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  • Rod Liddle shows his racist side too


    by Sunny
    9th August, 2009 at 11:41 pm    

    A PP reader points out there is another side to Liddle Rod which I hadn’t highlighted - his thinly veiled racism. He is already well known for muddling figures around immigration to support his agenda.

    In February this year he wrote this for the Sunday Times:

    Most middle-class parents would prefer not to spend £25,000 per child, per year, on private schooling. And they probably would not do so if the alternative was of a higher educational standard than the state school around the corner, the Mary Seacole City Academy for Advanced Textspeak and Stabbing. This is especially true in central London, where Dave lives. Perhaps he thinks that Westminster is a state school, near as dammit, compared with his own alma mater, Eton.

    There is no Mary Seacole City Academy. But Mary Seacole is a well known and highly acclaimed British black figure, voted among the Greatest Black Britons. You can see what Liddle is doing here: the reference to Mary Seacole is a not-so-subtle way of associating black kids at school withknife crime and bad English.

    Let’s say someone used the phrase: ‘the Greenberg school for international financiers’ - the inference would be that Jewish kids go on to control global finance. The implication here is simply that black kids are taught stabbing and text-speak at school.

    And remember: this guy has a column in the Sunday Times and writes regularly for the Spectator with this kind of bile.


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      [...] “Most middle-class parents would prefer not to spend £25,000 per child, per year, on private schooling. And they probably would not do so if the alternative was of a higher educational standard than the state school around the corner, the Mary Seacole City Academy for Advanced Textspeak and Stabbing. This is especially true in central London, where Dave lives.” - 2009 [...]


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      [...] “Most middle-class parents would prefer not to spend £25,000 per child, per year, on private schooling. And they probably would not do so if the alternative was of a higher educational standard than the state school around the corner, the Mary Seacole City Academy for Advanced Textspeak and Stabbing. This is especially true in central London, where Dave lives.” - 2009 [...]




    1. Reuben — on 9th August, 2009 at 11:56 pm  

      Shocking. That he would be so blatant, that is.

    2. Laban Tall — on 10th August, 2009 at 12:05 am  

      It’s worse than that, is he a plagiarist as well?

      Let’s take two schools - say St Cuthberts CoE Secondary in the small Somerset market town of Marston Bigot, and the Learco Chindamo Community College in Maida Vale.

      St Cuthberts has a catchment area of mostly well-off middle class Bristol commuters, with a few farmers and agricultural workers, a largish contingent of young Poles who are rapidly replacing the native agricultural workers, and a small number of benefit-dependent natives concentrated on a single ‘social housing’ estate.

      The children reflect this mix (although there are fewer young Poles - they’re still in nursery). 71% of year 11s get 5 A-Cs including Maths and English.

      At Learco Chindamo Community College, over 950 languages are spoken - remarkable in a school of 800 children …

      (one thing though - I think Rod is trying to make up for his years as the Today editor on R4. He was so PC then …

    3. Madam Miaow — on 10th August, 2009 at 12:18 am  

      That is appalling, especially when you know what Mary Seacole represents.

    4. Splintered Sunrise — on 10th August, 2009 at 12:35 am  

      Amongst plenty of other offences, see also.

      If you have the stomach, a quick Google search on “Rod Liddle” and “BNP” will turn up plenty of complimentary references to him on Stormfront and various Nazi blogs.

    5. damon — on 10th August, 2009 at 1:32 am  

      Do you think that any of his readers might get his style and seeming irreverence and shooting from the hip style?

      If he is actually hurting society and bringing actual division then I would condem him for his writing.
      If he is just mouthing off and doesn’t acctually do any harm then I have no problem with him.

      Are we suggesting that although he doesn’t influence us, ‘the plebs’ on the other hand will be lapping this stuff up and be influenced by it?
      Like Casuals United.

