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    Proof the BNP are scum


    by Leon on 9th July, 2009 at 1:13 pm    

    Incredible comment from Nick Griffin:

    “But the only measure, sooner or later, which is going to stop immigration and stop large numbers of sub-Saharan Africans dying on the way to get over here is to get very tough with those coming over. Frankly, they need to sink several of those boats. Anyone coming up with measures like that, we’ll support, but anything which is there as a ‘oh, we need to do something about it’ but in the end doing something about it means bringing them into Europe we will oppose.”

    Of course it’s not incredible that this is what him and his ilk are like, we know how vile these people are. The incredible thing is how fast the media friendly mask has slipped. Perhaps now journalists will start asking some real questions of these people? Maybe those who voted for them would like to reflect on the fact that they’ve endorsed a party that condones murdering innocent civilians?

    If you believe Nick Griffin should be fought please join the Hope Not Hate campaign, contribute what you can whether it’s time, money or signing petitions. Every effort we make culminates into a greater effect. We’ve beaten back the Nazi’s before, we can do it again.



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    1. Der Bruno Stroszek — on 9th July, 2009 at 1:31 pm  

      So the only way to stop Africans dying is to kill Africans? I don’t expect much logical consistency from the Holocaust-denying boss-eyed knucklehead, but that’s pretty incredible.

    2. Henry Normal — on 9th July, 2009 at 1:35 pm  

      Liars. He clearly said that no-one should be killed but the boats should be sunk to prevent them from being used.
      You desperate, sad, sad, liars.

    3. OWJ Burnham — on 9th July, 2009 at 1:41 pm  

      He did indeed say that the boats should be sunk and, when challenged, added that people should not, necessarily, be murdered, but that we could “throw them a life raft and they can go back to Libya.”

      I think that the brief summary captured the spirit of the thing, given what an utter load of toss his addition was.

    4. Miriam Binder — on 9th July, 2009 at 1:55 pm  

      I am so glad that the pigfarmer has finally been allowed to enlarge on his policies. It shows what a shower of ill-thought out reactionary prejudices form the guiding principle behind them.

      Has he ever been on a sinking ship in high seas I wonder? Maybe he should try it and see how feasible the tossing of life rafts is to terrified men women and children.

    5. Leon — on 9th July, 2009 at 2:04 pm  

      Henry, it is clear that there’s no way that you can tell if someone can swim let alone what sea conditions would be like. Thus Griffin’s policy, if enacted, would result in many deaths of innocent civilians.

      This is the true face of the BNP. They are vile. They are scum.

    6. Miriam Binder — on 9th July, 2009 at 2:07 pm  

      What he said was a very thinly disguised advocation of murder. No matter how harsh the world gets I certainly hope it will never get so harsh that we take that sort of advocacy from elected officials in our stride.

    7. Miriam Binder — on 9th July, 2009 at 3:02 pm  

      @ chavscum 8 - Don’t be ridiculous. Of course they do despite the fact that thousands marched against it. So tell me, you think two wrongs make a right? You honestly believe that because some brown-nosing British PM and a gung-ho US President think it alright to declare war that the pig-farmer is justified in advocating drowning men, women and children?

    8. Katy Newton — on 9th July, 2009 at 3:03 pm  

      Yeah, ‘cos no elected officials would take us to war and invade another sovereign nation, resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent people on a pack of lies, would they?

      Yeah, Leon! The fact that innocent people get killed clearly makes it acceptable to kill innocent people!

    9. Carmenego — on 9th July, 2009 at 3:04 pm  

      #8 chavscum
      So you’re saying that because New Labour did it, it’s ok for the BNP to do it as well?
      If New Labour jumped off a cliff…? Just putting it out there ;-)

    10. Miriam Binder — on 9th July, 2009 at 3:11 pm  

      On the other hand … Maybe Leon is suggesting that the BNP are really only lemmings … blindly following where other numbskulls have lead the way.

    11. douglas clark — on 9th July, 2009 at 3:17 pm  

      If your first objective is to sink a ship then presumeably you have to attack it somehow. Perhaps with guns and rockets, or torpedoes. These are fairly lethal and are quite likely to kill folk, even before you can invoke your humanitarian credentials by chucking the survivors a few life rafts and buggering off.

      Bit like the German Wolf Packs torpedoing convoys in the Second World War. Neither their commanders nor this sick little fantasist cared less about the civillians involved.

      The BNP and their ilk are a dirty great big plook on the arse of this nation. For a country that (used to) take some pride in the fact that it’s Navy fought against slavery this is all really pretty sickening.

    12. Kismet Hardy — on 9th July, 2009 at 3:20 pm  

      ‘He clearly said that no-one should be killed but the boats should be sunk to prevent them from being used.’

      Well that makes it okay then. It’s perfectly rational outside of a war to call for the destruction of boats.

      I work near Katherine Wharf. Those bloody yachts outside my office window have been pissing me off for some time now. Maybe I should join the BNP after all…

    13. Yahya Birt — on 9th July, 2009 at 3:44 pm  

      Shirin Wheeler, the programme’s presenter, interrupted him to say the EU did not murder people. “I didn’t say anyone should be murdered at sea – I say boats should be sunk, they can throw them a life raft and they can go back to Libya,” Griffin said. “But Europe has, sooner or later, to close its borders or it’s simply going to be swamped by the third world.”

      Nick “Drown the Africans” Griffin. Scum, indeed. Well he’s drowning now and no political liferaft can save him from despicable comments like this. It is shaming to this country that someone like this is supposed to be representing British citizens at the European Parliament.

    14. Mantis — on 9th July, 2009 at 3:51 pm  

      Perhaps it is a good thing that the BNP got seats at the European Parliament. The opportunity give them enough rope to hang themselves with.

    15. damon — on 9th July, 2009 at 4:08 pm  

      Pickled Politics seems to be going a bit BNP crazy at the moment.
      Are they really worth commenting on this much?
      (And engaging in conversation too?)

      A much more interisting argument (in my opinion) would be to debate exactly what Europe should do about these migrating people from Africa.
      Is Spain doing the right thing? …by processing them in the Canary Islands and then (maybe after some time in detention), letting them out to continue their journys across Europe?

    16. Miriam Binder — on 9th July, 2009 at 4:11 pm  

      So throwing a life raft was just a ’sarcastic comment’? In other words he actually intended to merely sink the boats and leave the men women and children to their own devices?

      Immigration is not the problem that sinking boats carrying defenceless men, women and children is addressing. It is flight, flight from horrors you can only begin to imagine.

      Maybe you should spend some time lookig up the difference between ‘Immigrants’ ‘Migrants’ ‘Asylum Seekers’ and ‘Displaced People’ … it may help you see the reason the pigfarmer is such a chump!

