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    Terrorist found guilty (so let’s make some comparisons)


    by Rumbold on 15th July, 2009 at 5:11 pm    

    Neil Lewington, a neo-Nazi, has been found guilty of terrorism and explosive offenses:

    “The neo-Nazi, who turned his bedroom into a bomb factory, was also trying to perfect tennis ball bombs which he could throw at the homes of Asians.”

    He was caught by chance while travelling on a train:

    ” He was arrested at Lowestoft station in Suffolk on October 30 last year after abusing a female train conductor who challenged him. Lewington had been on his way to see a woman but after drinking and smoking on the train, he had urinated in public.

    He was arrested for a public order offence when the train arrived at the station and his hold-all bag was searched. He was found to be carrying two firebombs which would have exploded when primed.”

    Let there be no doubt that this man was a terrorist. He was planning to kill civilians he didn’t like, and would have done so if Lady Luck had not intervened. Whether he was part of a network or was working mostly on his own is still unclear. We know that neo-Nazi groups have become more active recently, and I suspect we shall learn more in time. But what this case can give us is a useful comparison with the way in which we deal with other terrorists and terrorist supporters.

    Let me start off by apologising to Muslims in advance. I suspect many breathed a sigh of relief when seeing this story, as they knew that they would be out of the spotlight for once. Sorry. However, it is important to look at how British society will deal with this case differently.

    There will be no editorials calling on moderate whites to stand up and be counted. We will not see leading moderate white Vince Cable taking on Jim Davidson (via live video feed in Dubai). I, as a white person, will not feel any more uncomfortable walking past my non-white neighbours. Churches will not be daubed with racist graffiti. The BNP will not be brought in to liaise with the government on how to turn young white males from violent extremism. No one will suggest that white people are destroying our way of life.

    There a fundamental problem with the way in which some treat minorities in this country. Too many have yet to snap out of the colonial model, which views non-whites as a homogenous group, each responsible for all. As Chairwoman put it, “it’s the price paid by all minority groups.” The media, the state and other bodies all feed this fantasy, but it has to stop. There are more Neil Lewingtons out there, and such attitudes only help them.



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    1. Jennifer Smith — on 15th July, 2009 at 5:27 pm  

      Bollocks. That’s because it’s just ONE person that has been found. All societies have nutters!

      Muslims have whole organisations of people, happy, ready and willing to blow the UK apart.

      Just remember, this is OUR country, infact most young muslim men are perfectly happy to be counted as muslim first and British second.

      There isn’t a patriotic bone in their bodies, many of them despise the British. Their hearts are in Pakistan or some other far distant shithole.

      The only reason they aren’t there, is because they are shitholes that don’t pay benefits.

      One, dangerous white man and you feel that the whole white race has to feel guilty?

      Are you sure you are white? Could have fooled me, innit?

      Absolutely ridiculous post.

    2. MaidMarian — on 15th July, 2009 at 5:36 pm  

      ‘We have a fundamental problem with the way in which we treat minorities in this country.’

      Sorry, who is this, ‘we,’ you blithely throw about? I have no problems sleeping at night on this issue, and I for one am quite capable of distinguishing one individual from the next.

      There may well be a debate to be had about the quality of civil society, but faux guilt harking back to colonial days doesn’t seem to me to be a weighty point.

      Sorry Rumbold - you get carried away here.

    3. Mantis — on 15th July, 2009 at 6:09 pm  

      Don’t worry, Jenny, many more of your terrorist buddies will be joining him in the clink in the days to come. I’m sure there are a lot more David Copelands out there walking the streets. You may be one of them!

      The more the racists feel confident enough to show their true colours after gaining two MEPs, the quicker the BNP will be heading for DOWNFALL!

    4. Miriam Binder — on 15th July, 2009 at 6:10 pm  

      @ Jennifer Smith #1 - Bollocks is such a useful word isn’t it. Mind you, you are wrong in that this is not just a one off individual. There have been a number of these ’savoury’ individuals; Robert Cottage and David Jackson come to mind. As for why the post responded to makes you question Rumbold’s skintone … well, it leaves me flabberghasted.

      I must agree with MaidMarian in that I think laying the cause for our seemingly different treatment back to a ‘colonial’ mindset rather far fetched.

      When I first read the article I was rather taken aback by his defence lawyer’s description of him as a “silly immature alcoholic dysfunctional twit, fantasising to make up for a rather sad life”. I don’t think anyone has tried that sort of defence for non-white terror suspects and I couldn’t help but wonder what sort of an outcry there would have been in the media and on the numerous blogs and forms that tend to dissect those trials with glee.

    5. Jennifer Smith — on 15th July, 2009 at 6:39 pm  

      Bollocks is so apt in this post.

      Wow, that’s all of three then Miriam, when there are whole organisations waiting to shout jihad and death to the white man. Even civil servants :)

      I really resent being called racist. I have watched an area I was born and grown up in turn into a crime ridden, shitpit, uncivilised hellhole. Yes, a hellhole.

      The main road resembles nothing less than a high street from Pakistan and I am pretty peeved about it. I liked where I grew up before it was overrun with foreigners! If they wanted to turn it into Pakistan, why didn’t they just stay where they were?