      I think that however crudely Liddle puts it (and that’s how he always puts it) what he’s saying is fair enough.
      That the likes of Cameron and Diane Abott will not trust their children to the kinds of schools that Damilola Taylor went to.

      I think a reference to a ”Mary Seacole City Academy” is perfectly alright, if you take it in the same way that the running joke in ‘Only Fools and Horses’ was that the Peckham tower block they lived in was called Nelson Mandela House.
      Quite clever for 1981 I thought.

      Yes he’s having a dig. Just by bringing up the name of Mary Seacole he’s showing disrespect to Black History Month (which comes around and around every year with endless monotony).

      Maybe Liddle feels the same way about it.

      OMG. I dissed Black History Month.
      But I say that from a position of having heard loads and loads of debate about it, and the level of debate I have found is very poor.

      I listen to radio BBC London all the time. For years.
      I listen to Dotun Adebayo’s sunday evening programme (like I did again tonight) and Eddie Nestor (who is on right now) and their programmes have a black audience in mind (and so) much of their content is black orientated.
      Every year it’s the same old thing. Slavery, ”post tranmatic slave syndrome”, Mary Seacole etc.

      It’s not progressive. It holds us back always being tied up with race and culture.

      If you think I’ve lost it and have shown myself to be reactionary, just have a read of this powerful argument made in Spiked magazine.
      http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3002/

      Maybe Liddle could do with taking a lead from the writer of that article, but isn’t he just doing his job? (Being a lowlife hack who has a particular style from which his livelihood comes?)
      Julie Burchill has also made a life out of writing shite, and just adding some elan that seperates her and Liddle from every other failed writer/journalist who wishes they could pay the mortgage by just tapping out words on a keyboard.

    6. JuliaM — on 10th August, 2009 at 5:46 am  

      “…Mary Seacole is a well known and highly acclaimed British black figure, voted among the Greatest Black Britons. You can see what Liddle is doing here: the reference to Mary Seacole is a not-so-subtle way of associating black kids at school withknife crime and bad English.”

      Could be. Could be…

      Or he could just be chortling at the well known practice of trendy lefties of naming publc buildings after famous and not-so-famous historical black or gay (or any other ’cause’) figures.

      Like that well-known racist John Sullivan, with his ‘Nelson Mandela House’ in ‘Only Fools and Horses’…

      I knew if I waited long enough, Hundal would jump the shark. It seems this is his moment!

    7. Golam Murtaza — on 10th August, 2009 at 8:54 am  

      What a charmer this Liddle character is. I’m definitely with Sunny on this one.

    8. Chris Baldwin — on 10th August, 2009 at 10:55 am  

      Liddle is just awful. One of the worst columnists in the business.

    9. George — on 10th August, 2009 at 11:30 am  

      Let’s get the bigger picture. Chaps like Rod Liddle are necessary - they define the British establishment with its Little Englanders and the imperial cheerleaders. Here is a partial list:
      Enoch Powell, Melvyn Bragg, Andrew Neil, Andrew Roberts, Stephen Fry, David Goodhart, Boris Johnson, Ian Hyslop, Paul Merton, Niall Ferguson, Simon Heffer
      There are also cruder jingoists like Richard Littlejohn and Jon Gaunt.

      You may not agree with these guys but boy they can talk and write on anything. In contrast, the average Indian pundit including the PM with that glacial expression can only indulge in vacuous banalities.

    10. David Stuart — on 10th August, 2009 at 11:53 am  

      Perhaps he could be doing both JuliaM? You’re right though, such black & gay figures as Robert Peel and Elizabeth Fry (who share their names with Mary Seacole) for the Home Office Marsham St buildings.

      Damon, I think your analysis of Liddle’s (cheap jibing hack) journalism is on point. Convenient that he used a figure for you to hang your own disdain for Black History Month on though, eh? What’s up with that (p.s. I think Davenport’s article isn’t very strong at all, I could tear it to pieces if you like?)

