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    Even the other racists won’t play with them


    by Rumbold on 9th July, 2009 at 9:32 am    

    The BNP have admitted to not having enough allies to form a bloc within the European Parliament. It would take a heart of stone not to laugh:

    “As an “unattached” party outside a European political grouping, the BNP’s two MEPs will lose out on extra funding worth £1 million a year, will not get a party office or administrative staff, and will not possess the right to vote on the parliament’s main committees.

    The parliament’s rules state that at least 25 MEPs from seven different member states are required to form a new bloc.”

    And why were they unable to form this group?

    “Mr Griffin, along with his colleague Andrew Brons, had been in talks with Hungary’s far-right Jobbik party; France’s National Front; Belgium’s Vlaams Belang and Ataka, the nationalist Bulgarian party.

    Their plans to forge links with other parties, such as Italy’s Northern League, failed because other Right-wing groupings feared that the BNP’s controversial reputation would lead to isolation.”

    So even parties that want to sink boatloads of immigrants or contain fascist paramilitaries think the BNP are a bit too racist.



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    1. Leon — on 9th July, 2009 at 9:36 am  

      Speaks volumes really, BNP are the lowest of the low.

    2. Adnan — on 9th July, 2009 at 9:47 am  

      The Euro Far-Right parties think that they are somehow “high-brow” than the BNP. That will make the Right-wing US and UK conservative Brussels Journal / Gates Of Vienna reading, useful idiot admirers happy.

    3. Ravi Naik — on 9th July, 2009 at 9:54 am  

      Wonderful: the foreigners at the EU have given Nick Griffin a taste of social exclusion. :)

      What a slap in the face.

    4. chairwoman — on 9th July, 2009 at 9:59 am  

      “So even parties that want to sink boatloads of immigrants or contain fascist paramilitaries”

      I thought that was the BNP!

    5. Kismet Hardy — on 9th July, 2009 at 10:01 am  

      BNP wanting support from foreigners is a bit like a snake asking a lizard whether it’ll help him catch his frog supper

    6. James Graham — on 9th July, 2009 at 10:39 am  

      On the other hand the post-fascist Northern League have shacked up with UKIP. That the Northern League consider the BNP to be too extremist speaks volumes about Griffin et al, but that UKIP are prepared to work with them speaks an equal amount about Farage et al.

    7. Ravi Naik — on 9th July, 2009 at 10:49 am  

      The Euro Far-Right parties think that they are somehow “high-brow” than the BNP.

      But they are different. Lega Nord - the party that the BNP wanted to associate with - had a female black mayor recently elected in northwest of Milan. Le Pen’s FN has Muslim and Black officials, and has posters with blacks as part of French society. The BNP?

      If the BNP is an embarrassment for Euro Far-Right parties, it should really say something about Britain.

    8. Miriam Binder — on 9th July, 2009 at 10:50 am  

      The volumes it speaks is that we need to be wary of Nationalist politics no matter how these are ‘dressed up’.

      I don’t find it suprising that no one really wants to pally-up with the BNP … they have no clear direction, except for hate driven divisive policies without any clear workable strategy …

    9. Ravi Naik — on 9th July, 2009 at 10:54 am  

      I make a clear distinction between those who are against multiracial societies, and those who are against multicultural societies and favour the melting-pot model.

    10. Carl — on 9th July, 2009 at 11:18 am  

      The BNP can’t get any feet through any fash doors because the Tories are way ahead of them. There’s Dan Hannan attracting ex-Franco supporters in Spain, the new EU grouping consisting of “cranks” (as Ken Clarke called them), and William Hague(!). The only foreigners that are sinking in Europe are the BNP themselves. Here here!

    11. billericaydicky — on 9th July, 2009 at 11:29 am  

      It is early days yet and the scene, especially on the European far right, is constantly changing. What has happened is that the Euro far right needed the 27 Mps and given the choice between the BNP and UKIP have gone for the latter because of the number of MPs not ideology.