      Can’t see much chance of the same happening in Pakistan can we? Imagine, a whole group of white people taking over an area in Pakistan and making it look like a country town in England.

      Now, whose racist?

      I do take exception to vast areas of my country NOT resembling Britain, but that does not make me racist. It makes me patriotic, which is also NOT A DIRTY WORD!

      It’s got to the point where a white person can’t even say anything anymore without being accused of being racist.

      And therein lies your problem. We no longer have a voice, we can no longer moan if we have a Polish family that drills holes all night (my experience). We can no longer report in the news a full description of a criminal because its racist.

      We can no longer say “sod all” without one of the righteous jumping up and down screaming racist…

      Really, sod you all, because this will all go very wrong. It takes a long time for a decent white person to get very angry, but when they do…

      They’ll vote BNP because there is simply no alternative and because they have been pushed into by the righteous!

    6. chairwoman — on 15th July, 2009 at 6:42 pm  

      Are you sure you are white? Could have fooled me, innit”

      Jennifer, I didn’t realise you spoke Chav.

    7. munir — on 15th July, 2009 at 6:49 pm  

      Bollocks. That’s because it’s just ONE person that has been found. All societies have nutters!

      You forgot to mention Dave Copeland, Robert Cottage,Martyn Gilleard,Nathan Worrell not to mention the decades of the IRA and extreme Unionist groups

      Muslims have whole organisations of people, happy, ready and willing to blow the UK apart.

      If you know of these organistaions why on earth are you reporting them traitor?

      As do white people - (BTW Muslims can be white also)
      Ever heard of Combat 18 or the BNP a party that got 1 million votes and wants to commit genocide against non white Britons?

      Figures compiled by Europol, the European police agency, suggest that the threat of Islamist terrorism is minimal compared with “ethno-nationalist” and “separatist” terrorism – terrorism committed by white people, in other words. According to Europol, in 2006, one out of 498 documented terrorist attacks across Europe could be classed as “Islamist”; in 2007, the figure rose to just four out of 583 – that’s less than 1 per cent of the total. By contrast, 517 attacks across the continent were claimed by or attributed to nationalist or separatist terrorist groups, such as ETA in Spain.
      http://www.newstatesman.com/2009/07/muslim-terrorism-white-british

      Just remember, this is OUR country

      You took the words right out of my mouth

      Its actually quite heart warming that youd rather be blown to bits by a fellow white than a Muslim darkie. Im more the other way round

      in fact most young muslim men are perfectly happy to be counted as muslim first and British second.

      The irony of condemning Muslims for considering themselves Muslim first while stating they arent British is probably lost on you isnt it? (sorry innit)

      There isn’t a patriotic bone in their bodies, many of them despise the British. Their hearts are in Pakistan or some other far distant shithole.

      Report:
      Britain’s Muslim population identify with Britain more than the general population, a surprise new poll has found.

      A Gallup survey found 77 per cent of Muslims said they “identified with the UK”, compared to just 50 per cent of the public at large.

      Seventy-five per cent of the Muslims questioned also said they identify with their religion.

      http://www.politics.co.uk/news/equality/muslims-more-patriotic-than-brits-$1293822.htm

      “The only reason they aren’t there, is because they are shitholes that don’t pay benefits.

      Or because they were born here.

      Why are you here rather than in Republika Srpska or on a large farm in Wyoming with fellow clan members?

      One, dangerous white man and you feel that the whole white race has to feel guilty?

      You mean like you feel all Muslims have to?

      Anyway Im sure next time we get on a train an see a white skinhead we’ll move onto the next carriage lest he blow us to smithereens

      Are you sure you are white? Could have fooled me, innit?

      Why are you using ethnic terms race traitor? (I suspect your post was a parody)

      “And the dictionary identifies how the ubiquitous “innit” was absorbed into British Asian speech via “haina” - a Hindi tag phrase, stuck on the sentences and meaning “is no?”. ”
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6122072.stm

      Absolutely ridiculous post.

      Quite

    8. Mantis — on 15th July, 2009 at 6:50 pm  

      Jenny, I bet the area you grew up in always was a shithole!

    9. Don — on 15th July, 2009 at 6:51 pm  

      I see MM’s point. I don’t think the ‘we’ is helpful or accurate. Lazy and/or malevolent journalist perhaps, unprincipled oportunistic politicians probably, racism embedded in established institutions no doubt. But a generalised ‘we’ doesn’t really take us anywhere useful.

      I am sure a lot of factors focused his hatred on ‘non-British’ generally and Pakistanis in particular but I suspect (pure speculation and amateur psychology alert) that the hatred and need to assert his significance by violence was a characteristic which would have emerged anyway. If not asians, jews, if not jews gays, if not gays…

      As for viewing groups as homogeneous, I suspect that when that does happen it is mostly down to sloppy, unreflective ‘thinking’. Something which might perhaps be tackled by teaching critical thinking from an early age (preferably in secular schools). Where the attitude runs deeper then we might be looking at actual cognitive impairment or a pathological condition. This loser certainly seems to have both, in spades.