      Liddle is the champion of the “ooh the white middle class man is the most oppressed group in society” brigade. He know how to tap into the minds-eye pictures of a lot of his covert racist readers. For clarification, covert racist = hold views that echo Liddle’s jibe, are careful to only espouse them in perceived safe company, but when challenged will say something like “I’m not a racist, my pilates instructor is from Thailand”.

      Liddle could always use the defence that he had a pop at Americans with Obama issues yesterday (I’m not a racist, I defended Obama from a nonsensical conspiracy theory).

      This was alongside jibes about ‘maniacal lesbian’ lefties of the 80s. The reason the sexual orientation counted being precisely as Damon stated: it was low-life hackery.

    11. cjcjc — on 10th August, 2009 at 11:58 am  

      Is knife crime not a greater problem amongst black boys?

      If this counts as “bile” or “appalling”, we will have run out of words by the time we get round to anything even slightly more serious.

    12. Edwin Greenwood — on 10th August, 2009 at 12:04 pm  

      Not to worry, Rod Liddle is just an Edmund Standing substitute. Now that the Blessed Edmund has hung up his keyboard over at Harry’s Place, Sunny needs a new hate-figure to obsess about.

      Liddle is a shock jock, Sunny. And quite a competent one. If he’s rattling your cage this badly, then he’s won. But suit yourself.

    13. Halima — on 10th August, 2009 at 12:31 pm  

      “Liddle is the champion of the “ooh the white middle class man is the most oppressed group in society” brigade. He know how to tap into the minds-eye pictures of a lot of his covert racist readers. For clarification, covert racist = hold views that echo Liddle’s jibe, are careful to only espouse them in perceived safe company, but when challenged will say something like “I’m not a racist, my pilates instructor is from Thailand”.

      Couldn’t have put it better myself. Spot on.

    14. Suzy — on 10th August, 2009 at 12:31 pm  

      Rod Liddle is a repulsive oaf who appeals to other repulsive oafs. He’s not really worth discussing much, his kind are ten-a-penny.

    15. David Stuart — on 10th August, 2009 at 1:36 pm  

      @ cjcjc - yes it is, like paedophilia is with white men. Trouble is, the padeophilia issue is seldom racialised, unlike the knife crime issue.

      Mind you, someone like Liddle could always buck that trend by dreaming up a suitable epithet such as: “They were lamenting the Ashes capitulation at Headingley in the Gary Glitter Lounge of my local British Legion…”.

    16. Sunny — on 10th August, 2009 at 1:44 pm  

      Liddle is a shock jock, Sunny. And quite a competent one. If he’s rattling your cage this badly, then he’s won. But suit yourself.

      Rattling my cage? Yes, I do get annoyed when open racism becomes so easily tolerated in society. My bad - perhaps I should just ignore it.

    17. Sunny — on 10th August, 2009 at 1:46 pm  

      And I bet the same people making excuses for Liddle were earlier pretending to cry into their cornflakes in the morning when Mehdi Hasan used the word ‘kaafir’.

    18. cjcjc — on 10th August, 2009 at 1:47 pm  

      @15 - so your point is that we shouldn’t raise knife crime?

      Erm, OK….

    19. Test — on 10th August, 2009 at 1:54 pm  

      @ cjcjc – yes it is, like paedophilia is with white men. Trouble is, the padeophilia issue is seldom racialised, unlike the knife crime issue.

      Do you have any evidence that paedophiles are disproportionately white?

    20. cjcjc — on 10th August, 2009 at 1:59 pm  

      @19 - I agree with the thrust of your comment but I think you meant to say “that whites are disproportionately paedophiles” rather than your construction…

    21. Sunny — on 10th August, 2009 at 2:18 pm  

      @15 – so your point is that we shouldn’t raise knife crime?

      Raise knife crime by all means. But if your point is that black kids should all be associated with knife crime because they’re black - then it’s blatant negative stereotyping.

