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    Rod Liddle tries politics, shows true colours instead


    by Sunny on 8th August, 2009 at 3:40 pm    

    Here is how Rod Liddle’s latest column in the Spectator magazine starts:

    So — Harriet Harman, then. Would you? I mean after a few beers obviously, not while you were sober. The alcohol is sloshing around inside your brain, you’ve enjoyed a post-pub doner kebab together and maybe some grilled halloumi (a woman’s right to cheese) and she suggests, as you stand inside the frowsy minicab office: fancy going south, big boy? (I don’t know for sure that she’d use the term ‘big boy’; this is largely hypothetical stuff, you understand.) Anyway, the husband — Jack — is chilling in their second home in Suffolk, the kids are with their scary godmother Patricia Hewitt and the Peckham pad is free for the night.

    You imagine what might happen, what carnal delights are in store: Harriet fixing up some Moldovan Fairtrade coffee and then back in the living-room minxily slipping out of her stab-vest, the one she tends to wear while in her constituency, while sliding a sultry Joan Armatrading CD on the stereo. Would you? I think you wouldn’t. I think you have more self-respect, a greater sense of self-worth, no matter how much you’ve had to drink. I think you’d make your excuses and leave, just as the first bars of ‘Me Myself I’ strike up. I think you’d do the same with most of the babes who were once, or are now, on the government front bench.

    As you can see, Rod Liddle is a real classy guy, not an ugly, fat, constantly-drunk-looking excuse for a journalist who looks like a homeless person turfed out of a shelter for abusive behaviour. This is the sort of commentary that this country’s top right-wing journal publishes. When he isn’t making up bullshit about immigration, Rod Liddle is trying to talk about politics while actually talking about his sexual fantasies.

    Is this the only way right-wingers can talk about women in politics? The Daily Mail is constantly at it too. Feeling a bit threatened boys? Who needs sexism in other countries when you’ve got it right here in the national press?

    via Anton Vowl, who has fisked more choice words for Liddle Dick.



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    1. Gibbs — on 8th August, 2009 at 4:24 pm  

      “ugly, fat, constantly-drunk-looking …….. who looks like a homeless person turfed out of a shelter for abusive behaviour”.

      If that description gets used often enough - maybe it’ll stick !!!!! Well done !

    2. Frank — on 8th August, 2009 at 4:26 pm  

      Come off it; what about disgusting lefties and Nadine Dorries, or on another plane Maggie Thatcher and in another country Sarah Palin. It won’t wash mate.

    3. Don — on 8th August, 2009 at 4:45 pm  

      Well said, Sunny. If ever there was a proper target for some serious opprobrium, it’s Liddle.

      Frank, logical fallacy. Unless the comments you have in mind were made or tolerated by Sunny then how does their utterance reflect on his condemnation of this piece of nastiness?

    4. Frank — on 8th August, 2009 at 4:55 pm  

      I didn’t think lefties did logic and now I know it.

    5. Don — on 8th August, 2009 at 5:09 pm  

      That’s an answer?

    6. Bearded Socialist — on 8th August, 2009 at 5:22 pm  

      it’s bloody disgusting and pretty bloody weak

    7. Amrit — on 8th August, 2009 at 6:14 pm  

      Feeling a bit threatened boys? Who needs sexism in other countries when you’ve got it right here in the national press?

      Sunny… I love you.

    8. Roger — on 8th August, 2009 at 7:09 pm  

      Does anyone have sexual fantasies about Rod Liddle- including Rod Liddle?

    9. Sunny — on 8th August, 2009 at 7:15 pm  

      Anyone would need a serious shot of horse tranquiliser to find Liddle Dick appealing.

      Frank - nice try but pls don’t waste our time with whataboutery

    10. Ravi Naik — on 8th August, 2009 at 7:22 pm  

      via Anton Vowl, who has fisked more choice words for Liddle Dick.

      I found it amusing that in his fantasy, the woman in question asks him: “fancy going south, big boy?”. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what ails Rob Liddle, and pretty much all his misogynist friends.

    11. Don — on 8th August, 2009 at 7:32 pm  

      Frank, still here? Any chance of an answer on the logic thing? You have a point to make, step up.

    12. marvin — on 8th August, 2009 at 7:56 pm  

      Of course there was a complete absence of vile sexism from the left when Sarah Palin was running for VP…. None of that in the blogs, Guardian and Independent. Oh no….

    13. marvin — on 8th August, 2009 at 8:08 pm  

      I would say “the left” are generally far less gentlemanly when it comes to bitching about their foes. From the across the pond Anne Coulter and Sarah Palin have have had terribly sexist nasty comments about them from so-called lefties.

      As Frank points out a more recent example of Nadine Dorris. Death threats, rape threats. From whom? Vicious political enemies. They would be from “the left”.

      Simply labelling this as whatabouttery will result in a counter labelling of doublestandardsdenialism old chap.

