http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027088.php

time that Keysar Trad wuz taken down a peg!

Munir has a problem with me. I said this to him directly this week, and he agreed that he does. I’m not sure whether it’s my age, sex, or ethnicity, but I suspect it’s a combination of all three. Anyhoo, I have decided to let it be his problem. I will of course continue to try and interact with him. One of the few things my late husband and father agreed upon was that I didn’t know when to stop.

Basically I still don’t.

Yes, you are dealing with a

far right that is far stronger now in the UK than in living memory. I mean 10 years ago could anyone imagine them winning council seats (they use to lose their deposits) let alone European ones?

Just so’s you know, I am white and I detest them.

Along with the vast majority of people that did not vote BNP.

I know that you in particular will see this as off the wall, but most white people are not your enemies. I would rather slit my wrists than vote BNP. Y’know, I am as angry as hell that you characterise anyone that is not of your religion as your enemy. For that is what you do, every time you comment here.

I am very fond of the folk that write here.

I like them.

Seriously.

I’ll only point to one person that comments here and say you are ‘beyond the pale’ in your reactions. And that is chairwoman.

If you at least attempted to engage in discussion rather than arguement, well, who knows?

A report on the TROP website can be found here:

http://www.chasingevil.org/2007/12/trop-website.html

http://ezralevant.com/2008/12/chrc-its-ok-to-say-gays-should.html

Good, innit ?

The BNP denies links to neo-Nazism or to the promotion of racial hatred, antisemitism and Holocaust denial. This report examines the extent to which many of its members and supporters continue to advocate such views online and associate with, and link to the websites of, those who do.

The report does what it set out to do, doesn’t it? It identifies the links between various BNP bloggers and commenters on the internet and exposes them for the neonazi scumbags that they are. That’s why it isn’t just a list of quotes from Nick Griffin’s speeches, you see. That’s not what the report is about.

In any event, the report wasn’t about whether or to what extent the BNP has shifted focus. That’s what you wanted it to be about, but what it was actually about was how the BNP uses online resources to market itself and disseminate its ideas. That’s what the conclusion dealt with. It was never intended to be an historical exploration of the evolution of the BNP’s strategy.

If you want a report that mentions Muslims more often, and with respect that is about as high as your objections can be put, then perhaps you should get yourself some funding and write the report you want to read, instead of rather childishly dismissing another blow in the fight against the BNP as an “epic fail”.

“Anyone can see that the current resurgence of the Far right is directly related to the increase in radical islamism in Europe”

Yeah its always the minorities fault- likewise it was the Jews fault in the 1930s eh Soso?

“The obstinate refusal on the part of moderate muslims not only to not reign these hot-heads, but also to deny they’re even a problem is part of that which fuels the Far right.”

oh fvk off- how exactly do you want Muslim to reign in hot heads? are you suggesting the Muslim community be given en masse the powers of the state? Extremist groups have been banned from mosques

What are you doing to reign in the BNP?

You of course mask the fact that there has always been a core of people opposed to coloured immigration from day one – ever heard of Enoch powell? was he the fault of Muslims too?

And the fact you consider Anas Al Tikriti (!) an extremist says it all

ali who are you? You have never posted on here then you suddenly pop up and ask me a question and demand to be answered!

Yahya – Despite the things you’ve listed, the honest answer to your question is nothing.

Thanks, I needed to hear someone say that. Thank God.

Anyone can see that the current resurgence of the Far right is directly related to the increase in radical islamism in Europe

The obstinate refusal on the part of moderate muslims not only to not reign these hot-heads, but also to deny they’re even a problem is part of that which fuels the Far right.

The one extremism feeds off the other.

And Far right ideas, and the supremacist attitudes they generate can be based on race OR on religion.

Peoeple here, in their haste to bash Whites, have lost sight of that.

Nick Griffin or Anas Altikriti, take your pick.

Same shit, different smell.

I can’t count the amount of times my concerns about the BNP has been shrugged aside by people saying “They’ll never get in here”, even after their unprecedented success in the European elections.

The report doesnt ‘miss’ the fact that the anti-Jewish rhetoric has been dumped – it highlights how beneath the veneer, the BNP has not changed from its neo-Nazi days of believing in a worldwide jewish conspiracy and that the holocaust never happened.

BTW, are you still dodging my Holocaust Memorial Day question to you? See comments 25 and 27. Cant you just admit you were wrong on that one?

This is true but the fact is we are dealing with a far right that is far stronger now in the UK than in living memory. I mean 10 years ago could anyone imagine them winning council seats (they use to lose their deposits) let alone European ones?

You are right to say the BNP hate Blacks and Jews as much if not more than Muslims (In their bizarre mind they seem to believe in some grand co-operation whereby Jews allowed milions of muslims to enter the UK) but what this report and arguing over who they hate more misses is the fact that they have dumped the anti-Jewish rhetoric because it wasnt a vote winner.
What has gained them unprecendented support is the anti-Muslim ticket so unless you deal with their and wider Islamophobia (which the CSC fail to do) you are simply strengthening them to eventually do what they may truly desire to blacks and jews.

It really is a case of “first they came for the Muslims”

They have dumped anti-semitism publicaly because it is no longer socially acceptable not because they dont believe in it. However as long as Islamophobia is socially acceptable they will feed off it and grow in strength.

Yahya – Despite the things you’ve listed, the honest answer to your question is nothing. No more than Jews or Black people did when they were the prime overt targets of the BNP and their predecessors. There seems to be a need for the British people to feel that some ‘outside’ group is stealing their jobs/women/housing/way of life, and a desire to get rid of them so that they can have them all back again, and IMHO it is just the Muslims’ turn.

Yes it’s vile, yes it’s unfair, but don’t wrack your brains, there is no real answer.

And shouldn’t we be asking the question: what conditions allowed for an anti-Muslim message to front-end and drive the BNP electoral success in recent times? Yes, there is extremism and terrorism, yes, there are conservative attitudes among British Muslims that cheese a lot of people off, yes, Muslims in this country have so many issues to sort out with other minority groups that suffer discrination (to name some of the major challenges), but for God’s sake isn’t this a line-in-the-sand moment? If any of us contributed, inadvertently or otherwise, to feeding the monster, let’s admit that, move on, and turn over a new leaf.

And another thing: if Douglas Murray was to resile from his support for Geert Wilders and other Eurabianists and an “Islam is the problem” position, then the CSC would have more chance of being taken seriously. There are too many big question marks for people not to have justifiable qualms as to why this report was put together in the way that it was.

Wa s-salam, Yahya