    22. damon — on 10th August, 2009 at 2:40 pm  

      David Stewart, are you sure it’s middle class white men that Liddle says are the most oppressed group in society? Obbviously he writes a lot and I’ve only seen a frcation of his output.

      I know he has ”championed” the white working class in the parts of London like Harriet Harman’s constituency, when she herself sent her son way out of the area to leafy Orpington in Bromley to go to a grammer school.

      He has said things like ”no one ever asked the people who lived in places like Peckham and New Cross did they want to be a part of a social experiment”.

      And so he probably dispises the likes of Harman and that section of the New Labour who (in his mind) would say one thing, and do another.

      I think that Sunny’s original pitching of this was a bit off. If you were to compare a Peckham school and the one that Harman’s son went to …
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Olave's_Grammar_School

      …. then social issues with street culture and even the children being able to speak proper English are going to be more of an issue in the inner city one.

      And when I say ”speaking English” I’m talking about verbal skill deficits. And how you really need to talk properly if you are to impress at a job interview.

      What’s wrong with using a phrase like ”text speak” to describe the cultural phenominum of the inner-city speak that is a combination (in London) of cockney and a sort of West Indian dialect (which British black kids used to adopt 30 years ago but has now fallen out of favour). And quite quickly it becomes the way to speak for all kids in a school.
      Kids coming from overseas with English as a second language pick up this youth speak really fast and in the end it becomes the only way that some teenagers can speak (unlike others like my niece who can dip in and out of it).

      I don’t think Liddle showed his ”racism” by talking about that. But was showing his disdain for the likes of Harman etc.

      As I said, I’m not sticking up for Liddle too much, but again from the opening piece by Sunny, there’s the link about him ”muddling figures around immigration to support his agenda”.
      And who doesn’t do that? Everybody does it and everybody spins.
      The left (in my opinion) as much as the right.
      I’d say the left are as bad as Migration Watch is bad to the right.

      That could be a whole other discussion in itself, but I have caught a few slings and arrows from the left myself - and as a previous thread stated, politics is a war.

      For example, one article I noticed from Liddle a couple of weeks ago was him questioning the EHRC report which said it was a fallacy that ”immigrants were jumping the queue when it came to council housing”.

      Liddle gave the report his usual treatment, but he made me think and question the report in my own mind.
      Less than 2% of social housing was occupied by people who could be called immigrants it said.

      But the scope for spinning that figure is huge.
      Is that 2% in the whole of the UK? Where numbers will be greatly effected when you include the vast areas of the country where there are few immigrants?

      And what the figure for Southwark in London with its vast number of council properties and large numbers of recent immigrants?

      Having listened to the bland BBC radio five life phone in programme on the day that report came out (with Nicky Campbell … so you can imagine how it went for an hour), I can see why someone like Liddle would kick up about something like that.

      He probably thinks he’s railing against leftist and liberal spin.
      http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/5200078/there-are-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-about-the-housing-queue.thtml

      And David Stuart, I might have hung my distrust about some aspects of Black History Month on that story of Liddle, but it’s so much easier to just say someone’s a ass, or a racist or misogynist than to argue complicated counter arguments.

      I’d love to hear your opinion on that Neil Davenport article (although I don’t know if this is the place to do it.) I thought it was good because what it was describing seems to exaxtly follow on from hearing stuff like that being spoken about on Dotun Adebayo’s radio show every sunday night.

      If here isn’t the place, you could tell me on my hotmail. nomad641@live.com (I’m not joking. For some time I’ve wanted someone to tell me what’s wrong with it).

    23. marvin — on 10th August, 2009 at 6:38 pm  

      Perhaps if we scream ‘racist’ enough at Rod Riddle and the evilcons, we can abandon Operation Trident in London!

      Black kids getting killed left right and centre in our inner cities.

      But who cares?

      Rod Liddle is making jokes, alluding to the endemic gun and knight culture with our urban youths (they often have brown skin, ssssh).

