

I didn’t work in a quote from Salman Rushdie who said a free and civilised society should be judged by its willingness to accept pornography:

“Pornography exists everywhere, of course, but when it comes into societies in which it’s difficult for young men and women to get together and do what young men and women often like doing, it satisfies a more general need.” He adds: “While doing so, it sometimes becomes a kind of standard-bearer for freedom, even civilisation….”

The subject was sparked by a discussion on Anita Rani’s own messageboard about Asians in porn. My beloved Picklers are quite a different breed to the people there, so I kind of know what most of you will say, but what are your views? What’s wrong with porn?


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  1. Ravi Naik — on 30th June, 2006 at 4:25 pm  

    “What’s wrong with porn?”

    Nothing wrong. Just the opposite it seems (for the record, I disagree with most of what Reynolds says).

  2. raz — on 30th June, 2006 at 4:55 pm  

    Is this a subtle cue for me to start posting my hentai collection Rohin? ;)

  3. Sunny — on 30th June, 2006 at 5:08 pm  

    I did that discussion already, and thought ‘who else would be on the same lines…?’ Hehe. You love it Rohin!

    Raz – no :|

  4. raz — on 30th June, 2006 at 5:53 pm  

    :(

  5. Col.Mustafa — on 30th June, 2006 at 7:08 pm  

    I don’t know what the article’s about but GODDDAM i feel horny now.

    My typical bloke side is coming out again.

  6. Don — on 30th June, 2006 at 7:18 pm  

    Oh dear. Last time I commented on porn, on an American liberal blog which I had previously rather liked, I was mobbed for suggesting that Republican calls for more controls on the porn industry should be listened to, rather than sniggered at.

    When I suggested that ‘good’ porn (shiny,happy people, ‘empowered’ women, slick production values, some studios are owned by women, look how big Jemma Jameson’s house is, etc.) did not exist in a hermetically sealed box and was all part of the spectrum of the sex-trade, and that taking it into the mainstream was was a retrograde step I was howled down. One twat pompously informed me that he was a lawyer and wanted hard evidence that porn exploited women. What did he want me to do? Wear a wire and hang out with Albanian pimps?

    (No offence to non-pimping Albanians)

    But it is. A continuum from squalid back-street rapes with hand held video cameras to the glossiest exemplars that the PR of a multi-billion dollar industry can present. Mainstream porn is the acceptable tip of an iceberg of brutal exploitation, the plump, beaming house niggers so you don’t have to think about the plantation slaves.

    I sound like a bible-punching blue-nosed wowser, don’t I? So much for my carefully cultivated image of a louche, sardonic boulevardier.

    raz,

    hentai’s ok, that’s just drawings.

    kismet (pre-emptively),

    I’m ok with eating animals and carrying out medical experiments, so I guess sexual exploitation is ok too. I just feel differently about people.

  7. Sunny — on 30th June, 2006 at 8:04 pm  

    Don, how are you???!?!

    ….. suggest that Kismet hardy will come here to talk about beastiality.

    …. ok maybe he will.

    Anyway, this thread gets a prize for the most amount of puns. Ever. In the history of the universe. And now I’m off meet palm-inderjeet.

  8. Desi Italiana — on 30th June, 2006 at 8:29 pm  

    Don:
    “American liberal blog”

    “Liberal” in America means:

    1) center right
    2) left of mainstream politics which are not “extreme right”, but pretty close.

    You’ll do better speaking to the Right because at least they have a uniform logic and say things straight out, in contrast to the “Liberals” who are disunited, have an incoherent logic, say something else while they do the same exact things as the Republicans, and dress everything up in “politically correct” language when in fact, substantially they are saying basically the same things as Republicans.

    Liberals are the wannabe cousins of the Right.

    Hope this helps the next time you write a comment on an American “liberal” blog!

  9. Desi Italiana — on 30th June, 2006 at 8:36 pm  

    And the “Liberals” are inconsistent too.

    Ok, don’t mean to threadjack, sorry. Back to post–

    Pornography: good or bad??? Which is better; soft or hard???

  10. Amir — on 30th June, 2006 at 9:32 pm  

    Mr Francis,
    Congratulations on becoming a ‘Dr’! Let us hope you can become the next Gregory House. 8)

    Ah yes,… porn. The only specialist-topic to cut across ‘left’ and ‘right’ ideological divisions! A perfect way to unite rowdy male contributors.

    I personally hate porn. It’s a poor substitute for the real thing. I mean – who wants to spend their Friday nights indoors and in front of a computer screen with a box of tissues and a Kazaa.lite ‘playlist’?

    Fuck that. I prefer the old-fashioned skin-to-skin sex. Porn just makes you sexually frustrated and anti-social.