    17. Miriam Binder — on 9th July, 2009 at 4:14 pm  

      No one given a real option would risk everything on the gamble of getting into Europe. If you read up on some of the circumstances and horrors most of these migrants try and get away from you would see that this migration is a desperate last ditch attempt.

    18. Carmenego — on 9th July, 2009 at 4:16 pm  

      #19 Miriam

      But that might force him to think outside his little pig-pen and then he’d become a woolly minded liberal like us! Oh noes!

      Hmmm… I might change my profile caption to “Leftie Indoctrinator”: A bit like the Terminator, but with equality instead of laser eyes.

    19. Leon — on 9th July, 2009 at 4:54 pm  

      He didn’t advocate killing anyone.

      He did, he can’t prove who can swim or not, thus people will die. Also, you can’t sink a boat without either ramming it or firing some form of weapon at it. Being under fire on a boat would cause panic and thus people would die. When the boat sinks it’s be a massive mess of debris floating about, fire etc, screaming people, children crying and people drowning. Throwing a life raft into that is not a humanitarian response.

      What ever way people such as yourself spin it Griffin is advocating murdering innocent civilians.

    20. Colin Brown — on 9th July, 2009 at 5:07 pm  

      Many (regular) contributors on PP are clearly intelligent. It is now time, to put that gift to good use.

      It is of paramount importance, that everyone currently settled and happy, with their lives in Europe take note of Nick Griffins statement. Because unless you do, you are bequeathing a terrible fate to your children and their grandchildren. I hope, that some of you, can find the resolve to put your preconceptions about the BNP aside for just 10 minutes to watch the video below.

      This is what Nick is trying to save you from.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ

    21. Jai — on 9th July, 2009 at 5:10 pm  

      Good article, Leon. (And I agree completely with your post #22 above too).

      I’ve said repeatedly that, in terms of mindset, worldview, agenda, behaviour, and attitude towards ‘The Other’, everything they say and do confirms that there is relatively little difference between Al Muhajiroun’s and the BNP’s respective members, supporters & apologists. And that they should all be treated accordingly.

      Indeed, some supporters of the BNP and its more openly violent ideological counterparts are essentially the ‘white supremacist’ equivalent of Al Qaeda and the Taliban. It is interesting to see that, with his explicit advocacy of the murder of unarmed African civilians, displaying yet again the extremely low value he places on the lives of non-white people and his psychopathic attitude towards them, Nick Griffin is very much in this camp.

      Interesting, but not surprising at all. However, as always it is very good to have his views on matters out in the open.

    22. douglas clark — on 9th July, 2009 at 5:14 pm  

      Being under fire on a boat would cause panic and thus people would die.

      Err, if the bullets, ship to ship missiles, torpedoes, shells, air burst munitions, etc, etc, didn’t get you first. ‘Course if none of that worked you could call in an air strike. Perhaps with Napalm. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think most military ships are built for ramming these days. Perhaps that’ll be the next thing in the BNPs’ Manifesto…. Triremes.

    23. Leon — on 9th July, 2009 at 5:35 pm  

      I’m humouring them Doug because clearly their attempts at spinning this on behalf of Griffin is bullshit. I figure one way to expose their inhumanity is to express my humanity.

      The point is clear for all to see the BNP are scum; Nick Griffin has provided yet more conclusive proof of that fact.

    24. douglas clark — on 9th July, 2009 at 5:37 pm  

      Colin Brown @ 23,

      Do you know what assumptions underlie these charts?

      I certainly don’t. But here is an assumption for you. I kind of bet that they are based on the idea that the birth rates of immigrant families will remain at whatever level they are at right now. Or, at least whenever that video was created. That there will be no change whatsoever in that figure. I’d say that flies completely in the face of the evidence. The birth rates of immigrant families fall substantially as they become established in a first world country. Indeed, amongst the more successful immigrants they become integrated into what you could see as the cultural norm. Indeed, because of mixed marrages it is kind of tough to project too far at all. Doesn’t stop your chum though, does it?

      Would you not be happier talking up your paranoia at say, Gates of Vienna or somesuch?

      Anyway, what’s not to like about ukulele afficionados?

    25. douglas clark — on 9th July, 2009 at 5:44 pm  

      Leon @ 26,

      I’m with you man!

      I’m just trying, through a bloody awful attempt at satire, to do exactly the same thing.

      5cc does this sort of stuff so much better than me.

    26. Colin Brown — on 9th July, 2009 at 5:48 pm  

      #27 Doug.

      OK Doug. Let’s take your word for it that Europe can assimilate the entire continent of Africa without anyone noticing.

      When they are all here, who, will remain in work?
      Black Americans have now been displaced by countless millions of Mexicans that President Obama has opened the border to.

      Is this the liberal future you had in mind for us all Doug? Or am I exaggerating again?

      http://tinyurl.com/n48rz4

    27. asquith — on 9th July, 2009 at 5:51 pm  

      “Black Americans have now been displaced by countless millions of Mexicans that President Obama has opened the border to.”

      Actually America has had high immigration for decades, & despite the opposition of some grassroots Republicans, GOP governments have never imposed serious restrictions because it wouldn’t suit right-wing businessmen to have their supply of cheap labour coming across.

      I know you’ve got a thing about Obama’s race, but you can hardly blame him for mass immigration into the USA.

      FWIW, I think they should have got a grip long, long ago & put severe restrictions on the Mexican border. It’s probably too late for them now.

    28. Don — on 9th July, 2009 at 5:52 pm  

      Colin,

      The fate of our children and grandchildren is, for many of us, a driving force behind our loathing of the BNP. How have you not grasped that?

      Preconceptions? Nah, we just know who you are and if we ever forget Nick is there to remind us.

    29. Miriam Binder — on 9th July, 2009 at 5:55 pm  

      Exaggerating? Nah, never. Merely reading into projections that are based on suppositions.

    30. Colin Brown — on 9th July, 2009 at 6:06 pm  

      #31.

      Don. What’s it like having your neck buried two feet in the sand. I’ve never tried that. When you eventually come up for air Don, I can’t help wondering if you are you this type of radio station caller.

      http://tinyurl.com/nmc5v4

    31. Miriam Binder — on 9th July, 2009 at 6:10 pm  

      @ 31 Colin Brown, what is it like to be so filled with fear that you would sooner accept the call to drown innocent men, women and children then dare look at alternative answers?

    32. douglas clark — on 9th July, 2009 at 6:20 pm  

      Colin Brown,

      Och, stop being ridiculous! If everyone in Africa came here, I’d go there and be Tarzan! And there wouldn’t be another soul there to snigger at me.