      It is no secret that the BNP and UKIP are, and have been for some time, at each others throats. Griffin had hoped to, and even Searchlight had predicted that this was possible, take a sizable chunk of the UKIP vote when it seemded that it was imploding.

      I was wary of that analysis after attending a UKIP AGM as an observer when it was held in Stepney a couple of years ago. When the BNP tried to leaflet the conference the had their leaflets taken away and were told to piss off.

      This wasn’t because of the potential for poaching members but because the membership and Farage in particular are opposed to what the BNP stands for in terms of its history of biological racism.

      A disinction has to be made similar to the one made between the Tories who left the party to join the National Front in the early seventies of the issue of the honouring of the passports of the East African Asians and the open Nazis who controlled the party.

      As soon as Thatcher started to make noises on asylum and immigration they started to drift back and her swamping speach of 1978 was the final nail in the coffin. There was always tension between men and women who had in some case fought against Nazism and people like Tyndall and Webster who idolised Hitler.

      Basically the far right in Europe have far more in common with Griffin and certainly share a common history. Jobbik looks to the pre and wartime Arrow Cross and Vlaams Belang to Leon Degrell’s Rexist movement both of which were openly fascist.

      The new grouping is one which should bring criticism of UKIP for compromising some of their statements on racism in which they have firmly come out against it as well as anti semitism.

      They are now in the camp of open anti semites and people who have launched physical attacks on Roma and other minorities in terms of Jobbik and with VB an organisation that traces its origins to the SS Division Wallonie one of Hitler’s favourites.

      What I understand has happened is that Farage went to the others with his group of MPs and said he would join as long as the BNP were kept out.

      A full breakdown of the far right vote all over Europe can be seen at http://www.searchlightmagazine.com. While you are there have a look at the detailed analysis of the UK situation by Nick Lowles in ” The Way Forward”. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery,if that it the case then Nick and Searchlight should be really flattered as UAF have piched all of their info and posted it up as their own research. Pathetic!

    12. munir — on 9th July, 2009 at 11:58 am  

      billeracky dicky
      “Basically the far right in Europe have far more in common with Griffin and certainly share a common history. Jobbik looks to the pre and wartime Arrow Cross and Vlaams Belang to Leon Degrell’s Rexist movement both of which were openly fascist.

      The new grouping is one which should bring criticism of UKIP for compromising some of their statements on racism in which they have firmly come out against it as well as anti semitism. ”

      The far rights target today isnt Jews but Muslims. Yet you dont demand they come out against prejudice against Muslims ! (perhaps because of your sympathies in these areas) You are basically saying “the far right parties are only bad because in the past they were anti-semitic ; their anti-Muslim hatred now is OK”

    13. billericaydicky — on 9th July, 2009 at 12:46 pm  

      Chavscum,
      I can only assume that you are living up to your name because all of the European far right share distinctly similar characteristics.

      A deep rooted anti semitism.
      A hatred of all forms of left wing ideology because of its internationalism and atheism.
      A sense that Bolshevism was Jewish.
      An affinity with its own racial and or relgious group to the exclusion of others.
      Feelings of persecution at being swamped by alien communities, Jewish/Roma/Slav/Muslim/Sub Saharan African.
      A feeling that these outsiders have been imposed by some power that is conspiring to destroy thier racial oneness be it the EU,a New World Order or the International Jewish Conspiracy.

      The ideology is illogical and complex but would include all or some of the above which woulkd certainly fit them all into the section labelled racist/xenophobic.

      The use of the word fascist is the subject of thousands of books about fifty of which are in my library and still no final definition has been agreed.

      Because of their antecedents and their present attitudes to foreigners, gays, Roma etc I think all of the groups which UKIP is now involved with can safely be described as being on the racial/right with distinct nostalgic longings for a variety of authoritarian regimes and movement that existed in Europe from the end of the 1st WW to the death of Franco in 1975. It is for UKIP to explains these alliances.

