Youths attack police in Luton


by Sunny
31st August, 2009 at 6:35 pm    

Just to be clear, I’m not in favour of this kind of gross stupidity and lawlessness. The police should lock up whoever was throwing the fire-crackers.

It seems to me that following the recent Birmingham mass-brawl, the anti-Nazis have been getting a bit ahead of themselves. Salma Yaqoob has been going on YouTube arguing why the EDL march should be banned in Luton etc. But as I’ve said before, there are also gang elements within the crowd who fought the EDL in Birmingham, and unless something is said to control them, right-whingers will use them to smear the entire anti-fascist movement.

Either Salma or the local politicians of Luton need to tell these bored kids to shut the hell up and stay at home instead of causing trouble. Otherwise they’re no better than the trouble-makers from the English Defence League.


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  1. Frank — on 31st August, 2009 at 6:43 pm  

    One mob is just the same as another, forget the labels.

  2. Cyburn — on 31st August, 2009 at 6:48 pm  

    Just watched the youtube video

    These youths dont seem to really care about “protecting their hood” from the nazis, just look to act hard in front of the police.

  3. douglas clark — on 31st August, 2009 at 7:01 pm  

    Cyburn,

    Could you give me a link to the youtube video?

  4. Sofi — on 31st August, 2009 at 7:05 pm  

    frikin unemployed-good-for-nothing-lousy-parent pricks.

  5. grapesoda — on 31st August, 2009 at 7:20 pm  

    Let the police deal with it. The youth who stand up against EDL should use common sense not brawn. Even though its a natural reaction when one group EDL, BNP etc labels you as terrorists and much worse the offended group will gather around in numbers and defend themselves!

  6. douglas clark — on 31st August, 2009 at 7:32 pm  

    Sofi,

    frikin unemployed-good-for-nothing-lousy-parent pricks.

    Yes, but do you have any evidence?

    That would be a clincher, wouldn’t it? Although lack of evidence might be lack of evidence, wouldn’t it?

    Fail.

  7. Cyburn — on 31st August, 2009 at 7:34 pm  
  8. anobody — on 31st August, 2009 at 7:50 pm  

    They’re a bunch of youths who have nothing better to do. [There's only so much hanging around you can do around the Arndale and Galaxy centres]

    If they were grown men turning up to have riots with the police, I would be more concerned.

    Obviously these kids do not realise they are playing right into the hands of those who accuse them of being loutish good for nothings, with a violent element, and this is exactly how they are going to be portrayed in the media.

    Whilst not absolving the youth for making trouble with the police, I wouldn’t put it past the tacticians in far right groups spreading rumours about marching through towns, knowing full well that if a mob turned up there would be a chance of things like this going on.

    I don’t think there are gang elements amongst these crowds. I remember the riots up north, not so long ago. It was a matter of not even knowing that there were far right types turning up. You’d get a phone call from a mate and you’d go down to check out what was going on, and before you’re know it some hot-head chucks a brick and you’re caught up in the middle of it. Hardly organised gangs, but very well mobilised and interconnected individuals.

  9. douglas clark — on 31st August, 2009 at 7:51 pm  

    Err.. Cyburn.

    What did you think you saw there, exactly?

    What did you think I am supposed to make of that?

    I watched a fairly tolerant police do, err, nothing.

    It is nonsense to argue otherwise.

  10. Helen — on 31st August, 2009 at 7:52 pm  

    Firstly the EDL went to protest about what went on about the poachers parade. My husbands in Afghan with the Army would he thankyou EDL no he’d think you were all racist thick idiots that didnt have a clue why were in afghan!!Off topic but it makes my blood boil Not in our name thanks!!!

    The youths who STOOD UP what and became as bad as them?

    I dont agree with any mob mentality…who does??? however its a sign of poor parenting,education ,poverty or all three abd lots more besides!! The repeat of events such as these does highlight there are lots of groups who are unhappy and I hope Im wrong but history shows us this can end very badly idiots, kids, fanatics whatever still a big problem

  11. douglas clark — on 31st August, 2009 at 7:58 pm  

    What I find really good about here is that anobody and I could agree about something:

    They’re a bunch of youths who have nothing better to do. [There's only so much hanging around you can do around the Arndale and Galaxy centres]

    And disagree on almost everything else.

