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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24896</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Have the Brit Police lost the plot, or is this the trailer for Theatre of the Absurd?&lt;/i&gt;

Its just process, they have a list of extremist groups and they have to run throught them. This is no different than me ticking the &quot;I&#039;ve never committed a war crime&quot; when I pass through US customs.

You&#039;ll note that the police are meant to have said at the time that it was ridiculous but they had to ask. I  bet they asked them if they were a member of ETA, just as ridiculous but the boys most likely wouldn&#039;t know who they were.

TFI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Have the Brit Police lost the plot, or is this the trailer for Theatre of the Absurd?</i></p>
<p>Its just process, they have a list of extremist groups and they have to run throught them. This is no different than me ticking the &#8220;I&#8217;ve never committed a war crime&#8221; when I pass through US customs.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll note that the police are meant to have said at the time that it was ridiculous but they had to ask. I  bet they asked them if they were a member of ETA, just as ridiculous but the boys most likely wouldn&#8217;t know who they were.</p>
<p>TFI</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Milner</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24867</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Milner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that really got me rolling in the aisles was the question: &quot;Are you a member of the Ku Klux Klan?&quot; The KK (Keystone Kops) were asking a Muslim. I knew cops were thick, but …They&#039;ll be asking Blacks next. Almost as good as asking the actors in &quot;The Road to Guantanamo&quot; movie, who would I go to for surface-to-air missiles in Tipton? Have you tried the BNP, hear they do a nice line in Stinger missiles. Have the Brit Police lost the plot, or is this the trailer for Theatre of the Absurd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that really got me rolling in the aisles was the question: &#8220;Are you a member of the Ku Klux Klan?&#8221; The KK (Keystone Kops) were asking a Muslim. I knew cops were thick, but …They&#8217;ll be asking Blacks next. Almost as good as asking the actors in &#8220;The Road to Guantanamo&#8221; movie, who would I go to for surface-to-air missiles in Tipton? Have you tried the BNP, hear they do a nice line in Stinger missiles. Have the Brit Police lost the plot, or is this the trailer for Theatre of the Absurd?</p>
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		<title>By: Kulvinder</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24866</link>
		<dc:creator>Kulvinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was the video imbed problem sorted out with v9beta?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was the video imbed problem sorted out with v9beta?</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24843</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, we&#039;ve formed a mini club! It just goes to show that we chatting classes think alike when push comes to browser.

I&#039;ve no problems posting to PP, although on blogs it sometimes screws up on &lt;i&gt;italics&lt;/i&gt;, not on PP mind.

I tried 9 beta, but it didn&#039;t like my backlog of email and kept dying so I dumped it. 

My only issue at the moment is that since I put Vista Beta 2 on my PC, the email directory has moved around and I cannot figure how to configure Opera to read from the new directory.

Fabulous bit of kit, I even paid money for it ...

TFI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, we&#8217;ve formed a mini club! It just goes to show that we chatting classes think alike when push comes to browser.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no problems posting to PP, although on blogs it sometimes screws up on <i>italics</i>, not on PP mind.</p>
<p>I tried 9 beta, but it didn&#8217;t like my backlog of email and kept dying so I dumped it. </p>
<p>My only issue at the moment is that since I put Vista Beta 2 on my PC, the email directory has moved around and I cannot figure how to configure Opera to read from the new directory.</p>
<p>Fabulous bit of kit, I even paid money for it &#8230;</p>
<p>TFI</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24836</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It worked. Now that is odd. Usually I have to switch to IE to actually post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It worked. Now that is odd. Usually I have to switch to IE to actually post.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24834</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - Opera is fantastic - using v9 beta; anybody have problems posting to PP from it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; Opera is fantastic &#8211; using v9 beta; anybody have problems posting to PP from it?</p>
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		<title>By: Kulvinder</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24824</link>
		<dc:creator>Kulvinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/\ I endorse everything this man said about opera.  It really is the mutt&#039;s nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/\ I endorse everything this man said about opera.  It really is the mutt&#8217;s nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24820</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;fanboy: on&lt;/b&gt;
Firefox? Pah! I say PAH!

I&#039;m a Opera man.

All the good ideas in Firefox where nicked from Opera. 

The integrated RSS newsfeeds, email, IRC and gestures are just great. 

There is no better browser. 

&lt;b&gt;fanboy: off&lt;/b&gt;

Sorry you had to see that. Please, for god sake, don&#039;t mention the xbox 360.

TFI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>fanboy: on</b><br />
Firefox? Pah! I say PAH!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Opera man.</p>
<p>All the good ideas in Firefox where nicked from Opera. </p>
<p>The integrated RSS newsfeeds, email, IRC and gestures are just great. </p>
<p>There is no better browser. </p>
<p><b>fanboy: off</b></p>
<p>Sorry you had to see that. Please, for god sake, don&#8217;t mention the xbox 360.</p>
<p>TFI</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24815</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! my post got chopped!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! my post got chopped!</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>god you still use IE? :-) Firefox is the way forward man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>god you still use IE? <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/dablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Firefox is the way forward man</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24799</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;you asked about the symbol! look at the bottom right hand site of your browser..&lt;/i&gt;

