TFI

anyway bikhair seems to have met her match

Yeah! What man let you out of the house anyway? Who is your handler? Don’t you know that you bring shame on your family? You aren’t a good Muslim. Now cover your face and don’t dare speak your mind again, we men are here to protect you from your self.

Ismaeel, if she wants to be rude and uncivil, that is her right to do so. I know would like anyone that might offend your religious sensibilities to be arrested and throw in prison, but we don’t live in the Middle East.

Cheers,

TFI

Bikhair, that is very rude, Shaykh Nuh is respected as a traditional Sunni scholar conforming with the beleifs of the overwhelming majority of Sunnis worldwide. He is also a Sufi, guess what so are most Sunnis, including this one.

I’m presuming you must be following some form of Salafism which really is a deviation and a minority sect of Islam which can barely draw it’s inspiration from a handful of scholars in our history because everyone else contradicts them. Even some Ulema whose books the Salafys consult like Imam Ibn Kathir and Imam an Nawawi were Sufis and it is interesting to look at their original work full of Sufi and traditional Sunni beliefs and the butchered abridged versions coming out of KSA.

Sorry my sister, but you brought this on yourself.

I suggest that you go ask him that, or construct a proper analysis of what you have said quoting examples of his over use of this book and ask watching jihadwatch to publish it for you.

I for one would be very interested to see the reaction it would provoke and whether you could hold your own should you enter into a discussion about his scholary creditials.

Cheers,

TFI

except that, as you probably already know, these arent the first attempted suicides, these men are completed secluded, with many other considerations. Ofcourse no on knows except for their creator.

Oh and didnt we hear about how wonderful they had been treated, they have never eaten better and havent been that healthy in all their life. These guys must be crazy.

The Relliance of the Travellor or Umdat As Salik is a book of fatawa (religious rulings) and other scholarly commentary translated by Nu Ha Mien Keller a hardcore deviant sufi.

Robert Spencer refers to that book regarding behavior and beliefs of Muslims when in reality there are thousands of its kinds by different scholars over the past 1400 years. It seems strange to me that one of so many books of its kind would be so prominent in his writings. For someone who has studied Islam for decades, speaks Arabic (maybe), I would think that his references would be more extensive than that.

This is why I cant take him seriously as a scholar of Islamic theology. If he has no understanding of Arabic, he has limited his resources. I doubt anyone would regard him as a serious scholar of any other religion, especially Judaism, with such weak credintals. But Islam is a religion of the desert Arab and doesnt deserve much consideration.

Cry.

Indeed, that is all we can ever do.

Bikhair: Why, may I ask, does her refer to the work Relliance of the Travellor to explain, predict or support Muslim behavior and belief?

I’m afraid that I’ve no idea what you are talking about. Could you expand on this?

Cheers,

TFI
(PP tells me that while I’m on my home PC I am spammer!!! Was it my spelting?)

Okay, I’m just applying some lateral thinking here. Some of you (especially those of you of Indian descent) will be aware that people back in India sometimes try to commit suicide by burning themselves to death (“self-immolation”) as an act of protest against what they perceive as some injustice or immoral situation. (A man in Gujarat just tried to do it as a protest against Aamir Khan & “Fanaa”, for example. There have been numerous other examples in recent years, especially by Hindutva types).

I was wondering if the suicides in Guantanamo were also for similar reasons — as an act of protest, and also to draw further attention to the situation of the people imprisoned there. If the outcome of their deaths would be further condemnation of the base and another blow to America’s moral credibility, then that could be viewed as a deliberate tactic to damage the US. An “act of war”, if you will.

I’m not saying this was actually the case — and of course I have no idea what would really be going through the minds of the people concerned, or if they really would be thinking along the same lines as the people in India who deliberately kill themselves as an act of protest in this way — but it was just something that occurred to me.

Ug?

With regard to Robert Spencer:

Why, may I ask, does her refer to the work Relliance of the Travellor to explain, predict or support Muslim behavior and belief?

Yes I am being sarcastic with the name but it will be my name until I completely change it to Taqiyyah after everyone has gotten used to it.

Sunny,

Yeah yeah. Youre only saying that because you are a moderator on this blog and you have to be diplomatic. I know how you feel. I know what you Asians say when you guys are together.