Comments on: The Sikhs are at it too

By: Lol Singh

Lol Singh — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:12:12 +0000

Congratulations to Ek Niwas – A New Sikh Gurdwara To Be Opened.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

Respected Sungat,

I have been informed that Ek Niwas are going to open a new Sikh Gurdwara.

You might ask why?

People said the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (SGGS) held at Ek Niwas was being disrespected. This was certainly not the case. Mata Ji has been doing it’s seva for the past 42 years. The SGGS has been fully respected.

With Sikh Leaders requests for the SGGS to be taken away from Ek Niwas, it is unmistakable that this will never happen.

The immense respect that Mata Ji has for the SGGS it is impossible for it to be taken away from her. With so much love and affection she has for the SGGS, a Gurdwara will be built as a compromise. This will take a lot of effort and money but will be worth it due to the full respect of the SGGS by Mata Ji. This is such an honourable thing to happen.

I have heard that the Sikh Leaders have objected to the opening of the Gurdwara by Ek Niwas. This is rather confusing due to the compromise that is inherent. But what is fascinating is that I have spoken to Sungat from lots of areas and other Gurdwaras who all give their support.

I personally give Good Luck to Mata Ji for her sheer determination and respect for the SGGS for taking this decision to build a Gurdwara. God Bless her

By: skang

skang — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:55:48 +0000

all i have to say about this is that ek niwas is a very respectable devine, it has not disrespected guru granth ji in any shape or form. nothing is wrong if sangat asks for blessings infront of guru ji before the chanda is presented. ek niwas means all is one and thats what guru nanak ji said. please don’t be so mean to ek niwas show some respect.

skangs new zealand

By: Your Humble Servent

Your Humble Servent — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:44:57 +0000

“Eternal Khalsa” my dear friend,

Everyone thinks their way is the best. We can only try our best to sit together and resolve the situation. Unfortunately there are angels and devils amongst us all.

Please do not participate in these immature taunts in anticipation of some kind of reaction. It will not do the volatile situation any favours.

Please let the amicable dialogue between the Ek Niwas leader and the British Sikh community leaders take place and respect the resolve they come up with.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

By: Eternal Khalsa

Eternal Khalsa — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:49:33 +0000

Well, as for the death threats received by the Head of Ek Niwas – those who made the threats should be warned. Nihang Khalsa Ji’s will forever defend those, who without doing any harm to others are receiving such nonsense and threats of harm from other so called ‘Sikhs’ who think that their way is best.

I have been to Ek Niwas and their daily practice is anything but disrespectful.
Disrespect by the way, for those ignorant ‘Sikhs’ out there who want to make threats, comes from ill-intent born in the mind and heart. Not by any outward show or form of worship. Let this be known, for it has been said and written by all the Guru Sahib Ji’s.

Those who cannot reason with their intellect, who cannot love others despite their cultural/religious background, cannot want for peace among humanity…those who simply turn to evil threats and potential force – a message for you guys – God’s eternal army awaits devils like you.

Jo Bole So Nihal
SATSRIAKAL

By: HighCommissioner

HighCommissioner — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:59:46 +0000

Ek Niwas – surprise surprise there is no Koran kept in this place. Wonder why?

Anybody can purchase a copy of the Koran, take it home and place it amongst idols. A Hindu could do this for some warped reason. However to do this in a public place of worship would surely be considered inappropriate. However this is exactly what is happening at Ek Niwas in respect of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Apparently a meeting has been arranged for Tuesday by the local leaders to discuss the issue and hopefully resolve it.

By: Jai

Jai — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 10:45:50 +0000

=>”BUt people tend to get far more murderous when they have religion to aggravate them.”

Only if they can find something in the religion concerned to motivate/justify/excuse their actions, or are able to manipulate (or misinterpret) the principles of the religion correspondingly.

By: mirax

mirax — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:58:23 +0000

>>Ain’t you that journalist person who was on channel 4 news over the behzti episode in Dec ‘04???

Watch out Sunny! Looks like a few angry, brawny sikhs have you in their sights…

By: curious?

curious? — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:42:05 +0000

Sunny,

Ain’t you that journalist person who was on channel 4 news over the behzti episode in Dec ‘04???

By: vijaydeep Singh

vijaydeep Singh — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:21:17 +0000

Gurfateh

In Nirmalas and Udasi orders we may have Idols within the premesis and Guru Granth Sahib Ji along side.

Only thing here is that is it OK in the respect of Idols that scriputres like holy Bible,Holy Kuran,Holy Vedas or Guru Granth Sahib be kept with the idols,which are anyway condemed the same scriptures.

Strange thing over here is that Baba Balak Nath himslef was not an idolworshiper but a Great Yogi worshippinbg formless Nirankar.

