Well during those times Sikhs were branded as terrorists and young amritdhari’s were hunted and killed and at the same time the world turned a blind eye. Most ppl in India didn’t give a crap and Indira was referred to as durga mata (goddess of war).

As for the Sikhs who fought back- well they hads every right to-if members of your family were raped, tortured and killed then would you take up arms or report it to the punjab police who carry out these atrocities.

The taking up of arms against oppression is sanctioned by Guru Gobind Singh. The struggle came down to a struggle for the Sikh identity bestowed by the Guru’s which to a Sikh is more important than their own lives.

The annual marches are more to do about rememberence than justice cus the truth is that the Indian gov’t won’t give justice. As for lobbying and awareness raising that does go on in the diaspora but to little avail.

The figure of around 250,000 dead is confirmed, maybe if some of these so called online journalists had put there skills to good use then they would have found out that this figure were agreed by national and international human rights bodies, Sikh lobbying groups and even the Indian judiciary in some high profile cases. Maybe a brief look at Shaheed Jaswant Singh Khalra’s findings concerning mass graves would go far.

For those jokers who criticised Sant Bhindranwale- you mimmick puppets who fall prey to propaganda. Sant ji was someone of extremely high character who awoke a sleeping nation. Why not actually listen to his speeches or speak to ppl first hand who knew him rather than listen to or read rubbish.

The truth will emerge and justice will prevail.

bhul chuk maaf

Please don’t go down the route of flag-burning to make a point. It’s a particularly crass display because it suggests that the burner invests the flag with a kind of magical significance, that by burning it you inflict injury on your opponent, like sticking pins in a voodoo doll.

Demonstrations are often the worst form of unimaginative street theatre. It’s bad enough with our own home-grown English left, who seem never happier than when squawking incoherently through a megaphone, or the displays of shambling human mediocrity occasionally put on by the far right. Leave flag-burning to the idiots who can only aspire to being predictable.

In case the usual suspects think that I am just making excuses, think back on what ‘justice’the vicyims of Bhopal- 1984 also!- have received so far.

What is under discussion is NOT:

1. the whys and wherefores of the separatist troubles in Punjab, ie who (really) killed whom.

2. Operation Bluestar. That was a highly controversial military operation(the 3 month long military siege before the storming is often brushed aside as an irrelevant fact but is it really?) but a reasonable case can be made for either side.

3. Indira Gandhi’s assassination. Yeah she was a right bitch but still it was the deliberate murder of a head of state by her own bodyguards.It’s the same old problem as with the muslim ‘community’- when are sikhs individuals and when are they a collective?

What we do want to focus on is THIS :
the highly organised massacre/pogrom (chiefly in Delhi but also elsewhere in N India, to a much lesser degree) of innocent Sikh citizens of the Indian state. By mainly Congress apparatchiks with the active participation/connivance of Delhi police. There was hardly a spontaneous uprising by the masses who set off to butcher Sikhs,though the first Congress appointed commission tried to paint it that way. “Rioters” were bussed in; voters’ lists containing sikh names distributed; weapons and kerosene for the arson supplied.

http://www.hindu.com/mag/2006/03/05/stories/2006030500200400.htm

that’s definitely the problem.

The flag burning was a waste of time, it was an incident that lasted 20 seconds carried out by a bunch of kids..however it’s funny how it gets noticed! I mean we’re discussing it now.

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Sunny,

You’re off on your high horse again! Whether a flag was burned or not you’d still attack Sikhs for just being Sikhs. Your comments I’ve read on barficulture and pickled politices regarding Sikhs is always bigoted. But that’s you…we’re use to it.

Vikrant my blood brother,

Was that long word at the end of your posting?

http://pmindia.nic.in/RS%20speech.pdf

The only point these people are making is…displaying their arrogance and stupidity at the same time.

There are surely many better ways of getting yourself and your cause noticed.

Duh, of course! What a silyl question to ask. I wouldn’t have posted the picture unless I thought the above were a bunch of idiots. There’s no two ways about it.

There are legitimate reasons for hating the Congress govt, or the Indian govt in general for their treatment of Sikhs in India. I’ve never even denied that.

What is funny about this stupid charade every year is that it epitomises the state of modern Sikh kids today. There’s no real attempt to have a devise a long term lobbying strategy on getting justice.

There doesn’t seem to be much in terms of a proper debate or discussion on what the exact figures are and what happened. You get idiots posting on websites about 250,000 Sikhs lost in a “holocaust”. I mean really, who the hell apart from some armchair warrior is going to take that seriously.

This annual flag burning charade does nothing at all. In fact it serves the Indian government perfectly because you end up alienating all the non-Sikh (and Sikhs) Indians who want justice but still identify with being patriotic Indians. Unless those people put pressure on their government to own up and do something about the terrible crimes of 1984, you can scream and shout as much as you want – you can set up as many websites as you want – it will mean fuck all.

There is no strategy. There is no clear thinking behind it. There is no real plan. There is just the usual suspects of fired up kids who find it easy to hate someone, and get involved in a flag burning. Wow! Great!

Like hell I’m going to applaud a bunch of losers.

I am a British Sikh I have no desire for a Khalistan nor am I against cos I wasnt affected by the events in India but for those aggrieved by the Indian government to seek justice and want a seperate state (Khalistan) to live free from persecution and discrimination is their human right and I stand by that.

Isn’t it ironic how the Indians were oppressed by the British Raj for 100years protested and fought for azadi (freedom) and since they got it they themselves become the oppresser and wish others not to have the same azadi.

And what system would that be?

Justforfun

PS – I would think an Indian MP is as expensive as a UK MP -they have more hangers on that need paying off

Also just for your info, not all Sikh live in Southall. Your post stinks of a bit prejudice.

I am not a khalistani troll, far from it. But it’s strange how you typecast anyone with a strong opinion from a Sikh background as one. Oh well, go back to your ethnically pure rajput world!