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    BNP activists are the new whiners and scroungers


    by Sunny on 8th July, 2009 at 3:14 pm    

    Is it just me or are all the people sympathetic to the BNP’s claims (that have descended on to this blog over the last few weeks) a bunch of whiners and scroungers? Honestly, I’ve never read a bunch of people who whine and moan so much. Whine whine whine!

    What happened to your pride and backbone? Oh yeah, you don’t have any, you bunch of nazis. And why are so many of you scroungers looking for government social housing? Buy your own flat. Get a job. Stop blaming the Polish you lazy fucks. Get an education. Stop blaming brown people for the fact that everyone else finds you to be noxious, racist no-hopers.

    You know, just saying. All this whining is getting on my nerves.



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    1. Fitzroy — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:44 pm  

      Hear! Hear!

    2. Fitzroy — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:45 pm  

      That was to Sunny’s original post - should there be any doubt.

    3. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:52 pm  

      Well I posted the Stats on who’s working and who isn’t earlier today, here they are again if you missed them-

      http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=462&Pos=7&ColRank=2&Rank=144

      As for Public Housing no one minds it going to the needy but we’re peed off when it all goes to the Greedy-

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1076180/Inquiry-ordered-Afghan-family-living-1-2-million-council-house.html

      (As a Private House this one no doubt doesn’t figure in the EHCRs liefest posted earlier).

    4. Jennifer Smith — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:12 pm  

      And that’s working well for you too, “Fear and loathing at equality central”, bunch of hypocritical tossers

    5. Carmenego — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:15 pm  

      @1mongrel

      Isn’t that irrefutable proof that immigrants aren’t taking your jobs?

      Also, if memory serves me correctly, that million pound council house thing was due to a clerical error. The family in question didn’t request that property, it was allocated to them.

      If you work really hard, maybe you could buy your own place like that?

    6. david brough — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:17 pm  

      Look at the link from that fucking scum Old Holborn. The libertarian trolls who always talk about the BNP being left-wing, how do they explain one of their own kind promoting the scab BNP?

      We on the left have nothing to do with scab cunts who hate the working class.

    7. Bill Corr — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:22 pm  

      Once upon a time a distressed 3rd worlder from Uttar Pradesh, exasperated with living in a mud hut and having to excrete beside the railway line, managed to get a student scholarship to a civilised country …

      “Me refugee … ” he said at the Port of Entry.

      The rest is, as they say, history.

      Keith Vaz [born in Aden] could finish this touching story.

      Or Charlie Bigears’ chum, the property developer known as Sooty to all his friends.

      But NONE of them helped a Somali into a council flat!

    8. halima — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:23 pm  

      Go Sunny.

      Really enjoyed reading this piece.

    9. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:28 pm  

      Carmenego (7).
      “Isn’t that irrefutable proof that immigrants aren’t taking your jobs?”

      Well you’ve certainly demonstrated that logic isn’t your strong point today, I never said they were, so keep the Straw Man for your own nefarious purposes. As for the clerical error, funding a single 1 million pound council house could be an error, several makes it a plan. Your attempt at an ad hominem would be more entertaining were it not based on a jaded multikulti stereotype coupled to a lack of imagination.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3884766/Council-tenants-living-in-2m-townhouse-funded-by-taxpayer.html

    10. Sunny — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:29 pm  

      Where’s the page that helps whites being discriminated again? Oh, there isn’t one… fucktard!

      Yeah yeah, white people in the UK really are being shitted on.

      You BNP people are the biggest whingers and scroungers around. GET A JOB LOSER.

    11. Sunny — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:31 pm  

      Well you’ve certainly demonstrated that logic isn’t your strong point today,

      And you’ve certainly demonstrated that by linking to the odd anecdotal evidence to support your position it just shows there’s a worldwide conspiracy against white people perpetrated by Somalis!

    12. Mr. Feathers — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:32 pm  

      http://tinyurl.com/n3at7p

      “also hinted she was losing out to immigrants”

      And she insisted it was her “duty” to have child No 9.

      She said: “I love giving birth - it’s always so quick for me.

      “People say I should stop breeding but it’s not their business.

      This is the fucking master race that the BNP want to give my taxes to?

