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  • This is what BNPers get up to

    by Sunny
    24th August, 2009 at 12:07 pm    

    From the News of the World:

    A 12-year-old girl there with her dad (we are protecting her identity) held a golly called Winston over the fire as Coombes “charged” him with “mugging, rape, drug dealing”.

    He sneered: “Right Winston, you’re about to get cooked. Anything else to say?

    “Says he ain’t a drug dealer. He thinks he’s not black. He’s charged with being black. Now get on there.”

    Skinhead Hamilton chipped in: “If he jumps off he’s innocent.” Coombes went on: “He’s guilty, guilty as charged.

    “Let’s get a real one - in the town we’ll find one or two. They’ll also be guilty of the heinous crimes I charged him with - may God forgive your horrible soul.” Coombes repeated the charges then added: “He may have appeared innocent to you lot but I’m sure he done lots of things wrong.”

    There’s two elements to this: caricaturing black people as muggers and racists, and then of course the incite to violence ‘let’s find a real one’.

    The caricaturing has almost become common practice: blacks are constantly implied as being inherently violent - Rod Liddle does it shamelessly in the Sunday Times - and Muslims as secret terrorists or sympathisers. Or that they want to turn Britain into a caliphate.

    That link between caricaturing an entire group and incitement to violence is plain to see above. Once you’ve villified and dehumanised a group enough, these people start thinking they’re doing humanity a favour by attacking them. The rise of the BNP has increasingly led to the legitimacy of the view that people should do something about the ‘ethnic problem’ - hence the right of far-right extremism.

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    1. hantsboy — on 24th August, 2009 at 12:42 pm  

      At BNP Central we know all about being castigated.
      Happens continually in the MSM.
      PS How would YOU like to be called a ‘knuckledragger’ Sunny ?

    2. douglas clark — on 24th August, 2009 at 1:05 pm  


      Offence is the best part of defence, or so they say. But really…

      Do you deny that it happened?

    3. Sunny — on 24th August, 2009 at 1:14 pm  

      hantsboy - what else do you call people who get up to such stuff?

    4. Andy Gilmour — on 24th August, 2009 at 1:16 pm  

      Ah yes, the poor, frail, delicate, sensitive souls at the BNP.

      Dear,”HantsBoy”, if you had a wee look in the dictionary, and thought for a moment or three, you might realise that the way in which you are “being castigated” (‘censured, criticised’) is a completely different sense of “castigation” (‘inflicting severe punishment on’) from the one being applied in the above scenario.

      Could this be one of the reasons the “knuckledragger” epithet keeps heading your way…?

    5. simon woolley — on 24th August, 2009 at 1:58 pm  

      A political party that is based on racial hatred can only have a festival of hate, gorging themselves on their dislike for the other. It is particularly sad that they force feed their children this poison. In many ways we must not confront hatred with hatred, but, as difficult as it maybe, with the Ghandi and Martin Luther King philosophy of love. That said, if the bully boys are coming down your street…

    6. Boyo — on 24th August, 2009 at 2:12 pm  

      whatabout… the way you characterise those (ie me) that question you as racists sunny? good for the goose?

      your dialectic is quite insidious - it slavishly shores up the view that the rise of the BNP is due to… er the rise of the BNP. Nothing to do with the stifling of the debate on immigration with the racist smear (of which you are a champion), the disenchantment of the public as a whole with politics in general, the seeping away of power to unaccountable bodies etc etc

      sand. head. in. carry on as normal…

      in any case, the so-called “rise” of the BNP is dwarfed by the rise of UKIP, and neither would have “risen” without PR. neither has an MP… yet the “rise” of the BNP is seen as evidence that country is lurching horribly to the right so we had better not talk about immigration, etc

      like the late munir/blah and his lust for Israel, i wonder what you would do without those brainless racist bootboys?

    7. 5cc — on 24th August, 2009 at 3:38 pm  

      “yet the “rise” of the BNP is seen as evidence that country is lurching horribly to the right so we had better not talk about immigration, etc”

      Who said we shouldn’t talk about immigration?

    8. Sunny — on 24th August, 2009 at 4:59 pm  

      Nothing to do with the stifling of the debate on immigration

      Yes of course, the fact that the Daily Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun, News of the World and other papers constantly talk about immigration means the debate is being stifled

      What this has to with trying to find black people who you can string up though is unclear to me. Perhaps you can clarify Boyo?

