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  • Nazis: uniting Asians and blacks from day one


    by Sunny
    10th August, 2009 at 6:25 pm    

    The Times reports:

    A rightwing group which promised a summer of peaceful demonstrations against British Islamic extremists was in disarray today after its first significant protest ended in violence and 35 arrests. The English Defence League staged a march near the Bullring shopping centre in Birmingham this weekend but its small band of supporters was drastically outnumbered by anti-fascist campaigners and riot police. The protest ended in violent skirmishes and running battles through the city’s busy shopping streets on Saturday evening.

    Members of the League resorted to bitter in-fighting today as supporters labelled the organisers “ridiculous” and the event a “shambles”.

    Oh dear. Well I’m not going to shed any tears for the fascists that got their heads kicked in, but I will say that Unite Against Fascism have to be very careful to ensure that their counter-protests don’t get infiltrated by gangs. If innocent by-standers get hurt that will only end up helping the fascists.

    I have no problem with anti-fascists organising themselves and reclaiming the streets for everyone. Don’t let the racist scum dominate the streets and take over the streets with fear. But they need to be very careful and be in control otherwise the tide of opinion could turn against them very quickly.

    UAF have also called a demonstration against Richard Barnbrook on Wednesday afternoon.


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    1. pickles

      New blog post: Nazis: uniting Asians and blacks from day one http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/5481


    2. Multiculturality

      Shocked by the comments following this post on #pickledpolitics: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/5481


    3. Hugo Pickering

      Pickled Politics » Nazis: uniting Asians and blacks from day one http://bit.ly/ZCmrE




    1. Dawn Baker — on 10th August, 2009 at 6:34 pm  

      From the photos that I saw, it was Unite Against Fascism that was inciting in most of the violence. Legal organisation, especially those funded by government will lose their funding if they continually allow extremists to infiltrate. They will be seen as no better than the groups they demonstrate against.

    2. Sunny — on 10th August, 2009 at 6:40 pm  

      From the photos that I saw, it was Unite Against Fascism that was inciting in most of the violence.

      Yeah, like some photos from the Daily Mail will really give you a balanced picture.

    3. marvin — on 10th August, 2009 at 6:46 pm  

      Well at least you acknowledge the dangers of street violence - innocents get hurt.

      I have no problem with anti-fascists organising themselves and reclaiming the streets for everyone

      Reclaiming the streets? Who owns the streets? It’s certainly not a tiny band of drunken white football hooligans. Grrrr. I does annoy me when the people romanticise these things and project them on situations that bare little resemblance to the modern world. Down with Thatcher! Etc.

      Creating a violent, hostile atmosphere will mean innocent white, asian and black people will be targeted by haters.

    4. marvin — on 10th August, 2009 at 6:48 pm  

      Can you find any pictures of asians or black getting beaten up Sunny?

      I haven’t seen any, yet, but maybe it is like you say a conspiracy by the Daily Mail to show only asians beating white people. I’m sure if they had it, they’d suppress it…Right?!

    5. London Muslim — on 10th August, 2009 at 7:35 pm  

      why would you want to see pictures of “Asians or black” being beaten up?

    6. marvin — on 10th August, 2009 at 7:49 pm  

      Because, it appears, that all the victims of the violence were all white (some innocent some not so much), yet people the implication was that these white drunken yobs were attacking people of ethnic origin. From reports, pictures and videos, so far I have found this to be untruthful.

      Sunny thinks the Daily Mail are suppressing the truth. Do you think that too “London Muslim”?

    7. Miriam Binder — on 10th August, 2009 at 8:15 pm  

      Personally I don’t think it is advisable to protest against a march by these ‘soft boiled’ fascists … best just let them get on with it and provided they don’t get the reaction they are counting on, you’ll see how soon they find some excuse to rant and rail.

    8. apple — on 10th August, 2009 at 8:24 pm  

      Marvin

      Sunny thinks the Daily Mail are suppressing the truth. Do you think that too “London Muslim”?

      The Daily Mail not printing the whole/supressing the truth?

      Never

    9. Marcus — on 10th August, 2009 at 8:27 pm  

      Blood on the streets, who would of predicted that!

    10. London Muslim — on 10th August, 2009 at 8:37 pm  

      Marvin,

      It’s simple.

      Fascists organise a march.
      Anti Fascists organise a counter demo.
      The two dont get along
      Fascists come off the worse.
      Fine with me.
      What about you?

    11. Don — on 10th August, 2009 at 8:44 pm  

      Not fine if they were infiltrated by a group intent on kicking off for their own agenda.

    12. marvin — on 10th August, 2009 at 8:47 pm  

      Great,

      Muslim extremists organise a march
      Anti muslim extremists organise a counter demo
      The two dont get along
      Muslim extremists come off the worse
      Fine with me.
      What about you?

      I’ll just ignore the Muslim who got caught up in it, lying limp on the pavement beaten and robbed by random white thugs, ok ;)

      Jolly good. I hope you understand. The fight is against Muslim extremists, you see ;) Smash their heads in! Who cares!

    13. London Muslim — on 10th August, 2009 at 9:27 pm  

      sorry for delay popped out 4 a curry

      Don - Agree

      Marvin - point you appear to be making (correct me If I’m wrong) is that “innocent” bystanders appear to have been caught up in the melee?

