That’s an interesting link you gave at 104. Dalrymple does seem to hit the nail on the head.

Munir wants to sue now and that too for offensive remarks or insinuating he might be a bit “cracked” up there. Wow – could there be a better example of delusion?

Munir is very intelligent obviously. Yet his actions are nothing but malevolent manifestations of his deluded thinking. Now, when an intelligent person continues to act in a unwarranted malevolent manner while claiming a higher moral ground – you could either conclude a)these are deliberate and hence very offensive or b) he is crazy.

Jail chose (b)- and could it be he was being too polite and generous?

Saying that when Munir chooses to he is brilliant and one of the more articulate commentators – but those moments are very few and far between.

You also state that I am mentally ill/disturbed (perhaps I could sue you for this).

Go ahead, “Munir”. It would entail you having to come out of the closet and divulging your real name & identity to the public, with the associated scrutiny from the national media along with lawyers, doctors, and the police — and given the extensive history of your behaviour and assertions on this website, particularly in relation to Jews, Hindus and Sikhs, that is where things would get really interesting.

You also state that I am mentally ill/disturbed (perhaps I could sue you for this).

That’s characteristically litigious of you “munir”.

Will you be using Carter Ruck to represent you this time again?

Sorry to break it to you Jai but saying things against the Sikh Gurus isn’t against the law. Even the fruity language I have used was simply responding to how people addresses Muslims. Can I sue them?

Your notion I be done for incitement to hatred is beyond laughable. Jai posts on PP have actually called for the genocide of Muslims in the UK! Perhaps we can get Douglas Clark for his Muslim man comment, dashenka for his her astonishing anti-Muslim rants, marvin for condemn the BBC for employing a Muslim , common humanist for using the racist term for Pakistani etc etc. Colin Brown made some shockingly racist comments about Asians, Jennifer Smith etc (yes folks forget Stormfront or the BNP site PP is the centre of race hate in the UK)

Or maybe you could take me to a Sharia court

I have been posting here since Feb 2009 and PP has never deigned to ban me or delete my oh so inciting posts- perhaps they have legal liability for this Jai?

Perhaps I can point to your posts praising me as defence, or the fact you more than anyone have engaged in lengthy debates with me and thus share responsibility for “encouraging me” in my hideous crimes. Or your nasty obsession with finding out my personal details/racial background?

Your using the analogy of Anjem Choudhury is stupid (when I have said anything remotely like he has?) – since even given his atrocious comments he has never been convicted of anything ! Likewise the other individuals mentioned

It shows the same detachment from reality you displayed in your BNP questions where you suggested the US would start a nuclear war with Britain (entailing Armageddon) if the BNP were elected, or nobody would trade with Britain.

Jai recommend you trawl some of the blogs- people call openly for the killing of Muslims in the UK and their being expelled- not a sausage. I have never called for violence against anyone.

You also state that I am mentally ill/disturbed (perhaps I could sue you for this).

If this is the case how could I be held accountable for any posts? Perhaps you could explain this?

Your post is a childish and amateurish attempt to shut me up which has been seen as such by other posters. I have often been very rude and bolshie on here. But this is not against the law. Shame on you. I really thought better of you.

Jai, I’m sure you’ve said previously how munir works positively against BNP types who post here. Now you are saying he is doing the work of the BNP. I don’t understand your obsession with Sufism and munir’s ethnicity. What will this prove? If anything…

Where you are from does not matter. Munir’s post at 84 makes some excellent points. (I don’t know how he missed out Sheikh Imam al-Bukhari, compiler of many of the sahih hadeeth, who was an Uzbek). Islam is not an ethno centric religion.

A lot of what he says is actualy quite reasonable, but he just can’t stop abusing people who disagree, and then abusing their particular faith.

You and I both know that it’s a foregone conclusion that Munir will completely ignore your last two sentences above, seize upon the first one, and attempt to use it as an example to “vindicate” himself and/or retaliate against me.

In any case, engaging with people who are genuinely mentally disturbed in this way is a pointless exercise (examples of previous PP commenters exhibiting near-identical behaviour were Colin Brown and the short-lived “Guessedworker”). The appropriate response should be formal diagnosis and the initiation of appropriate corrective treatment (if feasible) by a suitable medical team who knows (or can find out) who he is in real life, not people continuing to talk to such individuals on websites and thereby feeding their compulsions by giving them a ready-made online playground consisting of invisible, anonymous, dehumanised punchbags on whom to project their hatreds, assumptions & prejudices and vent their own psychiatric problems.

The issue of prosecution is a separate (albeit overlapping) issue. Thanks to Munir’s extensive participation on PP over a course of many months, there is certainly a mountain of written evidence available if the relevant authorities wished to escalate matters and initiate formal proceedings against him.

