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    Good video of Birmingham mass-brawl


    by Sunny on 13th August, 2009 at 2:46 AM    


    Made by Jason Parkinson, who says:

    This time, as the video shows, the EDL members that avoided being “kettled” by police went straight for the anti-fascist protest, goaded the Birmingham youth, then got beaten and chased out of town. 35 people were arrested and three people were injured.

    The video is shot really well and much better than anything on YouTube. Shows to me there wasn’t a big brawl really, just mostly some EDL twats looking for a fight running away as soon as they got chased. One runs off shouting ‘dirty pakis’ in the video. This kind of raw journalism is way better than even the national broadcasters.


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    1. Laban Tall — on 13th August, 2009 at 6:57 AM  

      On the other hand there were some big “brawls” later, as young people who’d come into town for the evening were surrounded by gangs, beaten and robbed of wallets, mobiles etc.

      You might also want to read this letter to the Birmingham Post.

    2. Brum Lad — on 13th August, 2009 at 8:40 AM  

      What’s your take on all of this Sunny?

      I for one am glad to finally see the police use some force against these white racist thugs. I was starting to think they only got out their daysticks for lefties and/or brown people.

      Those EDL/casual wankers are scum of the highest order. There should be a law that the police take an especially brutal approach to them, even if many of them agree with the EDL, vote BNP, have no problem with BNP leaders marching at the head of their protests etc.

      Smash the Nazi scum, then smash the pigs. Word.

    3. Praguetory — on 13th August, 2009 at 9:49 AM  

      This is the version of events that I had previously described to you. In the Guardian you said it was a mass brawl. The thing about this footage is that it follows the ‘leading edge’ of the riots (not the muggings and attacks on white shoppers) that followed on roads like Corporation Street and Cherry Street that had been ‘cleared’ of white troublemakers.

      I agree it’s well shot and gives a more detailed picture than previous footage (NB - I can’t get any sound), but it’s interesting what’s missed out. For example, just before the final scene where the police charge in all three directions at the bottom of Temple Row where it meets New Street, BenAbbott’s final youtube captured the windows in the Trocadero pub getting kicked in by a large gang and a barmaid who worked there at the time corroborated that this was mindless violence. Judging by his footage, Parkinson would have had to pass that pub (it’s only 50m from the junction anyway). Strange how he ignores that.

    4. dave bones — on 13th August, 2009 at 11:06 AM  

      ha ha Parkinson really is the master of riot isn’t he. Nice to see Birmingham again, I used to busk in some of those streets twenty years ago. It made me laugh seeing them presented in such a chaotic run through.

    5. Leon — on 13th August, 2009 at 11:12 AM  

      Heh watching the fash get set upon by the Babylon is a sweet image indeed!

    6. Shatterface — on 13th August, 2009 at 11:12 AM  

      I’ve seen Ewoks vs Predator on YouTube. That’s better.

      ‘I for one am glad to finally see the police use some force against these white racist thugs. I was starting to think they only got out their daysticks for lefties and/or brown people.’

      I don’t think making the police indiscriminately violent is much of an improvement on discriminatively violent.

    7. MC Boris — on 13th August, 2009 at 11:21 AM  

      Why are a number of the anti-fascist protesters shouting “allah akbar”?

    8. zaffer — on 13th August, 2009 at 12:26 PM  

      “Why are a number of the anti-fascist protesters shouting “allah akbar”?”- because idotic nazi’s get turned by that ( closet muslims i believe)

    9. Arshad — on 13th August, 2009 at 1:57 PM  

      MC Boris

      Why are a number of the anti-fascist protesters shouting “Allah akbar”?”

      Why not? It’s a great slogan of resistance. It is after all the slogan of the Iranian protestors against the Ahmedinajad government

    10. London Muslim — on 13th August, 2009 at 2:07 PM  

      it’s what I say every day

    11. MC Boris — on 13th August, 2009 at 2:33 PM  

      Fair points all.

      However it doesn’t strike me as a slogan that is particularly going to help bridge divisions between faith communities - particularly in the context of opposing white fascist who are telling people that Birmingham is being “Islamised”.

    12. Dalbir — on 13th August, 2009 at 2:48 PM  

      I hope that this puts to rest the notion that this involved only innocent angelic white people being attacked by swarms of darkies. Also highlights what a bunch of cunts The Daily Mail are with their selective portrayal earlier this week.

      Good find Sunny.

      Leon@5 - Yep, its almost poetical.

    13. MC — on 13th August, 2009 at 3:02 PM  

      ‘Better than even the national broadcasters’.