    10. marvin — on 15th July, 2009 at 6:54 pm  

      Rumbold you missed something vital out of your analysis.

      We will npt be getting opinion pieces in the Guardian opining that neo-nazi response, though of course repellent, is somewhat-understandable, given the injustices white people have faced.

      We won’t get an opinion piece in a so called liberal newspaper, from a member of a radical white supremacist group, saying that youthful whites are a lot sassier in their opinions about immigration, in relation to an neonazi terrorist attack. “Todays whites aren’t prepared to ignore justice” .

      And the Guardian won’t have Comment is Free pieces from the political wing of Combat 18.

      Why is that? When you can do the same for radical Islamists and representatives of a an explicitly genocidal terrorist organisation? I’m all for consistency but I just can’t stand blatant double standards.

      I now prepare myself for knee-jerk defensive doublestandardsdenialism.

      And remember, you may think, ah poppycock, the vast majority of whites in this country have lived a comfortable existence, but so have the majority of Muslims in the UK - just look at the middle-class Muslim teaching assistants and 7 doctors who have shown such evil contempt for their fellow man.

    11. munir — on 15th July, 2009 at 6:59 pm  

      Jennifer Smith

      Wow, that’s all of three then Miriam, when there are whole organisations waiting to shout jihad and death to the white man. Even civil servants

      I have never heard Al Qaida etc al (which contains a few white men) shouting “death to the white man”

      I mean does your “mind” boggle when you hear about Nicky Reilly?

      I really resent being called racist. I have watched an area I was born and grown up in turn into a crime ridden, shitpit, uncivilised hellhole. Yes, a hellhole.

      The places ethnic minorities congregate in are usually the poorest areas of teh country. So its safe to assume from this and your general language that your are was ” a crime ridden, shitpit, uncivilised hellhole” way before they came. With crappier food.

      Must be a nightmare going out at nights to be attacked by those white chav gangs

      The main road resembles nothing less than a high street from Pakistan and I am pretty peeved about it. I liked where I grew up before it was overrun with foreigners!

      Non white Britons are not foreigners. The fact you consider they are makes you, unmittigatedly, a racist

      If they wanted to turn it into Pakistan, why didn’t they just stay where they were?

      No ethnic group in human history has ever migrated to a place and not taken some of its home culture. Can you tell us why people in the US,Australi Canada etc speak English and not native languages?

      Or why Brits in Spain import their culture?

      Can’t see much chance of the same happening in Pakistan can we? Imagine, a whole group of white people taking over an area in Pakistan and making it look like a country town in England.

      Yeah just imagine people from Britain going to India and taking it over.

    12. Jennifer Smith — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:00 pm  

      Chairwoman, you obviously haven’t had a bunch of asian lads round your house, I have, when my kids friends came round and that is what they sound like!

    13. Rumbold — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:07 pm  

      Point taken MaidMarian and Don. Having read through it again after reading your comments, I have now amended it. I think that I was just getting carried away, rather than trying to blame everyone.

      Marvin:

      Yes, there is that too. While it is course important to work out why extremists are extreme, to justify it in a “we was provoked” vein is just wrong. However, I would let Hamas grandees write for papers, because they are an elected power in the region (an anti-semitic one, but one I think we need to deal with, in the hope of binding them to a two-state solution).

    14. munir — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:07 pm  

      Marvin
      “Why is that? When you can do the same for radical Islamists and representatives of a an explicitly genocidal terrorist organisation? I’m all for consistency but I just can’t stand blatant double standards. ”

      Marvin the Guardian does; it publishes pieces from zionists and supporters of the IDF (a terrorist organization) and a racits , apartheid state (Israel) who are of course given a great press elsewhere.

    15. Don — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:09 pm  

      …in fact most young muslim men are perfectly happy to be counted as muslim first and British second.

      And yet if someone said they considered themselves to be christian first and British second nobody would turn a hair.

      (Well, I would but then I’m an atheist. I get slightly depressed when anyone has religion as their dominant identifier, but it not my place to tell them they can’t)

      It takes a long time for a decent white person to get very angry… Not really. I’m white and I consider myself decent but some things do make me very angry very quickly*. I don’t get shouty, but I do get angry. Anger can be good, rage and hatred not so much.

      (*As distinct from being pissed off. There’s a whole bunch of stuff does that.)

    16. Jennifer Smith — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:12 pm  

      munir, you know very well that the order was given to leave muslim extremists alone, or they would become more extremist. I actually have reported a couple of websites, but they’re still there!

      There are now countless cases where an ethnic minority can shout human rights and a white man can’t… case of McKinnon and Abu Hamsa. All you lot have to do is shout racism, human rights and you get what you want.

      Some of the crap you quote has been spun by the Labour Government, just like the education figure today. Blame the white person… we haven’t been sending our kids to private schools, the shortage is OUR fault! Yet, it is a well know fact that the shortage is due to uncontrolled immigration and the fact that ethnic minorities have more children than we do.

      Spain also deports foreigners (EU citizens too) if they commit a crime and the prisons do not have playstations, curries and compasses.

      The police will kick the shit out of anyone that misbehaves.

      You lot get away with murder, literally..

