Do you really belive that BNP politics and the impact of their hate only affects the Muslim community? If you do then think again. The mass media has never done as much positive-Islamic profiling from radio to television to print journalism as has been witnessed over the past decade.

Yes, there has been political rhetoric against extremists and terrorists, yet I have seen a lot more people show sympathy with the Islamic community and turn up and show their utter disregard against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

You say ‘ right-wing British/European/American extremism, initiated from already well-laid out plans following 9/11, across the mainstream media, and orchestrated to allow the Iraq and Afghan wars to happen.’ The reality I have witnessed over the past 8 years has been demonstrated by the spirit of democratic free speech in this country and most western and european democracies, where millions of people have demonstrated on the streets and used their votes in the ballot-box to demonstrate their apathy against these wars.

I’m dumbfounded as to how the Government rhetoric helped your so called ‘right-wing British/European/American extremism’ when if anything the public, the press, and almost all media has received such rhetoric with the greatest cynicism, and the opposition parties on both sides of the pond have scrutinised the justification for the war in Iraq with great enthusiasm.

If you feel this is extremism and right wing, then how would you describe the extremists and terrorists behind the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings whose language is not only abhorent but justifies the killing of innocent kafirs/infidels as deliberate efforts to ensnare the west to wholeheartedly embrace Islam ‘peacefully’ or otherwise face more attacks?

Most Muslims I know also regard this language as abhorent and the actions of the terrorists as un-Islamic. However there is still a mindset and language of infidelism/ kafirism whether in moderate terms or in silent acceptance of such terms which treats non-muslims with disdain. If this is not also the language of hate, or of right-wing politics then how else would you describe it? There was a time when it was acceptable, and justified by interpretation of the bible, to believe that people of colour were second class and that they should be enslaved. The Christian world has moved on and learnt that such hate filled rhetoric holds no place in Christianity. This reform should also take place within the Muslim world.

NF/BNP hate politics had become unacceptable for many years. It should remain unacceptable. That battle will he harder if all hate politics is not condemned, but only that of the white haters. This is not defensive action but objective, sincere and honest testimony, which is needed if we want to show equal tolerance and respect for all.

Hate is hate, the definition does not discriminate, even if the protagonists do.

Rab rakha!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/20/bnp-far-right-racist-argument

With the government being criticized on the Prevent Violent Extremism project, and possibility of it being scrapped or amended. It seems quilliam are worried they are of little use and worried their 1 million pound blank cheque, mortgages and wages will no longer be funded by the british taxpayer. So shift gear on providing disinformation and propaganda against the muslim community for the past year, now they want us to believe they want to be the knight in shining armour for the muslim community against the bnp yeah right pull the other one!

http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2009/08/anti-extremism-scheme-should-be-scrapped-says-think-tank/

However with the government being criticized on the Prevent Violent Extremsim projects and possibility of it being scrapped or amended it seems quilliam are worried there of little use and worried their mortgages and wages will no longer be funded by the british taxpayer. So shift gear on lambasting the muslim community for past 2 years and now they want to be the knight in shining armour for the muslim community against the bnp yeah right pull the other one!

http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2009/08/anti-extremism-scheme-should-be-scrapped-says-think-tank/

In terms of being a “nationalist” (as per the BNP definition of the term) Gandhi was about as far from Griffin as it is possible to be; that dubious honour falls to the racist psychopaths who were responsible for assassinating him.

…..because they thought Gandhi was “too tolerant, sympathetic & compassionate” towards Muslims.

Again, I doubt anyone with an accurate grasp of Gandhi’s life, beliefs and actions could mistake him for an ideological predecessor to Griffin. Not even remotely.

In terms of being a “nationalist” (as per the BNP definition of the term) Gandhi was about as far from Griffin as it is possible to be; that dubious honour falls to the racist psychopaths who were responsible for assassinating him.

…..because they thought Gandhi was “too tolerant, sympathetic & compassionate” towards Muslims.

Again, I doubt anyone with an accurate grasp of Gandhi’s life, beliefs and actions could mistake him for an ideological predecessor to Nick Griffin. Not even remotely.

It’s good to know you agree with the sentiments of a bunch of Respect Party supporting hacks.

Mangles, you need your reality checked. The reason the BNP is so popular right now is directly tied in to all the anti-muslim rhetoric that has been staple in the mainstream for the last 8 years (since 9/11).

You are trying to conflate Islamic extremism and the BNP, when you should be conflating Right-wing British/European/American extremism, initiated from already well-laid out plans following 9/11, across the mainstream media, and orchestrated to allow the Iraq and Afghan wars to happen.

Just for clarification, I don’t really care whether or not you agree or argue with me on this, so don’t waste your/my time unless you have something intelligent to add.

MixTogether @ 41: I see the comments, looks like there is some history there. I don’t want to get involved, but its not helping the discussion.