      ‘Even’? I must have blinked and missed all those news reports on the BBC & co exposing the far-right for what they are. All I saw were lies about ‘race riots’ and keeping up the pretence that these twats really were protesting about ‘Islamic fundamentalism’.

      Must also have dreamt about the time Nicky Campbell congratulated Brons on his election victory, and the headline ‘BNP no longer wants all-white Britain’, and all those platforms given to the BNP to spread their lies, unchallenged.

      Such comfort to have national broadcasters who take a lead in the fight against fascism.. er, not.

    14. Arshad — on 13th August, 2009 at 3:03 PM  

      MC Boris

      Fair points all.

      However it doesn’t strike me as a slogan that is particularly going to help bridge divisions between faith communities – particularly in the context of opposing white fascist who are telling people that Birmingham is being “Islamised”.

      This is very true. Ive been on protests related to Muslim countries (Palestine,Iraq) and found its use by Muslims unnecessary and divise since there are many non-Muslims making common cause on these issues. (I think Sunny wrote an article on this). Im Muslim myself.

      In this context it might work as a symbol of defiance to say “we are here and are staying here: deal with it”

    15. Arshad — on 13th August, 2009 at 3:05 PM  

      MC

      Must also have dreamt about the time Nicky Campbell congratulated Brons on his election victory

      Campbell is an appaling Islamophobe;if you listen to his Radio 5 programme he brings in attacks on Muslims/Islam even when its not directly related to the subject.

    16. Just Lisa — on 13th August, 2009 at 3:54 PM  

      I don’t think it shows much journalist integrity to refer to people as ‘twats’. Yes, they’re bad, but it could be phrased differently

    17. damon — on 13th August, 2009 at 4:04 PM  

      Arshad, Campbell is not an appaling Islamophobe.

      His programmes may be boring and pedestrian, but you really have to say more for me to think otherwise of him.

      And I don’t think that ”Allah akbar” shouted by some daft lads in Birmingham (in this particular situation) needs to be given the excuse of it being a cry of resistance (like in Iran or something).

      It’s a silly thing to be saying in this situation, in my opinion. (But no big deal - they’re only teenagers).

      I still think this has been an overreaction to a bunch of thick white people.

      The ”Allah akbar” shouts to me are about the same level as ”we want or country back”.
      Best to pretend you never heard them.

      Or on the other hand, we could get really worked up and start throwing bricks and botles about the place, and causing people to suffer injuries that need to be treated in hospital.

      Throwing missiles at people sucks. (Bricks, bottles stones, whatever). It’s cowardly and inhumane.

      Salma Yacoub (from what I’ve seen) loves a bit of drama.
      This shouldn’t be the big deal its being made out to be.
      There were only a couple of dozen of these so-called ”Nazis”.

    18. Just Lisa — on 13th August, 2009 at 4:13 PM  

      There are no saints in this video. The most unpleasant bit was seeing the group of black boys kicking the white guy on the floor. Granted, he may hold repugnant views, but a group kicking one defenceless man on the floor is disgusting and intolerable.

    19. Dalbir — on 13th August, 2009 at 4:33 PM  

      Granted, he may hold repugnant views, but a group kicking one defenceless man on the floor is disgusting and intolerable.

      That is the type of behaviour asians had to put up with regularly not long ago. Do you think those white yobbos wouldn’t have done the same if they had encountered some ‘paki’ in a quiet side street during their “protest”?

      Wake up!

    20. Just Lisa — on 13th August, 2009 at 4:42 PM  

      I’m quite awake, thank you.

      And sorry to quote a cliche, but two wrongs don’t make a right.

      Kicking people on the floor is wrong, regardless of ethnicity. I’m sure you agree with that.

    21. Dalbir — on 13th August, 2009 at 5:01 PM  

      I do. But a really naive part of me likes to think that the guy on the floor may reflect on that situation later, in his quiet moments, and just maybe….maybe….realise what a dick he is.

      Eternal optimism. It’s just the way I am.

    22. Just Lisa — on 13th August, 2009 at 5:04 PM  

      good for you :) i hope so too

    23. MC — on 13th August, 2009 at 5:08 PM  

      Nicky Campbell clearly does hold Islamophobic views. Watch his show on a Sunday morning if you need proof - you can catch them on the BBC website too. In particular the debate on Israel, and the show where he gave a platform to Griffin and Brons and allowed them to pretend they were champions of free speech.

      The man is extremely reactionary and espouses tabloid type views - he treats fascists with respect while frothing at the mouth at anything to do with Islam. In other words, he is perfectly suited to the BBC.

