The Glen Jenvey saga


by Rumbold
30th July, 2009 at 4:56 pm    

(Much of this is background information)

In January of this year, the Sun alleged that extremist Muslims had drawn up a ‘hit-list’ of prominent British Jews, such as Alan Sugar, and were targeting them because of the Gaza conflict. This story relied on a comment that had been left on the forum ummah.com, in which the commenter, ‘Saladin1970′, called for:

“The names and addresses of Wealthy Zionist Jews can be found in the lists of sponsors and contributors of Zionist Charities… It would be beneficial to start compiling a list so that we can write polite letters reminding them of the injustices of israel and to stop supporting israel.”

What really set the pulses racing was a subsequent comment by another poster, ‘abuislam’, who named three British Jews and called for doorstop protests. ‘Security expert’ Glen Jenvey told the Sun at the time that “those listed should treat it very seriously. Expect a hate campaign and intimidation by 20 or 30 thugs.”

‘Abuislam’ turned out to be a pseudonym though, and the ummah.com administrators cross-referenced his IP address and e-mail only to discover that he was actually using the same IP and e-mail address as a freelance journalist known as Richard Tims. Mr. Tims had posted comments under his own name too, calling for Muslims to sell their ‘Islamic’ stories to a website owned by… Glen Jenvey.

The blogger who discovered this link, Tim Ireland, was subsequently smeared as a paedophile by Glen Jenvey, while his scoop was stolen by Private Eye without crediting him. It took a concerted effort by Tim Ireland to alert supporters of Glen Jenvey, including the Conservative MP Patrick Mercer. Once this was achieved though, Glen Jenvey’s credibility was in tatters, esepcially when his links to a far-right blogger were revealed by the Daily Mail.

Then the situation got even stranger, as Glen Jenvey announced his intention to convert to Islam. Dave Bones discovered that it was speaking to Omar Bakri on the phone that convinced him to convert. Mr. Jenvey has also claimed that he is withdrawing his evidence from the Abu Hamza case, which could result in the collapse of his case. He may even face prosecution if the following is true:

“over the years i have worked along side several intelligence services and will be sharing this secret info with my friends and Muslim Brother.”

But with Glen Jenvey one never knows.


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  1. Golam Murtaza — on 30th July, 2009 at 8:24 pm  

    Jenvey would be one convert the Islamic world could REALLY do without.

  2. fug — on 31st July, 2009 at 12:14 am  

    maybe he is bidding for a special spot in the inevitable quilliam foundation

  3. Andrew — on 31st July, 2009 at 4:55 am  

    Perhaps he’s trying to infiltrate Al-Muhajirun.

  4. Douglas — on 31st July, 2009 at 9:33 am  

    Talk about self-destruction. Looks like MI5 recruitment system is sound as they didn’t ever recruit Jenvey. Wonder why?!?!

  5. fugstar — on 31st July, 2009 at 9:34 am  

    Maybe he needs some mentoring and guidance on how to steer clear of 3rd rate time/energy wasting organisations.

    I know some white rascist muslim groups he can hang out with to nurture himselves.

  6. Sofia — on 31st July, 2009 at 10:14 am  

    sounds like he has some ‘issues’…

  7. Imran Khan — on 31st July, 2009 at 10:57 am  

    Rumbold – Your colleague who has resorted to expletives against me and then has closed the other thread.

    But to explain to you an IP address is fairly meaningless as no company exposes its entire IT systems to the internet. I work for one of the largest IT companies in the world and we look after IT and thus internet access for thousands of other companies. There is no way on earth that would be exposed thus major organisations have a single gateway onto the internet. The reason being if they need to restrict or stop access its done from a single point.

    Most internet traffic is routed offshore and thus most people when they are at work can’t access for example all of the BBC services because they are deemed off site.

    This is why the Police and ISP’s have to maintain complex records to determine who was using what IP at what time and where they visited. Internally in companies and for ISP’s they route traffic using another set of addresses which at a high level is how the internet works.