      Well, it goes without saying that has to be regretted ie families out shopping on a weekend etc.

      However, from a Daily Mail picture how can you tell someone “got caught up in it” rather eg singing “Allah is a Christian, or ” we want our country back”……

    14. marvin — on 10th August, 2009 at 10:05 pm  

      “Allah is a Christian, or ” we want our country back”……

      It’s hardly “Behead those who insult England” is it?…

      Anyho, if it makes you angry you can shout back if you want. Slitting his throat in retaliation or attacking him with a hammer, however, would make you a murderer.

      Violent atmosphere, mob rule, innocent people will get seriously hurt, maybe dead. You want dead asians, blacks and whites on the streets? Then stop bigging up this shit people.

      It seems innocent bystanders got seriously beaten look at this guy.

    15. Jag — on 10th August, 2009 at 11:10 pm  

      Can you find any pictures of asians or black getting beaten up Sunny?

      Innocent Asians had the shit kicked out of them by the same people in Luton last month. Not that you’d give a shit.

    16. Sunny — on 10th August, 2009 at 11:12 pm  

      Daily Mail bullshitting about the truth or churning out crap? Never!

    17. Just Lisa — on 10th August, 2009 at 11:39 pm  

      UAF are thugs, in the same way that BNP, NF etc are.

      They just have a different political agenda.

      BNP and NF are homophobic racist etc… UAF are sanctimonious Marxist self-righteous bullies

    18. Sleuth — on 11th August, 2009 at 12:41 am  

      ‘Uniting Asians and blacks from day one’

      Difficult balancing act, especially after what happened last time they ‘united’

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Birmingham_race_riots

      Who reclaimed the streets for everyone that day?

    19. Sunny — on 11th August, 2009 at 1:12 am  

      That’s what I had in mind when writing the headline.

      The only time these days you can unite blacks and Asians is against the BNP and assorted nazis.

    20. damon — on 11th August, 2009 at 1:52 am  

      Those nazi’s still causing trouble? They must all be in their 80′s by now.
      Feckin’ Krauts.

    21. Just Lisa — on 11th August, 2009 at 2:27 am  

      Krauts hey? Sounds like racism to me.

      Oh wait, that’s a racial slur against white people by and large isn’t it? Oh, that’s fine. Carry on. My bad.

    22. Vikrant — on 11th August, 2009 at 6:50 am  

      I think marvin has a point… Plus the the title of this post is troubling… shouldnt it be “Nazis: Uniting sensible people from day one”? or suchlike?…

    23. Lee Barnes — on 11th August, 2009 at 11:48 am  

      Good to see pickled politics acting as apologists for muslim thugs and Leftist thugs attacking innocent white people.

      Typical of the scum on this site to say that the images of mobs of muslim and black thugs attempting to kill innocent people whilst being cheered on by white members of the SWP / UAF was a Daily Mail lie.

      Never get a lie get in the way of the truth eh you vile fucking little shits.

      The UAF are nothing more than a proxy for the security services as their role is to incite blacks, asians and muslims into violence so the media can then photograph the thugs attacking people - and therefore their existence justifies the security state.

      The ‘united black and asian’ people at that riot are now seen by the ‘united white people’ as thugs, rioters, criminals and racist attackers against whites and free speech - job done for the UAF.

      The UAF have been triggering riots in this country in Muslim areas since Oldham and Burnley in 2001 and you saps still fall for their bullshit.

      All that the riot on Birmingham has done is reaffirm in the eyes of the white majority that muslims cannot tolerate free speech, they are racist thugs, that whites cannot go into Birmingham without fear of being attacked by asians and blacks who were all shown in the papers attacking white people - which is what happened.

      Fuck me, you people are dumb as shit.

    24. pounce — on 11th August, 2009 at 11:53 am  

      Jag wrote;
      “Innocent Asians had the shit kicked out of them by the same people in Luton last month. Not that you’d give a shit.”

      You mean this story Jag;
      “AN ISLAMIC extremist who hurled abuse at Britain’s home-coming troops has been beaten up by fellow Muslims.Sayful Islam was set upon by moderates who say his controversial beliefs are making their lives hell.”

    25. 5cc — on 11th August, 2009 at 12:54 pm  

      @Lee Barnes:

      Normally, if I try to engage with someone supporting the BNP I try to be a little bit civil at first (BNP supporters don’t often keep things civil though) and address what they’ve said properly, but this:

      “The UAF are nothing more than a proxy for the security services as their role is to incite blacks, asians and muslims into violence so the media can then photograph the thugs attacking people – and therefore their existence justifies the security state.”

      is on a par with “the Royal Family are lizard aliens sucking the blood of babies in a bunker underneath Buckingham Palace”. Your own guidelines say to lay off the strange conspiracy theories because they make you look like a bunch of weirdies to normal people.

      The guidelines seem to be dead right in this regard at least.

    26. Don — on 11th August, 2009 at 1:05 pm  

      Lee,

      You should have a word with Mostaque. He’s very well informed about security services conspiracies and can point to some interesting resources.

