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    Videogames don’t kill people…


    by Sunny
    4th June, 2006 at 5:43 pm    

    Sarbloh Warriors is a pioneering Sikh computer game, the first of its kind anywhere. Currently under development, it will combine the latest 3D action technology with the historical setting of 18th century Northern India. Based on true events of the period, a story has been created to take the player back in time, and experience how bands of Sikhs were forced to fight back from the brink of extinction, using typical weaponry of the time against the Imperial forces of Mughal India.

    Game Features:

    * An epic story & based on real events
    * Custom designed levels, lavish backdrops
    * Authentic Indian & Persian architecture
    * Period weaponry & armour
    * In-Game cinematics, musical themes, voice dialogues
    * 3D engine technology used in commercial games

    In 18th century India, the government offered rewards to anyone who could capture or kill a Sikh. Sikhs were few in number but were acknowledged for having a legendary spirit, which saw them survive not one but two holocausts.

    ‘Sarbloh’ is a Punjabi word, meaning ‘iron’. The Sikhs held iron in great esteem. They always kept their iron weapons with them, as if they ere limbs or extensions of their bodies. To be without a weapon was seen to be as a toothless tiger, easily hunted down. They were constantly on the move, They ate and drank what they could find or drink from their iron vessels. Iron kept them alive and allowed them to survive, iron ran through their blood, iron coated their unbreakable minds. Yet while their bodies and minds were almost metallic, their hearts remained soft with compassion.

    From: www.sarblohwarriors.co.uk

    Ahhh yes. That old problem of dredging up history. Predictably, the game will involve Sikh warriors killing Mughal enemies.

    So a BBC Asian Network discussion tomorrow will ask (yes, I’ll be involved) if it should be banned. Banned?? Why is it Asians want everything banned? Ban this, ban that! Ban anything we don’t like!

    There are two issues here:

    1) Freedom of speech - where do you draw the line on banning? As I’ve said umpteenth times, I draw the line on when you’re inciting others to murder or hatred. The game doesn’t seem to be doing that. It’s talking about history.

    What next? Sikhs can’t mention 1984 because it may offend Hindus? Palestinians can’t mention 1948 because it may offend Jews? Jews can’t mention the Holocaust because it may offend Germans? Rather than try and bury history, my view to better inter-community relations is to embrace the past and teach your children to learn from it. Where do you draw the line?

    The maker of the game clarified on this online discussion:

    the game will take the kids on a journey, through the main character on how he chooses to deal with his loss. and hopefully teach them that compassion is the path to freedom.

    this game is not about any religion fighting any other religion, attrocities were comitted by individual cheiftans and governers.

    too many young kids, sikhs and muslims fighting each other thinking its a historical basis for it, but they are SOOOO wrong.

    I think that is an admirable and responsible stance to take.

    2) Do video games lead people to kill others? It’s too bad they’re not having Keith Vaz on there, otherwise I would have insulted him. Hard. And brutally.

    An inquiry kick-started by Keith Vaz actually found little link between violent games and violent behaviour, possibly because it was stupid in the first place. As Chris Rock’s immortal saying goes: “Gun don’t kill people, people bullets kill people”. He probably added “motherfucker” to the end of that but this is a family website (ok, it’s not).

    Such nanny-state demands for censorship annoy me because they absolve parents of responsibilites. Listen, if your kid turns out to be a criminal or a murdering psycho - it’s your goddamn fault, don’t blame society! And don’t blame video games!

    I used to listen to NWA since the age of 15 (and still love them) and my favourite video game involves blowing people’s heads off and car-jacking. But I’m a well-adjusted member of society aren’t I? If you know me personally, don’t answer that question.


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    1. Vikrant — on 4th June, 2006 at 5:51 pm  

      Wheey…. must be fun. Seriously those Al Qaeda mods for CoD2 sucked ass. BTW Sunny remember it is (spit)Mughals(/spit) who get their asses whipped not the Muslims…

      Sikhs can’t mention 1984 because it may offend Hindus?

      Why Hindus? it was Congress not the Hindus. No Hindu would ever get offended by few Sikhs demanding justice for 1984 victims.

    2. Vikrant — on 4th June, 2006 at 5:52 pm  

      Unless ofcourse Sunny you buy the Khalistani line of Hindu-Brahmins-destroying-our-religion…

    3. Kismet Hardy — on 4th June, 2006 at 5:57 pm  

      I’m in the process of designing and hereby patenting my new game BOMB BABESâ„¢

      It features sexy brown women who run around naked but for headscarves and an osama bin laden cut-out covering their labia. The object of the game is to travel the world and plant bombs before the authorities can catch up with them.

