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	<title>Comments on: Asians on the Tory &#8216;A list&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Kanti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from the A list, there are 16 Asian PPC selected .
 Eric Ollerneshaw to head Cities and Diversity is the guy to watch out, from local elections on 4th May, from 12 Asian Tories in London Councils we now have 41 Tories councillors!. The London tory gains in Ealing, Croydon, Harrow is on the back Asian councillors. Eric has worked his magic and its Labour who will now need to show they have Asian PPC in the general election.

The first round goes to the Tories......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from the A list, there are 16 Asian PPC selected .<br />
 Eric Ollerneshaw to head Cities and Diversity is the guy to watch out, from local elections on 4th May, from 12 Asian Tories in London Councils we now have 41 Tories councillors!. The London tory gains in Ealing, Croydon, Harrow is on the back Asian councillors. Eric has worked his magic and its Labour who will now need to show they have Asian PPC in the general election.</p>
<p>The first round goes to the Tories&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sajn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sajn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 12:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What precisely is the good part of imposing brown faced candidates upon the Tory party? Does it show that they have changed at the roots? If so why the need to impose candidates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What precisely is the good part of imposing brown faced candidates upon the Tory party? Does it show that they have changed at the roots? If so why the need to impose candidates?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 14:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, and we love you for it Sonia.</description>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 13:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course I am an anarchist after all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course I am an anarchist after all</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 13:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes it seemed for a while when they talked about direct democracy and cameron and the green thing. then i heard cameron&#039;s statement about backing this silly campaign the Sun&#039;s cooked up re: blaming the human rights act.

tainted politics as always!

if anything another loud wake-up call - the system is Fucked - the party politics system is crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes it seemed for a while when they talked about direct democracy and cameron and the green thing. then i heard cameron&#8217;s statement about backing this silly campaign the Sun&#8217;s cooked up re: blaming the human rights act.</p>
<p>tainted politics as always!</p>
<p>if anything another loud wake-up call &#8211; the system is Fucked &#8211; the party politics system is crap.</p>
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		<title>By: leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new Tories are more tolerable than the old hard right lot. Time will tell if their new found interest in social justice will survive into government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Tories are more tolerable than the old hard right lot. Time will tell if their new found interest in social justice will survive into government.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 16:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tories are alright. They are overly demonised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tories are alright. They are overly demonised.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m developing a bad habit of hobnobbing with the Tories these days, and they keep asking me to join the dark side. Not good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m developing a bad habit of hobnobbing with the Tories these days, and they keep asking me to join the dark side. Not good.</p>
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		<title>By: justforfun</title>
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		<dc:creator>justforfun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonia - I don&#039;t believe your so niave to believe the label on the tin , especially when it comes to politicians :-) The Conservative Party is a Party which exists to win and wield power.   It has survived centuries because it changes its views to suit the requirements of the day, which is in itself not a bad thing.   Blair saw that Old Labour, which was a ideological party, was no longer electable as its ideology had been overtaken by events, so he made it Conservative Lite to grab the centre ground.  Now Cameron is creating a second Conservative Lite to try and do the same.  

I have voted for all parties as I never vote for the party in power, and I have been know to vote twice - aghh - can a lawyer tell be what the Statue of Limitations is on voting twice?  Just so I can sleep well in my bed :-)  

Justforfun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia &#8211; I don&#8217;t believe your so niave to believe the label on the tin , especially when it comes to politicians <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  The Conservative Party is a Party which exists to win and wield power.   It has survived centuries because it changes its views to suit the requirements of the day, which is in itself not a bad thing.   Blair saw that Old Labour, which was a ideological party, was no longer electable as its ideology had been overtaken by events, so he made it Conservative Lite to grab the centre ground.  Now Cameron is creating a second Conservative Lite to try and do the same.  </p>
<p>I have voted for all parties as I never vote for the party in power, and I have been know to vote twice &#8211; aghh &#8211; can a lawyer tell be what the Statue of Limitations is on voting twice?  Just so I can sleep well in my bed <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Justforfun</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i suppose i should address my question to rishi then! i don&#039;t find it surprising that any young person would want to stand for parliament - but for the conservatives! just the whole conservatism thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i suppose i should address my question to rishi then! i don&#8217;t find it surprising that any young person would want to stand for parliament &#8211; but for the conservatives! just the whole conservatism thing.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks..</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rishi Saha

