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    White South African given sanctuary in Canada


    by Rumbold on 2nd September, 2009 at 9:31 pm    

    This seems an odd ruling:

    “Brandon Huntley, 31, had told officials in Canada he could not return to South Africa after seven different attacks. They included three stabbings, which he said he had suffered as a result of his skin colour. His lawyer said he was granted asylum because the South African authorities were unable to protect their citizens.”

    There is racism directed against whites in South Africa. But the country as a whole suffers from very high crime rates, and the majority of victims of crime are black. Mr. Huntley had good reason to fear staying where he lived, but since he wasn’t being persecuted by the state or hunted, the Canadian decision was odd. Will all South African victims of violent crime be granted asylum, one wonders? At least the Singh/Kaur fiasco has now been cleared up, and Sikhs don’t have to change their names in order to enter the country.

    (Hat-Tip: David O’Keefe)



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    1. MaidMarian — on 2nd September, 2009 at 10:51 pm  

      The coverage of this seems to have emphasised the crime aspect, though there is a more interesting point buried in the story. From the BBC link,

      ‘Mr Huntley’s lawyer Russell Kaplan said the asylum was granted because of discrimination - not only over crime - but also because as a white man he would find it difficult to get a job.’

      It would be interesting to see whether there is any evidence to back that up. Is discrimination a reason for asylum? I don’t know, but it seems to me to stretch the point.

    2. Andy Gilmour — on 2nd September, 2009 at 11:05 pm  

      Yeah, this seems a most peculiar door that Canada has decided to open…?

      I’ve got a friend who works on asylum-seekers’ rights in Canada, I’ll try to find out if she knows anything more..or whether she’s just banging her head against a wall at the inanity of the decision.

    3. Reuben — on 2nd September, 2009 at 11:33 pm  

      When you think about this for a second you realise how arbitray the Asylum Seeker framework is for determining whether immigration is legitimate. Livin under particular socio-economic conditions is far more dangerous to the person than certain forms of persecution that would qualify somebody as an asylum seeker. Its less dangerous to be a dissident under some dictatorships than an aids sufferer in a country that doesn’t offer treatment.

    4. Shatterface — on 3rd September, 2009 at 1:54 am  

      ‘Its less dangerous to be a dissident under some dictatorships than an aids sufferer in a country that doesn’t offer treatment.’

      Or sick for any of a number of reasons in a country where treatment is simply unaffordable.

    5. Roger — on 3rd September, 2009 at 2:34 am  

      “since he wasn’t being persecuted by the state or hunted, the Canadian decision was odd.”
      Applications for political asylum have been rejected on just those grounds in the U.K., I think. I remember reading reports of Zimbabweans or Somalis rejected as political refugees on the grounds that where everyone is being persecuted it obviously isn’t political.

    6. damon — on 3rd September, 2009 at 7:38 am  

      It would seem a good a reason for political asylum as many. If he had no money or family to stay with, then he would find things very difficult.

      I spent a few months in South Africa a few years ago, and it seemed that white people lived in a bubble.
      Separated and segregated from the rest of the society.
      For example, I took an overnight train once and was the only white person on the train. Everyone was drinking, and things got a little wild. At 2am I walked down to the toilet and some guys asked me where I was from. When I said England one said (maybe joking) ”lucky for you, because if you were South African you’d be going out the window head first”.

      Walking through Hillbrow in Johannesburg one day, a man came up to me and said it wasn’t safe for me to be walking about there. Even though I was carrying nothing but a few rand, he said that I stood out, as no white people walked in Hillbrow anymore.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillbrow

    7. hantsboy — on 3rd September, 2009 at 9:55 am  

      Well now a Black man is president of the US of A perhaps it’s OK for Whitey to be a victim.

      Why not ?

    8. Random Guy — on 3rd September, 2009 at 10:00 am  

      Damon, does that mean you are happy if the UK would grant political asylum to anyone from any country facing similar dangers? Or does it only count for white South Africans?

      After all, there are a lot of persecuted minorities in all parts of the world.

    9. damon — on 3rd September, 2009 at 11:21 am  

      Random Guy. Yes let them come. If someone is living in a place they really don’t want to be then I think they should be given the opportunity to get out.