      It needs a bit of tweaking though, because whether you take the girls to Syria or the Mongolia, the authorities keep going back to a tiny flat in east London in search of talcum powder

      Anyhoo, I’m waiting for that call from Alan Sugar

    4. Sunny — on 4th June, 2006 at 6:11 pm  

      Unless ofcourse Sunny you buy the Khalistani line of Hindu-Brahmins-destroying-our-religion…

      I think that Brahmins are rather like the American White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant-Male crew, prefer to preserve their clan while screwing everyone else.

    5. inders — on 4th June, 2006 at 6:17 pm  

      chris rock didn’t say ‘guns don’t kill people, people kill people’ as far as I recall thats what the gun lobby in the US have been saying since time immemerable. Chris rock said ‘guns don’t kill people, bullets kill people’ and advocated bullet control rather then gun control.

    6. Kismet Hardy — on 4th June, 2006 at 6:23 pm  

      Chris rock also said ‘shit man, I got a hardon’

      I know

    7. Vikrant — on 4th June, 2006 at 6:54 pm  

      Sunny,

      We both belong to what they term ‘Kshatriya’ castes. Lets stop blaming Brahmins. Even our people are to blame… dont Rajputs and Jats (both Sikh and Hindu kind) go around screwing lower castes?

      BTW the point is 1984 didnt have anything to do with Hinduism, Hindus or even Hindutva. It was the pinko Congress types..

    8. Ismaeel — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:19 pm  

      “BTW Sunny remember it is (spit)Mughals(/spit) who get their asses whipped not the Muslims… ”

      Then no doubt the Sikh warriors will also be pitted against the Mughul’s Rajput and Maratha troops as well as their Muslim ones.

    9. Vikrant — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:22 pm  

      What Ismaeel!!!…. you are speaking to a half-Rajput half-Maratha guy. Incase you didnt know it what Marathas who owned Mughals than the other way round. By 1750 it was the Peshwas from Pune who ruled India. It was precisely becoz treacherous Mughals that Maratha-Sikh combo army lost 3rd battle of Panipat…

    10. Vikrant — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:23 pm  

      Tough i’d give it to you, the Rajputs did fight for Mughals at some point.

    11. Ismaeel — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:25 pm  

      Well then why is the hero of this game fighting Mughuls then???

    12. Vikrant — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:28 pm  

      well it is set in 16th century…

    13. Vikrant — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:30 pm  

      err… it is 17th century… when Aurangzeb was at his fanatic best… Maratha prince was dismembered on Mughals stakes while Sikh guru was hanged… i guess 17th century Mughals werent exactly nice people.

    14. Ismaeel — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:32 pm  

      When Aurangzeb still had plenty of Rajput and Maratha troops, which was my original point.

    15. Vikrant — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:33 pm  

      get your facts straight. Aurangzeb NEVER ruled Marathas… all the 96 clans were up in arms against the Mughals.

    16. Ismaeel — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:37 pm  

      Vikrant,
      history is never quite so clear cut, there were many Muslims for instance who fought against the Mughuls sometimes leading predominantly Hindu armies and vice-versa. That is the point i am trying to make, that Indian history rarely witnessed straight religion on religion violence without a lot of other political and economic motivations.

    17. Vikrant — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:39 pm  

      Well i know that… Marathas had Muslim generals… lets get it sta\raight when i say Mughals i dont generally mean Muslims

    18. Ismaeel — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:40 pm  

      I appreciate that, that’s why i’m saying that i hope this game reflects the historical realities and it isn’t just a Sikh hero fighting “evil” Muslims.

    19. Vikrant — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:48 pm  

      my favourite video game involves blowing people’s heads off and car-jacking.

      I didnt know you played GTA!!! Nows that pwns.

      P.S I’m offended because you think Hindus get offended at the mentions of 1984.

    20. Sunny — on 4th June, 2006 at 7:59 pm  

      No I’m saying that if some group decides that mentioning Hindus in a game set around 1984 would be wrong, and demands censorship, that would be annoying.
      And yes, I’m a GTA fanatic.

      Not that this censorship is one way. A few years ago some Sikh groups complained about a Sikh character in Hitman 2 videogame and wanted it removed because they said it was inciting hatred. Idiots.

    21. Don — on 4th June, 2006 at 8:25 pm  

      Of course video games, movies and music cause violence. If it weren’t for Johnny Cash, I never would have shot than man in Reno.

