Behind the BNP’s respectable mask
It may come as no surprise that while the British National Party’s goons try to display an air of respectability, they hide nasty views behind that facade. During local election night Nick Griffin even told David Dimbleby that he was not racist. Yeah, we believe him even if millions won’t.
But finding out what BNP party members think in private is more difficult as they have been careful in cultivating a respectable media image of late. Not unlike Hizb ut-Tahrir in that respect.
But Unity at Ministry of Truth has done a brilliant exposé on the BNP councillor Simon Smith of Great Bridge in Sandwell [via David T]
According to material he has uncovered, Simon Smith hangs around on the Stormfront website as ‘Steve Freedom’. This is a selection of the things ‘Steve Freedom’ has said:
1) “Let me be the first elected person in Britain to go on record as saying that the September 11th 2001 attacks on the USA were an inside job to justify the expansion of the American Empire.”
2) “It took me a long time to come to the same conclusions as most of the folks here…the interest in the subject arose because it is obviously convenient to the Nationalist cause that the “Holocaust” didn’t happen in the way orthodoxy suggests…”
3) “I spent over a year reading the info on the net and came to the conclusion that 6 million is a gross exaggeration and that there were no mass killings with Zyklon B…There were of course individual cases of deliberate brutality which must be set against the sufferings of many other people in World War II”
Pandering to conspiracy theories is old hat for the BNP and no should be that surprised. What is more amusing is the contempt he holds for normal Britons.
4) “I’d certainly agree with the notion that “holocaust denial” as you put it, should be avoided amongst Joseph and Josephine Public.. but then again anything that challenges the average attention span should be as well…”
5) “What i mean is, the people who say we (the bnp ) are watering our views down and selling out, don’t understand the need for this slight manoeuvre from our goals and public mindset. When they do, they will understand. You will never convince the public six million did’nt [sic] perish untill we are in power.”
Feel free to read the whole thing.
On his own blog, the councillor tries to remain as “normal”, as possible. Apart from the off UFO conspiracy theory of course.
Reading the above, you may also notice how these BNP conspiracy theories mirror others. The Iranian President has legions of German neo-Nazi fans because of his holocaust denial. And we have our own contigent of 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Well boys, you have the BNP to voice your ideas now, join them without delay and spare us the bullshit! Post it on Stormfront.
Brilliant work Unity.
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Can the BNP get any madder?
http://www.sundayherald.com/55980
If hack journalists and comedians looking for an easy laugh spent less time on John Prescot and more on the BNP – and God knows there’s enough material – there would be a measurable improvement in the atmosphere of this country.
Kudos to unity for some dedicated legwork.
You pathetic people always miss the plot.The indigenous people of the UK do not care if the BNP have two heads and spit fire.We are just fed up with bloody moaning Muslims….it’s as simple as that.
“The indigenous people of the UK do not care if the BNP have two heads and spit fire”
Well, my family has been in this country since 1900 and I have to tell you, Harry, that I for one would find that pretty unnerving.
I’m sick of the BNP moaning and not paying their council tax! Deport the fuckers to Uzbekistan.
Wait, is that both heads spitting fire?
I put it to Harry that his comment at #3 constitutes moaning!
Please give Harry the room to expand. He can do without being cut off in his prime.
Maybe after next years council elections when the BNP again double their quota of council seats i can say…..told you so. Would any of you bloggers care to take a bet that it won’t happen?
Harry, are you saying you would rather be ruled by people with two heads that spit fire than put up with a couple of disgruntled Muslims?
I think that’s odd.
‘Maybe after next years council elections when the BNP again double their quota of council seats i can say…..told you so. Would any of you bloggers care to take a bet that it won’t happen?’
No but I’d be willing to bet the morons are still looking for the buzzer in order to vote in the council chambers. Sad really two heads and not a brain between them.
Silly remarks gain you nothing.Fact is instead of bashing the BNP why not try to understand why the indigenous working classes are voting for them.
Why no MPs Harry?
By the way….calling someone a racist is in todays climate is more likely to turn them to the BNP.Remember the huge ammount of St George’s flags sold?…..Surely that must tell you something.
Raz,many Labour MPs are already warning of future BNP MPs unless problems are addressed.
I wasn’t hoping to gain anything by making silly remarks. I was just poking fun at the BNP. I can understand why people vote for the BNP I just think they are wrong to do so. Perhaps you might want to consider why the vast majority of people in this country do not vote for the BNP.