    24. MC — on 13th August, 2009 at 5:11 PM  

      (actually, on reading damon’s post in full, seems he also has a bit of an issue about Islam, while not being very bothered about racist thugs)

    25. Dalbir — on 13th August, 2009 at 5:27 PM  

      The man is extremely reactionary and espouses tabloid type views – he treats fascists with respect while frothing at the mouth at anything to do with Islam. In other words, he is perfectly suited to the BBC.

      What chance is there when such an org such as the BBC behaves this way? Let’s be honest though, historically the beeb fulfilled a role as a propaganda machine for those strange sounding, suited and booted white men who seemed to have broomsticks shoved up their arses….don’tcha know old chap.

      I blame these types of tossers for much of the misery in the globe and for peddling their orientalist bullshit. They are still at it - the bastards.

    26. damon — on 13th August, 2009 at 5:58 PM  

      The man is extremely reactionary and espouses tabloid type views – he treats fascists with respect while frothing at the mouth at anything to do with Islam.

      ”Frothing at the mouth” is one way of putting it.

      Hopefully you’re not too representative of opinions within the anti-racist camp.
      Otherwise we’re getting into school kid stuff.

      My school had a punch up with our nearest school in about 1978. Is MC’s point of view as to why it’s OK to throw missiles about a city center any more justified than our juvenile fisticuffs was back then?

      And ”the Nazis” thing wears a bit thin.
      Real Nazis would have made mincemeat of this whole UAF demo and the police too.

    27. MC — on 13th August, 2009 at 6:18 PM  

      Damon, you’re clearly a very dedicated anti-racist aren’t you! crawl back to the BNP forum now, there’s a good boy.. :D

    28. davebones — on 13th August, 2009 at 6:58 PM  

      I don’t find the BBC to be so bad. I worry that casual types will see this video and real race riots could take place. I don’t want things to go back to the 70s. I dont think they will but I worry.

    29. London Muslim — on 13th August, 2009 at 9:07 PM  

      If you dont like the BBC try the Islam Channel

    30. Clairwil — on 13th August, 2009 at 9:14 PM  

      @Dalbir,

      ‘ a really naive part of me likes to think that the guy on the floor may reflect on that situation later, in his quiet moments, and just maybe….maybe….realise what a dick he is.’

      I’d like to think so too but unfortunately I imagine it’s more likely to fuel his sense of grievance and sadly lead to someone black or brown somewhere getting an almighty kicking.

      The EDL wanted a violent reaction so they could boo hoo about about being oppressed. Satisfying as it is to see them run, I’m not convinced that giving them what they want is the way to go.

    31. damon — on 13th August, 2009 at 9:41 PM  

      MC’s juvenile response I think shows the shortcomings and inherent dangers of this ”fight them on the streets” approach.

      ”You BNP?” (bash, kick) is something that did probably did happen in Birmingham as all these people were running about the place.

      It’s great as a feelgood factor to feel like you’ve routed the Nazis like you heard about previous generations did in Southall etc, but remember that it’s probably pretty exciteable kids like MC that are doing it.

    32. Brownie — on 14th August, 2009 at 2:50 PM  

      This time, as the video shows, the EDL members that avoided being “kettled” by police went straight for the anti-fascist protest, goaded the Birmingham youth

      Well I’ve watched this three times and it’s doesn’t show anything as clearly as this comentary pretends. What I do see is a load machismo bullshit from both sides and, if anything, I’d say most of the violence is provoked by the anti-Fascist demonstrators.

      But as this EDL/Casuals United mob are just a bunch of mostly racist fooball hoolies who are past their best, I couldn’t give a rat’s ass how many of them get a pounding.

    33. Mostaque — on 15th August, 2009 at 6:33 AM  

      Someone asked me naively/defensively/almost accusatorily to prove the links between MI-5 and far-right groups and agitators. In normal social interactions and conversations “proving” all your assertions is not necessary….its is merely a perspective, an opinion on an issue……whether believed or otherwise. Conversation would be very stale if we had to reference all our points of view.

      It is taken as given for those who belong to activist progressive class, and who are sufficiently informed that there are clear linkages between MI-5 and the far right in the UK.

      Identifying this linkage is very important in understanding the dynamics of British politics…….and the underlying motivations around such extremist events.

    34. Mostaque — on 17th August, 2009 at 12:11 PM  

      MI-5 and the far-right:

      From: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5060

      As a result of information acquired by the BBC under the Freedom of Information Act MI5 were using undercover agents to spy on the Anti-Apartheid Movement in the 1980s. This information only adds to the evidence that the MI5 has always been under the control of the far right.