      Rod Liddle is a joker, his pieces are written with tongue in cheek. But it’s harldy terribly demeaning to women, this article. It’s a bit demeaning for Harriet, and I personally don’t like it at all, picking on peoples physical features. I think it’s wrong. But it’s just not in the same ballpark as said examples.

    14. Pat — on 8th August, 2009 at 8:29 pm  

      Marvin & Frank,
      Perhaps you should read this post by one of the contributors here condeming the sexist treatment of Sarah Palin before you come here whatabouting.

      http://clairwil.blogspot.com/2008/10/hello-one-of-hardest-things-about-being.html

    15. Don — on 8th August, 2009 at 8:41 pm  

      marvin, what the hell are you on about, ‘tongue in cheek? It was pathetic juvenile smut, is that journalism now?

      Sexist jibes at Palin were called on this site - including by me - and shown for what they were. And it was her PR which played the glamour card.

    16. Don — on 8th August, 2009 at 8:53 pm  

      As Frank points out a more recent example of Nadine Dorris. Death threats, rape threats. From whom? Vicious political enemies. They would be from “the left”.

      No, they would be from ‘the crazy people’. Who may or may not be dangerous but who are not publishing their grubby fantasies and calling it jounalism. In a publication which claims to be serious.

    17. Amrit — on 8th August, 2009 at 9:27 pm  

      Don - I also love you.

      LMAO @ Ravi.

    18. marvin — on 8th August, 2009 at 9:39 pm  

      Get off your high horse Don, Sunny said “Is this the only way right-wingers can talk about women in politics?” he’s having a dig at all right wingers. As if the left wingers did not viciously attack Palin, Coulter, Dorris, Hirsi Ali in a sexist manner.

      Self-identified lefties give far worse vicious sexism against their political opponents. Far worse. Yes Don, you and others may have personally opposed such sexist language, but other self-identified lefties thought it was fine.

      It was pathetic juvenile smut, is that journalism now?

      Liddle’s piece is derogatory towards Harman and talks about her in a sexist way. He doesn’t use language likely to incite hatred to her, or to womenkind, however.

      But the implication that it’s only right wingers who are sexist and guilty of terrible journalistic standards is poppycock! And this is what I’m taking umbrage with Don.

      The left-wing rag New Statesman’s political editor has referred to non-believers as the ‘kaffir’ and ‘cattle’. Which to my ears is exactly the same kind of offensive language reminiscent of actual or wannabe mass murdering terrorists in this country.

      At least I’m pretty sure which offensive language I’d think is most dangerous. But the one I think is most dangerous in it’s language is the one that was staunchly defended on this very blog. Hmm.

    19. KB Player — on 8th August, 2009 at 10:20 pm  

      Rod Liddle is a joker

      Except he’s not funny.

      I found it amusing that in his fantasy, the woman in question asks him: “fancy going south, big boy?”. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what ails Rob Liddle, and pretty much all his misogynist friends.

      Yeah, all the ladies know why he’s called Liddle Rod.

      See, you don’t have to be a Spectator columnist to make a crude sexual insult.

    20. Ravi Naik — on 8th August, 2009 at 10:26 pm  

      As if the left wingers did not viciously attack Palin, Coulter, Dorris, Hirsi Ali in a sexist manner

      That’s not good enough, Marvin. You must identify these individuals.

    21. Don — on 8th August, 2009 at 10:47 pm  

      I’m … gonna wait until tomorrow

    22. Ravi Naik — on 8th August, 2009 at 10:54 pm  

      Not only identify the individuals, but also link to their articles. Sunny did precisely that.

    23. MaidMarian — on 9th August, 2009 at 12:15 am  

      Nadine Dorries has been attacked because she is a nasty piece of work.

      When it came to expenses, she is also a professional piss-taker who showed that she liked the sound of her own voice.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/17/mps-expenses-nadine-dorries

      The treatment of Palin was dreadful, but that fact that some people are women does not exclude the fact that they are also dreadful at the same time.

      Part of the reaction to this piece rests on the very blithe assumption that ‘political comment’ starts and ends with the talkboard chatterati. If the talkboards had been around in the 1970s and 1980s we would have been having the same debates about Thatcher.

      That the talkboards have allowed people to get their grievances off their chest to a wide audience does not mean that those grievances are novel or legitimate.

    24. damon — on 9th August, 2009 at 12:51 am  

      I was at a football match this afternoon (Crystal Palace v Plymouth Argyle).

      This kind of Rod Liddle stuff I think is pretty harmless. He’s a Millwall fan, and this kind of talk is normal football fan talk.
      It’s BS what he says for sure. I wish I got paid like he does, just for spouting nonsense.

      I wouldn’t read too much into it though. He’s a joker alright - whether he’s funny is a judgement call.

      I wonder if those Palace fans today would be that fussed one way or the other.