    Worse still, it inculcates a wrong attitude to real sex, which, in my experience, is infinitely more complex and emotionally engaging. Guys tend to like ‘fucking’ and that’s it. But girls vary enormously in their sexual preferences and physical ability to reach orgasm. Porn stars are like one-dimensional cardboard cut-outs.

    Amir ‘the kill joy’

  11. Kulvinder — on 30th June, 2006 at 9:34 pm  

    One twat pompously informed me that he was a lawyer and wanted hard evidence that porn exploited women. What did he want me to do? Wear a wire and hang out with Albanian pimps?

    Since you made the statement, yes?!

  12. Amir — on 30th June, 2006 at 9:37 pm  

    Wear a wire and hang out with Albanian pimps?

    Sounds like a mission to me!

  13. Kulvinder — on 30th June, 2006 at 9:51 pm  

    I mean – who wants to spend their Friday nights indoors and in front of a computer screen with a box of tissues and a Kazaa.lite ‘playlist’?

    I dunno, who?

    …Porn just makes you sexually frustrated and anti-social.

    im not sure what type of porn you don’t watch but generally speaking people don’t do things to get into ever increasing circles of fustration. Its a bit like saying eating makes people hungry.

    Its all good if thats what you believe but i can’t say i recognise the rationale.

    …Porn stars are like one-dimensional cardboard cut-outs.

    thats kinda the point

  14. Kulvinder — on 30th June, 2006 at 9:53 pm  

    “Liberal” in America means:

    1) center right
    2) left of mainstream politics which are not “extreme right”, but pretty close.

  15. Kulvinder — on 30th June, 2006 at 9:54 pm  

    /\ ?????????

  16. Desi Italiana — on 30th June, 2006 at 10:18 pm  

    Meaning:

    Political spectrum in the US (VERY crudely):

    left center right
    *———————————|——-|———-*
    “liberal” “center”

    “Center” in mainstream US politics is located on the right; or, in other words, “center” here is relational to the right. “Liberal” is a bit left of the “center”, but still pretty right.

    This is very cut and dry,I know, but roughly sums up my opinion on US politics.

  17. Desi Italiana — on 30th June, 2006 at 10:20 pm  

    Oh no, it came out all funky above:

    left center right
    *——————|—|—-*
    a b
    a= “liberal”
    b= “center”

  18. Desi Italiana — on 30th June, 2006 at 10:24 pm  

    still didn’t come out right. never mind the diagram.

    “Center” in America is in relation to mainstream politics in the US, which lean heavily towards the right.

    “Liberal”, which in the US is dubbed as the “left” and connotes as such, is a bit left to the “center”. Recall, however, that the “center” is, as I have stated, more towards the right. So, “liberal” is still pretty right, though.

  19. Amir — on 30th June, 2006 at 10:31 pm  

    Kulivinder
    (I) I dunno, who?

    Ha ha! I could give plenty of names.

    (II) … generally speaking people don’t do things to get into ever increasing circles of fustration.

    ‘Frustration’ is, in many cases, an unintended consequence.

    (III) thats kinda the point

    Precisely. And, for that reason, I prefer skin-to-skin sex.

  20. Amir — on 30th June, 2006 at 10:40 pm  

    This is very cut and dry,I know, but roughly sums up my opinion on US politics

    Yes, well, errm, errm, what can I say… Lyndon B. Johnson – in keeping with the porn theme – used to bring out his dick (nicknamed ‘jumbo’) on special occasions, and often talked to his advisors while having a crap in the loo. Bet you didn’t know that?

  21. fotzepolitic — on 30th June, 2006 at 11:41 pm  

    Oh, doctor, what are you stirring up? Jeebus. I was a women’s studies major and read all the feminist essays about “empowered” women who “freely chose” careers in the sex industry. Heck, one of my fellow students was a stripper and said she considered men merely to be ATM machines. My own *personal* observation is that most of the college-educated, politicized sex workers I met in San Francisco had histories of sexual abuse and turned to that field in order to take control of something that had been taken away from them at a young age. Now, does this mean that looking at depictions of sex is bad? Nah, humans have done it since forever and it will never go away. But the contemporary situation makes me queasy on a visceral level. My other observation, having had boyfriends of all kinds for the past 15 years, is that a porn habit in and of itself says very little — it’s the guy’s MIND that matters. Some look at porn and immediately equate it to real life — “What, don’t ALL women like bukkake? They sure look like they do in those videos!” and others just use it as occasional wank material and it doesn’t affect them actually having emotionally intimate relations with females or seeing them as equal intellectual beings. I think porn can poison someone who’s already wired in a bad way and give them horrible ideas, but it’s probably harmless to others. But one should always question WHY people are taking part in porn, and whether it’s something that can truly turn you on if you think about the possible circumstances that led to it (i.e, abuse, needing money, etc). There’s also obviously the question of severity — are you talking Page 3 girls (which appall EVERY fellow American I’ve asked about it — the fact that they’re scattered around tube carriages around children really annoys me) or are you talking darker things? Where does one draw the line?

