I don’t believe you, or your analysis. In fact, I think you are all over the shop.

Many Muslims believe they are MI5 agents used as a honey trap or agent provocateurs.

Well, you’d either know you were, in which case you’d remain silent, or you’d just be talking out of your arse..

Yes I know, its just quite possible someone is going to get very hurt or very dead and everyones right to protest gets curtailed by the Home Secretary.

EDL claim that they are against extremists Muslims only i.e. Anjum Choudry Al Muhajerun and the 8 or so looneys who protested in Luton. The fact is these people and this tiny group who number less than 50 nationally are so hated by the UK Muslim community that they have been banned from every mosque and have been chased and beaten up literally since the 1990’s especially in the North and they will never get support from UK Muslims (that’s why you never see them up North but that’s another whole topic altogether TJs know what im talking about). It’s a shame that this has not been publicised and very few people except Muslims are aware of this. People really need to know that the UK Muslim community have been fighting this tiny vociferous Minority for the last 15 years! Out of over a thousand mosques in the country they were only able to preach at one i.e. Finsbury Park Mosque and that was only after they physically beat up the trustees and took it over. Thankfully the mosque is now back with the trustees after successful legal action. That’s why they are always on the streets or talking to the media who lap it all up, Anjum Choudry is not even a trained qualified Islamic Scholar in fact he did law at uni before he became a looney.

Many Muslims believe they are MI5 agents used as a honey trap or agent provocateurs. Ask yourselves this, why is Anjum Choudry never arrested??? Why do high profile MPs call for action against them and then nothing happens and you never hear about it ever again? Why do they only pop up at the most opportune moments cause extreme offence and then disappear again? Why are they on first name terms with the media/journalists? Why are they portrayed as if they have support from and speak for the UK Muslim community? This whole outfit stinks!

Therefore the EDL have no reason to march but they use Anjum Choudry and his band of loons as an excuse for race hatred and to attack Muslims just listen to their chants and posts on the net which consists of P*** and N***** in reference to the huge numbers of Black Caribbean youths who joined the anti-Nazi protest in Birmingham and Harrow. The EDL are nothing more than street fighters for fascist political forces i.e. Black shirts or the brown-shirted Stormtroopers. For all those who support the EDL/BNP I just say be careful what you wish for!

What this is certainly about is the testosterone of being a gang member. Whether it is of the English Defence League, or the insanity of the likes of Anjem Choudhary, or the SWP?

You think you can explain or rationalise through violence?

I think you are all kidding yourselves. I do not think they speak for thee or me. I think they are all nutters…

Frankly, I never expected to agree with you on anything. But on this I do.

Bloody hell!

Cheers. I accept that I got you wrong. We should get Observer Badges to distinguish us from the politicos around here!

Though I’d need mine with Velcro.

Have you come under the spell of Mr Galloway?

When I was but a barrowboy, think the Hovis advert sans bike, I remember a man in an open top Mercedes driving along Dumbarton Road looking for all the world like a cat that had got the cream. I took an instant dislike to him, and it has never left me. For as someone whispered in my ear,

“That’s George Galloway, he’s an MP and he’s a chancer.”

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Just as an afterthought, not in any way related to the above, heaven forfend! I found John Le Carrés book A Perfect Spy a particularily interesting read.

And thanks to you, I’ve learned some new words and phrases (after looking them up). Ennui and force de frappe.

”Still. I think they add to the idea that white people have dimensions too.”

That’s what I meant the other day when I talked about trying to ‘understand’ the EDL type people.
Not to concede anything to them, but to try to know what makes them tick.

Sure, I wasn’t trying to paint them as angels. I just thought that on the thread I linked to they weren’t that interested in the EDL.

Sometimes, that is as much as you can hope for.

Heh!

Better ennui rather than force de frappe.

Guess I’d be better not posting there…

Still. I think they add to the idea that white people have dimensions too.

However, my point was that they didn’t actually seem to care much for the EDL. You disagree?

The reason I linked to one of their threads was because I thought it helped explain that mentality (which the EDL shares).
Some had said they had left the area near Millwall’s ground where they grew up, and admit it was for (so called) white flight reasons that they did it.

I know people are busy, and there is so much on the world wide web, but I felt that it was an interesting part of society to observe.

Like John Game and Dave Spart.

I think subjecting street thugs to ridicule can only be a good thing. It might not be the whole answer, but it might be part of it. Cookie Cutters’ suggestion that they have played three and lost three is quite streetwise, I’d have thought.

It actually achieves no sensible agenda to favour one violent group over another, does it?

Have you some information you’d like to share with us about the prospective size of the demonstrations in Manchester, Leeds, Newport and Glasgow? Because there isn’t much to indicate that the EDL could organise a piss up in a brewery. Nor that the WDL or the SDL actually exist at all. So far.

The link (@43) I gave to Millwall supporters talking about this suggests that this is something exercising the political class rather than the football class.

Just saying, don’t pour petrol on a fire that may well go out, left to it’s own devices.