    I’ve visited websites to move personal files and been told the quota for the ip address is used for that day and yet I haven’t used it!

    Thus Faisal’s assertion based on IP is way out.

    If someone said something and you needed to trace it then you’d have to ask the ISP and/or company to trace further and not just on IP.

    I am a bit fed up with this as all I asked for was the responder to behave in a civil manner which his editorial friends refused to enforce and instead slandered me.

    I hope that explains a bit more but the accusations are nonsense and IP alone can’t be used to determine a person’s ID which is why the police employ so many IT Experts to trace who is doing what due to IP reuse and which is why they wanted longer than 30 days to hold suspects so they can do traces. If it was as easy as you think then they would be able to pinpoint people as they have their own IP.

    As I said my company supplies IT services worldwide and is huge and they have limited gateways out for anything they run. At any single time hundreds of thousands of people could be using the same address block which they then route for individuals.

    I don’t think this site is welcoming if you are religious and less so if you are Muslim. The level of abuse is not based upon debate and discussion but reduced to slurs to drive people off. The number of Muslims who have given up and left testifies to this.

    The fact that Munir was banned and on occassion provoked by people like Celtlord who is not banned speaks volumes.

    The selective nature of applying editorial policy and allowing friends to be abusive isn’t fair policy and telling people to f off who don’t like this is well similar to the very blogs which are being exposed for hysteria.

    Its a shame as I quite liked discussing here but I don’t see why I should have to put up with abusive behaviour and false accusations.

    Regards.

  8. Ravi Naik — on 31st July, 2009 at 11:38 am  

    I don’t think this site is welcoming if you are religious and less so if you are Muslim. The level of abuse is not based upon debate and discussion but reduced to slurs to drive people off. The number of Muslims who have given up and left testifies to this.
    The fact that Munir was banned and on occassion provoked by people like Celtlord who is not banned speaks volumes.

    Sorry, Imran, but you know very well that Munir didn’t need people to provoke him – as Jai documented quite well, he engaged in odious comments and he was warned several times.

  9. Imran Khan — on 31st July, 2009 at 11:54 am  

    Ravi – “Sorry, Imran, but you know very well that Munir didn’t need people to provoke him – as Jai documented quite well, he engaged in odious comments and he was warned several times.”

    Agreed but he was also on occasions provoked by CeltLord who is still posting.

    Look I didn’t provoke Shamit but because he is friends with editorial staff then he has been allowed to get away free with his ongoing abuse of me and indeed some of the editorial staff have joined in.

    I can’t bothered with this. Its there for everyone to see.

    Shamit claims he loves this country and I don’t and I can f off without any evidence and yet what does he know what my family have done for this country which is a lot including service in conflict. So why I should take that nonsense?

  10. Shamit — on 31st July, 2009 at 12:10 pm  

    Shamit never asked you to leave the country. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

    http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/5336#comment-173590

    Read the comment number 148 in the immigration thread.

    Read the comment number 169

    It was not against you and it was against those who choose to live in this country yet do not wish to be part of the mainstream society. As I think that plays into the hands of the far right.

    And I have always been for equal rights and equal responsibilities for everyone. You have been maligning me from yesterday evening — and like a true hypocrite using truth sparingly as to my arguments.

    You have claimed in some of your posts that I hate Muslims and I abuse them regularly. I abuse you for being a hypocrite and not a Muslim.

    And I did not say you do not love your country — I said those who do not and yet want to live here — they can fuck off and I stand by that.

    I hate religious nutters and I stand by that too — as they caused nothing but grief everywhere — starting from the evangelical nutters in the US to the pathologicqal liars in the Madrassah’s in Pakistan to those hindu God men who believe their way is the only way. Or the stupidity of the Catholic church.

    I have a strong faith in God but that is a personal belief as faith should be. I do resent the way you have tried to paint PP as islamophobe and tried to make me out to be one. None of those are true.