So why no MPs yet? Surely the indigenous people (93% of the UK population) should be voting for you in droves?
“Raz,many Labour MPs are already warning of future BNP MPs unless problems are addressed.”
The problems must be addressed. No way do I equate this year’s BNP voters with BNP supporters.
The supporters happily wish more impoverishment so they can scapegoat others, who also happen to be suffering.
Harry? I own a St George’s flag. I don’t even like the football. I’m also 100% “indigenous”, and can trace my family tree back in this country a long way. I live in one of the poorest areas of my town, and the local mosque is ten minutes walk from here.
I know the Imam actually, nice bloke, work with him on occasions.
I’d rather listen to a “moaning muslim” than a misguided fool. I would of course, reserve the right to point out to anyone of believe that, well, there is no god, they’re wasting their time, etc, but that’s a different issue.
Unity’s category for the BNP et al is accurate, to my mind. Sunny? A little late with the link my firend?
Unity is top of my must read list these days.
You say you don’t like football, Mat, but I bet you’ve cleared your diary for the next month.
Mat: I know, I know. I knew about this last week but didn’t get round to it. But hopefully he will also get a plug on CIF this week or next if the Guardian lawyers ok it.
Glad to see the BNP being exposed for the scum it is. Reading the article he slanders jews, muslims, asains, blacks…. what a racist retard. This article should be posted everywhere.
Very interesting indeed. However, to suggest that all BNP members/councillors now hold those views would be wrong and speculative. This guy is obviously a bad apple, but scum can be found in any party.
“Remember the huge ammount of St George’s flags sold?…..Surely that must tell you something.” – Harry
That it’s World Cup time again?
“This guy is obviously a bad apple, but scum can be found in any party.” – Johnny
Yes, but to find it in the BNP you don’t have to look very hard.
“Maybe after next years council elections when the BNP again double their quota of council seats i can say…..told you so. Would any of you bloggers care to take a bet that it won’t happen?”
The UK has a history of tolerance and of not being taken in by racists posing as politicians. People may express their concerns by voting in a few BNP councillors but these concerns are likely to be acted upon in a measured way by the real political parties. The BNP will not become a significant political force here.
“indigenous”
Everytime, and I mean EVERYtime, I read or hear that word used in relation to England and white English people I fall about laughing. There is no indigenous people, this country has been multicultural, multi-ethnic for well over a 1000 years!
well that’s true for everywhere in the world obviously but the language we use doesn’t reflect that.
‘Indigenous’ doesn’t refer to people who have somehow magically sprouted out of the ground. It refers to those whose ancestors have lived in a particular place for many generations.
The word ‘indigenous’ is therefore quite reasonable in describing the majority of the English, who will generally be able to trace their ancestors on the paternal line in this country to between ten and fifteen centuries ago, and on the maternal line even further back.
Riight. So anyway, what does that make mixed race people who have one parent who is “indigenous” and one who is not?
What a pathetic argument there with the England flags. I had to walk past a mosque today not long ago & as it was Friday prayers the street was packed with cars and people. Nearly every single car, which aren’t normally parked there at any time during the rest of the week, had England flags on them. Some cars even had two or three. Not to mention that items with the St George’s cross are mainly made in China and other parts of asia.
Currently, the BNP serve as amuseument. No other nutters, except Muslim extremists, are daft enough to spout such narrow views and ideas. Even so, I know that those of us who are “indigenous” won’t go out in droves to vote for them, ever. You ought to give the people of Britain (especially us “indigenous” people), a bit more credit than you like to give them Harry for having sanity and intelligence.
Joe90
‘able to trace their ancestors on the paternal line in this country to between ten and fifteen centuries ago, and on the maternal line even further back.’
Are you seriously proposing that ‘most’ English people can trace paternal ancestry further back than Alfred the Great, and the maternal line further? Presumably to Arthurian times? Or pre-Roman?
You haven’t the slightest grap of history have you, you silly man?
Leon asks: “Riight. So anyway, what does that make mixed race people who have one parent who is “indigenous†and one who is not?”
The answer is pretty much in your question: a mixed-race person could be said to be indigenous on one side of their family.
You might then ask, how many generations of successive intermarriage with people from the indigenous population would it take before children of those unions could be regarded as somehow ‘properly indigenous’? The answer could only ever be a matter of opinion, rather than of fact.
