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		<title>By: Nick Seacole Griffin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-180228</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Seacole Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Labour ought to represented by the saucy lil&#039; Hazel Kitkat Blears, Jackie Jackboots, Jack Straw of Blackburnistan or maybe even Lord Mandelson of Corfu so we could all get a good chance to feast our eyes on his twenty-thousand-quid Patek Philippe watch.

&quot;Tho&#039; cowards flinch and traitors sneer ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Labour ought to represented by the saucy lil&#8217; Hazel Kitkat Blears, Jackie Jackboots, Jack Straw of Blackburnistan or maybe even Lord Mandelson of Corfu so we could all get a good chance to feast our eyes on his twenty-thousand-quid Patek Philippe watch.</p>
<p>&#8220;Tho&#8217; cowards flinch and traitors sneer &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-180226</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to have seen John Cruddas or Chuka Umunna on there for Labour, and someone erudite like Stephen Fry. Can&#039;t wait to see the BNP look a bunch of fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to have seen John Cruddas or Chuka Umunna on there for Labour, and someone erudite like Stephen Fry. Can&#8217;t wait to see the BNP look a bunch of fools.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179726</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5cc:

Sorry, just saw your comment for some reason. Those, as of today, are the responses that we have received.

Duncan Stott:

Thanks for that. I hope Huhne proves up to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5cc:</p>
<p>Sorry, just saw your comment for some reason. Those, as of today, are the responses that we have received.</p>
<p>Duncan Stott:</p>
<p>Thanks for that. I hope Huhne proves up to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Stott</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179725</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the Q&amp;A session at the Lib Dem Conference, Nick Clegg said Chris Huhne was putting himself up for Question Time against Griffin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the Q&amp;A session at the Lib Dem Conference, Nick Clegg said Chris Huhne was putting himself up for Question Time against Griffin.</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179697</link>
		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks 5cc.</description>
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		<title>By: 5cc</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179696</link>
		<dc:creator>5cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jai,

My email address is in the full profile at 5cc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jai,</p>
<p>My email address is in the full profile at 5cc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179693</link>
		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5cc,

As far as I know, so far only those two sets of questions have been formally presented to the BNP by the intermediary.

However, during the weekend I did present another opportunity for responses to two further sets of questions from the full list, as indicated here http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6008#comment-179433 and here http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6008#comment-179439 .

As you can see, no answers were forthcoming.

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On a separate note, for future reference, is there a way to confidentially contact you offline via email or via your blog ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5cc,</p>
<p>As far as I know, so far only those two sets of questions have been formally presented to the BNP by the intermediary.</p>
<p>However, during the weekend I did present another opportunity for responses to two further sets of questions from the full list, as indicated here <a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6008#comment-179433" rel="nofollow">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6008#comment-179433</a> and here <a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6008#comment-179439" rel="nofollow">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6008#comment-179439</a> .</p>
<p>As you can see, no answers were forthcoming.</p>
<p>*******************************************************</p>
<p>On a separate note, for future reference, is there a way to confidentially contact you offline via email or via your blog ?</p>
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		<title>By: 5cc</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179692</link>
		<dc:creator>5cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jai/Rumbold:

Did you ever get answers to any subsequent set of questions, or were there only the two sets?  I can find the first set, and the ones linked to above but I can&#039;t seem to find any others.

Interesting to go through stuff with a clear head when things aren&#039;t so immediate as they were months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jai/Rumbold:</p>
<p>Did you ever get answers to any subsequent set of questions, or were there only the two sets?  I can find the first set, and the ones linked to above but I can&#8217;t seem to find any others.</p>
<p>Interesting to go through stuff with a clear head when things aren&#8217;t so immediate as they were months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: dave bones</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179613</link>
		<dc:creator>dave bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markj- Yup, HT or Choudharry or this lee character, but only if he is going to properly froth. Why have boring people on all the time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markj- Yup, HT or Choudharry or this lee character, but only if he is going to properly froth. Why have boring people on all the time?</p>
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		<title>By: 5cc</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179595</link>
		<dc:creator>5cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just having another look at the answers to questions linked to in the post at the top.

The answer says that anyone who trusts government immigration stats is gullible, and the BNP will conduct a population audit.  So we&#039;re supposed to trust the party of Richard &#039;three murders in Barking&#039; Barnbrook over the current ONS.