  22. Dave Hill — on 1st July, 2006 at 12:04 am  

    OK. Here’s the problem with porn. And the solution!

    http://davehill.typepad.com/temperama/2006/06/porn_liberty.html

    Best Wishes!

  23. Kulvinder — on 1st July, 2006 at 7:44 am  

    ‘Frustration’ is, in many cases, an unintended consequence.

    That makes no sense.

  24. Vikrant — on 1st July, 2006 at 9:28 am  

    Porn is gr8 (especially if you download it for fee from Limewire like me), unless ofcourse you get caught by your mums (like me :( )…

  25. raz — on 1st July, 2006 at 12:34 pm  

    “unless ofcourse you get caught by your mums”

    Bloody hell Vikrant, how embarassing!

  26. El Cid — on 1st July, 2006 at 12:43 pm  

    Actually, that happened to me when I was 12. What made it worse was that my mum laughed rather than get cross. Women can be so cruel. I locked myself in the toilet for hours. I still bristle at the embarassment.
    Still, could have been a lot worse — I could have been caught in the act of putting the porn to good use. Now that would be the absolute fucking worse. Keep your eyes and ears peeled Vik.

  27. Rohin — on 1st July, 2006 at 2:51 pm  

    fotze, Amir and others. In the show, I don’t really say anything different to what you’ve been saying but just from a slightly different angle. Bare Bear in mind that I was given a position I had to defend, as opposed to being chosen for my viewpoint. I was trying to help out, but I didn’t say anything I disagree with.

    Essentially, what I said was that porn has always and will always exist, there will always be a market for it. So why not regulate it and make sure conditions are better than they often are now?

    In terms of women going into the sex trade because they had been sexually abused, sorry to sound insensitive, but so what? People always make career choices based on their experiences. Porn is not unique as an unusual and sometimes unpleasant industry to go into simply because you’ve had a difficult life. We can’t prevent people from doing something based on our opinion of whether they are ‘balanced’ or not.

    Likewise, men who watch porn and think that all women like it in the face are idiots.

    Amir I’m sure most people prefer having sex to watching it. But apart from those men who get porn creep (hooked on it), it doens’t become a substitute for sex, simply an adjunct. Men with a sexual partner have a joust just like men without a partner do; it satisfies different things for different people.

    What you seem to be referring to Amir is someone whose taken it too far – neglecting your social life and staying in on Friday night with a box of Kleenex and Naughty Nurses is lame (unless they’re real nurses…hmm) and the kind of people who do that would probably always find something to isolate themselves from social interaction. I think it’s completely wrong to say that men only like ‘fucking’, that’s a wild generalisation.

    Finally, despite agreeing to talk about this – and as I said I don’t say anything I don’t believe – I really don’t care for porn, personally. But yet I’m in favour of it.

  28. Vikrant — on 1st July, 2006 at 3:16 pm  

    Well Widnows Media Player history betrayed me!!! Tough thankfully it wasnt one from my “extreme fantasies collection”. My mum gave me a long sermon about how she didnt expect me to turn out “like this”, my step-dad got cross and my dad laughed!

  29. Rakhee — on 1st July, 2006 at 7:28 pm  

    Rohin – agree with you overall but not convinced about your comment ‘In terms of women going into the sex trade because they had been sexually abused, sorry to sound insensitive, but so what? People always make career choices based on their experiences’.

    There’s a huge difference between working as a secretary or post man and being a porn star. Sexual intimacy is a powerful thing which (whether you’re f**king or ‘making luurve’) does have some sort of psychological impact. If you’ve been sexually abused, working as a porn star will damage you mentally more so than a normal profession.

    The fact is that the porn industry is highly lucrative. Stars know that that while they’re young, they can make more money in one day than they could in a month elsewhere. You also don’t need to be educated (I’m beginning to sound like an bloody advert). The point is that if you’re vulnerable (emotionally, financially or academically even), I can see that it can be attractive which isn’t a good thing for people who can’t handle it.

    Being so lucrative also leads to women being forced to do something which they don’t want to do. We all know that women are taken from one country to the next on false pretences (in a similar way to prostitution) to be in porn films as they have no choice.

    Most worryingly, the porn industry has a dark side.

    If you’re balanced and you see porn for what it is, I personally think it’s harmless and can be a part of a healthy sexual relationship for BOTH women and men.