    13. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:35 pm  

      Sunny (12).

      Blimey, enough Straw Men on here to provide scarecrows for the whole country.

    14. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:42 pm  

      Mr Feathers (13).

      Need versus Greed, know which I prefer.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1492355/Governor-claimed-244-weekly-housing-benefit-to-live-in-home-secretly-owned-by-his-brother.html

    15. Mr. Feathers — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:52 pm  

      Fuck that. He was overpaid thanks to a fuckup by the state (I know of many, many such cases due to the government’s incompetence and insistence on getting as many people as poossible onto its payroll) and repayed the money.

      This fucker, that I referenced, made a fucking LIFESTYLE CHOICE to have 8 kids. What’s wrong with using a condom? My wife is on the pill, we can therefore have sex without worrying about pregnancy.

      Now, people in the third world have got some vague excuse for not using birth control because they don’t know about it and there are powerful forces trying to make sure they never find out. But for the underclass, of what any race, there is simply no reason to have children they can’t support.

      Get this. You’re trying to suggest that I favour Asians over whites, which I don’t, firstly because I am white and secondly because I don’t support the state dishing out favours to anyone. The reason is that it fosters an entitlist mentality which is fed upon by the likes of the BNP, who think scroungers are acceptable if they’re white.

      You only think I prefer one ethnic group over another because you’re a racist who can’t understand my individualism and libertarianism because it’s alien to your welfare-loving mind.

    16. Boyo — on 8th July, 2009 at 5:13 pm  

      A short while ago, Sunny, you mentioned to me one of the reasons the left had tended to treat minorities more favourably than others was to reduce inequality, which is no doubt correct.

      However, as we discussed, a possibly inadvertent danger of this is bringing culture (and race) to the fore, from which the BNP are increasingly benefiting - the blowback from multi-culturalism is that a party that was largely delegitimised for its emphasis on race, has been increasingly legitimised by a system that emphasises race (or culture).

      The whining is no doubt also symptomatic of this.

      In a way, your own blog is a case in point - established in the spirit of British Asian dialogue, it is becoming a forum for those with extremist views. Of course there are the usual idiots, not unlike the Asian anti-semites who comment, but there are is also a more sophisticated engagement illustrated by the BNP’s reponse to your (89?) questions… they are learning, quickly.

      Support for the BNP is a monster that the left partially created, by aligning economics and immigration, and legitimised, not least through the electoral process. Saying it was all born of the 1980s is not really enough, and I’m afraid it’s not going to go away any time soon.

    17. Amrit — on 8th July, 2009 at 5:41 pm  

      Where’s the page that helps whites being discriminated again? Oh, there isn’t one… fucktard!

      Well, why don’t YOU make it then, you eejat? Oh wait, you’re too busy proving Sunny right… by whinging.

      Oh yeah, and 1mongrel, you’ll have to do better than posting links from the Mail and the Maily Telegraph if you want to convince people that your stats aren’t a ‘liefest.’

      Carmenego, I salute your continual affability. Dunno how you do it.

      I don’t always agree with you, Sunny, but this was undoubtedly timely!

    18. JuliaM — on 8th July, 2009 at 5:46 pm  

      “Support for the BNP is a monster that the left partially created…”

      Hence Sunny’s hysterical whataboutery in his post…

    19. Rob — on 8th July, 2009 at 5:46 pm  

      Sunny,

      If this is what passes for political commentary on this site, you better hope that my Dog does not learn to type.

    20. JuliaM — on 8th July, 2009 at 5:49 pm  

      “Yeah yeah, white people in the UK really are being shitted on.”

      Or, as we say in England, ’shat on’…

      What was Tony’s mantra again? ‘Education, education…umm, I’ve forgotten the rest.

    21. Rob — on 8th July, 2009 at 5:50 pm  

      I say let Octomum become Nonamum!

      If the Muslims can breed like Rabbits on Viagra, and filch the state sideways, she should be able to do so as well.

    22. Mr. Feathers — on 8th July, 2009 at 5:51 pm  

      JuliaM, do you ever write a comment that isn’t totally worthless?

      Even the BNP trolls actually say something, wrongheaded though it is, whereas you leave me wondering what the fucking point of you is.