      A whole continent to myself and intelligent creatures like gorillas and the like to converse with on our newly established ook!net.

      Joking apart, and I trust you were joking, where have I ever said what you claim I did. Quote:

      Let’s take your word for it that Europe can assimilate the entire continent of Africa without anyone noticing.

      Have I ever said that? Point me to it mate. Point me to it.

      What I am saying is that I don’t think nation states borders are particularily important, nor do I think the ebb and flow of people is a particular matter for concern. I think cultural and racial mixing is probably a good thing. On the balance of probabilities that you think it ain’t.

      So you propose your fantasy land Shire, which you got from LotR, where buxom lasses marry bashful men and they eat drink and are merry far into the night and are probably actually incapable of making out with elves or others. Who have a perverted idea of ‘goodness’ written into their very souls.

      It is that idea of ‘goodness’ that I completely reject. And, much as I object to Richard Dawkins trying to speak for me as an atheist, I really, really object to you trying to speak for me as a white person.

      You, sir, and I, are on a far wider cultural chasm than I’d have ever, naively, believed possible. Your hatred, yet the tolerance you have been shown here, is a juxtaposition too far.

      It is a cliché I know, but there ain’t no race but the human race.

    33. douglas clark — on 9th July, 2009 at 6:48 pm  

      Colin Brown @ 29, and ad infinitum,

      Could you explain to me the underlying assumptions of your chums’ chart at 23? I’ve asked you once, I’ve asked you twice. Just, as a for instance of it’s unreliability, squinting at his charts the population projection for right now seems to be about 100m too high, but maybe that’s the trouble with the video or something, and you have to extrapolate on an empty y axis, which is always a tad dodgy. Perhaps he justifies it on some sort of reverse logrithmic goobledygook?

      Who knows? If you bring evidence, lets see it clearly and without a prestidigitation, or sleight of hand. That, might be a step too far for a party founded on anecdote…

    34. Don — on 9th July, 2009 at 6:50 pm  

      Douglas,

      ook!net is Orangutans, mate. Let’s not have any mixing of the primates. Colin would pitch a fit.

    35. douglas clark — on 9th July, 2009 at 7:09 pm  

      Don,

      A fellow Terry Pratchett fan. Now there’s a minority not to be messed with.

      I apologise deeply and sincerely to any lovers of Discworld for mistaking Orangutans for Gorillas. Oops! The Librarian is after me!

    36. Dani — on 9th July, 2009 at 7:24 pm  

      No no no, douglas:

      That’s only if you call him a monke-

      *OOK!*

      *runs for his life*

    37. Miriam Binder — on 9th July, 2009 at 7:41 pm  

      Quick!!!! Throws Douglas and Dani a bunch of bananas … over him a peace banana!

    38. douglas clark — on 9th July, 2009 at 7:42 pm  

      Dani,

      :-)

      Now we are getting down to serious issues! I feel a Laurie Penny moment coming on:

      http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/07/07/harry-potter-and-the-fascist-ubermensch/

      But in a different sort of way.

      An end of term paper:

      Why Terry Pratchett is the only person in the whole wide world that actually understands what it is to be English and why he doesn’t hate himself. What it could mean for you.

      Discuss.

      If you mention the BNP once, marks will be deducted, if you mention them twice you will be expelled from the Unseen University….

    39. Miriam Binder — on 9th July, 2009 at 7:42 pm  

      Then you can make your apologies in the Broken Drum!

    40. douglas clark — on 9th July, 2009 at 7:47 pm  

      Miriam,

      You are a believer too!

      Eats banana.

      Keeps running…

    41. douglas clark — on 9th July, 2009 at 7:57 pm  

      Miriam @ 42,

      (Ain’t 42 the answer to everything?)

      Maybe the Mended Drum? The Broken Drum is Monkey Island, I think.

      Stops and pauses.

      Oh noes I’ve got a Orangutan on my back….

    42. douglas clark — on 9th July, 2009 at 8:29 pm  

      Wow!

    43. Don — on 9th July, 2009 at 9:21 pm  

      Way to spoil the moment, Mr.

      Raise a glass to Terry.

    44. Adam — on 9th July, 2009 at 11:24 pm  

      A Day the the Life of Colin Brown,

      10:00am Wake up.
      10:02am Put on Jermemy Kyle
      10:35am Leave the house to cash my giro
      10:50am Giro cashed by a Paki who owns the Post Office. Wonder why my life is such a mess. Blame the Paki. It couldn’t possibly be because I’m a maloderous, bloater with no discernable talent.
      11:20am Wonder if Fern would allow me a quicj diddy ride.
      11:25am Fart
      11:30am Scratch balls and have a wank over a snap of dear depated mother.
      Noon Scrape the dried bits off a Dairylea tub and consume, place in pot. The meter runs out so scrape the pot. Wonder if eating bits of non-stick is fatal.
      12:15pm Go for snooze and dream of an all English world.
      2pm Awake inspired and rewrite Imagine starting ‘Imagine theres no wogs’.
      2:17pm Wish my nipples weren’t so sensitive.
      2:30pm Wipe myself of with a tissue having dreamt of bumming Bangladeshi trannies.
      2:35pm Go online thinking maybe Nick will notice me if I smear enough unsubstantied shit in enough comment boxes.
      3:20pm Go to the local primary school gates and offer to show the bows my tinfoil helmet.
      3:30pm Ask the kids if they want to see some silverfish.
      3:33pm Oh God I’m so alone.
      3:45pm Standing by a suburban pond
      4pm Throw myself in tied to a brick and a note whining about being deprived of my ENGLISH CULTURE.
      4:25pm Lie damply in the pond wondering why no one has come to find me. It’s so cold and I’m so very alone.
      4:57pm Start thinking that I’m an ill educated moron with no knowledge of English Culture earlier than 1974. Realise that I like a bit of English produced American influenced A.O.R but know fuck all else about art, music and culture.
      5:15pm Brick myself in the face for being a race traitor. See a Paki and feel oddly aroused.
      5:29pm Home at last. Fantasize about raping black two year olds.
      5:37pm Go for nap.
      7pm Awake. Turn pants inside out. If the skiddies are on the voutside you can always blame someone else. If I don’t pull there’s always Simple Debbie, brain of a dog tits of a freak.
      8pm. Stand about emitting smell of farts, cheese an onion and aftershave.
      8:15pm Pick a fight with the smallest weediest Paki in the pub. Me and my fifty mates should take him no problem.
      9:00pm If I follow this giorl all night she’s bound to submit or get so drunk she’ll be easy to rape.
      10pm BARRED FROPM THE PUB ENGLISH NOT BRITISH ITS PC GONE MAD
      10:05pm It was only a glass.
      10:06pm …and a sword
      10:07pm…and me and fifty white men against one woman.
      10:08pm Sometime I despise myself buit I don’t know why.
      11pm Put on some GOOD ENGLISH NOT BRITISH MUSIC like Sinead O’Conner, Blondie and Midnight Oil. That’ll fuck the Pakis.
      11:22pm Oh fuck I’ve shat myself.
      4am Nail bombs
      5am WHY DOESNT NICK LOVE ME OK IM A BIT LUMPY AND HAVE TITS LIKE A LITTLE LADY BUT IAM WHITE
      5:30am REALISE I AM THE MASTER RACE
      6:27am BREAK INTO OLD FOLKS HOME MY GOD THEY WILL SEE THE MAN I AM NOW
      6:45am Shits in pants
      6:47am farts
      6:58am Phones Quizcall
      7:26am Goes to bed.
      10am Wakes up