    25. KB Player — on 9th August, 2009 at 12:07 pm  

      Get off your high horse Don, Sunny said “Is this the only way right-wingers can talk about women in politics?” he’s having a dig at all right wingers. As if the left wingers did not viciously attack Palin, Coulter, Dorris, Hirsi Ali in a sexist manner.

      The equivalent of the Spectator in the UK is the New Statesman. If Marvin can find a long imaginary sexual encounter between one of the columnists there and a female politico he disapproved of I’d love to read it. This kind of crap happens all the time from the right. I’ve read disgusting stuff about Polly Toynbee being subjected to some kind of sexual humiliation on the likes of Mr Eugenides and The Devil’s Kitchen. They seem incapable of merely pointing out how a particular woman talks garbage, if that’s what they think she says. They have to do the equivalent of the kind of groping and indecent assault suffragettes used to get at public meetings.

    26. Shamit — on 9th August, 2009 at 1:10 pm  

      Rod Liddle assaulted his then pregnant girlfriend in 2005 - and therefore he is a wimp, loser and pathetic excuse for a man.

      Sarah Palin was attacked as badly by many left wing commentators on both sides of the pond — so lets not get on the high horse about the left not doing it.

      Its not a right left thing — its a bunch of losers on both sides who think the only way they can be real men is by abusing women verbally and physically. Usually they also lack the political acumen or eloquence or understanding to debate the issues.

      They are usually bunch of losers and irrespective of how much money they earn or credibility they might have they are losers and sane people on all sides of the political spectrum should call them such — lets not make this a right left thing.

      Its about decency — and there are certain things which are universally wrong and what Rod Little is simply wrong and people from both sides of the political spectrum to condemn it.

    27. Ravi Naik — on 9th August, 2009 at 2:02 pm  

      Sarah Palin was attacked as badly by many left wing commentators on both sides of the pond — so lets not get on the high horse about the left not doing it.

      Shamit, I am not trying to make a point - I really want to know who these Left wing commentators are that you and Marvin keep alluding to. Sarah Palin deserves to be attacked vehemently by her lies and dishonesty (her latest stunt was to say that Obama’s healthcare proposal would kill her disabled son).

      However, we are talking about mainstream media using appalling misogynist language. Let’s name names, and shame these people. Saying the Left does it, doesn’t cut it. Tell me which individuals engage in this sort of writing against Sarah Palin or anyone else, and link to those articles.

      If there is a pattern in the Left, then I want to know. Right now, Sunny is the only one who has identified the perpetrators.

    28. Shatterface — on 9th August, 2009 at 2:09 pm  

      Is wasn’t an article that came out of thin air, this came out at a time when Harman had criticised the government and police’s handling of rape.

      That throws Liddle’s uninvited sexual fantasies into sharper relief.

    29. Shamit — on 9th August, 2009 at 2:19 pm  

      Donna brazille on CNN — she was the campaign manager for gore 2000 - the one who advised Gore to keep clinton away from the campaign -

      It was on situation room about an attack piece on Palin and worse her daughter — Brazille got on TV and said that attacking the daughter was legitimate.

      Sally quinn and maureen dowd on washington post — women questioning whether another woman can balance her home and work life. These were some of the more polite ones.

      I do not agree with Sarah Palin’s politics and I agree only on very broad terms with harman’s politics — but the debate is not about that. The debate is about this kind of behaviour should be condemned -

    30. KB Player — on 9th August, 2009 at 2:25 pm  

      Its not a right left thing — its a bunch of losers on both sides who think the only way they can be real men is by abusing women verbally and physically. Usually they also lack the political acumen or eloquence or understanding to debate the issues.

      I think it is a right/left thing. I think you get far more outspoken sexism on the right than on the left. You just wouldn’t get that kind of Liddle crap in The Guardian or the New Statesman.

      You get other kinds of crap on the left eg calling someone like Ayaan Hirsi Ali an “Uncle Tom”, say, or shouting “racist” at anyone who takes issue with islamism, but that particular kind of sexist crap is a right thing rather than a left one.

    31. Ravi Naik — on 9th August, 2009 at 2:54 pm  

      Shamit - Maureen Dowd is a despised figure from the Left. I do not know who Sally Quinn is, and I would need to read the article you are alluding to.

      As for Donna Brazille - she is a very decent person, and I would be very surprised if she said that attacking anyone’s children is fair game. My feeling is that at that time, some were defending that Sarah Palin’s initiative to oppose sexual education should be countered with the fact that abstinence-only programs do not work, and pointing out her own daughter as an example. And of course there is this.

    32. Rumbold — on 9th August, 2009 at 2:55 pm  

      Rod Liddle. Terrible man, but he does write about football well.

    33. Shamit — on 9th August, 2009 at 3:01 pm  

      may be he should just stick to football then?

    34. Rumbold — on 9th August, 2009 at 3:04 pm  

      Shamit:

      I think that would be best for everyone.



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