    23. Mantis — on 8th July, 2009 at 5:53 pm  

      The country needs immigrants to pay the taxes that help finance the benefits that are given to the scrounging BNP supporters!

      Unemployable losers!

    24. Bill Corr — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:01 pm  

      Mantis is kidding - these 3rd-World scummies rake in more than they contribute - send them all to Waziristan!

    25. Sunny — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:05 pm  

      Rob - if your dog learned to type he’d tell you to stop whinging and spreading conspiracy thories about Muslims and get a life. This is my blog I can write what I like. You’re welcome to fuck off.

      Oh and take JuliaM with you. She’s even more sanctimonious and braindead.

    26. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:08 pm  

      Amrit (18).

      “Oh yeah, and 1mongrel, you’ll have to do better than posting links from the Mail and the Maily Telegraph if you want to convince people that your stats aren’t a ‘liefest.’”

      The relevant ones are from ONS, d’you dispute them? Asking for “ethically sound” links is also a bit passe thesedays. These articles are available from The Times, BBC or The Guardian. Decrying the source is a bit like stuffing your fingers in your ears and shouthing La, La, La. There’s no Izvestia or Pravda anymore.

    27. Sunny — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:08 pm  

      Sometimes it’s great to have a post where I can just cuss people.

    28. Sunny — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:13 pm  

      1momhrel I see you completely ignored mr feathers at #16. Why is that? Could it be because you actually have nothing to say other than post links to the Daily Heil to support your anecdotal evidence, and then throw around words like Pravda to pretend you’re some oppressed minority.

    29. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:15 pm  

      Mr Feathers (16).

      Moi, a racist? Tell you what, you’d be more welcome in The BNP than me. I’m more Desi than most of the posters here. It’s just that coming from almost The Last of The Mohicans myself and with first hand experience of muslim racism, I don’t want the same fate to befall The British, surely the most noble and tolerant breed that ever walked. You could call me a bit of an Empire Loyalist though.

    30. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:20 pm  

      Sunny (29).

      Hang on, even I have to stop for tea sometimes. Anyway I’ve answered his stream of class hatred now.

    31. Mr. Feathers — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:30 pm  

      How the fuck would I be welcome in the BNP when I’m married to a black immigrant and think their supporters shouldn’t get housed by the state and paid to have children?

      Jill, no immigrant has ever taken my job and no immigrant ever will, because I’m good at it and do useful things that businessmen want to pay me for. Perhaps you should fuck off and do likewise.

    32. marvin — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:33 pm  

      … This thread is hilarious…

      1mongerel can I get this straight, with regards to your comments about being ‘more desi’ than most, you’re ethnically what, exactly… Indian??! Yet you’ve come on a thread whereby it seems you’re taking the side of the BNP?!

      Interesting stats on the first link.

      Humongous mistake linking to Daily Mail for an individual case of welfare handout insanity. Red. Flag. Bull.

    33. JuliaM — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:34 pm  

      “..whereas you leave me wondering what the fucking point of you is.”

      Why, to point out the emptiness of the left’s ‘ideas’, of course. And the way they mindlessly rally to the flag, no matter how tattered and drooping..

      “Oh and take JuliaM with you. She’s even more sanctimonious and braindead.”

      Oh, by the way, Sunny, are you ever coming back to that thread at Laban’s? The one where you got spanked so hard?

      No?

      Don’t really blame you, to be honest.

    34. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:37 pm  

      Mr Feathers (33).

      Don’t worry, it’s a big world and there’s someone out there that can do your job even better and even cheaper than you. Perhaps in Brazil or Vietnam. We just haven’t got round to inviting them yet.

    35. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:40 pm  

      Marvin (34).

      Could have linked to The Beeb or The Grauniad instead. I like the effect The Mail has on them. They always shoot themselves in the foot.

    36. Mr. Feathers — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:46 pm  

      I’d go to where the jobs were if need be.

      If all else really did fail I would claim JSA. I don’t think it’s a bad thing. The really bad thing is not to be temporarily supported whilst looking for a job, it’s to make a lifestyle out of raising kids on benefits and being housed and having your arse wiped by the state.

      And I think BNP voters are in that state because of the “culture” that exists amongst the underclass of not making any form of effort to better their own lot.