    45. jookymundo — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:00 am  

      Adam

      Is that a poem or something?

      because it reads like a fucked up one.

    46. British Fascist Politician: "Sink Immigrants' Boats"…. Black Looks » Anti immigration in…. | Total Info — on 10th July, 2009 at 2:11 am  

      [...] Of course it’s not incredible that this is what him and his ilk are like, we know how vile these people are. The incredible thing is how fast the media friendly mask has slipped. PerhapRead more at http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/5100 [...]

    47. douglas clark — on 10th July, 2009 at 4:05 am  

      The second day in the life of oor wee Colin,

      4:30pm: Wakes up. Where did the day go?

      4:32pm: logs on to Pickled Politics. Oh, whoopee! Lots of folk to insult there!

      4:33 until bedtime: Insult everyone in sight.

      Bedtime: strangely aroused by people actually discussing shit with me. Now that ain’t normal! As you fall asleep, you dream of a perfect world where anyone, anywhere actually believes your shtick….

      Oh, well, as the dreams come, you just know that 0.7% of the population love you, and they’re just as crazy as you. Perhaps you’ll get a shag from a BNP babe? It is so comforting to know you are a minority, ain’t it?

      —————————————-

      Jai is right. There is nothing to chose between the philosophy of a BNP footsoldier and an Al Quaida fan. They both share similar loose screws in their brains.

    48. douglas clark — on 10th July, 2009 at 4:53 am  

      jookymundo @ 48,

      Perhaps it is is not a poem. Perhaps it is you.

    49. damon — on 10th July, 2009 at 7:32 am  

      I watched that youtube that Colin Brown did a link to @ 23. The one called ”immigration gumballs”.
      I thought it was interesting enough, and although I don’t see much point with debating actual BNP type racists (I know a couple and have found it to be futile), I think some of the places where they take their sources from should be discussed.

      I think that Americans being opposed to ongoing mass immigration is a legitimate position to take.

      The US census figured the population of the US as follows:
      1970 - 203 million
      1980 - 226 million
      1990 - 248 million
      2000 - 281 million ….. and now the population is over 300 million.

      I don’t know when that youtube was made, but he had the figure of 300 million being projected into the scary future when everything would start to get impossible for America.
      There is still plenty of wide open space in the USA. But on the other hand, because of the way that American cities grow, urban sprawl is a really big problem, which in my opinion has ‘ruined’ America.

      Instead of wasting time having fun playing about with BNP types, I’d prefer to try to tackle some of the difficult issues they bring up.

      I mentioned youth gang culture in London a few days ago and was it was said by a couple of people on PP that the real scandal of African youths who had come to the UK as children getting involved in the negative street culture was the fault of the wider society for not being able to reach out to these vunerable young people.
      I agree, but I accept that it’s not just hardcore racists who would scoff at that kind of liberalism.

      These kinds of statistics concern more than just BNP types:
      ”An unpublished report has revealed that Lambeth is home to a quarter of all London’s youth gangs.
      Research commissioned by Lambeth Council found there were 40 gangs operating in the area, with one gang thought to have 2,500 members.”
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7243742.stm

    50. douglas clark — on 10th July, 2009 at 8:03 am  

      damon,

      I too watched that video. I have questions to ask about it. Please, don’t read what it says on the tin.

      I suspect it is a piece of dishonest propoganda.

      But there you go.

      You seem to me to be a sort of “you are what you read” person. Does your logic extend to any regular commentator on here, Jai for example? Or Sunny perhaps?

      I tend to find most of the regulars on here to be, at the very least, honest in what they say.

      You could almost say I admire them….

    51. damon — on 10th July, 2009 at 8:57 am  

      Blimey Douglas Clark, that’s a bit of a tall order, (commenting on the likes of Sunny and Jai I mean).
      I too have a great deal of admiration for many of the regulars on PP. And compared to many, I’m woefully uninformed.
      I do wonder though why so much time is given over to analysing every twist and turn that comes from the BNP. That does seem to be a bit OTT to me. (But then, as a white guy, maybe their minor successes doesn’t jar with me in he same way).

      As for the youtube video, yes it was alarmist propaganda, but that doesn’t mean that its basic points do not have validity.
      And if you want to argue for an ever enlarging population (in a place like the USA) then that would be fine too.

      In my opinion there is still plenty of room in the USA (and even the UK) for increased population growth.
      But we would have to organise our society in a different way perhaps, so that increased migration from poorer countries didn’t lead to the growth of poverty in particular neighbourhoods.

      The BNP go on about this ”importing of poverty” - one such person said as much on this website just the other day when he commented about Peckham in South London, and was saying what (in his mind) a hell hole it was.
      I go through Peckham all the time, and while I quite like it (being as diverse and somewhat anarchic as it seems sometimes) - I can see why not everyone sees it in a positive way.
      It certainly has some difficult social issues.
      I wouldn’t just put the PC gloss on it that in my opinion, Ger Francis did the other way when he just declared that multi-cultural Britain is a growing success story.
      It is in some ways and is not doing so well in others.

    52. Yahya Birt — on 10th July, 2009 at 9:28 am  

      Mr. Griffin is so unpalatable that even other far-right parties like Vlaams Belang and Jobbik in Europe don’t want to play with him:

      1. He endorsed a statement from MEP Philip Claeys of the Flemish far-right Vlaams Belang party that Islam was a cancer that threatened civilisation and that needed chemotherapy. Later on in the same C4 report (see video), Mr Claeys distanced himself from the idea that peoples and religions should be compared with diseases.

      http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/domestic_politics/bnpaposs+griffin+islam+is+a+cancer/3257872

      2. Even Jobbick which has its own militia, the Hungarian Guard, which wears Nazi-style regalia and tries to tackle what it terms as Gypsy crime by Roma travellers doesn’t want Mr. Griffin. On the record again, he can’t help but associate the Roma in Britain with criminality and dirtiness.