    27. Jai — on 11th August, 2009 at 2:34 pm  

      Never get a lie get in the way of the truth eh you vile fucking little shits.

      Unlike, for example, your recent lie that “many Indians fought on the side of the Axis powers during World War 2″ in response to eGov’s questions, I presume.

      In reality, only approx. 40,000 Indian soldiers joined the Axis powers, out of a total of 2.54 million Indian soldiers involved in the war as a whole.

      Which means that 98.4% of Indian soldiers volunteered to fight on the side of the Allies.

      1.6% joining the Axis powers does not exactly constitute “many”.

      And that’s just one random example out of dozens of others where you were either unable to provide accurate, well-informed responses or you deliberately engaged in deflection, obfuscation, irrelevant opportunistic propaganda and misinformation.

      But it’s good that you’ve graced this blog with your august presence today. Considering that this is a website which is globally accessible to anyone who has unrestricted access to the internet, it is extremely beneficial for the whole world to see the staggering lack of professionalism, decorum and self-awareness exhibited by a senior representative of the BNP, a party which is apparently seeking election via democratic means to Britain’s highest political office.

      As a matter for the public record.

    28. Jai — on 11th August, 2009 at 6:01 pm  

      Lee,

      Unless you are intent on humiliating yourself and the BNP even further, it would probably be in your own best interests to exercise whatever remains of your sense of self-respect and self-preservation and desist from submitting verbally abusive comments on this blog. Assuming that repeatedly swearing at members of the electorate across the internet isn’t actually a facet of the BNP leadership’s campaign strategy and an activity condoned by Nick Griffin, of course.

      And for someone who claims to be so implacably opposed to Muslims…..whether you realise it or not, you have far more in common with Anjem Choudary himself and his cohorts at Al-Muhajiroun than the vast majority of ordinary Muslims actually do — whether it’s in relation to your aspirations, your worldview, your attitude & behaviour towards those you consider as “The Other”, your hostility to what you term “American cultural imperialism” and “the Zionist regime of Israel”, your grievance-driven claims of persecuted victimhood, or your unsolicited, unilateral, false claims to speak for, represent, and act in the best interests of “the majority” of “your” people. You’re the very thing you hate the most. Congratulations.

      But then we would expect nothing less from an advocate of proposed policies which would directly result in South African-style apartheid in Britain and the type of society which constituted pre-Civil Rights racially-segregated America. Your very own version of the most extreme hardline “believer” vs. “dhimmi”/”kaffir” dichotomy espoused by fanatical groups such as the Taliban.

      Incidentally, I wonder what an appropriate team of lawyers would make of the various claims & allegations you have made in #23 along with the multiple claims you made in your responses to eGov’s recent lists of questions to the BNP. Not to mention the fact that eGov has recently been receiving multiple threatening phone calls from supporters of the BNP. As someone who ostentatiously likes to include the term “LLB (Hons)” after his name at every convenient opportunity, presumably you will appreciate the ramifications.

      And that’s before we even address the matter of a suitably-qualified medical professional formally assessing your behaviour, views and ideas, particularly in relation to non-white people, based on your remarks on this website today, your responses to eGov, and your writings on your own blog; perhaps you should show all this to your GP and see what the subsequent response is. If you genuinely have the courage of your convictions then presumably you should have absolutely nothing to worry about.

      Of course, if you believe that this would constitute yet more examples of “persecution” and any successful criminal prosecution or medical intervention would result in you becoming a “celebrated martyr for the cause” amongst your fellow ideologues, then that reinforces your similarity to Anjem Choudary and his misbegotten allies even further.

      And that is why the BNP will never win a national election in this country, and why you personally will ultimately have wasted your entire life, with absolutely nothing to show for it except for the privilege of being able to use the term “LLB (Hons)” after your name. I’m sure your parents were extremely proud when you when you were awarded your degree and had very high hopes for you; what a terrible disappointment it must be for them that you chose to walk this path instead. What a terrible tragedy. What an utter waste of education and potential.

      There is a world of difference between “notoriety” and “ridicule”. And there are far more constructive ways to ensure that one’s life has not been in vain, to ensure that one really has “made a positive difference” in the world. Don’t you believe that you deserve more than this, that you can be a better man than this ? Is this really what you want your own name to be forever associated with ? Do you seriously want the evidence that you ever existed to be just this ? Don’t you believe that your time on earth, all your childhood dreams, all your parents’ hopes for you, all that time and effort spent on your hard-won law degree, it was all meant to be for something better than this ?

      However, there is still time for you to pull back from this self-destructive madness. Unless, of course, you really do want to go down in history as someone who will be viewed in the same way that Anjem Choudary, Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Osama bin Laden will inevitably be regarded, a completely humiliated figure of disgust and hatred, whose only legacy will be foul-mouthed, delusional outbursts, misinformed, paranoid “opinions” and discredited online writings which will continue to be vilified and belittled decades and possibly centuries from now, a source of shame and embarrassment for anyone who will be able to trace their ancestry or some distant familial connection to you, someone whose very name will be a source of global contempt, ridicule and mockery from the perspective of future historians and the rest of humanity for as long as written & electronic records of British political history endure.

      But if that is what you want, so be it.