    If Leon, Rumbold consider me a friend — I feel privileged. But I would not abuse that privilege like you suggest I do. And I come on PP because I have a lot of friends here and I enjoy discussing various issues which also help me with my work.

    And, just to make a point — I have utmost respect for many of our Muslim commentators such as Halima, Golam Mortaza, Sofia, Sonia (even though I do not agree with her many times) and others. I just don’t have any time for self appointed community representatives and their moral highground when they have none.

    I hope this puts an end to this little obsession of yours.

  11. Shamit — on 31st July, 2009 at 12:13 pm  

    Editors please –

    guys someone really needs to fix the edit function

  12. Imran Khan — on 31st July, 2009 at 12:27 pm  

    “I abuse you for being a hypocrite and not a Muslim. ”

    You don’t know me and you don’t know what I do so how can you label me a hypocrite which is largely based on your links to Faisal.

    Any Muslim who does not agree with his narrow definition of a progressive Muslim was subject to harsh comments and you’ve continued in that vein.

    If you don’t like me don’t talk to me but there is no need to be abusive and the fact you receive ongoing protection even after admitting it says a lot for your guards.

    If people are asked to explain their religion then they shouldn’t be subject to abuse from you and I never claimed I was a community leader let alone self appointed. I do my best to help everyone and please my creator and I don’t appreciate you slandering me when you don’t know me.

    You are in the wrong and you know it. The way to built an inclusive society has never been to tell people to f off, to slander people and act as if you know best. Thats the approach the far right use on ethnics.

  13. Imran Khan — on 31st July, 2009 at 12:45 pm  

    “I hope this puts an end to this little obsession of yours.”

    I don’t have an obsession its you that keeps hounding me and other Muslims who answer questions about faith. The people you claim to like are mainly those that agree with your viewpoint so its no suprise.

    You can disagree with people in a civil manner but you sole aim is to drive people off which is obsessive to the point that anything will do as long as they leave.

  14. Shamit — on 31st July, 2009 at 1:04 pm  

    Our office phone numbers had to be taken off our website due to the number of idiotic phone calls we were getting from BNP supporters this week and I got called a Muslim hater because I strive for a secular society. I must be doing something right.

    Funny, the BNP guy told a colleague that we are creating an environment for cultural Muslim invasion and guess what we told him on the speaker phone F off —

    And that goes for anyone who calls me a Muslim hater. Also when someone is obsessed with nothing but the Muslim identity and views the world from that perspecitve primarily – go through all the threads — and then claim they are for better community relations and understanding — I got one word – HYPOCRITE.

    I am not in the wrong and I stand by my assertions and I still resent you trying to imply that I hate Muslims – just because I abuse you.

    If you did not know well buddy — I really cannot hate Muslims — one gave birth to me. But I guess she is not a proper Muslim as she married a Hindu guy. Better not say anything about that one — because then I will rip you apart and I will forget all civilities.

  15. jack R — on 31st July, 2009 at 2:47 pm  

    I think the main supporter of Glen Jenvey was Patrick Mercer and I also think that Mercer was aware of the allegations against Tim Ireland, because Ireland was having great difficulty contacting, Mr Mercer via normal channels indeed it wasn’t until Ireland obtained Patrick Mercer’s private phone number that communication was eventually made.

    I’m afraid I don’t agree with you that on one side, stand all the bigots who hate,despise and look down on others based on their race,religion and nationality.

    I have known some Asian Britons that have become part of our culture and are benevolent people but that sort of decent folk is not the same thing when compared to devout Muslims full of the ways of Islam, Allah and Muhammad. I would happily support one and bitterly oppose the other and because of that you would likely regard me to be a bigot but I don’t think my beliefs are unreasonable or uncommon.

    Judge Ian Trigger recently said hundreds of thousands of immigrants come to Britain just to get welfare benefits and that the cost of the handouts has helped to double the national debt. He said there are literally hundreds and hundreds of thousands of such immigrants that come to these shores to avail themselves of the welfare benefits and that the Government has wasted billions of pounds. Naturally, the indigenous people of this country look down on them and resent them for the large financial burden that helped to double the national debt. This is not racial bigotry.