http://www.conservativefuture.com/cfpeople/profile.cfm?obj_id=90697</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rishi Saha</p>
<p><a href="http://www.conservativefuture.com/cfpeople/profile.cfm?obj_id=90697" rel="nofollow">http://www.conservativefuture.com/cfpeople/profile.cfm?obj_id=90697</a></p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who&#039;s rishi?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who&#8217;s rishi?</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rishi, lot of good points there. i can certainly see how the asian dynamic is &lt;em&gt;changing&gt;&lt;/em&gt;. however..( unless the nomenclature is pointless and the conservatives need to rename themselves)isn&#039;t the idea of the Conservatives related to ..um.. conservatism..trying to keep things as they were. so its quite amusingly ironic. still granted they&#039;re trying all sorts of things to get votes, but unless they&#039;re going to radically change things and get rid of the conservative in the Conservatives - its all pretty crap really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rishi, lot of good points there. i can certainly see how the asian dynamic is <em>changing&gt;</em>. however..( unless the nomenclature is pointless and the conservatives need to rename themselves)isn&#8217;t the idea of the Conservatives related to ..um.. conservatism..trying to keep things as they were. so its quite amusingly ironic. still granted they&#8217;re trying all sorts of things to get votes, but unless they&#8217;re going to radically change things and get rid of the conservative in the Conservatives &#8211; its all pretty crap really.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rishi

Thanks - and yes well done, it was wonderfully objective!

I tend to agree with you on everything you say, and just by personal anecdote also find that Asians of the 2nd and 3rd generation (not the 1st generation sergeant major golf playing Asian Tory stereotype) are increasingly voting for the Conservatives - and the point you make about how the values of the Tories can be seen as being almost a natural home for upwardly mobile middle class British Asians is a good one too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rishi</p>
<p>Thanks &#8211; and yes well done, it was wonderfully objective!</p>
<p>I tend to agree with you on everything you say, and just by personal anecdote also find that Asians of the 2nd and 3rd generation (not the 1st generation sergeant major golf playing Asian Tory stereotype) are increasingly voting for the Conservatives &#8211; and the point you make about how the values of the Tories can be seen as being almost a natural home for upwardly mobile middle class British Asians is a good one too.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah leon - perhaps he&#039;s going down the eco-fascist route.

this syed kamall fellow - phooey, looks like a conventional businessy type to me.

given labour&#039;s got a pretty crap reputation, i still can&#039;t see why anyone would join the &lt;em&gt;conservative&lt;/em&gt;
party. 

why would anyone want to be conservative rather than a liberal/progressive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah leon &#8211; perhaps he&#8217;s going down the eco-fascist route.</p>
<p>this syed kamall fellow &#8211; phooey, looks like a conventional businessy type to me.</p>
<p>given labour&#8217;s got a pretty crap reputation, i still can&#8217;t see why anyone would join the <em>conservative</em><br />
party. </p>
<p>why would anyone want to be conservative rather than a liberal/progressive!</p>
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		<title>By: Rishi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, I think one of the most interesting themes of British politics today is the kind of political choice exercised by 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants - people like myself and, I&#039;m guessing, many of those on this site.

Anecdotal evidence would suggest that many of our parents and grandparents voted routinely for the Labour Party (I know mine did) - this is probably because when they entered this country they were part of the working class block that used to define Labour&#039;s core support, and overwhelmingly lived in Labour constituencies. And to their credit, certain politicians on the Left have been effective at community outreach - Keith Vaz is a prime example.

However, the past 20 years has seen an incredible explosion of social mobility within certain sections of the BME community (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4434146.stm). As such, those old tribal allegiances have changed as increasing numbers of British Asians and members of the Afro-Caribbean community become part of the so-called aspirational and affluent middle classes, i.e. the kind of people who have traditionally formed the bedrock of Conservative support.

2nd and 3rd generation immigrants will increasingly make political decisions based on the same criteria as everyone else in the country - the economy, health, education etc. I&#039;ve personally never subscribed to the theory that anymore than a handful of people vote according to some arbitrary ethnic criteria (whatever that may be), as opposed to &#039;bread &amp; butter&#039; issues. 