Both of the above are obviously contingent on the position of PP’s editorial team on the matter, but given the gravity of the issue and the obvious confidentiality involved as a result of this potentially involving both medical and/or legal escalation in the real world, it would obviously not be prudent for PP’s editorial team to divulge their stance here on the blog itself.

In any case, if they want to ban Munir, for his own sake as much as the rest of PP’s readers’ and commenting audience’s sakes, as I said earlier I think the editorial team now needs to make a very serious decision about it.

It’s just munir. He’s taking up way too much time, but that’s because we let him. Talk about the topic, disregard the derails. Yeah, I know, I’m as guilty as anyone. I’ve been known to respond.

A lot of what he says is actualy quite reasonable, but he just can’t stop abusing people who disagree, and then abusing their particular faith. I think having him sectioned is perhaps going too far, but do we still have a disemvowelling option? Katy ran that so well.

If I may presume to speak on behalf of the Zionazis*, we are all in favour of Munir continuing to spew [lovely word!] his stuff on PP but he DOES need encouragement to start his own monomaniacal blog.

It is a sound principle that FREE SPEECH ON THE INTERNET should not be curtailed for any reason.

The English bloke who wrote the short story ‘Girls (Scream) Aloud’ may well be slightly unhinged but fiction is fiction. It’s still on the ‘net – as of the last time I looked – but I’ll deliberately NOT post a link.

* Other contributors to the SOCIALIST UNITY site called me a zionist and a nazi on the same glorious day!

http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_2_when_islam.html

Dalrymple is a fine writer but not infallible. However, his observations on society and culture are usually sound.

Munir has a pathological problem with a lack of basic, intuitive empathy towards other people (especially non-Muslims and “the wrong type of Muslim”), which persistently manifests in the following:

- Near-continuous “psychological projection”, to the level of psychopathology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection ),
- Massive cognitive impairment, frequently to the point of psychosis,
- Clinical paranoia,
- A homicidal level of hatred towards “The Other” or anyone that ‘dares’ to contradict or criticise him,
- A near-obsessive addiction to hurting other people to the maximum degree possible (mostly using greatly exaggerated or completely fabricated pretexts),
- A mental & emotional state constantly veering from superciliousness to grievance-driven rage (or both),
- Pathological lying,
- Memory blackouts.

Munir attempts to rationalise and explain this by shifting the blame externally to his targets, but we all know that (with the exception of sporadic genuinely-Islamophobic trolls) the problem is actually internal.

It’s either something neurological (eg. a hyperstimulated amygdala) or psychological/behavioural, or both. It would obviously require a formal medical investigation to identify the root cause(s), but Munir is definitely exhibiting clear symptoms of clinical psychopathy.

In fact, given his history of repeatedly switching between the usernames “Munir” and “Blah” (amongst others) whilst denying any knowledge or responsibility for this despite the fact that PP’s own IP-tracking systems have confirmed it, including incidents where he has actually posted “replies” to himself using the aforementioned alternate usernames, you can probably also add multiple personality disorder and/or schizophrenia to the mix if he’s genuinely experiencing memory blackouts or “hearing voices” during these “episodes”.

To my knowledge, this renders Munir a viable candidate for action under the Mental Health Act 2007. I believe there have also recently been successful criminal prosecutions of bloggers/commenters for deliberate incitement of hatred via the internet, which makes PP’s possession of Munir’s IP details very handy indeed, irrespective of whether he’s been posting under the username “Munir” or his most frequent alias “Blah”.

I expect there will be BNP-style protests about “freedom of speech” from him (and incidentally, exactly like Munir, the most extreme white supremacists & racists are also frequently obsessive anti-Semites and enthusiastic “Zionist” conspiracy theorists), but given the fact that Munir’s mentality, behaviour and modus operandi are actually identical to Nick Griffin and (particularly) L.J Barnes, not to mention their counterparts Omar Bakri, Abu Hamza, and most of all Anjem Choudary, I don’t see why Munir should be treated any differently or indeed shown any mercy whatsoever.

I’m going to briefly respond further to Munir’s earlier post #73 (his self-serving, paranoid, guesswork & assumption-riddled hallucinatory rantings in #80, 81 and 84 above, along with the “answer” (such as it is) to my posts on the “Jagdeesh Singh” thread don’t deserve a response), and then I think PP’s editorial team needs to make a concrete decision on the viability of continuing any dialogue with Munir on PP full-stop and possibly also permanently terminating his ability to participate here, since there are obvious limitations to constructively engaging with individuals suffering from untreated psychiatric illnesses.