That&#039;ll work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just having another look at the answers to questions linked to in the post at the top.</p>
<p>The answer says that anyone who trusts government immigration stats is gullible, and the BNP will conduct a population audit.  So we&#8217;re supposed to trust the party of Richard &#8216;three murders in Barking&#8217; Barnbrook over the current ONS.</p>
<p>That&#8217;ll work.</p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179580</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;People who think that the BNP ought to be a legal political party, and that others ought to â€˜engage in debateâ€™ with it, are by definition pro-BNP. &#039;

You&#039;re a bit fucking thick, aren&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;People who think that the BNP ought to be a legal political party, and that others ought to â€˜engage in debateâ€™ with it, are by definition pro-BNP. &#8216;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a bit fucking thick, aren&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Markj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someone from HT so people can see how similar HT and the BNP are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone from HT so people can see how similar HT and the BNP are.</p>
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		<title>By: Morrigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179567</link>
		<dc:creator>Morrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenan Malik on the BBC:

&quot;The writer and economist Philippe Legrain is unimpressed. &quot;It shows a complete lack of trust in the British people to suggest that if they&#039;re exposed to racist views on television, they&#039;ll all be swayed by them.&quot; 

Many [new BNP supporters] are traditional Labour supporters who now feel abandoned by the political mainstream, anxious about their future and distrustful of any figure of authority... 

It is the failure to engage with them, and with their fears and concerns, that helped pave their way to the far right...

Others fear that support for the BNP will continue to grow unless mainstream politicians accept that indigenous Britons are being unfairly treated. It&#039;s a view that has led many politicians who are not racist nevertheless to echo the claims of the far-right...&quot;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8275282.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenan Malik on the BBC:</p>
<p>&#8220;The writer and economist Philippe Legrain is unimpressed. &#8220;It shows a complete lack of trust in the British people to suggest that if they&#8217;re exposed to racist views on television, they&#8217;ll all be swayed by them.&#8221; </p>
<p>Many [new BNP supporters] are traditional Labour supporters who now feel abandoned by the political mainstream, anxious about their future and distrustful of any figure of authority&#8230; </p>
<p>It is the failure to engage with them, and with their fears and concerns, that helped pave their way to the far right&#8230;</p>
<p>Others fear that support for the BNP will continue to grow unless mainstream politicians accept that indigenous Britons are being unfairly treated. It&#8217;s a view that has led many politicians who are not racist nevertheless to echo the claims of the far-right&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8275282.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8275282.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the main reasons that there is a BNP, is that there are liberals who think there &lt;i&gt;ought&lt;/i&gt; to be a BNP. The alternative option is of course to ban it, for which there are enough instruments available, especially anti-terrorism laws and powers. That applies in other EU countries with xenophobic parties. People who think that the BNP ought to be a legal political party, and that others ought to &#039;engage in debate&#039; with it, are by definition pro-BNP. Their willingness to defend the BNP indicates that xenophobia is not confined to the typical BNP voter.

What I don&#039;t understand is how they can combine this insistence on debating the BNP, with denial of the BNP&#039;s policy concerns. To advocate debate with the BNP suggests a recognition of the concerns of its voters. However, on many other issues, this blog and its regular contributors downplay or deny these concerns. (It&#039;s true the BNP is itself evasive).

A specific example: Geert Wilders recently proposed the deportation of several million Muslims. He back-pedalled the next day, and the BNP hides behind &quot;voluntary repatriation&quot;. There is probably substantial support for mass deportations, and yet concrete proposals are absent from the political arena. Now, I know what Sunny Hundal would say to that. He would say: &quot;no evidence for that option, its at most a tiny minority who want that option, British voters are concerned about extremism, we (Asians / Muslims) must therefore deal with the extremists in our own communities&quot;. Such denial of widespread xenophobia is a typical response, from the political and media elite.

But if you follow this logic, then either

a.  the BNP belong to the &#039;tiny minority&#039; - so in that case why spend time prominently debating with them?

b. the BNP agree with Sunny Hundal and the political mainstream - meaning they have no problems with Islam as such, or with immigration as such, they just want the government (and the Muslim communities) to deal with the Islamist extremists. So in that case, what&#039;s the point of the debate?

