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It is paradise he wants. But history has shown that religious people are not alone in demanding their own version of utopia, and willing to kill others to get there.

“The hamitic theory (prominent during colonialism) was used to justify slavery among Christians.”

Actually it was an improvement on the previous attitude. Slavery for most of human history was accepted as pefectly normal and acceptable. There was no moral objection to making someone a slave. There might be personal objections, but that’s another matter. Thinking that slavery needed justification and that not every one was fair game for slavery was an improvement. In fact, the change in attitude from what had been the accepted custom from time immemorial to regarding slavery as absolutely wrong was astonishingly quick. It was less than a hundred years from the first anti-slavery campaigners to the abolition of slavery throughout the Britih empire.

Now, what are you “deeply offended” about?

I’d be happy to respond once you have covered the points I raised specifically related to Hirsi.

It is remarkable how many references there are to Hirsi Ali as a beautiful woman. I agree with these men (?), don’t get me wrong but why is that important? It’s very rare to see such a comment for a man. Does it contribute to her authority?…

Can you explain to me why you were “deeply offended” though?

Havent you noticed in the discourse that Muslims are only motivated by their religion. On the one hand it is hopeful, so long as they are correct, but on the other hand it is uncharacteristic of human nature.

The hamitic theory (prominent during colonialism) was used to justify slavery among Christians. Because of Ham’s (father of black/African ) sin, by seeing his father( Noah’s) nakedness, he was cursed to be his brothers servant (slave).

I could very easily decide from your language, accusations and peristence here and quite a few other boards that you are bigot.

As for burning people – you don’t give the impression that you would be unhappy burning muslims with flamethrowers.

On Hirsi look again what I wrote and explain to me how you justify your comment to me.

Haha! Isn’t it Einstein who said there are no limits to the imagination and human stupidity? I’ve always loved that quote.

Another point that Robert Sharp made above:

“We need the BNP”

Hmm. This is very realpolitik.

Kind of. Guru Nanak, founder of Sikhism, said that without hardship life would be like a dream (or something to that effect). The BNP are evil, but a necessary evil just so we know what the boundaries of evil are.

If you are going to take the rational route, which we actually should, then here is the thing: sacred books have contradictions, factual errors and are ambigious.

Remember when I said that we interpret the Bible according to our beliefs?

There is a christian church in the US which has a neat interpretation of the Bible. In the Genesis, God created Adam and Eve (which happen to be aryan). Both of them had Abel. Eve was seduced by the devil (snake) and they had Cain. The descendants of Abel are the true aryan folk. The descendants of Cain are the jews (ouch). And what about us black, brown and yellow folk? We are the descendants of the beasts that God created with the rest of the animals.

You got to love human diversity and imagination.

Well I can’t disagree with you there! Yvonne Ridley though… ewww makes me shudder