    17. Don — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:16 pm  

      Jennifer,

      Your kids invite their asian friends round? Great, congratulations on bringing them up well.

      Munir,

      C’mon. Why drag Israel into this? Let’s focus here.

    18. marvin — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:17 pm  

      Ok, so neonazi and muslim terrorists are equivalent to a person who believes in a Jewish homeland, and a person who supports the right of this country, like every other country on the planet to defend itself militarily. Speaks volumes munir young chap.

      You are one angry and deluded puppy munir. Where do you get all your extremist opinions from? Is it from Islamist sites? Your local mosque? RESPECT party meetings? The more lunatic Guardian opinion pieces? ‘Lenin’? I’d genuinely like to know who you came to learn thing things you know?

    19. Miriam Binder — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:19 pm  

      @ Jennifer Smith #11 - All of three? They were just the one that came to mind .. there are plenty more if you care to just google.

      And no, terrorism in whatever guise and for whatever reason is wrong! But to sit there and take the moral highground purely on a perceived shared ethnicity is if not racist in itself so akin as to make no difference.

    20. marvin — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:21 pm  

      FFS without the ‘edit’ button I am so used to people get to see my cack-handed typing and word mangling…

    21. Scots Tiger — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:31 pm  

      Some awkward facts are surprisingly little-known:

      The foundation years for mass Third World immigration were the Tory years, 1951 - 1964.

      A rank-and-file Tory cornered Duncan Sandys at a Tory Party conference.

      “What are you doing letting all these XXXXX into the country for? I mean, what’s the country going to look like when my children and children are grown up?”

      Duncan Sandys [with patrician contempt for an obvious social inferior]:

      “Well, there’s a labour shortage, isn’t there?”

      Exactly; the short-term interest of the employing class were of FAR more importance than the long-term interests of the British people.

      Which is why we now have Blackburnistan, Oldhamistan, Nelsonistan and the likes of Lord Ahmed, the vile Vaz and Shaheed Malki, the Martyr King, ready and willing to offer us political leadership.

      Born here? Rats and cockroaches are born in stables every day. Does that make them horses?

    22. Adnan — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:35 pm  

      The problem with the extradition treaty with the US is that it is one-sided in favour of the US. Blunkett probably did this to ease deportation of terror suspects.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/damianreece/2784902/Join-our-campaign-to-end-US-extradition-on-demand.html

      [American authorities can arrive in the UK and demand your extradition any time. You will have no ability to challenge the move or question US evidence against you. Perhaps worst of all, there will not be any consideration of which country is most suitable to hear your case. If America wants to put you on trial in a US court, having already forced you to spend time in a US jail with limited legal representation, it can. You are at risk of American "extradition on demand".]

      What makes you think that Hamza got an easier ride than McKinnon?

    23. munir — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:44 pm  

      Don
      “Munir,

      C’mon. Why drag Israel into this? Let’s focus here.”

      Er Marvin brought up the Palestinains

    24. Don — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:49 pm  

      Jennifer,

      Abu Hamza is indeed a bad, bad person. Last I heard he was in the slammer.

      By McKinnon do you mean the hacker? I don’t see the relevance.

      You are clearly angry and apparently your neighbourhood has gone downhill, but noisy neighbours? I recommend a three step plan, regardless of their ethnicity.
      #1 ask them politely to keep it down.
      #2 ask them firmly to keep it down, making it clear you are serious.
      #3 report to environmental health and if necessary push them to take action, taking careful notes.

      If there are actual anti-social behaviours which trouble you I would guess those same behaviours trouble most of you neighbours regardless of their colour. You would probably find you have a lot of common ground with most of the people you see as non-British. Do you think the average asian family is happy about anti-social behaviour?

      If you are just angry that things look different than they used to, I’m afraid you are stuck with it. Change happens. If you want some kind of control over how that change will come about, try talking to your neighbours and you will probably find that most have the same desires and aspirations as you, regardless of background. It seems your kids can do it, try talking to their friends’ parents about specific problems in your area. Of course our society faces problems. We need solutions, not scapegoats.

    25. munir — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:53 pm  

      “Ok, so neonazi and muslim terrorists are equivalent to a person who believes in a Jewish homeland, and a person who supports the right of this country, like every other country on the planet to defend itself militarily. Speaks volumes munir young chap.”

      You make it sound so nice “who believe in a Jewish homeland” ignoring that to create this homeland they expelled 3/4 million of the native population who they have been killing , starving and bombing since and that the homeland was founded by terrorists (Shamir, Begin) not to mention war criminals like Sharon and has had in government Nazis like the Shas party, moledat and Lieberman

      And is currently run by a man Netanyahu who celebrates terorrists murdering British civilians

      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article690085.ece

      Yet netayahu has been given op-eds in UK newspapers!!

      You compared HT to white supremacists- but of course Israel is a racial/religious supremacist state where any Jew in the world has more rights the minute he or she steps of the plane than a non Jew whose family has lived there for thousands of years-a state which enshrines eternal Jewish supremcy regradless of the size of its non Jewish population much as white supremacists would do with with white supremacy.

      And this state is defended in the press - Which of the press defended Israels ally apartheid South Africa?