Something else to consider is the fact that Munir is reinforcing nearly every piece of propaganda and negative stereotyping about Muslims that the BNP are aggressively trying to promote, and that he is therefore effectively doing their dirty work for them. By virtue of his own moral depravity, hypocrisy and viciousness, and his prolific near-daily demonstration of this on a globally-accessible blog such as PP (which, incidentally, is actively monitored by the BNP and their supporters, who are only too happy to exploit any suitable comments contained therein as convenient ammunition to further their own Islamophobic agenda) Munir is as much of a liability for the British Muslim population as his psychological doppelganger Anjem Choudary is.

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This along with your obession with Aurangzeb (ra) – a great saint loved by Punjabi Muslims

Sure, we’re really going to take history lessons from “Professor” Munir, someone who isn’t Punjabi himself and has never been to Punjab, whose limited contact with Punjabi Muslims obviously consists of ignorant social misfits who are grossly unrepresentative of the vast majority of Punjabi Muslims both in the subcontinent and overseas, and who is unable to answer even the easiest questions about the history of Sufism in South Asia & Persia. Not to mention his total lack of credibility as a “student of Islamic history” who is paradoxically completely ignorant about the contents of Aurangzeb’s own memoirs and letters to his children at the end of his life, either in the original Farsi or with regards to the easily-available English translation of the full texts.

Munir is a textbook example of what can eventually happen to a person’s mental state in extreme cases when they exploit religion (particularly when placing an overemphasis on “academic theological knowledge” and an ostentatious adherence to some of the rudimentary ritualistic aspects, whilst conveniently ignoring any religious injunctions to behave with respect, empathy and basic decency towards others) as a source of egotism and an attempt to hide & compensate for their own fundamental lack of any redeeming character traits, resulting in the development and manifestation of clearly-identifiable psychiatric illness.

Like some of the Sikh Gurus you mean?

The “retaliation” above is yet another example of Munir persistently violating major Islamic injunctions while simultaneously claiming to act in the name of Islam and for the benefit of Muslims (sound familiar ?), despite also having repeatedly claimed to be “conveying the position of orthodox Sunni Islam” — specifically the following non-negotiable, mandatory Islamic obligations:

a) The Islamic injunction that one should never lie,
b) The Islamic injunction that one should always behave with respect, courtesy and integrity towards others,
and c) The Islamic injunction to never ridicule or gratuitously insult the religious founders & figures of other faiths under any circumstances when interacting with adherents of those faiths.

So, that’s 3 major Islamic injunctions which Munir is deliberately and maliciously violating in one post alone, the latest in a very long list of countless previous examples where he has repeatedly done this. What’s next, Munir – Are you planning to visit a lapdancing club, get drunk on tequila shots, and eat a bacon sandwich tonight as well ?

6) I know Rumi, Hafiz and Sadi very well thank you

In that case, Munir, presumably you will fully understand the following and will also be aware of who wrote it:

بنی آدم اعضای یک پیکرند
که در آفرينش ز یک گوهرند
چو عضوى به درد آورد روزگار
دگر عضوها را نماند قرار
تو کز محنت دیگران بی غمی
نشاید که نامت نهند آدمی

Unless you are lying yet again, of course.

The only people I know in this society who don’t use profanity are religious Muslims- do you suggest I go and spend time with them

Absolutely. As much time with them as possible, in fact — if you’re genuinely serious about Islam, God and spirituality, and all that theological “knowledge” you allegedly possess isn’t purely an intellectual exercise on you part.

I always suspected…hhmmmm

Has anyone been on a night out ‘Up North’?

It’s like being stuck in a zoo.

Aye pet….

Its like going anywhere in the third world -the people are poorer but far friendlier than London.

It’s like being stuck in a zoo.

Aye pet….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epk6qa585Bo

”Talking of sudden mass immigration, the AMERICAN RENAISSANCE site has an interesting discussion on the resettlement of the Nepalese-speaking expellees from Bhutan in Canada and the U.S.A.”

I did go and read that ”discussion” in that online magazine. And the very first comment is the idiotic: ”Straight to welfare. A burden to every White” …. and every other (stupid) comment that was made wasn’t much better.
But this was my favourite:
”But seriously, who had ever even heard of Bhutan before this story?

Which unknown geographical backwater will be the next major supplier of people to Canada?
Tonga?, Upper Volta?…..time to get out that old school atlas.”

This is not, please note, because those detestable ‘cavemen’ persist in sending the most vulnerable members of their community among us as suicide bombers, merely because they own whippets and racing pigeons, talk funny and sometimes vote the wrong way.

That is actually a pretty promising take on the 7/7 -one that occurred to me at the time- a bunch of primitive backward insular Northern barbarians coming to cosmopolitan vibrant London to bring death and destruction

plus ca change eh Edna?

Northerners are clearly the source of all our problems