    9. Boyo — on 24th August, 2009 at 5:02 pm  

      There you go again.

    10. David O'Keefe — on 24th August, 2009 at 7:07 pm  

      I agree with Boyo, we will never have an honest debate about immigration, with the right-wing press setting the agenda and framing the debate. Lets not forget that the BNP’s paper of choice is the mail.

    11. marvin — on 24th August, 2009 at 8:11 pm  

      Right O’Keefe, so to have an honest debate we need to shut down the Mail and the right wing press!… Does ‘honest’ happen to coincide whatever the Guardian think on the issue, per chance?

      What do you suggest O’Keefe? I suggest the left actually attemping ‘honest debate’. I don’t think any sane person is opposed to honest debate.

      The problem on both sides is political manoeuvring and tribalism. Hence the reluctance of much of the Daily Mail right to accept that there are benefits to diversity and immigration - and conversely the left really struggle in criticism of multiculturalism and to agree that it’s possible that immigration can have negative effects.

    12. David O'Keefe — on 24th August, 2009 at 8:20 pm  

      Wipe your mouth, Marvin. I don’t care to debate anything with angry wingnuts such as yourself.

    13. marvin — on 24th August, 2009 at 8:35 pm  

      Ad-hominen attacks, nice. You ARE the problem, you are hyper-partisan. Spitting venom at perceived enemies and political opponents. I did goad, which was probably unfair but you gotta expect at bit of rough and tumble. Jeez.

    14. MixTogether — on 24th August, 2009 at 8:48 pm  

      Let’s not forget that large sections of the Asian community have a massive problem with black people too, especially as potential partners for their children.

    15. marvin — on 24th August, 2009 at 8:57 pm  

      Oh sh*t MT… [ducks]

      Racism is universal in all ethnic groups. The particular racism reported in the NOTW is particularly nasty in it’s sentiments.

      But I don’t think we should all meditate on this bizarre voodoo-like nasty racist ritual till we’re accusing Boyo of wanting to string up blacks and David calling me a frothy mouthed angry wingnut.

    16. David O'Keefe — on 24th August, 2009 at 8:57 pm  

      Irony is lost on you Marvin, lord of the strawman.

    17. damon — on 24th August, 2009 at 10:47 pm  

      ”That link between caricaturing an entire group and incitement to violence is plain to see above”.

      That those disgusting rasists shown in the video might read Rod Liddle and take from what he says, is different in my opinion to him being part of the same ideology.
      The BNP also quote Migration Watch often, but I see a big differencce betweeen the two. Yes they might be somewhat Daily Mail in their outlook.
      But MW sometimes have a legitimate point, while the BNP never does.

      I just made a post in the ”Luton demo by English Defence League banned” thread where I taled about driving through East Ham this afternoon and I hope it wouldn’t be seen as giving support to these kinds of racists.

      Liddle can be a bit of a prat I know, but he’s not the same as those people burning that ‘thing’ in Derbyshire.

    18. Joel — on 24th August, 2009 at 11:19 pm  

      Blaming the rise of the BNP on the leading political parties for stifling debate is a bit of a distraction, sometimes. The tendency of the Right-Wing press to be so unbalanced in its coverage is a bigger culprit in my opinion.

      But let’s not forget that the share of the vote for the BNP actually went down in the MEP elections. This rise is really not a rise at all, but a spread of cynicism and apathy towards the mainstream parties. And it’s (for me) less to do with stifling debate… and again, partly the blame lies with the press.

    19. Sunny — on 24th August, 2009 at 11:32 pm  

      Have an honest debate about immigration marvin. So will you be writing to the Daily Mail and Daily Express demanding they don’t make shit up on the subject of immigration?

    20. Trofim — on 25th August, 2009 at 8:59 am  

      Would I be correct in thinking that we are regularly exhorted not to judge all muslims by the behaviour of half a dozen, and that, therefore, the same principle applies to members of the BNP? If not, is it not fair to assume that there are double standards at work?

    21. damon — on 25th August, 2009 at 9:42 pm  

      No Tofim it doesn’t, as you’re not equating like with like. You can’t compare the wider muslim population with the BNP.

      The BNP are mostly all idiot morons, while the wider muslim community is much more mixed, and people who identify themselves as muslim have a much wider range of opinions and outlooks.

    22. Andy — on 3rd November, 2009 at 1:08 am  

      Thats strange. Why are the police in these caricature strewn areas now carrying sub machine guns?

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