    53. Rob — on 10th July, 2009 at 10:13 am  

      Hey!

      If Somalia can play Pirates, then why not us?

      Of course the Italians came up with this awesome idea first, not Griffin.

      More of them will end up in Davy Jones’s Locker through poor seamanship than us anyhow.

      It’s not like the world is gonna run out of Africans.

    54. Colin Brown — on 10th July, 2009 at 10:14 am  

      Are the ramblings of Pat Condell any more, or less offensive than Nick Griffins comments on Islam?

      http://tinyurl.com/kkfved

      Feedback please.

    55. douglas clark — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:01 pm  

      damon,

      Blimey Douglas Clark, that’s a bit of a tall order, (commenting on the likes of Sunny and Jai I mean).

      No, it’s not. I have hung around here a lot, and frankly both Sunny and Jai are my sort of people. I wouldn’t be bothered with a web site that excluded me.

      My best chum on here, Rumbold, and I can agree to disagree without acrimony. Though, if you started a vendetta against him, well, I’d be on his side, and I am a nasty bastard….

    56. chavscum — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:02 pm  

      “I go through Peckham all the time, and while I quite like it (being as diverse and somewhat anarchic as it seems sometimes) – I can see why not everyone sees it in a positive way.”

      Classic statement from a middle-class leftie. Mass immigration and multi-culturalism is great for everyone else but themselves. What are you going to do when they make school admissions lottery based? Are you going to risk little Camilla getting gang raped by a bunch of black kids?

    57. douglas clark — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:13 pm  

      Classic statement from a middle-class leftie. Mass immigration and multi-culturalism is great for everyone else but themselves. What are you going to do when they make school admissions lottery based? Are you going to risk little Camilla getting gang raped by a bunch of black kids?

      I’d have thought that gang rape might just be the sort of thing that working class scum such as chavscum has in the forefront of what he thinks is his brain.

    58. douglas clark — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:19 pm  

      In other words he is mad. Anyone disagree?

    59. Carmenego — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:24 pm  

      #60/61
      “Working class” implies he has a job

      Otherwise no disagreements from me Doug.

      @chavscum
      Aren’t you supposed to be banned? Bloody liberal lefties, giving you a voice on their forum.

    60. Colin Brown — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:32 pm  

      #60

      No Douglas, you are once again wrong. Unregulated mass-immigration will affect every square mile of the UK eventually.

      Liberals such as yourself can only escape the carnage of enforced multiculturalism for so long. Your ivory tower will topple over eventually.

      You’ll then have no choice, other than to wear a stabvest everywhere you walk like the rest of us in the near future.

      Did I mention that Liberalism is a disorder of the mind? http://tinyurl.com/l7c225

      I like liberals Doug, in many ways you are inoffensive individuals - yet paradoxically, you people beckon the very destruction of mankind.

      Like I said. You are ill.

      Help available below.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tPlkE5DkHc

    61. Bill Corr — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:37 pm  

      These pitiable Africans ought to stay in Africa …

      1- Bob Geldof can snivel about them

      2- Mary Robinson can demand more EU funds for them [which will be diverted to buy General Ngugu a new Lear Jet]

      3- The enterprising among them can send us e-mail telling us we have $10m. ready and waiting for us

      4- Madonna can visit periodcally and adopt a picanniny or two

    62. Kismet Hardy — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:40 pm  

      “wear a stabvest everywhere you walk like the rest of us”

      You walk around with a stab vest everywhere you walk? In this heat? And think there’s lots of other white folk walking around doing just that?

      No disorder of the mind there…

    63. douglas clark — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:40 pm  

      Apologies for the ‘working class’. My sons and daughter are probably ‘working class’, and I competely love them….

    64. Carmenego — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:46 pm  

      #65 Bill

      What do you do for a living?

    65. 1mongrel — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:55 pm  

      Douglas (67).

      Stats on Gang Rape don’t seem to bear you out-

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3397433.stm

      You’ll need to look past the spin and excuses but who’s doing it and who are the victims is plain enough. (Strange how they claim that the ethnicity of the offenders merely reflect the locality, if that’s the case why doesn’t the ethnicity of the victims also reflect the locality?).

    66. Colin Brown — on 10th July, 2009 at 12:56 pm  

      #66

      Why the omission Kismet? Did my original inclusion of the word ‘future’ spoil your liberal retort?

      Liberals are mad: http://tinyurl.com/l7c225

    67. Carmenego — on 10th July, 2009 at 1:07 pm  

      #69

      Did you even bother reading that article you muppet?

      “But Scotland Yard said youths from other ethnic groups, including whites, were involved in the gangs, suggesting that the attacks were linked to patterns of youth crime rather than simply race.”

    68. damon — on 10th July, 2009 at 1:13 pm  

      I don’t know why that statment chavscum quoted by me makes me middle class. I’m just a delivery driver and my time spent in Peckham is usually just driving through and doing deliveries there. I used to deliver to a major high street store on Rye Lane most days a couple of years ago
      I’d take my lunch break walking around Peckham, and just looking at the streetscape.
      I can see what chavscum sees there too.
      For example, when you walk past those busy halal butchers shops like the ones on Rye Lane, and inside there are up to a dozen of these yong guys of indeterminate origin working there, (my guess is Afghan or Kurdish), you just know that many of them must have come to the country ilegally. These were the guys who were trying to run down the Channel Tunnel from France that we saw on News at Ten.

      I also see the ridiculousness (and almost apartheid) between the comprehensive schools in the bourough of Southwark (in Peckham and Camberwell) and the private schools just nearby (in Dulwich). Seeing the kids as they go to and from school as I drive past.
      The private (mostly white) prepschool children being taken to school by their mums in their 4×4 cars does make me laugh a bit. While just down the road, the comprehensive kids (majority black) seem better prepared to live in their environment.
      Not as well educated in school as the posh kids perhaps, but more well rounded.

      Btw. I wouldn’t get overly worked up about what Nick Griffin said about sinking boats. It’s the way people talk. A certain devil -may -care kind of atitude that is quite common in the country.
      It’s how large sections of people think.
      It’s the talk of ‘white van man’ and TalkSport radio listeners.
      Yes the BNP are scum.
      And what? Is the Pope a catholic?
      But I’d still like to know what the right thing to do about the ”boat people” from Africa should be.

      Should we adopt a policy like the USA has for fleeing Cubans? (which is: get your feet on to dry land of the USA and you are granted admission.)
      There has to be some policy. Just beating up on (the pathetic) BNP seems pointless.