Your example of a mixed-race person shows that the categories of indigenous and non-indigenous have fuzzy boundaries, just as with categories of class, race, even age group. People argue over when youth ends and adulthood begins. Even the law isn’t sure on the point, as you can successively able take on different responsibilities at the ages of 16, 18, 21 and 24.
But there are still youths and adults, just as there indigenous and non-indigenous people.
Don, thank you for that encomium on my grasp of history.
Between ten and fifteen centuries ago places us in the time of the large-scale incursions of Angles, Saxons, and Danes – an age of mass immigration, if you like.
Studies looking at modern-day frequencies of distinctive markers on y-chromosomes paint a picture of a very large displacement of the native Celtic population, especially of men, by continental and Scandinavian immigrants. Here’s the abstract and full article for one such study.
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/19/7/1008
Other studies looking at inheritance of mitochondrial DNA markers passed down the female line do indeed show ancient maternal roots for many English people, going back as far as Neolothic times. Try Professor Bryan Sykes’s pop science book ‘The Seven Daughters of Eve’ if you want to find out more about this – although you probably don’t now.
With your own good grasp of history, you will surely be able to infer why English matrilines generally go back further than patrilines.
It always amuses me that those (such as Leon) who always deny there is such a thing as an indigenous British population are often the same people who get so emotional over Israel, demanding the right of return for Palestinians.
If just being in country makes you the owner of the country then the Palestianians who are not in Israel should stop crying, get over it, and leave Isreal alone.
The same goes for any Indians or Pakistanies crying over who owns the various parts of Kashmir, or any Sinhalese or Tamils crying over who owns the north-east of Sri Lanka.
Lastly if just being in a country gives you rights to that country then that obviously also justifies the presence of UK and US troops in Iraq – they are there, so they have the right to be there, just by being there! – QED.
PS If you really think there are no indigenous British you have obviously never heard of the Cheddar_man.
I certainly don’t care about this indigenous population debate anyway.
As a (Muslim, female) friend recently said to me recently: “We’ve got our British passports and we can wave that in the BNP’s face and tell them to fuck off”.
Hehe. We’re British whether they like it or not.
Sunny, you make it seem in your post that somehow rascism is bad. That is a popular mistake that all of us make in our reasoning.
But the fact is that some races are hardworking and capable of coherent thinking while others are not. You tell me why has all the scientific development of last 500 years happened only in the West. Why hasn’t Africa or much of Asia contributed almost nothing at all to the progress that human beings have made in the last five centuries. The reason is simple. You may call me rasicst but I think that the White people are racially superior to the black Africans and the brown Asians.
Hey, dont take it too badly, I am a Asian like you and I am brown. But I have the honesty to accept facts, which you don’t. I feel disgusted everytime I am forced to set my eyes on the feeble minded people Asians who are after all good for nothing. All they can do is pray, pray and pray. When prayers dont work they will emigrate (illegally most of the time) to any Western country and try their best to get themselves on the dole.
The question I put to you is – For how long are we Asians going to remain a burden on the White Man? Will we never develop the spine to do something by ourselves.
Instead of shouting at BNP, you should shout at the idiots in your own community, who dont know anything better than indulging in religous fundamentalism.
Good bye to everyone on this blog.
I agree with IC. The Asians are racially inferior.
IC’s got to be a wind up. No?
“We’re British whether they like it or not.”
Indeed! This is out fucking country too dammit.
=>”IC’s got to be a wind up. No?”
Having just glanced at his website, I would guess that he’s probably being sarcastic.
Although you never know
Sunny
Is the photo of the lounging anti-Nazi kid you from your younger BNP baiting days?
Jai – and everyone for that matter – check out the lifestyle link on IC’s website to raja magazine… a kind of toned down Maxim – with lots of arty nude pix – for Indian men. the world is a-changing
I’ve found a picture of IC:
http://ecurioso.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/nazi%20estupido%20.jpg
Katy; you’re correct to say I’ve pretty much cleared my diary. I work in tourism; our customers come here on holiday to learn better English, it’s great. I find them places to stay. 9 months of the year, I’ve got 50 people accomodated. Today, I have 130. End of the month, it’ll be 400, World Cup Final weekend I’ll be looking after 800 kids.
Social life? That’s for after the summer…
Sunny: The power of the Groan. The only thing I wonder when reading that, given the large number of simply better writers on CiF, is how Polly is still in her job. Ah well, hope it gets through.
good comments. let the BNP run themselves into the ground and show everyone the real face.