      Munir,
      You are so thick you must be a Trotskist. It seems that because I was looking at the history of these groups and didn’t mention Muslims I am Islamophobic and a secret BNP supporter. Or at least that is what you seem to be saying but you speak so much drivel it is difficult to really devine what you mean.

      The Dan Mamman thing is interesting. The source of the story was Giles Tremlett in the Guardian. He was for many years their Madrid correspondent and I recommend his “Ghosts of Spain” for a good analysis of the post Franco era.

      Hamman is quoted as saying when confronted with the links between Alternativa Espanola as saying ” It is not only new information but at odds with what they told me.” If it is true it’s deeply alarming and of course we shouldn’t have anything to do with them”

      Now this is strange as Mamman is supposed to be a fluent Spanish speaker. Now if I speak Spanish and know about AE then he certainly should as well.

    14. Even the other racists won’t play with them | Free Political Forum — on 9th July, 2009 at 1:25 pm  

      [...] Original post by Rumbold [...]

    15. Joe Otten — on 9th July, 2009 at 2:15 pm  

      Bah, what have all those nasty foreign racists got against our racists?

      But I’m a bit confused. Why are there foreign racists at all? Aren’t racists against foreigners?

    16. Vikrant — on 9th July, 2009 at 4:33 pm  

      Now this is strange as Mamman is supposed to be a fluent Spanish speaker. Now if I speak Spanish and know about AE then he certainly should as well.

      Hannan was born in Peru!

    17. Carl — on 9th July, 2009 at 9:13 pm  

      All the information on Dan Hannan and the Spanish fash is here

    18. billericaydicky — on 10th July, 2009 at 7:40 am  

      The Jury is still out on this one as to what Hannan thought he was doing when he endorsed AE. He should have been aware of the record of Blas Pinar as an old Francoist and a prominent one at that.

      Perhaps he was hoping that it would all be restricted to Spain and not get any further publicity given the general lack of interest in Spanish politics. Whatever it seems to have backfired and he and the party are now backtracking.

    19. hantsboy — on 10th July, 2009 at 10:40 am  

      But I’m a bit confused. Why are there foreign racists at all? Aren’t racists against foreigners?

      Joe 15

      Foreigners can’t be racist.

      Only squeakly pure English can be that.

      Don’t they teach anything in schools these days ?

    20. Rob — on 11th July, 2009 at 4:22 pm  

      Not good for the BNP to be totally fair. Joining up with other parties seemed to be what he was aiming for. Was UKIP joining the group that stopped the BNP. Or were they told to sod off before hand?

      Probably worse for UKIP though, who have tried so hard to distance themselves from the BNP.

      Maybe the FN etc. are trying to reposition themselves and the BNP does not fit. Christ knows into what though, as the BNP are pretty mainstream mostly.

    21. Scots Tiger — on 11th July, 2009 at 4:54 pm  

      Wait and see what happens; it’s far too early to say that nationalist parties in the European Parliament are likely to win any real victory but at present they are gaining in strength and confidence, buoyed by popular support at home.

      Simply by existing, they have altered the debate.

      Jobbik is primarily anti-Roma, hence the militia keeping a sharp eye on Roma crime; the linked issues of Islam and Islamophobia are of zero importance in Hungary. Need one mention that Hungary has few Jews these days, for obvious historical reasons?

      Slavophobia is not really so much of anyone’s issue. It is beyond dispute that a massive influx of Poles in Britain, and - to some extent - France, has depressed wages (or ’stopped wage inflation,’ as one Employers’ Federation spokesman in Portsmouth said on local radio) but nobody genuinely hates the Poles or any other Slavs.

      The Bulgarian nationalist party, ATAKA (which, incidentally, has an English-language website) has an especial hatred of the Ankara-subsidised Movement for Rights and Freedoms, the party which represents the interests of the Turkish minority. Predictably, it loathes the Roma, reflecting the unvarnished opinions of most ordinary people in the Balkans.



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