      This has been true since 1907 when Major Vernon Kell become Director of the Home Section of the Secret Service Bureau with responsibility for investigating espionage, sabotage and subversion within and outside Britain. Later the organisation became known as Military Intelligence (MI5). Kell and his men exclusively targeted left-wing activists.

      By 1918 MI5 had files on 137,500 individuals. This included trade unionists, members of the Independent Labour Party and those who had campaigned for peace negotiations during the First World War.

      In October 1924 the MI5 intercepted a letter written by Grigory Zinoviev, chairman of the Comintern in the Soviet Union. This investigation eventually became known as the Zinoviev Letter Scandal. Zinoviev’s letter urged British communists to promote revolution through acts of sedition. After consulting Basil Thomson at Special Branch, Kell showed the letter to Ramsay MacDonald, the Labour Prime Minister. Kell told MacDonald that MI5 and the Special Branch were convinced the letter was genuine.

      It was agreed that the letter should be kept secret but someone leaked news of the letter to The Times and the Daily Mail. The letter was published in these newspapers four days before the 1924 General Election and contributed to the defeat of Ramsay MacDonald and the Labour Party. After the election it was claimed that two of MI5’s agents, Sidney Reilly and Arthur Maundy Gregory, had forged the letter and had been involved in leaking it to the press.

      This did not stop the Labour Party being elected to power five years later. This time MI5 used a different strategy for dealing with the growth in socialism. It is the same strategy they have used ever since. You “turn” the leaders of the labour movement. Ramsay MacDonald was only the first leader turned in this way. Others, like Tony Blair, were recruited early in their political career.

      In 1925 Vernon Kell appointed Maxwell Knight as Director of Intelligence of the British Fascists (BF). Knight played a significant role in helping to defeat the General Strike in 1926 and by the early 1930s was placed in charge of B5b, a unit that conducted the monitoring of political subversion.

      The vast majority of Knight’s agents were part-time. Knight recruited a large number of his agents from right-wing political organizations such as the Nordic League, British Union of Fascists and the Right Club. This included William Allen and William Joyce who was later to become known as Lord Haw Haw in Nazi Germany.

      The KGB used this against MI5 by getting their agents such as Kim Philby and Guy Burgess to join right-wing organizations that were working with Maxwell Knight. They were recruited as neo-fascists when in reality they were devout communists.

      http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWm5.htm

    35. Mostaque — on 17th August, 2009 at 12:56 PM  

      You don’t have to trudge the history books of Brum Central Library (A most excellent library for research and study), to get an understanding of the subject.

      You grow up in the UK, and you come across skin heads and their type. If you are reasonably perceptive you grasp who they are and what they are in the scheme of things, as a reasonably informed Asian growing up in Britain. Your awareness of the subject heightens when you inadvertently cross paths with British security. Of course it doesn’t automatically make you an expert on the subject, BUT YOU KNOW,…..then you talk with other people, lecturers, social activists, and fellow students…..you witness their activity at university…beating up Asian students etc(1994/5 UCE)…and you gain more first hand knowledge of the area.

      Then you visit the CRE as it was known then in 1998 in Alpha Tower, and go out to dinner with them, and they fill you in on more inside information of what was going on, and paper cuttings of interesting events and so forth. No startling facts, all taken as matter of fact because you are desensitized to such things, and in the scheme of things you have bigger issues to worry about.

      Never an area that I really focused on, but any certified activist leftie (of which I am not)should know of the linkages between MI-5 and the British Far right Movement, and if you do not know, then you know nothing about the leftie movement and its multiple challenges in the 21st century. Western politics has fundamentally shifted to the right, and lefties are struggle to “accommodate” this fundamental shift……..and that this fundamental shift is headed by the dynamics and perceived interests of Israeli politics, and the necessary awkwardness the significant number of Jewish lefties feel in realigning themselves with the perspectives of Israel….Does one follow the tribe? Or ones ideology? Difficult stuff for many I imagine.

      MI-5_____BNP,NF,Combat 18,EDL

      German intelligence__________Neo-fascists, NDP.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany

      SISMI__________Forza Nouva http://kirkunity.blogspot.com/2009/08/convicted-italian-fascist-roberto-fiore.html

      MIT_____________Grey Wolves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves

      ISI_____________Do you really need references here!!!

      RAW_____________Siv Sena/RSS.