      And being a poor white person in South Africa would be hard I would say. I met a white homeless guy in Pretoria and his situation was worse than if he was black (perhaps). He hid himself away at night in alleyways and any place he knew where he could spend the night. It was a dangerous situation to be in.

    10. persephone — on 3rd September, 2009 at 11:59 am  

      I’m not white but I was warned that it was dangerous to walk around in certain parts of Sth Africa.

      I have a white colleague who worked there & liked it there so much he visits on holiday every year - to different parts of the country.

      Is the discrimination becoming widespread? Figures?

    11. persephone — on 3rd September, 2009 at 12:15 pm  

      Last sentence above to be: to what extent is the discrimination happening - seems to be no stats?

    12. Dalbir — on 3rd September, 2009 at 1:06 pm  

      Probably just another strategy to bolster white numbers in the country.

    13. persephone — on 3rd September, 2009 at 1:36 pm  

      Perhaps he should go to Toronto where the Chinese, South Asian & Black minorities succeeded despite early discrimination & racial violence

    14. Dalbir — on 3rd September, 2009 at 2:37 pm  

      Give it a rest whitey.

    15. damon — on 3rd September, 2009 at 4:32 pm  

      What’s up with you today Dalbir? Maybe I’m missing a joke.
      South Africa (along with Israel) is the most screwed up country I’ve ever been to.

      The race divide is massive. It matches the wealth divide for the most part.
      I got the feeling that whites (as the greatest majority of them live their lives) probably didn’t belong there.
      There was a presumption of privilege amongst them that I thought was unsustainable - unless there were to be rapid improvements in the overall population’s living standards and if whites (and rich others) were prepared to share and become equals.

      The changes in this exsisting order haven’t occured as they would have been required to ….. and so I work with a bunch of young South African whites in London (and one guy who is of mixed race) who are pretending that they are like their Australian counterparts in England doing their obligatory couple of years overseas backpacking stint.

      They’re basicly roadies. Some brawn and a bit of technical skill is required.

      They make a living doing that in London. And live in shared houses much like their backpacking equivilents do too.

      They already think I’m a bit nuts because I ask (for example) the guy who’s from Durban, where abouts exactly. (Usually some suburb I’ve never heard of).
      And then ask him would he walk from his family house to the beach. And he says no. No one would walk the six kilometers from his house to the beach.
      It wouldn’t be safe he says.

      And then I ask him does he walk up Durban’s main shopping street and again he thinks I’m a bit mad for even asking these questions. The center of Durban is a place where anyone who looks like they might have someting to nick, could quickly become a victim of street crime. (So the answer is no).

      These guys are in their twenties, built like South African rugby players and speak Afrikaans.

      I wonder how their ‘roadie’ skills (or mine as a simple truck driver) would give us a living in the modern South Africa.

      Would it be enough to make a life? As people ouside the majority?
      And without the family connections .. that I think are vital to Durban’s Asian communities?

    16. Dalbir — on 3rd September, 2009 at 5:56 pm  

      Damon

      I worked in the IT industry in the city for a good few years. One thing that always struck me was the ease with which non qualified white SAs, New Zealanders and Aussies could find lucrative work in the industry, very quickly after arriving here. It shocked me because at the time I knew a good few non white (talented) graduates I studied with, were struggling to find similar work (they were on the whole brought up in Britain btw).

      SA guys, (and girls for that matter), from my experiences of working with them, are usually racist. Although their kafir hating is usually muted here, it still lurks around in the background. One incident that sticks in my mind is the hushed abuse an attractive SA women received for being apparently, “too friendly” with a non white male colleague.

      The real gripe that white people from SA are probably having (as you alluded to), is the fact they are now having to compete without priviledges they have been brainwashed into thinking they had a birthright too. In a nutshell, pure unadulterated white supremacist thinking. Now having to compete on a more even footing in SA, they are feeling oppressed. I don’t have any sympathy for them myself. Besides, they could always come here and jump the queue of not only British born and raised nonwhites, but also the indigenous white WC, in lucrative jobs in the city. As they have been doing for some time now.

      I doubt that guy who conned his way into Canada was in any more danger in SA, than I would be travelling at night in Bermondsey.