I do think, however, that the kind of immigrant values many of us have inherited - a high propensity for entrepreneurship and a belief in smaller government amongst many others - sit most comfortably within the politics of the centre-right. On that basis, and given the emergence of a more &#039;small l&#039; liberal conservative leader in David Cameron who is naturally at-ease with the diversity of Britain today, I believe more Asians will start voting Conservative.

Jay, I hope that analysis is objective enough for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, I think one of the most interesting themes of British politics today is the kind of political choice exercised by 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants &#8211; people like myself and, I&#8217;m guessing, many of those on this site.</p>
<p>Anecdotal evidence would suggest that many of our parents and grandparents voted routinely for the Labour Party (I know mine did) &#8211; this is probably because when they entered this country they were part of the working class block that used to define Labour&#8217;s core support, and overwhelmingly lived in Labour constituencies. And to their credit, certain politicians on the Left have been effective at community outreach &#8211; Keith Vaz is a prime example.</p>
<p>However, the past 20 years has seen an incredible explosion of social mobility within certain sections of the BME community (see <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4434146.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4434146.stm</a>). As such, those old tribal allegiances have changed as increasing numbers of British Asians and members of the Afro-Caribbean community become part of the so-called aspirational and affluent middle classes, i.e. the kind of people who have traditionally formed the bedrock of Conservative support.</p>
<p>2nd and 3rd generation immigrants will increasingly make political decisions based on the same criteria as everyone else in the country &#8211; the economy, health, education etc. I&#8217;ve personally never subscribed to the theory that anymore than a handful of people vote according to some arbitrary ethnic criteria (whatever that may be), as opposed to &#8216;bread &amp; butter&#8217; issues. </p>
<p>I do think, however, that the kind of immigrant values many of us have inherited &#8211; a high propensity for entrepreneurship and a belief in smaller government amongst many others &#8211; sit most comfortably within the politics of the centre-right. On that basis, and given the emergence of a more &#8216;small l&#8217; liberal conservative leader in David Cameron who is naturally at-ease with the diversity of Britain today, I believe more Asians will start voting Conservative.</p>
<p>Jay, I hope that analysis is objective enough for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 13:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, anyone that pisses off Melanie Phillips is to be applauded in my opinion.

Rishi - cheers for that, have added her now. 

&lt;i&gt;Labour is too smug these days and has pandered to communalist sentiment in some parts of country&lt;/i&gt;

Jay I think Sonia means she wants the word &#039;communalist&#039; defined as you use it.

Martin - oh really. Is that person not on the CH list? Would you mind emailing me their name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, anyone that pisses off Melanie Phillips is to be applauded in my opinion.</p>
<p>Rishi &#8211; cheers for that, have added her now. </p>
<p><i>Labour is too smug these days and has pandered to communalist sentiment in some parts of country</i></p>
<p>Jay I think Sonia means she wants the word &#8216;communalist&#8217; defined as you use it.</p>
<p>Martin &#8211; oh really. Is that person not on the CH list? Would you mind emailing me their name?</p>
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		<title>By: leon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 12:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Sonia, yep I agree I was thinking the same thing about Camerons strategy when I heard the Human Rights thing. Perhaps he&#039;s banking on the idea that not all those concerned with enviroment consider HR as important?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Sonia, yep I agree I was thinking the same thing about Camerons strategy when I heard the Human Rights thing. Perhaps he&#8217;s banking on the idea that not all those concerned with enviroment consider HR as important?</p>
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		<title>By: leon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 12:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;BTW Leon, I decided not to put myself forward for the candidates list - am focussing on getting more work &amp; political experience over the next few years instead.&quot;

Hey Rishi, good to see you on here again. Understood, did wonder given you&#039;re experience in running for an election I thought you&#039;d make an ideal choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;BTW Leon, I decided not to put myself forward for the candidates list &#8211; am focussing on getting more work &amp; political experience over the next few years instead.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey Rishi, good to see you on here again. Understood, did wonder given you&#8217;re experience in running for an election I thought you&#8217;d make an ideal choice.</p>
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