    Whose side am I on? The side of whoever can oust devout Muslims chanting Islam is the future of the UK and the side of whoever can free us of feeling, that we the indigenous population, are the foreigners in our own country.

    It’s not anti-immigration hysteria, it’s self-preservation and a natural instinctive reaction.

  16. Imran Khan — on 31st July, 2009 at 2:50 pm  

    “. Also when someone is obsessed with nothing but the Muslim identity and views the world from that perspecitve primarily – go through all the threads — and then claim they are for better community relations and understanding — I got one word – HYPOCRITE.”
    You really are full of yourself. Most people have a world view through their religion or their origin. When people of other religions do it and say they are building better community relations you don’t call them a hypocrite but a Muslim can’t do this which makes you what?

    You full of nonsense and I don’t see any point in discussing with someone who lacks basic manners for discussion.

    “If you did not know well buddy — I really cannot hate Muslims — one gave birth to me.”
    What does that prove? You still have a chip on your shoulder against Muslims and in comes through well.

    “But I guess she is not a proper Muslim as she married a Hindu guy.”
    That doesn’t have anything to do with me and you are just trying to play a sympathy card badly.

    I worked with a guy who wasn’t Muslim and married a Muslim lady and I didn’t say anything to him so why would I want to say something about a lady I don’t even know?

    This illustrates the games you are playing.

  17. Adnan — on 31st July, 2009 at 3:04 pm  

    “Naturally, the indigenous people of this country look down on them and resent them for the large financial burden that helped to double the national debt.”

    Feckin’ bankers!

  18. Shamit — on 31st July, 2009 at 3:22 pm  

    When people of other religions do it and say they are building better community relations you don’t call them a hypocrite

    If their world view is dominated by their religious perspective — I do say it to them. You should see how I behaved and still behave with some Hindus. And more importantly how do you know this?

    but a Muslim can’t do this which makes you what?”

    I never said anything specifically about Muslims just deranged ones as yourself

    You still have a chip on your shoulder against Muslims and in comes through well.

    Or may be anyone who calls on your deluded self justification has got a chip on his shoulders – and how do you equate attacking you is attacking Islam or Muslims? That’s why I call you self appointed community leader — What you the representative of all Muslims – yeah right!!!

    The person I respect most is a Muslim — so stop peddling this stupid crap.

    But we are derailing a thread — and I have had enough of your obsessive behaviour.

    Most people have a world view through their religion or their origin.

    I disagree – while those do influence I think education, reading and travelling and meeting people from different backgrounds and interaction have a lot to do with it – well at least for intelligent people. I don’t know what thick people do. But you should know.

    And I am going to keep on baiting you — everytime you say anything about me hating Muslims — I am going to bait you and show you up for a thicko you are.. So go on cry baby. Complain to Leon now..run along now….big bad evil Shamit is mean to me.

  19. Imran Khan — on 31st July, 2009 at 4:04 pm  

    “If their world view is dominated by their religious perspective — I do say it to them. You should see how I behaved and still behave with some Hindus. And more importantly how do you know this?”

    Because when other people do it here you don’t normally say a word unless they are Muslim. Go through discussions on say Israel/Palestine and you always have a go at the Muslims.

    “Or may be anyone who calls on your deluded self justification has got a chip on his shoulders – and how do you equate attacking you is attacking Islam or Muslims? That’s why I call you self appointed community leader — What you the representative of all Muslims – yeah right!!!”

    I didn’t say attacking me was attacking Islam – thats just you twisting things.

    “The person I respect most is a Muslim — so stop peddling this stupid crap.”

    So you respect a few doesn’t prove anything. Its like the old line after criticising ethnics people say oh some of my friends are ethnic.

    “I am going to bait you and show you up for a thicko you are.. So go on cry baby. Complain to Leon now..run along now….big bad evil Shamit is mean to me.”
    Ah how nice that you can hide behind Leon.

