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  • Football violence: Millwall and West Ham

    by Rumbold
    26th August, 2009 at 11:42 am    

    Large-scale fighting within a stadium made an unwelcome return to English football yesterday. A number of supporters were injured as fights broke out between West Ham and Millwall fans.

    Fighting between fans has never disappeared, but for the last twenty years or so there hasn’t been much fighting within stadiums (thanks to better policing, stewarding and CCTV). Is this the return of an unwelcome tradition? I doubt it. West Ham and Millwall fans (or rather some of them) are notoriously violent, and this was a derby match, which hadn’t taken place for some time. A few other clubs (Leeds, Cardiff) also have seen violence in recent years, but I suspect (and hope) yesterday’s fighting will be the exception.

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    1. ahmed — on 26th August, 2009 at 11:54 am  

      but I thought, as per the BNP, crime and violence only came from immigrants/darkies?

    2. Dalbir — on 26th August, 2009 at 1:16 pm  

      I was in the area last night. It was like a beseiged town.

      I wonder how much it cost to police? Helicopters were flying about all evening.

      Anyway, I hope those that try and push the idea that Johnny Foreigner is out to cause havoc on the peaceful streets of Britain have their eyes duly opened. But somehow I doubt it.

    3. thabet — on 26th August, 2009 at 2:34 pm  

      Elijah Wood has a lot to answer for.

    4. falcao — on 26th August, 2009 at 4:46 pm  

      Well we have another set of hooligans causing havoc in the form of the EDL and Causals united looks like football hooliganism is back.

    5. Shatterface — on 26th August, 2009 at 5:15 pm  

      ‘Elijah Wood has a lot to answer for.’

      F***ing Hobbits, I knew it! If they’re not burgling dragons they’re smoking weed and picking fights.

      Why doesn’t Griffin tackle these hairy-footed little sods?

    6. asquith — on 26th August, 2009 at 5:41 pm  

      Who’s going to be the first to try blaming this on furrins then?

    7. Adnan — on 26th August, 2009 at 5:51 pm  

      Well, it must be the one’s who are descended from Sudanese ;)

      From the Mockerney district of Khartoum:

    8. Dalbir — on 26th August, 2009 at 7:04 pm  

      Elijah Wood has a lot to answer for.

      I don’t think so. Gary Oldman portrayed a football hooligan long before him. Plus he looks real girlie.

    9. amused — on 26th August, 2009 at 7:12 pm  

      Im surprised those holligans didnt go targeting ethnics, since west ham is mostly a muslim area these days.

    10. lurker — on 26th August, 2009 at 7:28 pm  

      #8 - being a football hooligan doesn’t necessarily make you racist. way to go tarring all with the same brush though. go team!

      this fixture was doomed from the start. the main problem is that the two teams don’t play each other very often, so the goons seem to get a little too excited when they see an opportunity to drink stella and headbutt lamposts infront of their bitter rivals.

      however, you’ve got just as tense rivalries between arsenal/spurs, united/city, liverpool/everton, but as they play each other regularly, and as such its normally marginal violence, if any.

      the second problem, and one which really should/could have been avoided, was that this was an evening kick off. big derby games usually have 12.45pm kick offs. the reason being is that it gives the goons less chance to fuel their ambitions of beating up someone whos wearing the wrong shirt with pints of, yes, you guessed it - stella.

      is it the return of hooliganism? i doubt it. as with any set of fans, you’ve got the good ones and the bad ones. these are the same fans who would go to games week in, week out, and nothings been flaring up for a while now.

      also, if the reports are to be believed, it looks like this assault was pre-arranged on the internet. which is impressive, seeing as few of those lot have yet to procure a set of opposable thumbs.

    11. Don — on 26th August, 2009 at 7:48 pm  


      See article below. (Yes, I know it’s a lazy way of posting but what the hell)

    12. Andy Gilmour — on 26th August, 2009 at 11:21 pm  

      A mate of mine up here in Fife-land who’s an ex-Londoner (and diehard Hammers fan) suggested that since it was a cup game, there’d be a lot more non-season-ticket holders (i.e. a lot more @rseholes who just wanted to have a go at Millwall) inside the ground.

      Which might explain the back-to-the-80′s pitch invasions stupidity a bit?

      A possibility?