      “who supports the right of this country, like every other country on the planet to defend itself militarily.”

      yet funny you dont support the right of the Palestinains to defend their land from invaders! You call them terorists!

    26. Adnan — on 15th July, 2009 at 7:55 pm  

      Perhaps the relevance is that McKinnon is white and that the perception is that he’s been hard done by (he’s got aspergers, and it seems he’s being made an example of). Hamza was shouting his mouth off for ages before being arrested but, IMO, he (was) and Al-Muj are savvy enough to do it in such a way that it’s difficult to legally do something about them.

    27. Ravi Naik — on 15th July, 2009 at 8:08 pm  

      Bollocks. That’s because it’s just ONE person that has been found. All societies have nutters!

      See, you are able to distinguish between individuals when they are white. But when it comes to Asians, you can’t. Why is that?

    28. Jennifer Smith — on 15th July, 2009 at 8:13 pm  

      I just can’t believe that you can’t accept the fact that there are some people that feel that their communities have altered for the worst because of immigration. Are you that narrow minded, that narcissistic that you think uncontrolled immigration has made the UK a better place to live, or are you just all communists?

      We have always welcomed foreigners and up until now, have been very accepting of what you bring with you.

      There aren’t many countries that will embrace other cultures quite like the British do, perhaps that’s why they’re queuing at Calais?.

      No wait, that’s for benefits!

      But when we dare to say “enough is enough” you go on the attack. Do you really believe we can continue to take in an uncontrolled amount of people onto this tiny island?

      If you do, you’re delusional. Many Brits have left, simply because they feel there is no future for their children in a society that gives more power to foreigners whilst claiming that all things are equal, when we know they’re not. You’ve even managed to kill free speech, well done! The thing that most of you wanted to escape, you’ve actually managed to bring with you, with a vengence!

      Just so you know, there are places in Italy and Spain where “foreigners” are no longer welcome. They are shunned, ignored and driven out. The fascist left wing EU and communist Labour party will not be in power for ever. The left of centre is losing support.

      The right of centre will take over in Brussels. I don’t want to be part of a socialist, benefit sucking society.

      I have worked all my life, for nothing… to pay for foreigners and their breeding mares, my pension is insecure, I may have to sell my house for my retirement even though I have paid into the system for 35 years, I do hope the same happens to you one day after a lifetime of toil.

      Your position is not secure unless you change your attitudes. The righteous will not always be in power. Sooner or later, you’ll have to listen to ordinary white people or you’ll have revolt on your hands.

      By the way, the street I grew up in was not utopia, but it wasn’t a dirty stinking shithole either!

    29. Mantis — on 15th July, 2009 at 8:35 pm  

      Jenny, as I consider myself an ordinary white person, please tell me why I don’t in any sense feel a victim despite living in a town that has a highly diverse ethnicity?

      Please do not imagine you speak for all white people here. You speak only for yourself and your ilk.

    30. Celtlord — on 15th July, 2009 at 8:38 pm  

      You know… I don’t know if it’s the inbreeding, Pakistani custom of first cousins marrying or it is some localized bubble that relates islamic inspired terrorism to British foreign policy or the palestinian/ Israeli situation. Any where on the planet with an even marginally significant islamic population is experiencing terrorist activities related to islam, the public islamic organizations in the UK are fronts for the muslimbrotherhood, which is dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization and it’s replacement with an islamic order. Sounds like colonization, except instead of giving the colonized country a transportation system, hospitals, and parliamentary democracy, as per Britain and India, Australia, Canada, Kenya, etc. …. Countries colonized by islam you know Egypt, Iran, Syria, Mesopotamia, and the rest for the most part we have the shittiest shitholes on the planet, no respect for human rights, massive corruption, and the burka. It looks like France is headin for a civil war of some kind between indigs and coloniziers(islam). Eventually the french will win but it is going to be ugly. Non-Western Immigrants to the Uk carry a host of preconceptions about the primarily English, one thing that many seem to underestimate is the english capacity for ruthlessness and brutality, Britain produces it’s share of real nutters(Suppose some mental deficent regular here, will call me one, very witty) and psychopaths, these are starting to come to the fore and in response to islam’s attempt at colonization, these loons are aimed straight at muslims.

      I have an Uncle from Pakistan, nicest man in the world, he and my Aunt have two kids, one is a regular British beerlout, the other is a hijab wearing sunni. They need to ditch islam if the wish to continue living in Britain, it is culturally incompatible with the peoples of Europe. Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians are not at all any kind of problem and make significant contributions to the UK, While some individual muslims do as well, but taken as a group islam doesn’t.

      I am getting fed up with muslims and leftist ideologues bitching about the “Apartheid” state of Israel even though all the countries around except Lebanon are official islamic, some banning jews citizenship or just not allowing jews in the country to begin with. These idiots, moan on and on about Israeli oppression, demand a “Right” of return for the grand kids of some migrant who took a dump in the country 60 years ago, yet say nothing about the million jews from the middle east forced by muslim pogroms and abuse to emigrate to Israel, Or mulims who dare call the Crusades, wars of aggression, conveniently forgetting islam’s previous 3 hundred years of invasion and genocide aimed at Christains. I have no sympathy for islam or muslims anymore.