    However, there are some depraved people out there (both producing the films and watching them) who will go to any lengths to feed a not-so-pleasant desire.

    This is the part which I can imaging is spiralling out of control.

  30. raz — on 1st July, 2006 at 7:34 pm  

    Rohin : “I really don’t care for porn, personally”

    LOL, Yeah right! ;)

  31. Rohin — on 1st July, 2006 at 7:38 pm  

    I’ve seen some porn which is horrifying. It’s perfectly apparent that the woman is not enjoying herself and it is essentially abuse. So yes, I’m aware porn has a dark side.

    But Rakhee what I meant about choosing a way to earn money is that when people are looking for money, they do things they may not want to. This is a fact of life and not exclusive to porn. If the porn industry was not so large, far more women would enter the sex trade as prostitutes. Strip bars were looked upon as nasty places which exploited women, but now they are regarded by some as great jobs to have (not sure about that) but they certainly have improved. The same is happening in porn, women are increasingly in control and better treated.

    People can be vulnerable and open to others taking advantage of them. This is true of money lenders, porn directors, glamour modelling photographers, builders etc etc etc. We can’t wring our hands and say “ooh but they’re being taken advantage of” if they are entering the industry of their own free will. This is the way of the world, adults have to fend for themselves. As long as they are over 18 and decide themselves to do porn, I can’t see anything wrong with it.

    People should enter porn with their legs eyes open and the more formal contracts etc exist, the better.

  32. Rakhee — on 1st July, 2006 at 7:49 pm  

    You’ve seen porn which is horrifying? Rohin, I’m beginning to think you might have a dark side. Just kidding.

    Completely agree with your point – just think that when it comes to mixing extremes like sexually abused people with the porn industry, well, let’s just say a shudder goes down my spine. Feels kinda heartless to say ‘you’re over 18, deal with it’.

  33. Amir — on 1st July, 2006 at 9:21 pm  

    Rakhee,
    Have you ever participated in a ‘home movie’ before? ;-)

  34. Ravi Naik — on 1st July, 2006 at 11:17 pm  

    “Actually, that happened to me when I was 12. What made it worse was that my mum laughed rather than get cross”

    Mine was worse. My pile of porn under my bed disappeared one day when I was 13. I knew my mom had took it, but she didn’t say a word, and of course I didn’t as well. The silence was embarassing. But that would prepare me for the psychological warfare that one endures when living with the opposite sex. :)

  35. Kulvinder — on 2nd July, 2006 at 8:46 pm  

    I fail to see why the porn industry inclusive of its ‘dark side’ *psycho music* is demonstrably worse when taken in totality than, say, hollywood.

  36. Kulvinder — on 2nd July, 2006 at 8:57 pm  

    Incidently if anyone having googled ‘indian porn’ months if not years in the future stumbles on this post and is very dissapointed at the lack of links to pornstars of south asian origin, i can only say i share(d) your dismay.

  37. Rakhee — on 3rd July, 2006 at 11:27 am  

    Amir – how funny. You’re the second person to have asked me this question in the past 2 days.

    Think about it, even if I had, would I admit it on a site filled with testorone fuelled asian men? Me thinks not ;-)

  38. Vikrant — on 3rd July, 2006 at 11:37 am  

    Rakhee dont give us ambigious answers… nothing turns on ‘testorone fuelled’ Asian men than ambigious answers…

  39. karanbeers — on 23rd July, 2006 at 7:52 pm  

    Haven’t been able to go through all the comments… i’m afraid they got a bit corpulent and boring. No offense. Maybe i just like reading quality porn.

    pornography is great, or atleast my affair with it has been enjoyable. Always. Besides, why watch or read something that’s not enjoyed?

    again, prewarned apologies, but most of you guys suck. Since when has porn been for the sole purpose of PERSONAL pleasure?

    Some of my most memorable sexcapades have been with porno-hotties moaning in the background.

    Ofcourse, there is a maligned side to everything. Sexual abuse needs to be prevented. but it will not stop if we close our minds to our sexual appetites and nature. I get a hard-on almost every morning and i know i like to wake up to a wanton expression on my girl’s face.

    spread of information and knowledge always opens the door to misuse of that info – pandora’s box. But that’s a myth. truth is that the only way to combat sexual abuse is to be open to sex and its extremes, to know about it and understand what abuse is.

    Infact, i feel pornograophy is a great way to keep sexual perverts at bay. If they know its available on dvd, most won’t graduate from pervs to perps.

    I say, Hurrah Porn!

  40. Rohin — on 23rd July, 2006 at 9:39 pm  

    “but most of you guys suck”

    But how do you know? Uh oh, have you been watching Hide the Pickle, the PP porno?

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