    13. Tom — on 27th August, 2009 at 12:22 am  

      There wasn’t any large scale fighting within the stadium. Just a few idiots taking a beating from the police. The pitch invasion was more camp than threatening. Some fighting outside but again mainly pissed people chucking stuff. From the reporting you’d think it was the IDF in Gaza rather than the ICF on Green Street.

      Its what happens in West Ham/Millwall games but they usually happen more rarely, its been twenty years since anyone has had the opportunity to drink all day before one, and it happended on a slow news day in August.

      11# is correct - where I was sitting about half the people were once in a blue moon visitors.

      No need to panic, it won’t happen again for another 20 years.

      8# you’ll be pleased to hear that it was equal opportunity disorder - there were a fair few “ethnics” involved in chucking stuff at the Millwall fans.

    14. damon — on 27th August, 2009 at 12:45 am  

      Has anyone noticed that a lot of football stewards these days are black people (just looking to earn a few quid on a match day)?
      I saw some pictures of these black stewards in orange jackets trying to calm down the seriously worked up idiot (white) hooligans who were threatening to storm on to the pitch.

      There’s plenty of them at Palace. It’s a pity the same ratio of ethnic minority fans don’t turn up at the games. It’s quite minority friendly these days from what I see.

      This match was a bit of a throwback and brought the neanderthals out of the woodwork.

      I wasn’t there Tom, so I don’t know, but closing Upton Park tube station which many of fans would have been heading for - but then having to get off at further away stations and walk a longer distance to the ground put many more people in danger perhaps.

      At about 6pm I passed Mile End tube station and saw the not unuasual sight of young lads walking to the tube station in their football shirts. Three young guys on a sunny evening wearing Millwall shirts.
      I hope they weren’t forced to walk a long and unknown route (because of the closed tube station) of nasty thugs standing about cordinating their cowardly attacks by mobile phone.

    15. Halima — on 27th August, 2009 at 4:51 am  

      My sister gets summer jobs at the stadiums to earn a living - mostly at Arsenal, even though they live in East London. But I don’t know why the same kids won’t go and watch a match - perhaps they see the attitudes on display far more than fly-by fans - you know ‘being black’ and working there etc, they might see a bit more. Perhaps they can’t afford to spectate -matches are expensive.

      Pity that - football is about the best thing i can see to unite people.

      I personally don’t go to matches unless i think they’ll be family friendly and yes, i do believe that some clubs are more racist than others - why not, football reflects a cross section of British society and quite a large section of British society is racist. Sounds like a sweeping stereotype, but if English football is serious about kicking racism out of football, they’re do a better campaign about it.

      It seems West Ham itself does a pretty good job outreaching into local schools etc to get more kids to play etc ( think one of my nephews took part in a training session when west ham came to his primary school), but seems a tiny, fringe came along looking for trouble. Shame.

      I came across a mate who works for ‘Kick racism out of football’ a not for profit charity, and she says it’s had work getting the clubs to take this kind of work seriouosly.

    16. dave bones — on 27th August, 2009 at 9:36 am  

      I love some of these comments but I am really not bothered at all if West Ham fans and Milwall fans have a scrap. Why is it a reflection of anything else or dragged into a wider context I don’t know. The “Stella fueled lamp post head-butters” as Lurker calls them. don’t like each other. They want a scrap. These people exist everywhere in the UK.

    17. loyal_to_66 — on 27th August, 2009 at 12:25 pm  

      As a loyal Hammer, I was gutted to hear your pal Iain Dale had posted this, this week of all weeks.

      In a review of Mark Ward’s book he highlights with some satisfaction a story of a young player being headbutted by a senior player.

      When his readers protest Dale then berates them and tells them it’s an “amusing anecdote.” This is less than a year after a footballer was killed in precisely this kind of incident and less than 48 hours after the violence at West Ham.

      How can this guy think he’s fit to be in Parliament?

    18. asquith — on 27th August, 2009 at 6:56 pm  

      Our old pal Scum trolls ConHome on the matter, still looking for a site that won’t ban him.

    19. Kids Football Shirt — on 5th September, 2009 at 1:04 pm  

      I hope those that try and push the idea that Johnny Foreigner is out to cause havoc on the peaceful streets of Britain have their eyes duly opened.

    20. trev burn — on 19th April, 2010 at 7:42 pm  

      millwall supporters fuck there own mothers

    21. Kismet Hardy — on 19th April, 2010 at 8:00 pm  

      but the mothers of west ham supporters are so much more attractive

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