There is a possiblity that idol worshipers also get salvation but there seems to be no need to bring contradictions closer.It will do more divisions.

By: Roger

Roger — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:07:02 +0000

The kind of needs and feelings which are met and inspired by religion do seem to make people- or allow people- to be much more likely to want to kill or injure people than they otherwise would be. I’d say that one of the reasons communism, nazism some forms of nationalism are so murderous is because they combine religious exclusionism into their political beliefs. As long as christianity made political as well as religious claims it encouraged people to murder for religio-political reasons.
Agreed, religion can be an excuse as well as a reason for violence, but the end-result is the same. The problem is to find a way for people to get the benefits of religious belief without other people- it’s usually other people- getting the damage caused by it.

By: sonia

sonia — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:57:54 +0000

bottom line – you can kill for anything if you believe in something enough. if you want to call that belief a kind of religion – sure.

By: sonia

sonia — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:56:43 +0000

do they? surely religion is one example of a belief – why fool ourselves that other beliefs are any less dogmatic? communist states for example were ‘against’ religion – they wanted the State to be the people’s ‘religion’ in a sense – it’s hardly as if they were somehow more peaceful because they weren’t religious.

By: Roger

Roger — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:36:34 +0000

BUt people tend to get far more murderous when they have religion to aggravate them.

By: sonia

sonia — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:39:07 +0000

“Religions are always squabbling and fighting internally.”

oh look – and they’re not the only ones! sounds like general human behaviour to me – and certainly very eerily similar to the game of politics.

By: sonia

sonia — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:37:45 +0000

he’s not very clever either! -( or taking the piss!) as it sounds like he’s picked his ‘anti-this and anti-that without thinking much about the relationship between them. a ‘minimal state’ that goes about doing all the things he wants it to…well it must be very busy is all i can say.

By: Katy Newton

Katy Newton — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:02:49 +0000

“I’m anti-abortion, pro-marriage, against multiculturalism and a loyal patriot; I’m pro-capitalist, pro-globalisation, anti-Communist, anti-immigration, and a vehement supporter of the minimal state. More controversially, I support the death penalty (insofar as there are strong independent juries and an unrestricted press), flogging in schools (today’s kids have no discipline), enforced castration for serial rapists, and long-term prison sentences for murderers and irresponsible drivers (Prince Naz, in my opinion, should have been jailed for at least five years).”

Oh, Amir, and I thought you were so cuddly.

By: Your Humble Servent

Your Humble Servent — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:52:18 +0000

Sunny,

In your eyes was Guru Gobind Singh (10th living Guru of the Sikhs) a twat for bowing in front of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and proclaiming a “book”(as you put it) as an eternal Guru to the Sikhs?

You enjoy spreading rumours and lies about current sensitive Sikh issues in the UK. As a supposed journalist you do not contact any Sikh bodies/groups to get their version of events. Instead you seem to have your own agenda to discredit any religious groups as backward & stupid.

These “Granth Sahib twats”, as you call them, can be contacted on sikhalerts@yahoo.co.uk. The Ek Niwas issue is being dealt with by a newly formed committee of elder British Sikhs who are in dialogue with local councillors, the police and MPs to help resolve the matter.

I wish you all the success as a journalist, however please attempt to portray both sides of the story.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

By: mirax

mirax — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:01:37 +0000

Wow, the khalsa brigade has arrived!

By: HighCommissioner

HighCommissioner — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:13:24 +0000

Sunny you are being a bit unfair.

The Sikh and Ek niwas issue has been going on for a year at least. Negotiations have taken place but the Baba of Ek Niwas refuses to remove the Guru Granth Sahib.

It is like placing the Koran in a Hindu temple, or a the Bible in a mosque.

If people want to worship idols, fine, but why bring other religions into it. By having the Guru Granth Sahib Ji in the mandir, Sikhism is being associated with worship of idols, which it absolutely rejects.
Not only that, established Sikh prayers, such as the ardas, have been altered in order to incorporate the views/beliefs of Ek Niwas. It is like having a centuries old Christian or Islamic prayer being altered.

The ironic thing is that the congregation of this mandir pay their respects to the Guru Granth Sahib Ji by bowing before it. Then they proceed to do the exact things that the Guru Granth Sahib Ji rejects – idol worship. When you ask them why they do this, they do not seem to reply.

Re bowing to the Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
The Guru Granth Sahib Ji was itself bowed to by the last human Guru. So, the Sikhs are just following his instruction.

By: Singh

Singh — Wed, 31 May 2006 16:31:42 +0000

Sunny,

You refer to the people rightfully concerned as ‘idiots’
Have you ever heard of ‘Guru Maniyo Granth’ or ever considered why Guru comes before Granth Sahib.?
Ever heard of Reht Maryada.?
Ever heard of Guru Khalsa?
Please think before making comments out of shere ignorance