    29. Shamit — on 12th August, 2009 at 12:57 pm  

      “whilst you have benefited from race laws that reward you on the benefit solely of your race and colour since you came into this country –”

      No Jai got educated and went to Uni and got a job - just like most British Asians. And so did I, and I went to an American university - where my race (asian) or my nationality (british) did not matter.

      And for that matter, most British Indian families do not take benefits —

      my people have never been part of this society, and now you have become the middle class whilst we are forced to stay in the social class we always have been.

      Well how is it our fault mr legal brains? May be if parents focus on education like Asian parents did then the story would be different.

      Isn’t it about people taking responsbilities themselves?

      Again most british Indian families were middle class and they did not have to use race laws to get into University — but there has been many incidents when a qualified Asian or Black was moved aside due to their race.

      Now, I believe in equal opportunities and I believe we as a Society have a responsibility towards those who are less fortunate and that includes poor white people.

      But yet you choose to blame us.

      And you know the sad thing, I think your BNP bubble is bursting — and it would burst even more. Even people who voted for you have already realised or would realise soon that voting for the BNP is like voting for an economic death warrant.

      And it is obvious that BNP does not understand how the global economy works — and we have highlighted that many many times during our interactions over the past few months.

      Now you can abuse me or Jai or Sunny but it would not change the fact that you are an ignorant and gullible fool who believes the crap that idiot Griffin (who is clever) dishes out. Now, how is that my fault or Jai’s fault?

      And, in the general election your vote share is going to go down even more — and you would always remain a fringe party of idiots led by some very astute selfish political demagogues Mr. LLB.

      You are a lawyer therefore an officer of the Court — and you know that justice is blind. Did you buy that law degree on the internet or something — or you chose BNP because with your limited intelligence you could not make a decent living as a lawyer. Your presentation and communication skills leave a lot to be desired for.

      But that’s BNP for you — even with a 90% dominance in the society still bitching about how everyone is leaving the white man behind.

      People who are left behind in our society are due to negligence of the parents and sometimes unfortunate — but if parents took their responsibilities seriously may be things would have been better. What do you think?

    30. Dalbir — on 12th August, 2009 at 3:11 pm  

      Some more historical perspective on things.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7mnijoDVu0

    31. Dalbir — on 12th August, 2009 at 3:32 pm  

      I think a bit of Bob Marley is in order……

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scs6mWiHnyA&feature=fvw

      A live performance of the same tune:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1VfzBkkXbY&feature=related

      enjoy

    32. Golam Murtaza — on 12th August, 2009 at 4:43 pm  

      Classy character is our Lee. A scholar and a gentleman.

    33. Jai — on 12th August, 2009 at 4:45 pm  

      Excellent remarks in #32, Shamit. Mr Lee John Barnes LLB (Hons) continues to reinforce his psychological similarity to Anjem Choudary with absolutely everything he says and does — the two individuals are practically identical. If someone wanted to undermine the BNP, I don’t think anyone else could have scripted his comments #31 & #33 better even if they’d tried. The level of pure guesswork, assumption and psychological projection in those little outbursts is quite staggering — but not unusual for people in that condition.

      ***********************************************

      Lee,

      If your efforts on this website during the past 24 hours are geared to placate your estranged friends on Stormfront and stop them from continuing to refer to you as “Jew Boy” then it’s more than a little transparent. And yes, I’m afraid the whole world does know about all that too.

      If your continuing behaviour here is not supported and condoned by Nick Griffin, you should probably obtain formal clearance from him beforehand, since you are a senior member of the BNP and absolutely everything you say (including the manner in which you say it) reflects on the party you represent — a party, let me remind you, which is campaigning for election. As I mentioned before, absolutely everything you’re doing here is a matter for the permanent public record, both nationally and internationally.

      However, if your activities on this website have indeed been formally endorsed by Nick Griffin, then be advised that it reflects damningly on your organisation as a whole, because it means that writing expletive-laden racist messages to random members of the public electorate is being authorised at the highest level of the party and is an example of the BNP’s leadership using other party members (such as yourself) to do its dirty work whilst ostensibly keeping their own hands clean as far as their “public face” is concerned. It also raises further questions about how the BNP would treat the public (especially non-white people) if it was in power, if this is the attitude the BNP has before it has even been elected.

      None of which is acceptable in a modern democracy, and none of which is the type of statesmanlike behaviour that would be expected from senior members of (as the BNP keeps saying) a “legitimate” political party campaigning for the British government’s highest political office. Not in 2009, not in this political system, and certainly not here in the West.

      As for your verbally abusive messages directed at Sunny Hundal personally on this blog, as a lawyer you should be fully aware of the fact that persisting in such behaviour via electronic communication methods when the recipient has made it clear they want you to desist constitutes a criminal offence.

      Again, show your comments #31 & #33 along with the rest of the aforementioned material to your family GP and request some formal feedback after he/she has had the time to thoroughly read through it (and don’t forget to mention the fact that you have made the remarks directed at myself & Shamit via the internet, and that the recipients are completely anonymous strangers to you — people who you know absolutely nothing about in terms of their own background, character, and personal and professional history, apart from the fact that they are British citizens and of Asian ethnicity). As I said previously, if you are absolutely convinced that you are 100% correct, accurate, justified, and “right” in relation to your own perceptions and actions, then you should have nothing to be concerned about as far as your GP’s subsequent reaction and professional opinion is concerned. In fact, if you really are “right” in all aspects, then presumably you will gain your doctor’s full support and will thereby gain another ally.