  12. Cyburn — on 31st August, 2009 at 8:21 pm  

    douglas

    it didnt really seem like there was a riot at all per se, but a bunch of youths assembling to making the police think there was gonna be a riot.

  13. Helen — on 31st August, 2009 at 8:29 pm  

    It does make me despair I’d hoped we’d become more tolerant with a new generation.However When people feel at threat and feel no one is on their side this picture is seen again and again. I grew up in Birmingham and the city always prided itself on how multicultral and intergrated its people where and when there were riots in bolton and bradford it was used as a benchmark. I left a few years back but with the recent news and the riots a couple of years back just think where is the hope?

  14. Dalbir — on 31st August, 2009 at 8:56 pm  

    That was pretty lame as riots go. All I saw was some chest beating.

    Could you really call that a riot? Did anything more happen or was that it?

  15. Helen — on 31st August, 2009 at 9:11 pm  

    the video and the write up dont tie in that well but the point is it was still a disturbance at least if I was coming out of that sainsburys with my kids I’d be a bit scared and thats the point the daily mail and the like will report ‘asains kids taking over’will be read by lots of little old ladies who will be taken in by the fear and the BNP will get some more votes!! Thats why these (kids) some of whom looked alot like grown men need to be stopped from reacting like this its playing into their hands.

  16. Leon — on 31st August, 2009 at 9:12 pm  

    I don’t think a few idiot teenager are comparable to hardened fascists…

  17. damon — on 31st August, 2009 at 9:32 pm  

    After some disturbances in Halifax between Asian youths and the police in 2001, I remember that some of those involved were said to have refered to it as just a bit of ”police teasing” …. which made me laugh because it sounds like Eve teasing.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_teasing

  18. Sofi — on 31st August, 2009 at 9:35 pm  

    Douglas, no evidence:(

    What concerned me was receiving a barrage of texts, from all and sundry, claiming the BNP would be in town on Sunday and to avoid the area. This clearly had a ripple effect on the all and sundry. Who incited this, i dont know. I vainly tried fighting back with a “please stop spreading baseless rumours, the council has banned all marches” text but to no avail. sigh.

  19. Dalbir — on 31st August, 2009 at 9:35 pm  

    Helen@15

    I wondered into Upton Park the other day when Millwall vs West Ham was on, and believe you me, that was much more intimidating.

    I found the awful grime music in the background to that video (#7) more disturbing than anything in it myself.

  20. Sofi — on 31st August, 2009 at 9:37 pm  

    btw#7, i couldnt view the video but found the comments quite interesting stroke alarming.

  21. douglas clark — on 31st August, 2009 at 9:42 pm  

    Cyburn @ 12,

    Cool,

    it didnt really seem like there was a riot at all per se, but a bunch of youths assembling to making the police think there was gonna be a riot.

    That is exactly what I saw too. And I saw the police not being fascist bastards!

    Fuck me!

  22. Helen — on 31st August, 2009 at 9:44 pm  

    I thought that about the music too

    I would imagine that millwall scence would have been as intimidating and even harder to understand just pointless mindless violence

  23. Sunny — on 31st August, 2009 at 9:56 pm  

    I sympathise with Helen here, they are a bunch of idiots standing around trying to look hard. Unless there is an actual threat of BNP violence, shut the fuck up and sit at home, rather than standing around beating your chest.

  24. douglas clark — on 31st August, 2009 at 9:56 pm  

    Sofi @ 18,

    If that is true, you are welome to come here. I’d like to think that if anyone said that, they’d get bombed.

    That is what I am trying to stand for.

    Not an exclusive nationalism, but an inclusive one…

  25. jookymundo — on 1st September, 2009 at 3:37 am  

    Helen@10

    What sort of Afghan is your husband in, is it a male or female afghan?

    I’m surprised your so supportive.

  26. Helen — on 1st September, 2009 at 9:14 am  

    I know that should have said serving in Afghanistan force of habit it gets (wrongly) shortened alot by soldiers. Also im not great at spelling and grammar I did get a degree but from a second rate uni apologies :)

    Im not why youre surprised however?