      Of course the victims are generally young kids, mostly black or mixed race, in London Zone 1-3. But no, continue your jihad against the evilcons like Liddle. That will help. Shows real understanding of the problem. :D Meanwhile kids die, lives are ruined, but ho-hum, at least you’re being progressive!

    24. john b — on 11th August, 2009 at 12:28 pm  

      Rod Liddle is making jokes, alluding to the endemic gun and knight culture with our urban youths (they often have brown skin, ssssh)

      Xcept:
      #1 the violent culture among urban yoofs is massively exaggerated (70 teen murders in 2008 in total = the number in one US city)

      #2 the extent to which it has anything to do with race is massively exaggerated (black and white kids from the same backgrounds are equally criminal, but a much higher proportion of white kids are middle or upper-working class).

      Saying “there’s a plague of murders among black youths” isn’t particularly helpful - and if you’re not saying it in the context of “and so we should try and lift people out of poverty” then your motives have gotta be a bit suspicious.

    25. David Stauart — on 11th August, 2009 at 12:44 pm  

      @ cjcjc / Test: no, they don’t publish stats, but I was basing the comment on the vast swathe of stories in the national & international media, and in local newspapers in London. Further, I was referring to the comment’greater problem’. Let’s be honest though, just as paedophilia is not the exclusive domain of Europeans, neither is knife crime the exclusive domain of young black people.

      @ Damon - no, I’m saying he is championed by people who use such a facile argument.

      I’d agree that liberal types like Harman are often of the “not in my back yard” mentality. However, what exactly is the ‘social experiment’ Liddle refers too?

      On the English langauge point: 1) there’s nothing wrong with him making the joke, but equally there’s is nothing wrong on calling him out for it either. 2) factually speaking text-speak is not the ‘inner-city’ speak you refer to, so in terms of factual accuracy Liddle is wrong in that sense. 3) Linguistic and literacy problems are evident in areas far from the big city and are almost all white e.g. counties like Somerset, Cornwall, Suffolk etc. It is not the domain of immigrant children with English as second language.

      On the spin point - yep, of course all ends of the political spectrum do it.

      On the Davenport article I’ll be in touch, but there’s not much difference between Dotun Adebayo or Melvin Bragg i.e. both focusing on topics that are of interest to themselves and peers - choose another station, eh?

      @ Marvin - people like me do work with young people who are living in areas with high crime rates but that doesn’t mean that we can’t cuss out Liddle or call out stereotypical cheap journalism in our down time does it?

    26. damon — on 11th August, 2009 at 1:43 pm  

      john b. 70 teen murders may well be the same that happens in one US city.

      But that doesn’t make it alright. Either would be comparing our crime figures with South Africa’s.

      I look at the Baltimore murder map from time to time. It’s interactive. Put in time frame, age, sex, method of killing and they all come up.
      So the UK is not as bad as it’s shown on The Wire TV series. Great.
      http://essentials.baltimoresun.com/micro_sun/homicides/index.php?range=2008&district=all&zipcode=all&age=under18&gender=all&race=all&cause=all&article=all&show_results=Show+Results

      But there are some aspects where ghetto culture in the UK can have echos of the USA.

      Like this young London lad born in Congo tells it.
      http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/i4i+aj+nakasila+biography/1394447

      I know this (below) is just youtube bravado by kids, but I once went on an anti-racist march to that south east London estate of Thamesmead were the T-block crew hang, (after the murder of a young black guy called Rolan Adams) and back then it was said to be the home of many wite racist thugs and where black youth were in danger of attack.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpSFENNd04w

      Things change over time. I don’t see this daft culture (above) being much of an improvement from the 1991 racist culture that is described here in Searchlight magazine.
      http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:47lq_H2eHXcJ:www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php%3Flink%3Dtemplate%26story%3D247+rolan+adams+thamesmead&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk

    27. damon — on 11th August, 2009 at 2:29 pm  

      David Stauart, I just saw your post after I had writen that above.