    31. Mantis — on 15th July, 2009 at 8:43 pm  

      Celtlord, I bet you are as much related to pakistanis as Colin BrownTrout is jewish!

      Pull the other one!

    32. Don — on 15th July, 2009 at 8:43 pm  

      Jennifer,

      We don’t have uncontrolled immigration. We may have badly controlled immigration, or a lack of control in some areas. If you want to argue a case for improved immigration control then you will get a polite and rational hearing here (mostly).

      But when we dare to say “enough is enough” you go on the attack.

      But you didn’t say that. You said ‘Bollocks’ as your opening remark. You don’t think that will raise hackles? Why not just say what you actually want? Bearing in mind we don’t have a time machine.

      We have always welcomed foreigners and up until now, have been very accepting of what you bring with you.

      ‘No dogs, no blacks, no irish’ ring a bell? I think that, by and large, over the years, we have shown up better than average but read a little history. Always welcomed?

    33. Don — on 15th July, 2009 at 8:50 pm  

      Celtlord,

      …who dare call the Crusades, wars of aggression,…

      Oh, now you have done it, man. You have awoken the history geeks. God help us all.

      (Just kidding, guys.)

    34. Ravi Naik — on 15th July, 2009 at 9:03 pm  

      I have worked all my life, for nothing… to pay for foreigners and their breeding mares, my pension is insecure, I may have to sell my house for my retirement even though I have paid into the system for 35 years, I do hope the same happens to you one day after a lifetime of toil.

      Your position is not secure unless you change your attitudes. The righteous will not always be in power. Sooner or later, you’ll have to listen to ordinary white people or you’ll have revolt on your hands.

      First of all, lose the attitude. The majority of Asians here in this blog have worked all their lives, pay their taxes and do not live on benefits. Most of us do not talk like chavs, nor do we get away with murder, because we do not murder in the first place.

      We are not ONE collective group that you can accuse us of anything, because each of us is an individual just like you made a point of saying in message #1 that Neil Lewington is ONE individual who is a nutter. See, you can actually distinguish individuals when they are white, but when it comes to Asians, you can’t. And you think the worst. There is a name for people like you, but you actually resent being called that.

      Forget about racism, you are a whiner and the BNP is a party of whiners. You want us to change our attitudes? How about ignoring people like you?

      Because in fact, no matter how hard we work or contribute to this society (and objectively, Asians produce 6% of the wealth being 4% of the population, so we actually give more than receive), people like you will always blame us for your misfortunes.

    35. The Common Humanist — on 15th July, 2009 at 9:22 pm  

      Don,

      LoL!!!!

      I shall not indulge then….

      [Drags hand away from keyboard....]

    36. Celtlord — on 15th July, 2009 at 9:48 pm  

      mantis, I’m related to said Pakistani by Marriage to my Father’s Sister, He does get a bit upset when I say things like I have no problem with him and my Aunt, but I have a problem with Muslims who will not allow their girls to date or marry Native Britons, or any non-muslims without conversion to islam, in the case of men, as per the requirements of sharia. And before any accuse, no I wasn’t burned in an affair with a muslim girl, I did however live commonlaw with a Sikh woman, and came out of that with nothing but respect for Sikh ideals. Although, She got a lot of racist grief, not from my family or natives, her being of Indian descent and me Scottish, but from old Indian Women. See thing is I and my family have lived a “multicultural” life as a reality, I am not so attached to the ideal, that I cannot see islam for what it is… a steaming pile of manure, that has No place in Britain, except as an example of a.. horrid belief system.

    37. Arif — on 16th July, 2009 at 8:58 am  

      I feel that “terrorism” is generally felt as more threatening than murder because of its political element.

      If you feel you are part of a target group for the terrorism, then I think it is natural to feel more fear than if you do not, and that is the element of political terror.

      If you feel that some of the political goals (but not the methods) have some validity, and you do not feel part of the target group, then you may be perceived to support terrorism and I can see why it would sometimes be fair to be asked to make your position clear.

      Rumbold, when you say there is a fundamental problem with how we treat minorities, I think this is due less to a colonial mindset, than to (the related issue of) who has power to act on their fears.

      Because of these power dynamics, there is more pressure on minorities to reassure majorities than vice versa. There is more likelihood of minority rights being compromised to reassure a majority than vice versa.

      Having terrorist threats from both sides is an opportunity at least for being able to comprehend each other’s fears more easily.

      I see the goal of the terrorists on both sides is the opposite - to mark out the majority and minority more clearly on different sides of a political fence. Removing minority rights serves both sets of terrorists by ramping up the tension, and I hope the majority doesn’t fall for it.

    38. billericaydicky — on 16th July, 2009 at 10:10 am  

      Let me try to pull this one back together. Yes there is a real threat of white lone wolves making explosive devices and detonating them. This didn’t start with Copeland as there were many attacks on Jewish property in the late fifties and early sixties and at least one death, that of a Rabbinical student in north London.

      I was present when David Copeland was photographed with BNP leader and founder John Tyndall at Stratford in East London in September 1997 and have followed the developement of that section of the far right closely ever since.