      Actually, video games are a mystery to me. I got hooked on Civilisation III a few years ago, but it was made clear that it was either Civ or my marriage.

    22. Don — on 4th June, 2006 at 9:02 pm  

      Check this out;

      http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/29/195855/959

    23. fridgemagnet — on 4th June, 2006 at 9:26 pm  

      Bah, no Mac version. Ban it!

    24. Bikhair — on 5th June, 2006 at 12:52 am  

      Kismet & Inders,

      Chris rock also said, “I love black people, but I cant stand niggas.”

      This guy is genious.

      Sunny, dont delete me.

    25. Kismet Hardy — on 5th June, 2006 at 1:00 am  

      I don’t like chris rock but I did crack up at his observation, allow me to fuck it up by paraphrasing.

      ‘I hate niggas who sound so proud when they say: I ain’t never been to jail. I look after my kids.

      That’s what your supposed to do you ignorant fuck’

    26. StrangelyPsychedelique / Kesara — on 5th June, 2006 at 1:28 am  

      I like ‘Bowling for Columbine’ because it puts this kind of issue into a far better perspective…though I dont think it went into the issue of parental control as much.

    27. Your Humble Servent — on 5th June, 2006 at 10:58 am  

      Sunny,

      Interesting article also good luck with the BBC Asian Network discussion.

      Freedom of speech must always exist, Freedom to protest must always exist too. As they say “every action creates a reaction”. If someone wants to be offensive than expect someone else to be defensive, they go hand in hand!

      Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

    28. SajiniW — on 5th June, 2006 at 12:22 pm  

      What I hate about the media: blaming computer games/artists each time a minor who is a fan of said concept commits murder.

      Why is it impossible to accept a minor can kill out of cold blood?

    29. taranjit — on 5th June, 2006 at 5:22 pm  

      what i don’t like is that religious people always have to bring it back to religion.

      when William Wallace was fighting the British in the film braveheart, did everyone get shocked and have radio discussions about “OH MY GOD Mel gibson has made a film about killing Christians” NOOOOO

      He was fighting injustice freedom for his people against the British, I dont think the British cared much what the church thought anyway.

      and anyway what about the Persians and the Afghan invaders who came to Dehli and massacred loads of Mughals.

      black on black crime man, but if a sikh defends his village, thats racism.

    30. Guy from sumwhere — on 5th June, 2006 at 11:54 pm  

      is it more or does that game character look like he shaves his arms n legs i mean for an asian guy he hasnt got much body hair

      why has noone noticed the rubbish graphics on the game what are we in the PS1 days agen PLZ ppl get sum more polygons on that guy first of its kind yeah right its nothing original except for the it being a game about sikhs in 18th centry india

    31. Pali Kaur — on 9th June, 2006 at 1:36 pm  

      I went to the website and it says that they are actively seeking to involve Muslims in the production of the game so that they can make sure everything is OK on the Muslim front, including contacting the Muslim Council of Britain. This would be a good thing in fact they should incorporate Muslims into the game because Punjabi Muslims fought against the Mughals too even before the Sikhs for example Dullah Bhatti rescued Hindu women from abduction by the Mughals and he is a hero to Sikh and Hindu Punjabis who celebrate the Lohri festival to commemorate him.

    32. David Jackmanson — on 13th June, 2006 at 2:15 pm  

      Sunny, did you know that someone at R* with too much time on their hands has actually made working, online, Degenatron and Xsorbeo emulators?

      Xsorbeo not suitable for work or children.

    33. Sunny — on 13th June, 2006 at 2:43 pm  

      Haha! That xsorbeo page is funny!

    34. David Jackmanson — on 14th June, 2006 at 4:21 pm  

      I couldn’t believe it when I saw the links on one of the R* pages…they took some tiny, throwaway gags and built actual working joke sites around them. Love it :) If you want to see more sites that they built around jokes from the game, see here, including links to Chris Fromage’s, Darius Fontaine’s and Maccer’s ‘official’ sites.

    35. chann — on 21st June, 2006 at 10:48 am  

      India always welcomed any outsiders who came here settled and treated this country as there own. Were they english!, mughals, or ooh.. let me say it aryans. There was difference in perception of different mughal emperors about this country. There were kinds of Akbar and there were kinds of aurangjeb and english who were there for the loot.
      This promised land of the old world was always mean’t to be a secular state. So fights of the people in different era against the rulers of that time shouldn’t be given religious colour. It was the fight against the oppressor or foreigner if the ruler didn’t thought himself to be part of this country.

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