      They slag off immigrants and teachers for their children’s failure at school without considering that Indians, Jews, asylum seekers, the white middle class and many poor Muslim kids do well because their parents encourage them, read to them, talk to them beyond screaming abuse at them and generally care about their well-being.

    37. marvin — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:47 pm  

      Okaaay… but …1mongrel do you support the BNP, or are you on a wind up?

    38. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:50 pm  

      Mr Feathers (38).

      The inevitable consequence of Globalism is a dollar a day and a tin roof, all you need to do is extrapolate.

    39. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:51 pm  

      Marvin (39) I see nothing wrong in The British having a political party that puts their interests first.

    40. Mantis — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:52 pm  

      There’s a lot of hot lookin’ immigrant women where I live. I would not be a happy man if the BNP supporters chased them out and left us with the rough-lookin’ local ladettes! Grrrrrrr!

    41. Mr. Feathers — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:57 pm  

      Quite right, Mantis.

      Although I am a libertarian, and thus disagree with Obama’s policies, I can’t help thinking that the personal slagging off of him and Michelle by the likes of Rush Limbaugh was due to their natural grace and dignity, which they don’t posess and never will. (Nor do I, for that matter, but I admire it where I find it, such as in my better half!)

      Resentment is a pile of shite, isn’t it? But I know I won’t ever win the Nobel Prize or be the world’s fastest cyclist, so I just focus on living my own life and making it as good as possible.

    42. marvin — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:57 pm  

      Hahaha Mantis.

      I think it’s time to link to http://www.viceland.com/wp/2009/07/babes-of-the-bnp/ replete with interviews for each and comments enabled!! Bizarre. A must see.

    43. Mr. Feathers — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:58 pm  

      40, let’s hear your well thought out and perfectly workable alternative to “globalism”, then.

      Tick, tock.

    44. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:01 pm  

      Mantis (42)

      Perhaps they’ll just get rid of the men and leave the field open to you. Certainly the men seem more likely to flee than the women, taking Calais as an example.

    45. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:04 pm  

      Mr Feathers (45).

      National Self Interest.

    46. D-Notice — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:16 pm  

      Yeah yeah, white people in the UK really are being shitted on.

      As Ben Folds once said “Y’all don’t know what it’s like, being male, middle-class and white!”

      Shorter BNP: “In the UK a white man just can’t get a break.”

      Those poor oppressed honkeys…

    47. Boyo — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:26 pm  

      i thought juliaM had only turned up to drive more traffic to her blog?

    48. Jill — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:32 pm  

      Well well Mr Feathers,not a nice way to speak to someone.Maybe where you live youre one of the lucky ones.Where i am it is the case like it or not.I have nothing against black yellow or brown people i am not a racist.What i am against is all the immigrants being allowed in by the government.If you cant see that then maybe you should f*** Off.GOT IT

    49. Jill — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:34 pm  

      Looks like our Mr Feathers likes to hear his own voice too. Rabbit rabbit rabbit

    50. asquith — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:35 pm  

      46,

      http://www.slate.com/id/2221479/

    51. Jill — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:36 pm  

      asquith YUK !!!!!

    52. Mr. Feathers — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:40 pm  

      I live near a council estate inhabited solely by white no-hopers. My wife (who is black, and an immigrant, and also a higher rate taxpayer) has been racially abused by them, and furthermore it is in a BNP ward, hence my being pissed off.

      Perhaps you can explain how I’m “lucky” to be in this situation and how, if I lived amongst these people, all of whom are white Britons, I’d have an easier time of things given that if they had their way my marriage wouldn’t have been allowed.

    53. MaidMarian — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:52 pm  

      Mr Feathers (38) - A beacon of good sense. This is about the underclass almost 100%. That, of course, is not to say that immigrants can’t be card-carrying underclass, but your point is well made.

      Jill (51) - OK, go and sober up, then have a little think. You may well not be racist, that you are so defensive indeed suggest that you rather have your underwear in a knot. Untangle it and think it through.

      Like it or not a great many people have seen the benefit of immigration - wage deflation in low-end services that has held down prices, cheap labour in certain industries (such as caring) to hold down prices, a willing rentier class for buy-to-let empires, trained labour at knock-down prices.