    69. douglas clark — on 10th July, 2009 at 1:17 pm  

      Colin,

      Contrarywise, Liberals are not mad. We do not think a daft video is the answer to everything. We do wonder why you can’t answer a simple point -

      Don. What’s it like having your neck buried two feet in the sand. I’ve never tried that. When you eventually come up for air Don, I can’t help wondering if you are you this type of radio station caller.

      It is not Don that has his head buried in the sand, it is you….

    70. 1mongrel — on 10th July, 2009 at 1:20 pm  

      Carmenego (69).

      Not only read it - I understood it. (Remember, read twice then think). Apparently Albanians, Turks and even North Africans are “White” by Home Office definition. Try a bit of Intellectual Rigour for a change, read “through” what the media would have you believe. Regurgitating the brainwashing you received at State Reprogamming Facility #52 and highlighting just the bit you could swallow is insufficient.

    71. Colin Brown — on 10th July, 2009 at 1:33 pm  

      #73.

      Maybe I’m a vicim Doug.

      http://tinyurl.com/lwdzhc

    72. Carmenego — on 10th July, 2009 at 1:34 pm  

      #74 1mongrel

      “Apparently Albanians, Turks and even North Africans are “White” by Home Office definition.”

      Doesn’t that just piss you off something chronic? They have white skin and everything. It’s like they’re trying to erode at British Culture by having the same colour skin as you.

      Yeah I’ll agree, you understood it… at least the bits of it you read.

      Also, if I was to believe the media, then all immigrants are scum, all black people are rapists, and all BNP members are thick, uneducated, fat, ugly, social failures who can regurgitate dodgy statistics and racist rants by their cronies but are unable to give a straight answer when questioned something they may later come to rely on in court.

      Remember, darling, THINK, then type ;-) yeah?

    73. Colin Brown — on 10th July, 2009 at 1:40 pm  

      Doug is every piece of video I provide pointless in a liberals mind? What about this one.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo7GOsXpDtQ

      Any truth in that on Doug? Or am I just imagining that my wallet is 2/3rds lighter these days?

    74. Carmenego — on 10th July, 2009 at 1:40 pm  

      #75 chavscum

      “one of 300+ 70%+ ethnic dominated schools”

      Are you saying that over 70% of all the schools in the UK have more non-UK/white students in them than UK/white students?

      That’s pretty impressive. When those white children grow up, if they want to have kids, they’ll have no choice but to mix with the non whites to breed and then in 20 years time there won’t be any white people left in the UK. At all. Ever again. Unless the vikings attack. Eek!

    75. 1mongrel — on 10th July, 2009 at 1:46 pm  

      Carmenego (77).

      Doesn’t piss me off at all, I realize that The British State represents neither a people or a geography (Soon it will float of into the clouds) The British People will decide who is and isn’t British. Now just think for a minute how ethnicity was manipulated in that article “African”, “Caribbean”, “Indian”, “Pakistani”, “White”. Can you see the odd one out? Now see if you can think why (Don’t worry, I wont charge you for this lesson in critical thinking).

    76. Carmenego — on 10th July, 2009 at 1:57 pm  

      #80

      Ooh ooh, I know - “white” doesn’t have an “a” in it.

      You gubbin. If the British State represents neither a geography or a people, what exactly is it that you are harping on about?

      Why do you have such a problem with diversity in the UK? No-one’s forcing you to give up drinking, or making you cover up your face when you go out, or stopping you hanging out in public toilets at the weekends.

      Use short words if you want, can you give me a list of 5 ways in which non-whites limit your life?

    77. 1mongrel — on 10th July, 2009 at 2:04 pm  

      Carmanego (81)

      The main problem with diversity is its lack of diversity. What a strange term to use for the State Imposition of a Khaki Monoculture, still that’s newspeak for you.

    78. Carmenego — on 10th July, 2009 at 2:30 pm  

      #84
      Colin lol. I honestly cannot believe that you are genuinely afraid of this.
      Just because there are more mosques, it doesn’t follow that you have to go to them! I’m not a muslim, so any muslim perspective on this from anyone else on this thread would be nice…

      You will enjoy the freedom to drink and smoke (albeit outdoors - I’m not happy with this law either) and do all the things that you enjoy as part of a British culture because the vast majority of Brits enjoy doing them as well. Myself included. If more mosques are built and everyone in the UK converts, that’s their choice to do so, because we have this thing called “freedom to express religion” or something or other and it applies to everyone.

      Seriously, have a bit of faith in your fellow Brits. If they don’t agree with something that a radical religious nut (from any religion) says, they’re not going to go along with it.

      Why can’t you see that it’s a such an irrational fear?

    79. billaricaydicky — on 10th July, 2009 at 2:42 pm  

      Read these two articles before anyone says anymore. http://www.searchlightmagazine.com. Go to archive and put in Terry Fitzpatrick. The writer has actually been to one of the former main jump off points into Europe and while sympathising with the plight of these Africans believes that with open borders with a very short space of time the whole of Africa would be in Europe.

      At some point the left has to take this on board and stop chanting the mantra of “No borders”.

    80. Colin Brown — on 10th July, 2009 at 3:02 pm  

      #88

      Indeed.

      We need to stop pretending - because that’s what we’re doing: pretending - that all cultures are equal, when we can clearly see they’re not. Islamic culture is not equal to Western culture; it encourages violence against women, against Jews and homosexuals. It sanctions polygamy and marrying old men to young children in a disgusting travesty of human relations.

      Anyone in the West advocating these values would very quickly find themselves in jail. It’s not equal - it’s inferior - and given Islam’s openness about its totalitarian agenda, this is not something that should be encouraged in any way. It should be discouraged by firm legislation and by rigorous enforcement of the law. Remember, the law?

    81. Carmenego — on 10th July, 2009 at 3:23 pm  

      #80 Colin

      What a load of shit.

      We really need to stop pretending that all opinions are equal.

      “Anyone in the West advocating these values would very quickly find themselves in jail. ”

      Which is precisely why there are muslims in British jails… what’s your point?

      Totalitarian agenda? - how many muslims have personally approached you and forced you to marry a child, or attack a homosexual? You can do all of that without religion ;-)

    82. Colin Brown — on 10th July, 2009 at 3:39 pm  

      #81 Carmenego.

      Sorry, didn’t mean to offend, it’s just that it has now turned into a gloomy, rainy day where I am, but it could be worse; I could be in Saudi Arabia where men are men, and women are cattle. Can I say that?

      The Saudi Arabian Human Rights Commission - now complains that Muslims living in Europe are denied human rights and are not allowed to freely practice their religion. How about that, we’re being lectured on human rights by Saudi Arabia! What’s next, animal welfare from the Koreans?