      You know that by using words like ‘social experiment’ Liddle’s talking about bringing about radical change to a place in a short period of time (demographically and culturally).
      And I can understand why people on the left are suspicious of someone using words like that.

      Liddle might say that France taking in millions of immigrants from Africa and dumping many of them in suburban estates, is an experiment that hasn’t worked so well. That young guy called AJ Nakasila I linked to a story about in my last post seems to show that dumping people in sink estates in East London has also caused problems to arise. And some of them are race based. (Like much of London’s gang problem).

      As for Dotun Adebayo - on his sunday evening show the focus is on black issues (like in The Voice newspaper) and so, listened to over a long period of time, you do get the feeling of an African/Caribbean feeling about certain issues. And theories about post traumatic slave syndrome and issues like racism in the NHS mental health services (and the importance of ‘roots’ for young people) etc etc come up time and time again.
      I don’t think I’ve ever heard a caller ring ito the show and question Adebayo’s agenda and ask him why he talks of such things.
      It seems that most of what he says is of mainstream concern to much of the black community.
      If I thought he was just a maverick off the wall oddball I wouldn’t listen to him.

    28. Kieran — on 11th August, 2009 at 2:38 pm  

      This may give some further clarification on the “textspeak” comment:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD0ptYLA7Yc

    29. coruja — on 11th August, 2009 at 10:51 pm  

      C’mon, a writer for an elitist, establishment, right-wing conservative magazine being racist - in a jokey knowing sort of way…of course - is this that much of a shock? Have you tried to read The Spectator in the last 150 years of its existence? Tried to wade through the xenophobia, misogyny and jingoism?

      This is the cheerleader magazine for the ruling class, why on Earth would they consider the lives of black people with any respect?

      (Of course Taki is rather funny….no, not really)

      I do agree with the futility of Black History Month, being patted on our piccaninny heads once a year is a bit condescending.

    30. damon — on 12th August, 2009 at 7:37 pm  

      Coruja, I think talking about The Spectator and even Taki is taking it a bit off topic. I hardly ever buy the magazine and usually just browse it and the New Statesman for a few minutes in WH Smith’s.
      If something stands out, I try to rememmber to look it up online.

      Taki is someone I only know about from reputation (and he sounds like a right idiot).

      On Black History Month, I wouldn’t put it like you did.
      As some patronising thing that is granted by the paternalistic ”white man” (of the BBC or whatever).
      It seems to have had a lot of grass roots involvement and support from within the Arican/Caribbean British population: (those that talk publicly about these things anyway).

      My particular concern about it was its politics and the direction that much of the coverage I heard of it.

      That P word that Boris Johnson once used, I don’t think is really the right one to be using here.
      BBC types mean well, and have enough people from the black community encouraging them to take that approach.

      I remember one guy ringing up the radio when they were discussing Black History Month last year. He said he’d gone to high school in Washington DC not so long ago, and when they did Black History Month (he said) that race relations between black and white students became more fraught for a while.
      The lessons taught in school about Black History, were causing some high school students to get a bit more unfriendly to others of a different race.

      I have no idea if that is true. It was a caller ringing into a radio show.

      And can I make clear, I haven’t been defending Rod Liddle too much? It’s just that when I read him, I go looking for anything that might have a ring of truth to it. ‘Could he have a point here or there?” is what I ask my self as I read through an article of his. Or are we all expected to be as ‘right on’ as Polly Toynbee or Yasmin Alibhai-Brown?

      I think that’s asking a lot of average people.

    31. Savablogs — on 18th December, 2009 at 3:46 am  

      This is one in a long line of Liddle's racist comments.

      See below

      Yet another racism row in Britain. Journalist Rod Liddle blames violent crime in London on black men.
      http://www.savablogs.info/2009/12/yet-another-r…

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