      This is not to mention that immigrants tend to be outside of trade unions, diminishing the power of organised labour.

      You yourself may well have benefited from some of all this, regardless of whether that makes you feel guilty.

      Now what has tended to happen is that the worst hit by the immigrants who have bought these benefits have been the lower paid. I avoid the term working class because such a thing barely exists in any real sense of the word.

      We want lower prices and a market structure that delivers that. If you don’t like it, go and take it up with the voters who have bought into that logic for the past 35 years.

      By all means, talk about how the demands of capital are at the root cause of this and how immigration is very much capital red in tooth and claw.

      But don’t bring me a foul mouthed lecture about how immigration is all take and no give because you come over as a bit of an idiot.

    54. Mr. Feathers — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:58 pm  

      Yes, MaidMarian. There are exemplary blacks and lowlife blacks. There are exemplary Asians and lowlife Asians. There are exemplary whites and lowlife whites.

      Why not, then, treat people as individuals? And once again, if the state wasn’t dishing out resources which come from my taxes then warring groups wouldn’t be fighting over who gets what.

    55. Don — on 8th July, 2009 at 8:02 pm  

      Asquith,

      Good article. Johann does acid so well.

    56. MaidMarian — on 8th July, 2009 at 8:27 pm  

      Mr Feathers (57) - ‘And once again, if the state wasn’t dishing out resources which come from my taxes then warring groups wouldn’t be fighting over who gets what.’

      There’s certainly truth there, no doubt - one way to reduce identity politics would be to stop feeding it.

      One can not, of course, just wish away identity visions but we don’t have to pander to them. Whatever happened to good old-fashioned class war?

    57. Sunny — on 8th July, 2009 at 8:51 pm  

      Lol ! 1mongrel is the funniest windup there is.

      I’m more Desi than most of the posters here. It’s just that coming from almost The Last of The Mohicans myself and with first hand experience of muslim racism, I don’t want the same fate to befall The British, surely the most noble and tolerant breed that ever walked.

      You will save the British race! Brilliant! And that too by bigging up the BNP. Sweet.

    58. Billy — on 8th July, 2009 at 9:13 pm  

      I’m white, but I’ve never been oppressed in my life. Where do I go to get some of this alleged oppression?

    59. JuliaM — on 8th July, 2009 at 9:29 pm  

      “i thought juliaM had only turned up to drive more traffic to her blog?”

      Hardly!

      It’s about quality, darling. Not quantity.

    60. Leon — on 8th July, 2009 at 9:39 pm  

      Woops! Accidentaly deleted the first post by that idiot. Ah well…no harm no foul.

    61. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 9:41 pm  

      Sonny (58)

      Don’t blame The British for what your parents did to you. The British will save themselves once they get a bit of self confidence back. they’ve been in worse situations and pulled through. Again the Straw Man, making extravagant claims on my behalf and then mocking them. Is that what passes for debate here or is it an ESOL issue? Wouldn’t do at Oxford.

    62. davebones — on 8th July, 2009 at 10:41 pm  

      ha ha ha ha ha very good Sunny. Much better than all this bloody complicated questioning blah blah rubbish

      ha ha ha ha

      come to arr country

      steel arrr wimin

      ha ha

    63. Amrit — on 8th July, 2009 at 11:09 pm  

      Marvin, you paranoid android, you stole ma damn link1 I emailed it to Sunny, hoping he might post it here for a laugh.

      Just LOVE these BNP losers, whose lives are apparently SO BLIGHTED by REVERSE RACISM and ANTI-WHITE DISCRIMINATION (shurely: disk-rim-in-nay-shun?) that they have loads of free time to post on blogs which are not, and never will be, about them.

      Love Steve’s rant. Sure, we ‘need’ you more than you need us! Yeahhh, ’cause all those highly-qualified Asian doctors (to recap on Jai here: 58% of NHS doctors) are gonna be coming to the likes of YOU when they’re unwell!

      our hospitables are not functioning as they should

      I’m sorry… HAHAHAHA. Brilliant Freudian slip. How ironic, a racist talking about being hospitable…

      Bunkers, muddafuckas, bunkers. That’s where it should be at for professional delusionals/self-pitiers like yourself. I’m afraid the nineteenth century ain’t making a comeback anytime soon.