  27. camilla — on 1st September, 2009 at 10:31 am  

    sunny, you are so pathetic, trying to deny any connection between “these kids” and so-called “anti-fascists movement”…

    such a joy watching your vain attempts to drow attention away from this fact “EDL will use this… will take advantage… bla-bla-bla”…

    EDL may take advantage of it, but doesn’t cancel the fact that these guys are extremists…

    THESE ARE VERY SAME PEOPLE

    there is no anti-fascist movement there, they are just anti-white fascists, they had already expressed their attitude to muslim extremism and they are supportive of it

    what happened in Luton recently is logical part of what they are, not an accident!

  28. camilla — on 1st September, 2009 at 10:36 am  

    “Otherwise they’re no better than the trouble-makers from the English Defence League.”

    they are no better, they are worse… look, come on, every time

    so guys you are terribly set up by these “anti-nazis” (ha-ha, who gonna believe it now, ha?)

  29. camilla — on 1st September, 2009 at 10:48 am  

    have read about “racist attack” on Salma Yaqoob…

    another proof that muslims always exagerate their troubles to attrack attention…

    why she is so scared of protests?

  30. Sofi — on 1st September, 2009 at 12:04 pm  

    >>shut the fuck up and sit at home, rather than standing around beating your chest.

    LOVE it :D

    i wish you were on the BBC AN today Sunny. Theyre covering it on their news right now.

  31. camilla — on 1st September, 2009 at 1:58 pm  

    just watched the video by Salam called “Birmingham united muslim fascits” actually the title is different but my is more appropriate

    I guess the only way to prevent anti-white violence (so desirable for EDL in Salma’s mind) – is banning the whites from appearing on the city streets, aссording to Salma Yaqoob.

  32. douglas clark — on 1st September, 2009 at 2:07 pm  

    camilla,

    Can I ask you a question? I look out of my window sometimes and I don’t see any of this kicking off. Why do you want it to?

    I’d certainly ban marches that were proto fascist, and also marches that were proto Islamicist.

    But you, dear friend, would ban one and not the other?

    It does not compute…

  33. Shatterface — on 1st September, 2009 at 2:18 pm  

    I wouldn’t ban either march but at least douglas is consistant.

  34. douglas clark — on 1st September, 2009 at 2:28 pm  

    Shatterface,

    I agree. It is just a personal thing. I find marches annoying in the extreme. Orange walks are an affront to me as a person, no matter whether they have a bigger political statement…

  35. Shatterface — on 1st September, 2009 at 3:36 pm  

    If find them noisy and annoying, whether they’re banging a drum for Billy O or blowing a whistle for the right to wear hotpants and a moustache, but unless there’s an immediate threat to life or a huge degree of property I’d let them go ahead. I might want to march myself for something one day, if the weathers good.

  36. damon — on 2nd September, 2009 at 12:58 am  

    Just one obversation about this not so great disturbance in Luton.
    From the youtube that Cyburn linked to @ 7.
    Is it to be expected that it will be all Asian youth that will come out of Bury Park to want to do something about ”the BNP?”
    Are the Luton communities quite segregated?
    Lots of phone calls and texts got these lads out. But only from one part of the wider community it seems.
    They’re only kids, and it’s of no significence really, but I did hear a couple of weak cries of ”Allahu Akbar” as stuff was chucked.

    I see the celebrations that take place after Pakistan cricket victories locally, so I’m guessing that things are quite segregated in some places.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVefDOSY4d0

  37. Soso — on 2nd September, 2009 at 2:38 pm  

    “Youths”

    You’re asking Selma Yacoob to intervene with these “youths” What possible qualifications does she have that gives her special insight into youths and being young?

    A PHD in adolescent developement?

    By employing that term “youths” one wonders whether Sunny hasn’t been in France.

    Taking french lessons!

  38. Soso — on 2nd September, 2009 at 2:47 pm  

    I have some sympathies for Salma Yacoob. Her “youth” constituents will never, and this no matter what Miss Salma says or does, behave and obey. They will overplay their hand at every occassion making it simply impossible for progressives and anti-fascists to maintain their comfortable “business-as-usual” line.

    And if Salma badgers these youths too much they could well use her entire body as a canvas upon which they’ll paint a portrait of just how much of a boon to women’s rights the advent of Islam turned out to be.

    And then they’ll have her sign it.

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