      VEVAK___________Basij (they carry chains and knives, and attack decent Iranian citizens who dare to protest about any government policies…..like the above they attack ordinary citizens who criticize the government,….except they have beards, some of them…..impressionable village boy youths with not much education, but a lot of ideology, and pent up anger….works closely with the Revolutionary Guard)

      By posting these I do not say that this is the norm we live in and we must accept this linkage, as the norm. No why should we…..we must expect better…..but for those who are naive this is the reality of our present situation, and it allows us to look at the situation from a more realistic perspective….the mask at the ball is taken off.

    36. Mostaque — on 17th August, 2009 at 1:10 PM  

      So why the riots now in BRUMa nd other places………….the culmination of a natural process? What natural process? The economic meltdown maybe, and people feeling the effects of the recession, or just angry young men venting their feelings against the obvious targets?

      As alluded such anti-social events rarely happen by themselves, spontaneously, but must be observed in the context of other forces within the state structure, and motivations of the power elite. This can be observed in the context of the 1970’s, and the activities of the far right then.

      (i) Is all this to get the Tories reelected….1974-79 redux, or April 2001 Oldham just before the elections. The Tories are 18 points ahead, so do they really need further “assistance” in such an area, in this manner. Maybe somebody wants to make sure they win the next elections……based on a Sarkozy election strategy. It worked for him.

      (ii) Possibly now that the economy is going pear shaped, the net result of that will be a lot of angry people asking questions as to who, how, why, what, when…….etc, and the BANKERS in “The City” don’t want to be the obvious answer to all those questions, as to why Britain is in such a mess. The Circus of Brum provides an useful distraction to their failure and greed. The ordinary people of Britain will be less focused in asking why they are having to bail out the bankers.

      (iii) The Blood sacrifice of Iraqis and the Afghan Heroin is profitable for “The City” ……….the Opium and Heroin trades association with “The City” goes back 250 years to the East India company, where Opium was harvested in India and exported to China if you remember your history. The British forces are in Afghanistan purely and simply to ensure that the Heroin is properly shipped to the British shores.

      ………………………to import massive amounts of narcotics in a country LIKE BRITAIN,AN ISLAND, AND A TOP NOTCH SECURITY STATE, you require the COOPERATION of port authorities, HM Customs & Excise, the police naturally and the intelligence services, part of whose job is to combat organized crime and narcotics……….once you grasp that the world does not always operate along the standards set by Pollyanna, then you can begin to get a better picture who are the true criminals in British and international society, and what motivates and who motivates actual state policy in such theaters such as Afghanistan, and how they add to their mass criminal deeds, in order to bolster earlier ones.

      Article by former ambassador Craig Murray:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-469983/Britain-protecting-biggest-heroin-crop-time.html

      http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2848dope_money.html

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5514

      http://spoonfeedin.blogspot.com/2008/06/opium-financed-british-rule-in-india.html
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3294

      The war is unpopular in the UK naturally. Normal people are peace loving……………..people thrive and naturally develop where there is peace, and society follows the rule of law. That is how civilization progresses. But for a few criminal elements the inverse of this is true……the rule of law should be ignored, there must be war to act as cover for their illegal operations; People must apprehend fear and cower under their designated security; people must fight 50 year wars for their country, “We fight the “bad” guys over there so that we don’t have to fight them over here”……..but wait some of the “bad guys” are already here, and so we fight them in our shores………and presumably that is the underlying narrative of the recent riots, the “enemy within” must be fought, and don’t think too much or ask too many questions about anything else; stand in line; stand behind our brave lads.

      Ordinary people and some soldiers are already questioning the real validity of the war, especially in Afghanistan running for 8 years now, propping up a corrupt and ineffective narco-state. So the unpopular war must be bolstered in its support….it requires more canon fodder of poor unquestioning white unemployed working class lads, correctly wound up, to join the ranks of the British army to fight for the Heroin business. Can there be a more noble cause?

    37. Refresh — on 18th August, 2009 at 3:53 AM  

      See here:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW_DlW5j6U4

      It worked before. Shame that dimwit David Blunkett couldn’t have see it.

    38. simpleton — on 19th August, 2009 at 10:33 PM  

      @ Dalbir #19
      Thats exactly what happened in Luton.

    39. wos — on 2nd September, 2009 at 2:40 PM  

      These are the birthing pains of a seriously ugly war emerging, it is consistent and growing. There are so many racist attacks on white people that are not being reported on, good and tolerant people are turning.
      The shift of power in the wrong direction will easily trigger a massively ugly reaction, as it was in Germany at the start of world war 2.
      I may have to leave soon and go to my ancestors land of Ireland because my wife is Asian and kids mixed race.
      War is ugly and vile and is coming close to an inevitability, it will be too late then to stop violating the decent people of these lands indigenous and foreign alike.



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