Using IE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>you asked about the symbol! look at the bottom right hand site of your browser..</i></p>
<p>Using IE</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you asked about the symbol! look at the bottom right hand site of your browser..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you asked about the symbol! look at the bottom right hand site of your browser..</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you lived in the USA, as I do, there is a strong, powerful, wealthy, influential movement of conservatives Christians who want to keep homosexuals from being married and to reverse the legality of Roe vs. Wade which protects a womens right to an abortion. These same people, like our president are in high political office and their values, their religious values are well known. However if a secular person argued that they were trying to create some Christian theocratic state they would be laughed at because the idea is ridiculous.&quot;

well it&#039;s certainly true there are powerful forces at work trying to overturn roe vs. wade - all those conservative judges elected by conservative politicians, goodness. i also think there are lots of people out there highlighting this sort of thing as examples of christian fundamentalism. i&#039;m also sure some people do laugh at them when they say that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you lived in the USA, as I do, there is a strong, powerful, wealthy, influential movement of conservatives Christians who want to keep homosexuals from being married and to reverse the legality of Roe vs. Wade which protects a womens right to an abortion. These same people, like our president are in high political office and their values, their religious values are well known. However if a secular person argued that they were trying to create some Christian theocratic state they would be laughed at because the idea is ridiculous.&#8221;</p>
<p>well it&#8217;s certainly true there are powerful forces at work trying to overturn roe vs. wade &#8211; all those conservative judges elected by conservative politicians, goodness. i also think there are lots of people out there highlighting this sort of thing as examples of christian fundamentalism. i&#8217;m also sure some people do laugh at them when they say that.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24785</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indigo Jo Blogs is an RSS feed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indigo Jo Blogs is an RSS feed?</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24784</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rss feed..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rss feed..</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24783</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Indigo, whats with that odd icon next to your name? It looks like some sort of wireless symbol ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Indigo, whats with that odd icon next to your name? It looks like some sort of wireless symbol &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo Jo Blogs</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24781</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo Jo Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Quotes from Forest Gate brothers...&lt;/strong&gt;

BBC NEWS &#124; UK &#124; In quotes: Terror raid brothers Abdul Kahar: As soon as I turn around I just see an orange spark and a big bang. At that time I flew into the wall. As I flew into......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Quotes from Forest Gate brothers&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>BBC NEWS | UK | In quotes: Terror raid brothers Abdul Kahar: As soon as I turn around I just see an orange spark and a big bang. At that time I flew into the wall. As I flew into&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24780</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthea - #92 very well said! mirax - thanx for the links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthea &#8211; #92 very well said! mirax &#8211; thanx for the links.</p>
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		<title>By: justforfun</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/580/comment-page-3#comment-24775</link>
		<dc:creator>justforfun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arif - Thank you for your post and it is good to read the discussion that followed. 

&lt;i&gt; &quot; think it is misleading to say Sharia means either an Islamic State or Islamic rule. People can interpret it in those ways, but there is also the possibility of having Islamic laws only for those who want to be judged by them - Shariah courts for Muslims only.

I’m not saying that would be a good thing to do in the UK, but it just happens to be the way I have understood it to work - as only being applicable to Muslims. Even then, I am not sure that the ulema really have a consensus on legal interpretations and I doubt I would find their rulings more just than the UK legal system. However Sharia courts may be more accessible (for example requiring less money and formality) which might explain some of their popularity, especially in countries where secular judicial systems fail to bring recognisable justice. &lt;/i&gt; 

Arif - I think you have put your finger on the long term debate and where the future lies in 20,30 50 ,100 years .  Parallel legal systems, of whatever sort within a state have been introduced for perfectly good reasons in the past(thinking of India as an example), but the past is the past, and they sould not play a part in the future, if one believes that one is born free.  Parallel legal systems just allow your relatives and &quot;community leaders&quot; to keep their hooks into you when you have the legal right to break free and be your own person.

India&#039;s middle class is growing and their wealth and education is allowing some to break free of their rigid communities in terms of caste, religion etc etc.  This will only accelerate over time, and India will in the next 50 years have to re-evaluate its whole legal structure to accomadate this demand from society.  Its legal codes will become more secular and seperate laws for different relifious groups will slowly be swept away.  Amazing to think that there are people in the UK who want to go the otherway.  However if you beleive a child born to a community is the pocession of the community then you will I think be argueing for the opposite.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arif &#8211; Thank you for your post and it is good to read the discussion that followed. </p>
<p><i> &#8221; think it is misleading to say Sharia means either an Islamic State or Islamic rule. People can interpret it in those ways, but there is also the possibility of having Islamic laws only for those who want to be judged by them &#8211; Shariah courts for Muslims only.</p>
<p>I’m not saying that would be a good thing to do in the UK, but it just happens to be the way I have understood it to work &#8211; as only being applicable to Muslims. Even then, I am not sure that the ulema really have a consensus on legal interpretations and I doubt I would find their rulings more just than the UK legal system. However Sharia courts may be more accessible (for example requiring less money and formality) which might explain some of their popularity, especially in countries where secular judicial systems fail to bring recognisable justice. </i> </p>
<p>Arif &#8211; I think you have put your finger on the long term debate and where the future lies in 20,30 50 ,100 years .  Parallel legal systems, of whatever sort within a state have been introduced for perfectly good reasons in the past(thinking of India as an example), but the past is the past, and they sould not play a part in the future, if one believes that one is born free.  Parallel legal systems just allow your relatives and &#8220;community leaders&#8221; to keep their hooks into you when you have the legal right to break free and be your own person.</p>
<p>India&#8217;s middle class is growing and their wealth and education is allowing some to break free of their rigid communities in terms of caste, religion etc etc.  This will only accelerate over time, and India will in the next 50 years have to re-evaluate its whole legal structure to accomadate this demand from society.  Its legal codes will become more secular and seperate laws for different relifious groups will slowly be swept away.  Amazing to think that there are people in the UK who want to go the otherway.  However if you beleive a child born to a community is the pocession of the community then you will I think be argueing for the opposite.</p>
<p>Justforfun</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that is a shame. 

I was hoping for a shift towards discussion of economics, away from your normal diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that is a shame. </p>
<p>I was hoping for a shift towards discussion of economics, away from your normal diet.</p>
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