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  • The audacity of Bush’s goons

    by Sunny
    27th June, 2006 at 3:48 pm    

    You have to laugh at the rubbish the Bush administrations comes out with, don’t you. What else can you do really. On Sunday the New York Times reported that:

    Under a secret Bush administration program initiated weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, counterterrorism officials have gained access to financial records from a vast international database and examined banking transactions involving thousands of Americans and others in the United States, according to government and industry officials.

    Are we surprised the Bush administration is trying to enroach the privacy of people across the world in its “war on terror”? Not really. But it gets funnier.

    The same day Republican Peter King urged the Bush administration to prosecute the paper, saying: “We’re at war, and for the Times to release information about secret operations and methods is treasonous.” He added it was “more concerned about a left-wing elitist agenda than it is about the security of the American people.” Unsurprisingly Dick ‘shoot your face off’ Cheney weighed in. The NYT’s executive editor has defended himself in a letter in the paper.

    It’s hilarious isn’t it. They want freedom of the press and self-criticism in other countries but the Bush administration does not want it in their own back yard. Anything that goes against their agenda can be declared treasonous.

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    1. Kismet Hardy — on 27th June, 2006 at 4:03 pm  

      As Bill Hicks (pbuh) once said:

      “Go back to bed, America, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed America, your goverment is in control. Here, here’s American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!”

    2. sonia — on 27th June, 2006 at 4:26 pm  

      Long live the spirit of bIll hicks the man was a genius

    3. Kismet Hardy — on 27th June, 2006 at 4:37 pm  

      I’m pretty convinced the CIA offed him, but Sunny’s banned me from talking conspiracy theories

      See America let the likes of Michael Moore and Sean Penn bleat against the country, but they’re ridiculed in equal measures. Bill was on their list right up there with Chuck D.

      Anyhoo, back to Chris Rock. See white guy drives like this, but black guys drive like this…

      As Homer Simpson once said, it’s funny because it’s true

    4. Sunny — on 27th June, 2006 at 5:04 pm  

      There’s an article in today’s Guardian about 7/7 conspiracy theories Kismet. I’m gonna email it to Inayat Bunglawala and see what he says. Heh.

    5. Bikhair aka Taqiyyah — on 27th June, 2006 at 6:33 pm  


      You need to stop harrassing my President he has a duty to protect the country as any other state leader.

    6. Nyrone — on 27th June, 2006 at 7:01 pm  

      that’s right….question their patriotism, accuse them of treason towards the home country….silence all dissent through this vague ‘we shouldn’t be publishing this stuff’ kind of comments…when will these US puppets in power learn that people do not look kindly upon a severe sacrifice and erosion of their civil liberties to ‘assist’ with this ‘war on the evil-doers’that loses more steam and credibility by the day? The press are just doing their job for a change, and that moron Dick Cheney just can’t take it, especially after being recently caught out by them himself, for being a trigger-happy ponce.

      I’m pretty suprised that Bill Keller actually took the time out to explain and justify his position regarding the publication of this information. It’s a well crafted piece on the validity of printing as a means to encourage wider debate about issues amongst communities. It’s a shame he feels he has to drag out all the old facts about freedom of press and reasons for putting this information out to the public, in a precarious time where we have seen a monstrously inept and inaccurate style of ‘reporting’ leading up to the war. It’s been mentioned around the grapevine several times in the past few years already, but I do wonder how many journalists sincerely feel guilty about how they covered the lead-up to the war in Iraq, and whether there is any truth to the theory that if journalists had done their job properly, the war may even have been averted in the first place.

    7. Leon — on 27th June, 2006 at 7:26 pm  

      “Long live the spirit of bIll hicks the man was a genius”


    8. Zak — on 27th June, 2006 at 7:28 pm  

      Why the shock sunny..i mean the report has just formalised what everyones known. There have been anecdotal stories of people who have had money frozen during transfers so it doesn’t surprise me that theyd be looking into accounts.

    9. Zak — on 27th June, 2006 at 7:29 pm  

      case in point

    10. Leon — on 27th June, 2006 at 7:29 pm  

      “You need to stop harrassing my President he has a duty to protect the country as any other state leader.”

      But aint that the point? He aint protecting American citizens; he’s making their lives more insecure (including economically).

      The whole Neo con lot (and their mealy mouthed “leftist” supporters) have created a real mess in Iraq, fueled terrorism there and elsewhere and made a joke out of the terms democracy and civil liberties…

    11. Nyrone — on 27th June, 2006 at 8:27 pm  

      Bush Vs The Media….round 787
      Bush: You plonkers, the warrantless eavesdropping, extraordinary rendition allegations of secret prisons in Europe for torture, NSA wiretapping…and now this? How DARE you report the news? You will go to JAIL YOU TRAITORS!!

    12. Desi Italiana — on 27th June, 2006 at 8:43 pm  

      Hmmmmm….I love Bush bashing and gleefully joining in diatribes against Americans and our politics as much as the next person, but at the risk of sounding inflammatory, what about Junior Partner Blair ;) ?

      (PS. Do not mean to Britain bash. I have lots of family there…in fact, someone from my kutuumb just might be reading this blog, in which case, I would like to give a shout out to my clan in Britain.)

    13. Sunny — on 27th June, 2006 at 11:39 pm  

      You can bash Blair as much as you like here Desi Italiana, for most issues we would probably join in ;)

    14. sonia — on 28th June, 2006 at 12:14 am  

      Yes have you guys seen Blair’s post on Comment is Free today? Ah so much fun is being had..the comments read like a treat..,,1806669,00.html

      In any case the whole point of a democratic nation is one which welcomes criticism of power by the people. not one that hides behind its nationhood. And none of this oh you’re not from our country so you can’t criticize - that would be rubbish in this global age.