    All this abuse shows the selective editorial policy of leon does exist and the fact you are allowed to carry on being abusive is evidence of the selective approach. Munir was warned and banned and you are given immunity from anything.

    There is nothing stopping you being civil and discussing issues but the fact you won’t and the fact you are allowed to get away with it speaks volumes about your manners and the selective editorial policy.

    I didn’t say you were big and bad, you are the type who acts macho behind a keyboard.

  20. Sofia — on 31st July, 2009 at 4:12 pm  

    Adnan..don’t you mean ‘bucking fankers’?

  21. Shamit — on 31st July, 2009 at 4:33 pm  

    heh — now this is becoming amusing.

    Oh yeah I did cuss Hamas and Hezbollah – two notorious bunch of thugs who would use the blood of their own people to seek glory.

    And I also always talked about Israeli overkill — which I think is stupid too.

    By the way, I also had a massive go at LTTE – the tamil tigers – they were mostly hindu.

    I also had a go at the Catholic Church for excommunicating a 9 year old girl who was raped and impregnated by her step father – and who had an abortion.

    And by the way you have been actually maligning me saying I am against Muslims since last evening and questioning my behaviour and accusing me of using my mother as a sympathy card. And then you accuse my behaviour is abusive.

    Well now you know why I call you a hypocrite — you are just giving me more and more ammo. Are you really this thick?

    But from this moment on — I would desist from make anymore comments. So feel free cry baby.

  22. Imran Khan — on 31st July, 2009 at 4:43 pm  

    “And I also always talked about Israeli overkill — which I think is stupid too.”

    No no you claimed if their world view was dominated by such things then you’d criticise them also. Fine claim but now its been shifted to talk about.

    Their world view in some cases has been dominated by Israel a state thousands of miles away and you haven’t had a go at them like you have at me. So your claim is nonsense.

    Show me where you had a go in the same vein you have attacked me. Talking is different.

    Seth Freedman sums up well today:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/31/israel-british-jewish-community

    Now he is tackling the issue. But you don’t do the same which highlights that you approach Muslims in a different way to others.

    “And then you accuse my behaviour is abusive.”
    How is that abusive when you threw it in yourself. I haven’t called you names in the manner and as frequently as you have called me.

    Civil debate is easy enough but clearly your manners are lacking and for one who claims Britishness to avoid simple manners is more foreign than British.

    “Well now you know why I call you a hypocrite — you are just giving me more and more ammo. Are you really this thick? ”
    I suggest you discuss with your parents about civility and how to discuss with people. I am sure they didn’t bring you up like this.

    “But from this moment on — I would desist from make anymore comments. So feel free cry baby.”
    Are you going to get your boyz Leon and Rumbold to ban me?

  23. Shamit — on 31st July, 2009 at 5:00 pm  

    “Are you going to get your boyz Leon and Rumbold to ban me?”

    I would do no such thing. I don’t think it is fair to question their integrity and believe me, if I suggested anything of the sort you think I would– I would get publicly and privately rebuked.

    Sunny and the entire editorial team does this without getting paid and all of us who use this excellent forum should have our grateful thanks.

  24. Shamit — on 31st July, 2009 at 5:02 pm  

    I meant:

    Sunny and the entire editorial team does this without getting paid and all of us who use this excellent forum
    and they should have our grateful thanks. And if my behaviour should in no way reflect on them.

    Editors – edit function please….can we please have it back – please please please

  25. Edna Welthorpe — on 31st July, 2009 at 5:09 pm  

    #23

    Lies! We all know Sunny is well rewarded by his Zionist masters and probably MI5 and maybe also the Giant Lizards who painted the weird New International Order murals at Denver International Airport.

    Talking of being paid, here’s a – probably – true story going the rounds:

    When the first bunch of whities were being checked out for employment with Al Jazeera, the question of salaries inevitably came up and one interviewee quite sensibly said “Well, the Qatari currency is tied to the U.S. dollar and our financial obligations are in sterling but, you know, we could perhaps take a portion of our wages in 100-gram or 10-tolas [116-gram] 24-carat gold bars from the gold souk.”