      Sorry again, Jai’s been removing my comments. Just thought I’d blow off some steam. No offense.

    83. Mantis — on 10th July, 2009 at 3:42 pm  

      To Colin BrownTrout.

      The fact that you see the world in stereotypes, clearly illustrates you level of education-or lack of!

      I guess you never traveled further than you own backyard.

    84. Colin Brown — on 10th July, 2009 at 4:00 pm  

      #83. Wow Mantis. I’m mortally wounded by your intellectual prowess. What a gift you have.

    85. Bill Corr — on 10th July, 2009 at 4:04 pm  

      No time to post a link but I recommend you all try going to *Steyn Online* and following the over-expanding Canadian Human Rights debate, especially that portion of the debate which discusses the teachings of Imam Hammaad Sulaiman Dameus Al-Hayiti*, who has most generously posted his text on the Qur’an and the Sunna on the ‘net [only in French so far.]

      Other generous souls - go to them via Steyn - have translated huighlights of the Imam’s teachings into Canuck English and I’m sure you’ll all be greatly enlightened.

      A contributor asked what I do for a living; I’m a college teacher in the Arabian Peninsula.

      =================================================

      * The Imam’s name was initially puzzling but a ‘net search revealed that he is Haitian in origin. Only a cad would suggest that the Madinah-educated Imam made a single flying leap from the exquisite ecstasies of Haitian voodoo - biting off the heads of cockerels and so on - to the demanding studies of the Muslim sacred texts.

    86. Carmenego — on 10th July, 2009 at 4:05 pm  

      #82 Colin

      If I said “You’re an ugly wanker” would you get offended? I’d really hope not as you’re an intelligent person and I have no idea what you look like or what your masturbatory patterns are.

      Saudi Arabia can say what they like about our human rights record, but it’s opinions like yours that enable them to do so.

      Give Britain something to be really proud of by looking at the bigger picture, and accepting people for the qualities they bring to this wonderful country, whether they’re born here or not.

      If you want to campaign for a woman’s right to not be raped if she goes out in a miniskirt, join a feminist protest.

      If you disagree that people should be allowed to take drugs in your local park, protest against it. Go to your local councillor.

      When you read a story like Saudi Arabia condemming Britain when we have a tolerant approach to diversity, write a letter to the publisher.

      Don’t just sit in your ivory tower and post links to bad youtube videos! You’re smarter than that!

    87. Jai — on 10th July, 2009 at 4:18 pm  

      Sorry again, Jai’s been removing my comments. Just thought I’d blow off some steam. No offense.

      I’m not one of this website’s editors, Colin — ask one of them instead.

      And, incidentally, if you think that everyone else who comments on this website and opposes you is a “liberal” or “left-wing” in the stereotypical sense, or even remotely a “Marxist” or a “Socialist” (to use a couple of the BNP’s favourite insults), then you really are even more gullible than I thought.

      I expect you even believe that the only reason you’ve been allowed to continue to comment on this blog at all is due to a concern about “freedom of speech”. How naive.

      You really do have a great deal to learn about the way the real world works — not to mention the fact that the BNP’s leaders would simply disown your statements here if they drew any flack for it, resulting in all your daily efforts being completely wasted.

      But again, in terms of being cannon fodder who are being ruthlessly exploited and manipulated by their own leaders, I guess the biggest fools on the planet really are the footsoldiers of the BNP, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Al-Muhajiroun.

      Your priority should now be finding ways to extricate yourself from the situation and rejoin the rest of the human race. No prizes to anyone else for guessing exactly why you’re so afraid of letting your GP find out about the reality of your views on race and your perspective on the world in general, not to mention what you do online.

      But there’s still time for you to salvage your life. Whether you resolve matters via your GP or as a result of your own independent efforts is up to you. As I said, I recommend taking the professional route. Use your doctor as a sounding board for your opinions and you will quickly learn the benefits of someone in your situation receiving an informed, professionally-qualified opinion about your ideas, conduct and activities. And that will serve as an excellent first step on your road to recovery.

      If not, then I expect your fate will be the same as the other brainwashed, deranged sheep who place such a tragically misguided amount of trust in the cults of Messrs Griffin, Bin Laden, Al-Zawahiri and Choudary.

    88. Bill Corr — on 10th July, 2009 at 4:35 pm  

      Carmenego -

      The Kabyles of Algeria [i.e. the region inland from Bejaia] are as ‘white’ as most English folks. As are the people of Sust in the very last few miles of northern Pakistan [although they are just a teeny bit more very-slightly-Mongoloid in appearance than the average Brit.]

      It would be a good idea to get off the absurd construct of race and think in terms of ethno-cultural groups and their good and bad social pathologies, recognising - of course - that Bernie Madoff never stuck up a liqour store or mugged a passer-by.

      As Woody Guthrie sang ” … some will rob you with a six-gun and some with a fountain pen.”

    89. 5cc — on 11th July, 2009 at 1:14 pm  

      Very late to this party - which is normally the case for me, but at least I haven’t turned up boozed.

      I just thought it would be worth pointing out to Colin that when he says:

      Unregulated mass-immigration will affect every square mile of the UK eventually.

      He is referring to something that doesn’t exist, like when he referred to the law that says women and ethnic minorities must be employed ahead of white men.

      We do have restrictions on immigration to the UK. They might not be as strict as Colin would like (very little would be), but they exist.

    90. Chris Baldwin — on 12th July, 2009 at 9:51 am  

      Seriously, if all the people who voted BNP at the recent elections left the country and were replaced by sub-Saharan Africans, I think Britain would be a much better place for it.

    91. Carmenego — on 12th July, 2009 at 10:13 am  

      #88 Bill Corr

      Haha! Brilliant, you’ve managed to imply that I’ve been preoccupied with “race” etc when that’s exactly what you and your fellow BNP sympathisers been doing… fail.

      I’ve been sexually assaulted twice by white european men. Does that mean you guys are all rapists? Of course not you doughnut.

      I’ve also been given directions by pathologically helpful non-whites. You really need to go back to school. Take an evening psychology A-level or something, you can get discounts in most boroughs on part time courses if you’re claiming benefits (I used to work for my local council in their education dept).

    92. munir — on 12th July, 2009 at 10:26 am  

      Jai
      “But again, in terms of being cannon fodder who are being ruthlessly exploited and manipulated by their own leaders, I guess the biggest fools on the planet really are the footsoldiers of the BNP, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Al-Muhajiroun.”

      Actually you forgot to mention US and UK soldiers sent to Iraq to be cannon fodder by greedy politicians who had and have no intention of putting themselves or their own children in harms way.