If the mainstream response is indeed correct, then surely it is all very simple. The government can intern the &#039;tiny minority&#039; of Islamists, and the &#039;tiny minority&#039; of Muslims who support them, and indeed the &#039;tiny minority&#039; of EDL supporters. Then, with these 300 or so people interned somewhere like Thurso, the BNP will dissolve itself, harmony will prevail, and Britain will be happy and glorious once more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the main reasons that there is a BNP, is that there are liberals who think there <i>ought</i> to be a BNP. The alternative option is of course to ban it, for which there are enough instruments available, especially anti-terrorism laws and powers. That applies in other EU countries with xenophobic parties. People who think that the BNP ought to be a legal political party, and that others ought to &#8216;engage in debate&#8217; with it, are by definition pro-BNP. Their willingness to defend the BNP indicates that xenophobia is not confined to the typical BNP voter.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is how they can combine this insistence on debating the BNP, with denial of the BNP&#8217;s policy concerns. To advocate debate with the BNP suggests a recognition of the concerns of its voters. However, on many other issues, this blog and its regular contributors downplay or deny these concerns. (It&#8217;s true the BNP is itself evasive).</p>
<p>A specific example: Geert Wilders recently proposed the deportation of several million Muslims. He back-pedalled the next day, and the BNP hides behind &#8220;voluntary repatriation&#8221;. There is probably substantial support for mass deportations, and yet concrete proposals are absent from the political arena. Now, I know what Sunny Hundal would say to that. He would say: &#8220;no evidence for that option, its at most a tiny minority who want that option, British voters are concerned about extremism, we (Asians / Muslims) must therefore deal with the extremists in our own communities&#8221;. Such denial of widespread xenophobia is a typical response, from the political and media elite.</p>
<p>But if you follow this logic, then either</p>
<p>a.  the BNP belong to the &#8216;tiny minority&#8217; &#8211; so in that case why spend time prominently debating with them?</p>
<p>b. the BNP agree with Sunny Hundal and the political mainstream &#8211; meaning they have no problems with Islam as such, or with immigration as such, they just want the government (and the Muslim communities) to deal with the Islamist extremists. So in that case, what&#8217;s the point of the debate?</p>
<p>If the mainstream response is indeed correct, then surely it is all very simple. The government can intern the &#8216;tiny minority&#8217; of Islamists, and the &#8216;tiny minority&#8217; of Muslims who support them, and indeed the &#8216;tiny minority&#8217; of EDL supporters. Then, with these 300 or so people interned somewhere like Thurso, the BNP will dissolve itself, harmony will prevail, and Britain will be happy and glorious once more.</p>
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		<title>By: persephone</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179563</link>
		<dc:creator>persephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Put him up against a few Black or Jewish panelists, just watch him froth at the mouth.&quot;

And a &quot;wench&quot; or two</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Put him up against a few Black or Jewish panelists, just watch him froth at the mouth.&#8221;</p>
<p>And a &#8220;wench&#8221; or two</p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6021#comment-179561</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s start a petition to get Lee John Barnes on. 

The quotes above alone are enough to undermine the credibility of the entire BNP. He&#039;s the best asset the liberal left have. 

Put him up against a few Black or Jewish panelists, just watch him froth at the mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s start a petition to get Lee John Barnes on. </p>
<p>The quotes above alone are enough to undermine the credibility of the entire BNP. He&#8217;s the best asset the liberal left have. </p>
<p>Put him up against a few Black or Jewish panelists, just watch him froth at the mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: persephone</title>
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		<dc:creator>persephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;many ordinary British people&quot;

Can you clarify whom you mean. Am asking, since Like Nick Griffin, am sure you are not claiming it to mean white people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;many ordinary British people&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you clarify whom you mean. Am asking, since Like Nick Griffin, am sure you are not claiming it to mean white people</p>
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		<title>By: persephone</title>
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		<dc:creator>persephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;my fear is that many ordinary British people who watch will be left feeling that the only way their overwhelming desire to change the staggering and unsettling demographic change in this country is to vote BNP&quot;

Perhaps some thought that would also be the effect before Glenn Beck was interviewed. Though I do not think that the many ordinary american folk were driven to change the &#039;staggering and unsettling&#039; demographic in the states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;my fear is that many ordinary British people who watch will be left feeling that the only way their overwhelming desire to change the staggering and unsettling demographic change in this country is to vote BNP&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps some thought that would also be the effect before Glenn Beck was interviewed. Though I do not think that the many ordinary american folk were driven to change the &#8216;staggering and unsettling&#8217; demographic in the states.</p>
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		<title>By: dave bones</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah ask him about white culture. Who is Lee Barnes? Why not debate with him? I don&#039;t get it at all. Is debate a competitive sport? Like a pissing contest with words? Talk to people for fucks sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah ask him about white culture. Who is Lee Barnes? Why not debate with him? I don&#8217;t get it at all. Is debate a competitive sport? Like a pissing contest with words? Talk to people for fucks sake.</p>
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		<title>By: persephone</title>
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		<dc:creator>persephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 34 Does not the term indigenous mean white in the context of his quote. The difference is in the language used.</description>
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