Read down the comments on this thread., and look at my first contributions 16 and 17. They are totally related to the thread and constructive. Then read 20…

Sunny is more than capable of going off-topic to score cheap points, i’m sure he doesn’t need your help to do so.

But the headline grabbing escapades of Muslim-extremists in Luton at the troops homecoming for example help polarise communities immensely. Activities such as these, and where individuals propagate such hatred towards infidels and other groups, such as those depicted in the much heralded Dispatches programme also have a lot to answer for. The aftermath of that broadcast only saw West Mids Police try to prosecute the film makers/broadcasters (at our expense) instead of the individuals professing such hatred, and the venues where such hatred was being preached.

Seems mighty peculiar does it not? So when people turn to a party/people who seem to want to raise this issue in multicolor/dolby sound etc (and clearly for ulterior racist political motives) then who do you blame? The BNP have been there for decades. Yes their profile has been raised recently, but what has fuelled that profiles ability to reach the parts of the country and people it couldn’t before?

Like I said its mighty time we dealt with all hate pedlars and not just some. Then the BNP would stop getting the sympathy of the masses, and they will surely be beaten at their own game. Lucy has started a good discussion. However I still see her defending to some degree the hatred being fuelled by Muslim extremists. We need to be much bolder and objective if we are truly to beat the BNP at their own game and challenge not just the hatred of the BNP’s politics but also political-Islam.

Rab rakha!

but this Griffin, he has opinions we don’t like so we can’t have that can we. Quite amusing really.
Those Nationalists;-
First they decide that they don’t like foreign influence or foreign governments.
Then, they start to preach against those foreign things.
Next thing you know, they have a following.
Then the following grows.
Then come the civil disobedience campaigns and before you know it, there’s an upheaval and they toss out the foreigners.
Of course, I’m referring to the Nationalist Ghandi, not the Nationalist Griffin.

Nice attempt, but ludicrously far from the truth. Gandhi was purely opposed to foreign political & military rule, specifically in relation to imperialism.

He had no issues with “foreign influences” and certainly was not interested in “tossing out the foreigners”. And he was actively opposed to any kind of hostility or bigotry towards ordinary non-Indians in general, including — most importantly, in this specific situation — ordinary British people. In terms of being a “nationalist” (as per the BNP definition of the term) Gandhi was about as far from Griffin as it is possible to be; that dubious honour falls to the racist psychopaths who were responsible for assassinating him.

Incidentally, if one is going to try to misappropriate historical figures in order to draw false comparisons with Griffin, it’s best to spell their names correctly: “Gandhi”, not “Ghandi”.

If I have it right, any Muslim anywhere in Europe who exercises their right to follow their religion is turning their locale into Eurabia. How entirely logical and sensible (if you are a BNP member or Nazi sympathiser, that is).

MixTogether @ 37: Your constant slurs are becoming a bit irritating. Why not stick to the debate in a constructive manner? If you are trying to be the exemplar for the issue of mixed couples, then you ain’t doing a very good job with all the “he said, she said” stuff…

I saw first hand at City Circle how seriously everyone takes you, and since then it’s just got worse!

I heard the meme that you blow plastic dolls is also out there but I haven’t repeated it yet.

I’ll use your blogs when it suits me, unless you are enough of a pussy to ban me for no reason?

Ooooh, hard man! No need to ban you really, because I like abusing you here. You’re a one-trick-pony that deserves repeated abuse.

When I was at university in the mid-1990s, study of the BNP was something almost novel. Not that long ago, the BNP struggled to get their message going but the internet is tailor made for a group like them. Even as far back as the mid 1990s the BNP had clearly invested heavily in their internet profile. Look at their website, it is excellent.

What we have seen recently is a feeding frenzy on the ‘mainstream’ (for want of a better word) and a near unchallenged rise of ‘hardline’ views.

The point I am, clumsily, getting at is that there are a number of factors behing the rise of the BNP in the last few years. I suspect that a tory government would face much the same problems.

For as long as people are keen to avoid the hard questions, the unpoplar balances and the like inherent in government and give great weight to easy answers politics we will seen the BNP persist.

I see, “”right-wing” means you can safely ignore it.

The article quoted both left-wing and right-wing Dutch figures/journalists. They all speak english and are very easy to get into touch with, so why not drop ‘em a line? I assume you’re in the UK. Holland is close and easy to visit, so why not go and see for yourself?

I was in Rotterdam a little over a year ago, and what I observed dovetails quite nicely with what’s stated in the article.

Why do you think Geert Wilders Freedom Party is set to become the no 1 party in the Netherlands? Because half of Holland have suddenly morphed into “right-wing” knuckle-dragging racists?

I may disturb you to know that T. Ramadan is no longer an advisor with Rotterdam city gov’t.

He was booted from the job…at the behest of LEFT-WING city officials who’ve undergone an epiphany.

So let’s invite him to lecture at Oxford.

Another demographics should not be used to predict anything.