      So have the guts to show your doctor what you have been writing on the internet, the type of messages you have repeatedly been addressing to Sunny, what you really believe and assume about random Asians you have never met and know nothing about (both on this website and in the real world), and your concerns about “liberal white middle class traitors”. What are you afraid of ?

      If you really want to run this country, then you should have nothing to hide. So do it.

    34. Don — on 12th August, 2009 at 4:54 pm  

      Yes, Golam. If only he had had your chances, think what he could have achieved. He would have been a Colossus.

    35. chairwoman — on 12th August, 2009 at 5:16 pm  

      “Fuck off you racist hypocrite.”

      Ah, the razor-sharp repartee of our wannabe representative.

    36. Marcus — on 12th August, 2009 at 5:36 pm  

      Can’t stand the BNP myself, scum who have given a bad name to the legitimate concerns of many British people.

      Unfortunately it is impossible to have a sensible discussion on immigration without the word racist being bandied around.

      This is not just a British problem and I don’t what to get into a slagging match on here. So I will highlight an article in the economist.

      http://www.economist.com/agenda/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14207132

      It concerns Chinese immigrants being attacked in various countries, where the indigenous culture feels it is under attack.

      Now I hope no one agrees with the some of the violence that these Chinese have received. But I hope you may appreciate in the same way why many British white people equally feel betrayed by politicians. Some people who are not really racist have turned to the BNP out of desperation.

    37. Sunny — on 12th August, 2009 at 5:47 pm  

      Lee John Barnes is banned from here - please do not engage with him.

    38. Dalbir — on 12th August, 2009 at 5:50 pm  

      Some people who are not really racist have turned to the BNP out of desperation.

      How many of these have done so because they are unable to compete in a competitive, capitalistic environment, which their own people promote? Not only here, but abroad as well.

    39. Shamit — on 12th August, 2009 at 5:52 pm  

      Mr. Barnes -

      How come you are still poor even though you are a lawyer? Most lawyers I know irrespective of their colour, creed or religion seems to be comfortable if not well off.

      So you failed in your chosen profession - am I surprised? No. Because we all know that the grey matter content in your brain is rather low. But we still can’t equate your failing to our supposed conspiracy to defraud the poor white working man.

      I understand logic is a foreign concept to you and logical analysis is not even in your vocabulary. Because if you did, you probably would have made a decent living in your chosen profession.

      And therefore it is no surprise you support a party whose policies would wreck Britain - we have articulated that many many many times but obviously the delusional brains have yet to come up with a logical response. No wonder you have to resort to swearing.

      How sad and how pathetic? And you want to run the country — Griffin as PM and you as Justice Secretary or Home Secretary - well even your most ardent racist supporter with half a brain must cringe when they think about that.

      So why don’t you please depart gracefully — and go and check in voluntarily in a mental health institution. Would do you a world of good.

      Bye bye

    40. Shamit — on 12th August, 2009 at 5:52 pm  

      sorry Sunny — saw your post when i posted.

    41. Jai — on 12th August, 2009 at 5:58 pm  

      How many of these have done so because they are unable to compete in a competitive, capitalistic environment, which their own people promote?

      Dalbir is completely correct.

      Lee, you are obviously banned from PP so you will be unable to respond to this — and this will be my final comment addressed to you — but if you’re reading this, I suggest you consider the following:

      Regarding your claim to be “poor and white”: Lawyers are amongst the most highly paid people in the world, outside of the investment banking sector. If you’d worked harder at being successful in your career then your income would be correspondingly higher and you would be in a better position to alleviate your family’s poverty. The legal profession in Western nations (including the United Kingdom) is dominated by non-white people, so you have absolutely no basis on which to blame “non-whites exploiting race laws to advance professionally” for your own situation.

      And incidentally, as a lawyer you are about as far from “working class” as it is possible to get. Your academic & professional background actually places you very much in the upper middle class bracket.

      If you really are serious about wanting to give your relatives a better life financially, perhaps you should focus on your career and do what is required to advance professionally. Taking responsibility for your own situation and ejecting this misguided notion of automatic “entitlement” would be a good starting point.

      Don’t blame your lack of success and low earning power on anyone else – the fact that you’re not in a position to fulfil your responsibilities and take care of your extended family properly by giving them a comfortable standard of living is due to your own compromised cognitive faculties, your lack of interpersonal skills, and your racist attitude towards non-white people, and is therefore entirely your own fault.

      As a highly educated member of one of the professions, a lawyer no less, you really have no excuse whatsoever. None at all.

      However, unlike most other people, your academic and professional background places you in a fairly privileged position to be able to rectify your situation. People always need lawyers just like they always need doctors. Speaking to relevant recruitment consultancies, career counselling companies (there are plenty of excellent outplacement firms around), and the various bodies/associations formally affiliated with the legal profession would be a superb course of action to undertake if you really do want to receive proper guidance and assistance in order to salvage your career by securing a suitable position with an appropriate law firm (or in-house legal teams – the corporate/private sector has tremendous scope for lucrative positions in this area). Especially if you are deadly serious about wanting to give your family the affluent standard of living they deserve.