    93. Miriam Binder — on 12th July, 2009 at 10:40 am  

      The more I read from BNP sympathisers and supporters the more I am reminded of the old adage, “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink” …

    94. Carmenego — on 12th July, 2009 at 10:44 am  

      Ahem @Miriam #93

      “Just because you’re born in a stable, it doesn’t make you a horse” lol :-) my favourite BNP sympathiser analogy. They tie in quite nicely together, don’t they? x

    95. chairwoman — on 12th July, 2009 at 12:31 pm  

      Horses are intelligent, friendly, non-racist, sentient beings.

    96. damon — on 12th July, 2009 at 3:47 pm  

      I heard about the Southwark Park Festival in south east London being cancelled last night because of gangs of youths clashing and someone being stabbed.
      When I googled it, as well as coming up with the BBC website, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8146301.stm
      I also saw another from what looked like an internet forum. I clicked on it and saw it was a Millwall football club fans forum.
      It seems that a couple of them had been to it and had started a thread about it.

      I’ll do a link to it in a minute … but can I give my reasons for doing so? There are some racists who give their opinions on it, and some others who are not themselves racist. In fact, I saw another thread on their site which was about a bunch of neo-nazis from all over Europe turning up in Somerset for some fascist event, and many of these Millwall fans were saying very hostile things about the neo-nazis.

      I think it’s important to try to understand the thinking of people like this. That part of the white working class from a places like that, who used to the south London equivalents of the East End cockneys.
      Nowadays, they are somewhat of a minority in some of the neighbourhoods in which they have their roots in.

      Of course you have to dismiss the hard core racists among them, but I found it interesting that as a group, this kind of racism is tolerated.
      I would say that they seem to be quite typical of that section of the white working class from which they come. And that if you want to fight the rise of the BNP you should really try to understand the mentality of people like that. (I used to know a lot of people like that).

      I’d say that it’s worth sticking with into the second page (despite a few of them who are particulary racist), and I’d say look out for the youtube link that one of them does half way down page 2.
      It’s from a local black youth ”crew” who now rule the roost in the estates where these guys grew up (and several it seems have moved away to more distant suburbs).
      Ger Francis insisted that multi cultural Britain was a growing success story on PP last week. I’d like to agree, and hope it continues. But there are some issues too that are best not swept under the carpet.

      I hope my doing this link is seen in the way I have intended it. Not as a provocation or anything like that, but something that might aid our understanding of difficult issues.
      http://www.millwall.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=33635&start=1

    97. Scots Tiger — on 12th July, 2009 at 3:57 pm  

      The appalling Bill Corr has been struck off, it seems.

      Is he the same William Corr who wrote about the first period of Euro-Japanese interaction and whose books about Captain William Adams can be found on Amazon?

      On other websites he’s claimed to be married to a Japanese and to be quite well-travelled, having been to Bejaia and Sust and Kabul and so on. Is he the same person who wrote about buying property in the Balkans?

      What is someone of that sort doing contributing to a site of this kind?

      Groucho Marx said that he wouldn’t ever wish to join the sort of club which would have him as a member.

      Enough said about the detestable Bill Corr.

    98. Ralph Musgrave — on 17th July, 2009 at 5:38 pm  

      Why dont those in favour of Africanising Britain go live in Africa? They want an Africanised UK for their great grandchildren, but somehow dont quite fancy it themselves.

      Of course the political left has form in this connection. When Harold Wilson’s Labour government was trying to implement central economic planning a la Eastern Europe, not one in ten thousand Labour voters chose to quit the evil capitalist system and go to enjoy the wonders of central planning in Eastern Europe. The hypocrisy of the political left is always a wonder to behold.

    99. Leon — on 17th July, 2009 at 5:59 pm  

      What the hell does ‘Africanising Britain’ even mean?? Why don’t those who want a racially pure Britain fuck off to the Isle White or something..? :P

    100. Jai — on 17th July, 2009 at 7:34 pm  

      Leon,

      It’s very noticeable that the BNP leadership (and their more vocal supporters) do seem to have a particular — and peculiar — unhealthy obsession with “Africans”.

      It’s all the more strange when you bear in mind the fact that, numerically, Africans aren’t even close to being the largest non-white ethnic group in Britain.

      Maybe it’s because, out of all the various peoples who fall into the category of The Other from their perspective, they regard Africans as being the most extreme ‘Other’ of all in relation to themselves. Another puzzle for the psychoanalysts, perhaps.

      In the meantime, here’s the full text of a brilliant article from The Economist’s spinoff “Intelligent Life” magazine which I recommended to Roger a few weeks ago, titled ‘Exodus/We are all African now’. Do take some time out to read it when you have some spare time, it’s definitely worth it and the article makes some superb, extremely relevant points.

      http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/content/jm-ledgard/exodus

    101. douglas clark — on 17th July, 2009 at 7:42 pm  

      jai, I like your writing, really, I do, but this is contentious at the very least:

      Maybe it’s because, out of all the various peoples who fall into the category of The Other from their perspective, they regard Africans as being the most extreme ‘Other’ of all in relation to themselves. Another puzzle for the psychoanalysts, perhaps.

      Is that how you see me?

    102. Don — on 17th July, 2009 at 7:47 pm  

      Jai,

      Obsession with Africans = insecurity about penis size.

    103. Don — on 17th July, 2009 at 7:49 pm  

      Douglas,

      In Jai’s post ‘they’ refers back to BNP. Not grumpy Scots.

    104. Leon — on 17th July, 2009 at 9:24 pm  

      It’s very noticeable that the BNP leadership (and their more vocal supporters) do seem to have a particular — and peculiar — unhealthy obsession with “Africans”.

      It’s because they’re in denial about our shared ancestry; go back far enough and we’re all African.

    105. douglas clark — on 17th July, 2009 at 9:45 pm  

      Don @ 103,

      heh!

      In Jai’s post ‘they’ refers back to BNP. Not grumpy Scots.

      But I’d like an answer.

      I may indeed be a ‘grumpy Scot’. But that does not define me, anymore that being ‘Don’, who I think is a Geordie, or a Northumbriand or summat, defines you. You have talked free of that background for as long as I’ve known you. And, generally, unless challenged to the contrary, so have I.

    106. douglas clark — on 17th July, 2009 at 9:52 pm  

      It’s what Leon says, run it back far enough, and everyone is an African. why do so many people have a problem with that?

    107. Jai — on 18th July, 2009 at 7:23 pm  

      In Jai’s post ‘they’ refers back to BNP. Not grumpy Scots.

      Correct.

      (Thanks, Don).

    108. Jai — on 18th July, 2009 at 7:30 pm  

      go back far enough and we’re all African.

      That’s pretty much the premise of that article I linked to in #100 (although it talks about a lot of other related and extremely important points too).



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