      You know, given the nature and level of oppression suffered by black SAs over the decades. I’m surprised that they haven’t taken to hanging white people from the lamp posts there. I would imagine much of the feeling of unease experienced by those Afrikaans you mentioned, would stem from a guilty conscience. Having to face the unpalatable truths about their own forefather’s actions throughout the land would make them jittery.

    17. Edna — on 3rd September, 2009 at 6:07 pm  

      It is all quite simple, dear readers:

      SOUTH AFRICA IS THE NEW ALGERIA

      Qualified young whites are fleeing, knowing that there is no real long-term future for them.

      Rich whites like Mark Thatcher live in gated compounds with armed guards.

      White farmers in the countryside are being murdered; survivors are selling up for pocket change and fleeing.

      The South Asians of Duban and elsewhere are racing off to Australia to get a First-World passport.

      Any questions?

    18. Soso — on 3rd September, 2009 at 6:23 pm  

      I agree with Edna.

      When apartheid ended South Africa counted some 125,000 Jews. Barely half of that number remain and those that do are seeking ways of getting out.

      South Africa in as extremely violent and bigoted place. Last years attacks on, and murder of, migrant BLACK workers from neighbouring African countries attest to that. One need not be white to be discriminated against.

      We’re looking at Rhodesia redux. South Africa is falling apart at the seams, its educated classes are leaving, its infrastructures are disintegrating, the aids crisis continues unabated and the levels of violence ( pick any ‘group’ on ‘group’form of it) are right through the roof.

      A poll of Black South Africans conducted a few yeas ago ( either ‘04 or ‘06) had some surprising and telling results; the vast majority of Black South Africans were nostalgic for apartheid.

    19. Dalbir — on 3rd September, 2009 at 6:37 pm  

      This is from the ANC website. If right, many of the old SA families may be less white then they think.

      Also brings the slave trade from India to the fore. Something rarely broached for some reason.

      http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/solidarity/indiasa3.html

    20. damon — on 3rd September, 2009 at 7:02 pm  

      The young white guys I know from SA have kept any prejudiced thoughts well under wraps if they have them.
      But I have heard them gushing about Nelson Mandela.
      One day when Paul McCartney walked past the venue we were setting up at Lord’s crictet ground, a number of them ran off to talk to him and try to get a photo.

      When they came back they excitedly talked about McCartney and Mandela in the same sentences.
      ”It was like seeing Mandela” is how I remember one on them describing it.

      These guys were only young kids at the end of Apartheid so I think that hanging them would be unfair.

      I have no doubt though that what we would see as vulgar opinions still do persist.
      Maybe having complaints about the new ANC majority rule could be seen as racist.

    21. Dalbir — on 3rd September, 2009 at 7:18 pm  

      They probably were a new, younger generation that had negotiated the fact that Mandela is now a global hero (as oppposed to a kaffur bogeyman) and that unconcealed white supremacism doesn’t fly as much as it used to.

    22. damon — on 4th September, 2009 at 7:38 am  

      Maybe you’re right Dalbir, but your view seems very prejudgemental. One of them would have been considered coloured in apartheid South Africa and he is very much part of their crew.

      One thing that is quite quaint about them is their custom of hand shaking. When you turn up at a job and particuarly at the end of it, there’s a bout of all round hand shaking. Some people who regularly turn up to work at the jobs are black, and these South Africans don’t seem to show any prejudice there.
      In fact one SA white guy who must be in his 40’s always goes about with this big Barbadian chap.

      As I said, talking to them too particularly about what it’s like in South Africa leaves you open to being considered a bit odd. But their place in South Africa is tenuous, as everything they do is clouded by the fact that they are a (mostly) privileged minority, but probabably discriminated against and resented too.

      If I only had a South African passport and my visa to the UK was about to run out I’d be in dispare.
      I think it would be impossible to get on there without having family and friends to fall back on.
      To just turn up at a job center and be loking for work as a delivery driver, and trying to find a place to stay in the rental market. I doubt that the job would pay for what we would consider a crummy bedsit.

      But as Random Guy alluded to. Tough titty. There’s all kinds of people who live in diabolical situations.



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