      You also have an alternative, although it will require you taking about 5 years out of your life. Being qualified as a lawyer – with the associated exemplary academic background, not to mention already having one degree associated with “the professions” under your belt – should enable you to meet the high requirements necessary for a place in medical school as a mature student. There is not exactly a shortage of medical schools in the United Kingdom, but there is certainly a shortage of doctors. Since you obviously had the intelligence required to successfully make it through a hard-won law degree, you should be able to repeat that in medicine. Subsequently qualifying as a doctor a few years later will not only put you in a superb position to really make a positive difference to people’s lives (assuming that you really do care for what you term “your community” as much as you claim to), it will also essentially give you a guaranteed job for life, along with the social prestige that comes with being a doctor. And again, in terms of the impact to your family’s financial situation, your income will be excellent.

      So, thanks to already having a law degree, you are lucky enough to have two options right there. Assuming that you really are serious about desiring professional success and wanting to give your family (including your parents) an affluent lifestyle. Talk is cheap.

    42. Jai — on 12th August, 2009 at 6:03 pm  

      Sunny,

      My post above is the final one I am going to address to Lee — I would be very grateful if you please didn’t delete it as it contains some important information to enable Lee to rectify his family’s financial situation, assuming that he reads it.

      I will not engage with him further, as requested by you in #36.

    43. Jai — on 12th August, 2009 at 6:07 pm  

      Correction to #40:

      The legal profession in Western nations (including the United Kingdom) is dominated by non-white people,

      “Dominated by white people”, obviously. Very much so, in fact, especially here in Britain.

    44. Lee Barnes — on 12th August, 2009 at 7:04 pm  

      AAAAH the joys of debating with the left and anti-white racists,

      they can only debate with white guardianista idiots who cringe with the ‘race guilt reflex’ - when it comes to debating with real people you cant handle.

      Fuck me sunny, you are an embarrasing little pussy aint ya.

    45. Lee Barnes — on 12th August, 2009 at 7:05 pm  

      Meeeow - goes sunny as he presses the delete button again.

      Wanker.

    46. damon — on 12th August, 2009 at 9:55 pm  

      I read a Millwall football fans blog from time to time.

      And I saw this thread on it today about the Thamesmead estate in outer south east London (by the Thames).
      I was just writing on PP yesterday about that particular estate (on the thread titled ”Rod Liddle shows his racist side too”).

      I wont do the link to the football website itself as there are some pretty racist comments on it.

      They were commenting about this BBC website page about Thamesmead.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8193884.stm

      It was once quite notorious as a bastion of white racists, and now this BBC website calls it ”The fraud capital of the UK ” due to (so the BBC site and the Millwall fans say) its gaining of the nickname ”Little Lagos”.

      This is the sort of thing I guess that that Lee Barnes guy gets off on. It’s good that he’s banned as I know that there’s no talking to people like that.

      Those Milwall fans are from all around that area of south east London, so I’m sure some of them know it quite well.

      You see the same thing being said about Barking and Dagenham. About how the African population has grown quite rapidly in a short space of time.
      How people from West Africa came to be in London in such large numbers I’m not sure. Is Nigeria a country you can claim Asylum from? Are there legitimate immigration channels you can go through if you want to change countries?

      So stuff Lee Barnes and his mates, but is there any truth in that BBC article?
      I can imagine that faced with working for seven quid an hour at the hot noisy industrial laundry where I’m working at right now (as a delivery driver thank god) the temptation to get into the fiddling game (with multiple identities and bogus credit cards and general fraud) is quite tempting I’d have thought.

      Working for minimum wages in London means you are going to be living in complete poverty, (if you pay your rent and all your bills).

      I was at a food processing factory on the North Circular Road today near Neasden. There’s hundreds of workers in there, all wearing hair nets and overalls and wellington boots, and almost everyone in there was a foriegner. (They even had signs inside the building in an Indian language).

      Hopefully they have some union representation, (if that does any good) as it seemed like such a hell hole.
      If I was forced to work inside there for minimum wage and someone approached me with some scam to get goods with fake credit cards or whatever, I’d be sorely tempted too.

      Those guys must all be living in bedsit squalor.

      This is probably off topic, but I was trying to get inside the mind of some Casuals United bloke. How they think. They’l see the same things I did today and might think the BNP is the answer.

    47. Lee Barnes — on 12th August, 2009 at 10:12 pm  

      How about they all fuck off out the country and they give their jobs to unemployed British people instead of greedy capitalist bosses using them as slave labour to undercut our wages and remove workers rights ?

      Its not like there arent any unemployed in this country is it.

      Or didnt that thought pop into your head you ant brained, middle class dickhead ?

    48. Marcus — on 13th August, 2009 at 8:55 am  

      ‘How many of these have done so because they are unable to compete in a competitive, capitalistic environment, which their own people promote? Not only here, but abroad as well.’

      Agree with you completely on this one.

