I do believe Nick Griffin wants to become more mainstream, after being humiliated in the European Parliament by other nationalist parties because they saw them as too racist.

I had the impression that without his racism Nick Griffin would be nothing. That’s his core belief. Anything else is just the icing on the cake. If he decides he likes being an MEP, never mind how he betray’s his party’s ideals, his supporters may leave and form a Real BNP or something.

Really!! Well if you are at all “concerned” you should be also “concerned” that despite promises to crack down on illegal immigration the Immigration Service only conducts a personal interview of .1 percent of the applicants prior to issuing a work visa. That is one in one thousand. So which Political Party do you actually think will really do something about HALTING immigration and DEPORTING, illegals, criminals , and fakes? Your “concern” does not ACTUALLY EXTEND to doing anything about the problem, does it? It is just another liberal sentiment, a PC sound bite that means nothing, along with all the other liberal nonsense. like “concern” over violent crime does not actually extend to demanding long sentences for violent criminals. Want to stop “grooming” Rape? crack down and actually prosecute more than the 2 or 3 percent that is done now. Want to stop gang crime? Put a whole 40 man squad in under cover, with covert video surveillance and
recordings on gang estates and neighborhoods, one gang at a time. Put the gang members behind bars with the maximum sentence for every crime recorded. Take away the prison’s comforts and make them actually miserable places to be in. No TV, no fancy food, and privileges only for those who are put to work doing something useful for the community.
You also said “I am confused about how other BNP policy fits into the big picture” well I hope that now you are less confused, at least on the crime and immigration issues. Or you could go to the BNP web site and read up a little bit.

But Griffin knows there aren’t going to be that many ethnic minorities who’ll join the BNP. But changing the rules takes away the most obvious and potent symbols that the BNP remains a racist party. If the rules change and Griffin goes on television and declares that he’s not racist, merely standing up for British culture, what can journalists obviously point at to illustrate the party’s racism?

If the BNP wants to reform itself and become a non-racist party, then I think we should encourage that transformation. I do believe Nick Griffin wants to become more mainstream, after being humiliated in the European Parliament by other nationalist parties because they saw them as too racist. The fact is that the two most successful nationalist (and deeply xenophobic) parties in Europe – the French FN and the Italian Northern League – not only have non-white members – but they actually had elected non-white officials representing those parties.

I believe that the EHRC move is a good one. It highlights the racist policies of the BNP (so Nick Griffin will most likely not fight it and have this grow out of proportion in the media), and I think you only need a SINGLE non-white BNP member to destroy the ethos of the party. I also think that the BNP will not be able to parade their non-white token members and claim they are not a racist party, because everyone can point out that they were forced to do so by the EHRC as opposed to voluntaryly accepting them.

If the BNP positions itself as another UKIP, it will become irrelevant and inconsequential. As any mainstream party can hijack their rhetoric (see Sarkozy), and their most hardcore racist elements would have gone to NF.

So I do not see how this EHRC move benefits Nick Griffin in the long run.

But Griffin knows there aren’t going to be that many ethnic minorities who’ll join the BNP. But changing the rules takes away the most obvious and potent symbols that the BNP remains a racist party. If the rules change and Griffin goes on television and declares that he’s not racist, merely standing up for British culture, what can journalists obviously point at to illustrate the party’s racism?

If the BNP wants to reform itself and become a non-racist party, then I think we should encourage that transformation. I do believe Nick Griffin wants to become more mainstream, specially after being humiliated in the European Parliament by other nationalist parties because they saw them as too racist. The fact is that the two most successful nationalist (and deeply xenophobic) parties in Europe – the French FN and the Italian Northern League – not only have non-white members – but they actually had elected non-white officials representing those parties.

I believe that the EHRC move is a good one. It highlights the racist policies of the BNP (so Nick Griffin will most likely not fight it and have this grow out of proportion in the media), and I think you only need a SINGLE non-white BNP member to destroy the ethos of the party. I also think that the BNP will not be able to parade their non-white token members and claim they are not a racist party, because everyone can point out that they were forced to do so by the EHRC as opposed to voluntaryly accepting them.

If the BNP positions itself as another UKIP, it will become irrelevant and inconsequential. As any mainstream party can hijack their rhetoric (see Sarkozy), and their most hardcore racist elements would have gone to NF.

So I do not see how this EHRC move benefits Nick Griffin in the short or long run.

War vets are a pretty diverse bunch. They probably have diverse views.

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That position doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny.

Do you not see the citizens of Bradford or Birmingham as British?

And why pick those areas? For eg there are parts of London with a higher than average Ozzie population. In the same vein do you think war vets see that as the Ozzification of regions of London – as in they take our jobs, drink their indigenous beer?

I wonder how our war vets feel about multicultural cities like Bradford or Birmingham that are not remotely British in culture or peoples.

There has been a lot of progress since the early part of the 1900′s too. Votes for women, anti discrimination measures and the rest.

We also had two world wars in that period. WW2 was to fight an ideology akin to the BNP

So not a period that all would want to revisit.

There’s nothing wrong with promoting the cultural values which thrived during the earlier half of the 1900′s where Britain was a much more law abiding place and morally admirable nation.

That’s what the BNP is fighting for, and good luck to them.

But Griffin knows there aren’t going to be that many ethnic minorities who’ll join the BNP. But changing the rules takes away the most obvious and potent symbols that the BNP remains a racist party. If the rules change and Griffin goes on television and declares that he’s not racist, merely standing up for British culture, what can journalists obviously point at to illustrate the party’s racism?

If the BNP wants to reform itself and become a non-racist party, then I think we should encourage that transformation. I do believe Nick Griffin wants to become more mainstream, after being humiliated in the European Parliament by other nationalist parties because they saw them as too racist. The fact is that the two most successful nationalist (and deeply xenophobic) parties in Europe – the French FN and the Italian Northern League – not only have non-white members – but they actually had elected non-white officials representing those parties.

I believe that the EHRC move is a good one. It highlights the racist policies of the BNP (so Nick Griffin will most likely not fight it and have this grow out of proportion in the media), and I think you only need a SINGLE non-white BNP member to destroy the ethos of the party. I also think that the BNP will not be able to parade their non-white token members and claim they are not a racist party, because everyone can point out that they were forced to do so by the EHRC as opposed to voluntaryly accepting them.

If the BNP positions itself as another UKIP, it will become irrelevant and inconsequential. As any mainstream party can hijack their rhetoric (see Sarkozy), and their most hardcore racist elements would have gone to NF.

So I do not see how this EHRC move benefits Nick Griffin in the long run….

Aah the 1960s.

It was the 60′s when the term “flower children” was introduced to describe the peace-loving, free spirited people who yearned for an idyllic society based on mutual love….

I just knew that Griffin was doing all of this from a place of love. I can picture him now with a daisy in his hair midst a slight waft of marijuana …

just as I keep telling Sunny …his attack on BNP as a racist party won’t win ….
your failure to support them with more than issues on immigration makes me think its you who needs a cup of coffee!

my point is you will have to find another line of argument against the BNP.
I think it would be good to show more of the party you do support ….
I’m not saying there is no extreme right wing dangers …. just I don’t think right now they are a majority.
and I don’t think this approach is really opening any discussion.

It is long past time for you sleepers to wake up and see what is really going on all about you.