    15. sonia — on 28th June, 2006 at 12:15 am  

      They aren’t diatribes against ‘Americans’ but specific institutions and people who happen to be American.

    16. Arif — on 28th June, 2006 at 10:54 am  

      Initially I felt like I don’t get what the problem was, on this. Maybe because I don’t have a large and complex financial portfolio….

      But when thinking about what might be shocking about monitoring financial flows I think that it might be because information could be used for purposes other than finding terrorist financiers. I guess most civil liberties issues for me boil down to this. The State can look into my life and use it either to persecute or frame me if it doesn’t like me.

      Secret Services routinely monitored everyday dissidents of the most harmless kind - antinuclear pacifists, opposition politicians and so on. And the reality of dirty tricks and agents provocateurs is almost considered normal politics when I read cynical commentators of recent history.

      I guess we need to really trust the State, and also believe the nature of the State will never change before it is safe to give it the right to snoop on us. As Cardinal Richelieu said: “If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them that will hang him.”

      I expect all predatory States will search for more swords of damocles to dangle above our heads when they find it in their interest. At the moment the swords exists obviously in totalitarian societies, but the societies which consider themselves free would challenge the legitimacy of the existence of such swords. So the NY Times really is doing something useful, even though it seems as newsworthy as “socks being sold in the market” to me at first sight.

      I think this is part of a wider debate of core constitutional values because both liberal and conservative ideas of State legitimacy tend to assume the State must justify its existence to citizens. I think we have to avoid being frightened into the position where we give the State the right to judge our legitimacy as citizens.

      At the moment we might think the secrecy and snooping is for our own benefit. But I don’t trust our elected politicians (in any country I can think of) not to use such tools, once accepted, to promote their ideologies and suppress their radical opponents…. You are with us or against us…

    17. sonia — on 28th June, 2006 at 12:37 pm  

      Spot on Arif - “I think we have to avoid being frightened into the position where we give the State the right to judge our legitimacy as citizens.”

      I echo Jai in his compliments on your writing.

    18. Sunny — on 28th June, 2006 at 2:27 pm  

      Don’t say too many nice things about Arif or he’ll develop an ego! And we know an ego is bad. Say nice things about me, I can handle it!

    19. sonia — on 28th June, 2006 at 2:56 pm  


    20. Vikrant — on 28th June, 2006 at 3:41 pm  

      Say nice things about me, I can handle it!

      Lol sunny, some nutter put some not-so-flattering comments on your lil Wikipedia biography i started!

      Sunny Hundal Is a Indian Born In India. He Currently Presides In GVCA(Greater Victoria Christian Academy)And Is 13yrs Of Age.He Lives In Canada Victoria British Columbia. He Is A total Rebel And Hates Belly Dancing( This isnt what he really hates Janae just suggested it to him). He Loves To Walk On Streets And Call People Names

      If You Ever See Him STAY AWAY!!!!!!!!!

      HE WILL RAPE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!


      and he is completely in love with this beautiful, blonde, green eyed girl named Janae Sevre.

      soo beware of him , because yeah he is dangerous and he’s in love, not a good combination.

      ohh and Janae is not single!! muahahahaha

    21. j0nz — on 29th June, 2006 at 2:35 pm  

      Hypocrisy of the highest order from New York Times (makes a change)

      NYT September 24th 2001

      Organizing the hijacking of the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon took significant sums of money. The cost of these plots suggests that putting Osama bin Laden and other international terrorists out of business will require more than diplomatic coalitions and military action. Washington and its allies must also disable the financial networks used by terrorists.

      The Bush administration is preparing new laws to help track terrorists through their money-laundering activity and is readying an executive order freezing the assets of known terrorists. Much more is needed, including stricter regulations, the recruitment of specialized investigators and greater cooperation with foreign banking authorities. There must also must be closer coordination among America’s law enforcement, national security and financial regulatory agencies.

    22. j0nz — on 29th June, 2006 at 2:38 pm  

      Sunny wasn’t it you that was banging on about freedom of speech comes with responsibility?

      I suppose it doesn’t count as long as it works against the Bush administration, eh?

    23. Sunny — on 29th June, 2006 at 3:00 pm  

      What is the responsibility required here j0nz? You don’t think its in the public interest to know if your govt is sifting through your financial records or spying on you?

    24. j0nz — on 29th June, 2006 at 3:22 pm  

      Well the New York Times obviously didn’t think so on the 24th September 2001.

      The responsiblity to not undermine the government to do very basic things like track bank accounts that may be used to fund terrorism.

      You do realise that intelligence in this country is way ahead in terms of tracking bank accounts, don’t you? This has been going on for decades in this country… Maybe you should go on a march Sunny to protest about the oppressive nature of intelligence gathering…

    25. sonia — on 29th June, 2006 at 4:03 pm  

      :-) hardly - they don’t seem to gather much ‘intelligence’ ha! anyway tracking of accounts is a bit different to ‘freezing’ them. surely if they were as smart as they claim they ought to be able to track stuff without having to freeze them. and intelligence gathering - well im all for it. if again - they’re so clever they ought to be able to catch bin laden from all those videos the man released. id rather we avoid having to use brute force when a little bit of smart thinking could achieve the same objectives.

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