      Some understanding of the mentality of the far rightist who is prepared to make and explode bombs can be aquired by reading the definitave book about Copeland ” Mr Evil” by investigative journalist Graeme McLagan and the editor of Searchlight Nick Lowles.

      They tend to be loners with all sorts of personality problems working these out through fantasies of violence. Most will never carry out what they conceive but for a handful the dreams become reality.

      They communicate with each other on the internet and the only reason the guestbook on Blood and Honour is down is because Simon Shepard who ran it is in prison. Despite calls for it to be shut down and prosecuted it remained open because, as some of us think, it was useful to the security services in monitoring the far right.

      A little about C18 and Special Branch. C18 is now nothing more than a semi defunct website and a few old drinking pals. It was formed in an east end pub, the City of Paris, in a series of afternoon drinking sessions of the BNP stewards group after the regular Right For Whites events which led to the election victory of Derek Beacon in September 1993.

      Tyndall quickly banned it as it was getting too powerful and it went on to have a life of its own. It rapidly began to make money from the international nazi music scene as well as using its European contacts to import large amounts of drugs principally ecstasy which were sold at their own gigs as well as clubs and raves all over the country.

      Within C18 was a purely ideololical wing under the leadership of Will Browning opposed to the money making ethos of the Sargant brothers. Eventually this turned to murder when Charlie Sargent and Martin Cross stabbed to death one of Browning’s supporters Chris Castle.

      When Browning was arrested he asked Essex police to call a number which turned out to be Special Branch in London. He had been working for them for years supplying information while a blind eye was turned to attacks on anti fascists and ethnic minorities and drug dealing.

      There was never the outcry there should have been about this and it was all swept under the carpet. The situation we now face is a much more fluid one. There are an increasing number of arrests of people of a similar phsychological type. Men who have difficulty in forming relationships who harbour grudges about all sorts of things but particularly race, asylum and immigration.

      They are able to talk to each other on the net as well as to download all of the info needed to make a bomb. Copeland was caught because he was seen on CCTV footage at Brixton. If he had worn a crash helmet he could still be out there. The police found more explosives in his bedsit and I am told his next two targets were the Jewish community in Golders Green and Southall Broadway.

      Attempts to link the BNP to these characters will generally tend to be futile as Griffin and co are careful to condemn them. BNP membership cards are not going to be enough as anyone can join over the internet. It is only in a general way, guilt by association, that any damage can be done and by and large most BNP voters aren’t too concerned about mosques being bombed.

      The lone wolf is the hardest to deal with and if only one or two of the far right can get their act together, not associate with other rightists and keep their mouths shut and their security tight I am afraid we might be in for an uncomforatable time.

    39. Jai — on 16th July, 2009 at 10:52 am  

      There a fundamental problem with the way in which some treat minorities in this country. Too many have yet to snap out of the colonial model, which views non-whites as a homogenous group, each responsible for all.

      As for viewing groups as homogeneous, I suspect that when that does happen it is mostly down to sloppy, unreflective ‘thinking’…..Where the attitude runs deeper then we might be looking at actual cognitive impairment or a pathological condition.

      See, you can actually distinguish individuals when they are white, but when it comes to Asians, you can’t. And you think the worst.

      The comments above by Rumbold, Don and Ravi summarise the crux of the matter.

      And, of course, “Jennifer Smith” has unwittingly demonstrated the point herself perfectly, by virtue of her own remarks, attitude and behaviour on this thread.

    40. chavscum — on 16th July, 2009 at 10:57 am  

      He was a wierdo loner, who was found to have weed killer, firelighters and tennis balls in his shed. The only link to terrorism was because he looked at bomb & explosive guides on the internet. He wasn’t storing hundreds of gallons of fertiliser was he? He was no threat to anyone, but himself. I would call him a failure of society and a victim of cultural and social prejudice from the white middle-class.

      Now if he was intending to blow up people like Rumbold and the white middle-class left…..

    41. Rumbold — on 16th July, 2009 at 12:04 pm  

      Heh Don.

      Celtlord:

      “Or mulims who dare call the Crusades, wars of aggression, conveniently forgetting islam’s previous 3 hundred years of invasion and genocide aimed at Christains.”

      Well, the idea was initially just to recover territory lost by the Byzantines, but, as the Western Christians took the lead, the religious aspect of the ‘Crusades’ (a 19th century term) became much more important. I don’t understand the reference to genocide- please provide a number of pre-1095 examples of where Muslims slaughtered Christians on mass, or where they forcibly converted them.

      Arif:

      “Because of these power dynamics, there is more pressure on minorities to reassure majorities than vice versa. There is more likelihood of minority rights being compromised to reassure a majority than vice versa.”

      I do think there is that aspect too, given that minorities can be seen as ‘threats’ to a mythical ‘way of life’.