      But this is again were the government has really failed the people it is supposed to be looking after. Unfortunately they have found it easier to let people ride it out on the dole/sick instead of helping/forcing these people to work.

      Instead we bring in many third world immigrants to fill the jobs in industrial laundries etc. But when you bring in third world people, you bring in third world problems as well.

      Third world diseases- london is now TB capital of Europe.
      Third world culture- women dressed up as letter boxes and prevented from contributing to society.
      Third world criminality- the article in the bbc about fraud is correct, and with so many people of different colours, languages etc the police can’t monitor this criminality because they have little understanding of the people involved.

      I could go on but the fact of the matter is that the governments does not give a flying **** about any of this. If big business wants cheap labour they can have it.

    49. Dalbir — on 13th August, 2009 at 2:31 pm  

      I could go on but the fact of the matter is that the governments does not give a flying **** about any of this. If big business wants cheap labour they can have it.

      If this is true, why scapegoat the migrants then? If the BNP wasn’t rabidly racist they would be concentrating on attacking capitalism if this is their gripe. But no, they twist things to promote hatred of darker skinned races. That is what this is all about, no matter how they try and package things.

      Frankly reading your post above, I’m sure you are one of them.

    50. Marcus — on 13th August, 2009 at 4:12 pm  

      @Dalbir

      “Frankly reading your post above, I’m sure you are one of them”

      Nice of you to assume I am a racist thug, even though I have stated I hate the BNP. Maybe you can enlighten me as to what in my post would make you arrive at your conclusion.

    51. douglas clark — on 14th August, 2009 at 4:01 am  

      It is perhaps an oversight that Lee Barnes comment at 47 still exists on this site. Perhaps not.

      Anyway, it gives me a hook into the mind that is behind the BNP poster boy. He tried, very hard, i.e. not very hard at all, to argue a defence for Garry McKinnon, who probably needs the BNP on his side like he needs a hole in the head.

      Garry McKinnon has broken into US Government Computers, and rather than ask him how the fuck he did it, the US Government wants to prosecute him to the full extent of the Law. Which means that an Aspergers sufferer is a legitimate target for the American State.

      Garry McKinnon claims to have ‘seen’ things when he was hacking, none of which are substantiated.

      If Lee Barnes had left off at that, that Gary McKinnon was delusional and in need of help, there would be no arguement from me.

      But instead, the Head of Legal Services for the BNP, attempted to make a case that Gary McKinnon was:

      (a) Not delusional, and that was a defence, or:

      (b) Was delusional, and that was a defence.

      Whilst we can take (b) as read, (a) says more about the mind set of the BNP than it does about a legitimate defence of Gary McKinnon.

      Gary McKinnon, according to the paragon that is the BNP’s legal defence department, is supposed to argue, as half of his defence, that what he saw, was true, that the USA has credibly got alien technology or the like, and that they are keeping it from the rest of us?

      Phil Plait, who is a hero of mine, even got the balance wrong:

      http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/08/03/the-purpose-of-punishment/

      The guy should not be extradited, and the US should fuck off.

    52. Dalbir — on 14th August, 2009 at 6:45 am  

      Nice of you to assume I am a racist thug, even though I have stated I hate the BNP. Maybe you can enlighten me as to what in my post would make you arrive at your conclusion.

      Unless my reading skills are infinitely worse than I imagines, your whole post reads like a textbook stereotype of immigrants as promoted by the BNP.

      But this is again were the government has really failed the people it is supposed to be looking after. Unfortunately they have found it easier to let people ride it out on the dole/sick instead of helping/forcing these people to work.

      Whose fault is it that a section of the white population has decided to live like this? If they have, isn’t it plain commonsense to give the work to those that are willing to do it, even if they are (gasp!) immigrants? Need I remind you that capitalism is the baby of whitemen, who are hell bent on foisting it on everyone, whether they like it or not. What I find strangely ironic in all of this is that the very notion of the “survival of the fittest” which was used to bolster white ego, now comes back to haunt them. What’s the matter, can’t the superior race compete anymore? Hmmm…..maybe they are not fit for survival?

      Instead we bring in many third world immigrants to fill the jobs in industrial laundries etc. But when you bring in third world people, you bring in third world problems as well.

      Here we go! Those nasty immigrants bringing their nasty problems to nice old blighty. How much of a knob can you be? How about whitemen bringing their problems to the third world? War, destablised regions, weapons, environmental destruction, shallow unhealthy consumerism, anorexia, breakdown of family values……just off the top of my head.

      Third world diseases- london is now TB capital of Europe.

      Diseased, dirty foreigners.

      Third world culture- women dressed up as letter boxes and prevented from contributing to society.

      I don’t give a fuck how they dress, why do you? Besides, if they did contribute in gainful employment, you’d probably start crying about how they taking the job from some unfortunate white person. What’s next? Will you be whinging about my grandpa’s turban?

      Third world criminality- the article in the bbc about fraud is correct, and with so many people of different colours, languages etc the police can’t monitor this criminality because they have little understanding of the people involved.

      Thieving bastards, these Johnny Foreigners. Now, according to your wisdom, crime and disease are the main contributions of immigrants to this country.