    The legend, still repeated, then became that these appalling haughty kuffar foreigners had demanded payment in gold bars!

  26. Rumbold — on 31st July, 2009 at 6:23 pm  

    Imran Khan and Shamit:

    Okay- you can each have one more comment on the subject. Any further comments on the subject will be deleted. We are not even close to banning either of you, and do our best not to take sides.

  27. Shamit — on 31st July, 2009 at 6:37 pm  

    Rumbold

    I have stopped making comments on the topic at 4:33 pm and the last one was just to say that I was not going to ask anyone to ban Imran.

    And that if i did so, all of you would rightly rebuke me in public as well as privately.

    And further, I do not expect you or anyone here or in the editorial team to take sides.

  28. Rumbold — on 31st July, 2009 at 6:43 pm  

    Oh I didn’t think you did want us to ban anyone Shamit. I just wanted to end something that wasn’t going anywhere.

  29. Shamit — on 31st July, 2009 at 6:48 pm  

    Oh please please please don’t ban me…. I beg you all– sob sob sob. I am so sorry for my truant behaviour and calling it as I see it. I will never speak the truth again.

    Is that better?

  30. Shamit — on 31st July, 2009 at 6:49 pm  

    i am just in a frivolous mood — so just ignore me. I cant do the smileyon this computer currently — but would have done so on the last post.

    It was A JOKE FOLKS

  31. douglas clark — on 31st July, 2009 at 6:49 pm  

    Rumbold,

    What a strange tale. One could almost say that, at first blush, Mr Jenvey had been trying to manipulate the media, couldn’t you?

  32. Imran Khan — on 31st July, 2009 at 6:58 pm  

    Rumbold – “Okay- you can each have one more comment on the subject. Any further comments on the subject will be deleted. We are not even close to banning either of you, and do our best not to take sides.”

    Look all I asked was that you step in and stop the abuse being directed at me personally and he can comment in a civil manner. That led to a further torrent of abuse including being called a w–ker by Leon which went by unquestioned and was taking sides; questioned on my ID by you which I ended having to explain networking to you and various other expletives. Thats hardly a fair way to treat people.

    I seriously doubt I’ll be commenting much here because if you can’t ask your friends to be civil then its just a torrent of abuse and not meaningful discussion. I enjoy the meaningful discussion but a number of Muslims have been driven away from here before by the same approach and I just can’t see it stopping.

    Shamit made grandiose claims about challenging all people with a narrow world view and the first one he was asked to show he had – he failed to and that should have been enough to show the approach was also unfair.

    Regards,

  33. douglas clark — on 31st July, 2009 at 8:44 pm  

    Imran Khan,

    I’d be sorry to see you stop posting here. I don’t always agree with you, but I do always read what you have to say. Sometimes I think you get the better of the arguement, sometimes not. Isn’t that the nature of a discussion?

    It is often extremely difficult to persuade people you are not just here for the arguement.

    I hope Sunny will not see this as a breach of confidence, for I tell it against myself, not him.

    I tend to compose as I go on here, changing stuff even I disagree with. Not so long ago I ended up posting half a thought.

    I ‘pm-ed’ Sunny pleading with him to take it down.

    He wrote back, rather urbanely I thought and said:

    “Which one?”

    This is a really transient media and that was a good lesson for me.

    ‘Cause by the time Sunnys’ reply arrived, y’know what? I couldn’t tell which load of tosh I’d written was the guilty party.

    I think both you and Shamit have much to contribute.

  34. Rumbold — on 31st July, 2009 at 8:57 pm  

    Douglas:

    I think that Glen Jenvey was trying to manipulate the media- he just didn’t have much success (after Tim Ireland and others stepped in).

    Imran Khan:

    Look, we would miss you if you left Pickled Politics. You are a valuable contributor. We are not protecting, or trying to protect Shamit. You and he exchanged some harsh words- that is all.

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