    42. Roger — on 16th July, 2009 at 4:24 pm  

      An important thing about Lewington, Cottage, Copeland and others of that sort is that apart from their malign intentions they are comical and grotesque. It is difficult to take seriously someone who takes bomb parts with him on a date and behaves in a way guaranteed to draw attention to himself and make it likely he will be arrested. Jihadi terrorists are often people with degrees and other qualifications. Judges- like ithers- are more likely to take the intentions and earnestness of such people seriously without being aware of it. The other important aspect is that jihadi terrorism derives from the ideology of islam. It may be based on misinterpretations, but the philosophical basis is there and their opinions are logical conclusions without much inspiration from their own personalities; on the other hand, fascists often seem to adopt their ideology because they’re nasty little shits in the first place and want an intellectual justification for it.

    43. Tobias — on 16th July, 2009 at 11:45 pm  

      It’s kinda shocking to see so many right-wing nuts on this site.

      Though I find it quite amusing! This must be the best batch of the bigots, they cannot string a sentence together and they can rant about is how “this is OUR country” and the supposed evils of other races.

      You lot just can’t change your tune.
      Oh well, I look forward to swine flu sweeping the country only because some of you bigots will be treated by doctors from a minority background!
      I wonder if you’ll change your tune when these doctors heal you, or save the life of one of your children, or one your spouses, or your parents or your close friends.

      I’ll bet the “darkies” won’t be so bad then.

    44. Celtlord — on 17th July, 2009 at 6:09 pm  

      Rumbold

      You want dates, names, and place of wholesale slaughter and examples of forced conversion of Christains by muslims. Alas, my knowledge and the historical record are insufficient to provide these in detail. But, evidence of such occurrences are plentiful, Let’s start with Islams birth place, Both christian and Jewish communities existed on the Arabian peninsula prior to islam’s arrival both groups were, except for handfulls of each in Yemen, where driven out of the territory at old moehammed’s direct command, which is an established part of current saudi refusal to allow the construction of houses of worship by any other faith in their country. Is that a Genocide? Or Are you familiar the islamic custom of allowing their armies three days of rape and pillage of cities which refused to submit, embrace islam, pay an extortion poll tax called Jizya, like the taliban are trying to impose on Sikhs in pakistan, remember that these …vermin have as a stated goals a return to or, better to practice True islam are to emulate the first three generations of islam. So it is easy to see all the early conquests of islam as genocidal. If you get off your ass and find some translations of muslim historians you will read that they were quite proud of their brutalities. The muslim conquistadors Of India were even more horrific, at the very least equivalent to Spanish in the new world. Anyways, I’m not going to detail which cities said fuck you to invading muslim armies, and which caved. The ultimate evidence of islams genocidal aggression toward non-muslims, Christians in the middle east is the meager populations of christian communities there today. Tiny communities, that even today are being extinguished, Chaldeans in Iraq are being exterminated in continuance of islam’s self stated(quranic)
      drive to dominate the planet. That is what all 5 schools of islamic law call for, before some idiot here
      labels me a paranoid racist or should be inmate of a mental clinic, which seems all the ideologues here are capable of, as opposed to refutation of my assertions.
      A suggestion head down to your local mosque book store and have a look around, in particular a Book called milestones by a malignant little eygptian dwarf named sayed qtub. Actually, you can find that one online.

      Tobias

      So let me see you want to see members of an ethnic group(British)(Scots, welsh, and english)infected
      with a potentially deadly disease so they can be treated by doctors of different ethnicies to demonstrate to them what racist pigs they are.
      … Cause all “darkies” are doctors, are you sure they will be available, as I understand it many of them will be busy driving burning jeeps into airports, or blowing themselves up on public transit. Have you suffered some kind of impairing brain injury, or are you just an unthinking ideologue asshole?

    45. Mantis — on 17th July, 2009 at 8:01 pm  

      It’s clear that Celtlord is a student of the pseudo-scholar Robert Spencer. Spencer is a load of shit, and picks quotes out of context to suit his agenda (and to please his zionist buddies).

      Celtlord, you will find christian history to be far more bloody than muslim history. There was nothing equivalent to the Spanish Inquisition in Islam. Muslim nations allowed christians and jews to live among them, while in christian Europe, they either had to convert or be tortured and burnt on a stake.

      Do some research, you will find that christians were the worst in history for acts of genocide.

      No doubt you will respond to me by lamely labeling me a ‘Dhimmi’.

    46. Celtlord — on 17th July, 2009 at 9:14 pm  

      Mantis

      I don’t think your a dhimmi, that would suppose you possessed the intelligence to perceive the fate in store for you if you failed to submit to islam, That is if they(muslims) are successful in their attempts to colonize the UK and Europe. So don’t worry, I don’t consider you a dhimmi you obviously are not that bright. As to whom I am a student of, the previously mentioned sayed qtub, another islamic cockroach named
      Hassan al-Banna, founder of the muslimbrotherhood. As well I am quickly becoming a student of islamic law and theology. Like did you know that they all agree that homos should die and are an abomination, what they differ on is the method execution. Christians are the worst in history for acts of genocide… really I have tens of millions of Hindus that might beg to differ, as well Zoroastrians and Buddhist, oh I hear my zionist overlords calling gotto run. bye bye you pathetic insect

    47. Rumbold — on 17th July, 2009 at 9:18 pm  

      Yayha:

      I am not anti-group per se, I just have a problem with those groups becoming the sole focus of a person.



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