      I could go on but the fact of the matter is that the governments does not give a flying **** about any of this. If big business wants cheap labour they can have it.

      If whitemen have made money their God and base everything in their society around accumulating it, whose fucking fault is that? Get real, the problem is not immigrants but your own people’s insistence on placing materialism, consumerism and hedonism at the centre of existence. Then trying to push these things on the rest of the world as natural.

      Stop scapegoating.

    53. douglas clark — on 14th August, 2009 at 7:21 am  

      Dalbir,

      I will say one thing. Whilst Marcus @ 48 is clearly a nut job, it doesn’t justify a defence of the burqa, which is an obviously mysogynistic thing. That is not liberty, it is oppression. It would do you well to argue your stronger cases, of which you have many, and give that shit up.

      Of course you could retreat to a partial reading of scripture, but, I think, you are a damn sight better than that.

    54. douglas clark — on 14th August, 2009 at 7:38 am  

      And Dalbir,

      I am quite old and white, and my philosophy, some might say counter philosophy, means that I am not rich, I have accumulated nothing and, believe it or not, I don’t really care.

      Though a bit of hedonism is probably OK!

      You are being just as ridiculous in categorising everyone who is white in the same way as the BNP categorise everyone that is brown. It is wrong, whichever end of the burning bush you pick up.

      So, you stop scapegoating too!

    55. douglas clark — on 14th August, 2009 at 8:16 am  

      And, round and about where I come from, the folks with the current reg Mercedes Benz tend to be Asian.

      You friendly U-Tube has a comment on that:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-g7Q7hXn7o

      Who, exactly, is the materialist around here?

      It sure as heck isn’t to do with the colour of your skin, or mine.

    56. Marcus — on 14th August, 2009 at 8:53 am  

      Dalbir you clearly have a major chip on your shoulder. The only way you argue is to mock people or call them racist. This is why the whole issue of immigration is so badly understood and why politicians don’t even have the guts to discuss it.

      So rather than discuss the bbc article about fraud and why it is inaccurate your response is to go on about Johhny foreigner.

      Is London TB capital of Europe?

      Well since it is you don’t argue but again have to suggest I am calling all foreigners dirty.

      Finally the Burqua, you say if they contribute to society then it is fine. Well the problem is they don’t contribute to society, they stay in there own little area dominated by males. Just how can someone have a meaningful contribution to society dressed like that?

    57. Dalbir — on 14th August, 2009 at 4:34 pm  

      Douglas, I was just trying to highlight a point to Marcus. Albeit dramatically. I fully accept what you are saying about materialism. Come on! Do you really think that I entertain the notion that only white people can be materialistic. Many of my own lot have jumped onto consumerism with an unrestrained vengeance!

      One thing you guys have to get used to is me countering nonsense like Marcus’s with some sweeping generalisations and some home truths. The geralisations to show just how easy it is, the home truths because…well…it’s good to. The hope is that the targetted audience may realise their own position is less stable than they think. One lesson I learnt young was that ANYONE can easily sling mud on other communities/races. No people are in any untouchable position in this respect.

      If you think what I said about white people above was bad, you should hear me bang on about Sikhs…to Sikhs. Regular critical self reflection is the best policy. In my books anyway. I don’t think Sikhs do it enough myself. But anyway…

      Ultimately, any community should constantly strive to better itself. Hell, that goes for individuals as well. This involves crossing into territory the ego tries to avoid like the plague. We have to make that journey sometimes and we have to drag others down that path occasionally too, before they cause unrequired grief.

      I just hope the above didn’t come out as gibberish.

      Marcus, your finger pointing like that was a cheap shot. I don’t understand what is going on with immigration in this country. I don’t fully understand how class, economics, politics, identity politics work exactly in the equation. I’m especially suspicious of the higher echelons of this society, who I imagine pull the levers. But being Johnny Foreigner myself, I have little understading of this powerful elite. What I do know and understand is where disgruntled anti-immigrant rhetoric leads us. And there is no way we are going there without me kicking and fussing all the way.

      With the burqa thing, I think we may have polar opposite views. I personally daren’t tell anyone how to run their society unless it seriously impinges on mine. And I expect - no demand - the same curtesy back. The only other scenario is one where things are so fucked up that I can’t ignore it (like say rampant paedophilia). I simply do not feel I am in any position to dictate on that thing to the Muslim community, in the same way no outsider (in my opinion) has any right to question the wearing of a turban for a Sikh (I don’t wear one btw). Or dictate any other nonsense.

      But more important than all of this however, is my belief that real freedom MUST be gained by fighting for it and gaining it for YOURSELF. If it is given to you, it is a false victory in my eyes. So even if I take onboard your belief that the burqa is an oppressive device (which sorry I don’t) - it isn’t me, you or anyone else that has to combat it but Muslim women themselves. Otherwise it is likely to be some sort lived bullshit that will only last temporarily. Make sense?

    58. sonia — on 14th August, 2009 at 4:41 pm  

      Are all fascists racist?

      are all racists fascist?

      are we all arguing any sort of organised violence in which innocent people suffer?

      are we all arguing against some kind of group supremacism?

      (just a few thoughts, everyone seems to call ‘fascist’ that which they don’t like, basically)

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