    64. Amrit — on 8th July, 2009 at 11:16 pm  

      Bloody tag!

      Sunny, WHEN will you bring back the comment edit facility?!!

    65. Richard — on 8th July, 2009 at 11:19 pm  

      Guys,

      you have a lot to be worried about. The BNP are the shit before the storm.

    66. Carmenego — on 9th July, 2009 at 8:20 am  

      #65 Richard

      I’m not sure that’s true… every single time a BNP member is allowed into the public sphere they manage to make an almost complete arse of themselves. I say we should put them on Newsnight every night. Engage with them wholeheartedly.

      The great thing about free speech is that it allows those with marginalised and controversial opinions to have a voice, which can be scrutinised and picked apart. If it is shown to be lacking in credibility (as a few of these “realists” [read:racist] posters imply) then it can be brought crumbling down by common sense.

      #17 Amrit
      I stay affable because BNP supporters need to be challenged without being talked down to. Once they are engaged in an argument with an adult who has life experience and an awareness of the difference between knowledge/evidence, educated opinion, and uneducated opinion their little rants inevitably just make us pity them.

      I also take some small pleasure in winning petty arguments, because if it turns out that all their fears are correct, they’re losing a battle that we’re not even trying to win :-)

    67. Kismet Hardy — on 9th July, 2009 at 9:07 am  

      BNP LEAFLETER: These immigrants come over ‘ere, take our jobs.
      VOICE OF SANITY: I think your job’s safe, mate.

    68. Amrit — on 9th July, 2009 at 10:23 am  

      Carmenego:

      I also take some small pleasure in winning petty arguments, because if it turns out that all their fears are correct, they’re losing a battle that we’re not even trying to win

      Classy.

    69. 1mongrel — on 9th July, 2009 at 11:06 am  

      Carmenego (66)

      I also take some small pleasure in winning petty arguments, because if it turns out that all their fears are correct, they’re losing a battle that we’re not even trying to win :-)

      Great, when can we expect to see you win any?

    70. tomoe yamanaka — on 9th July, 2009 at 3:41 pm  

      not half as annoying as enthnics are, maybe we should of joined Hitler that swastika was pretty

    71. Nina37 — on 10th July, 2009 at 5:53 pm  

      @1mongrel

      Interesting figures re groups not working. Highlights a major percentage who aren’t working because they’re paying British universities huge amounts of money to study here…sterling example of the valuable different nationalities and ethnic groups make to the UK.

    72. Nina37 — on 10th July, 2009 at 5:54 pm  

      sorry - valuable contribution :)

    73. 1mongrel — on 10th July, 2009 at 6:02 pm  

      Nina (71).

      Try again, stats refer to British residents only. (If you want to see how many gain higer educational qualifications then I’ve helpfully posted the link for this below, same sad story).

      http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=461

    74. Don — on 10th July, 2009 at 6:13 pm  

      1mongrel

      What do those figures signify to you? We are all familiar with them, but different people find different significance in them.

    75. Nina37 — on 10th July, 2009 at 6:18 pm  

      @1mongrel - yes hun, British residents from different ethnic backgrounds who go to British universities pay huge amounts of money to study here. Was that wrong?

      Added to that, isn’t it worth considering the incredible contribution immigrant labour force makes to the NHS and public services? Very proud to be British, in a country that provides work and opportunities for those who need it and want to take advantage of it.

      We’re part of a world-wide community - if England was just one little standalone island it would be backwards, insular and dysfunctional. Luckily it’s not.

    76. 1mongrel — on 10th July, 2009 at 6:21 pm  

      Don (74).

      They prove that the “We need more immigrants to do the jobs the Britsh will not do”. rhetoric is sadly mistaken. Even if “Racism” is the reason for their indolence we certanly cannot afford any more.(Though some more hard working whites could help the economy)

      I also think that they signify that selecting a partner based on a strong belief in an invisible friend coupled with 1400 years of consangineous marriage is poor genetics.

    77. 1mongrel — on 10th July, 2009 at 6:24 pm  

      Nina (75).

      What was wrong was that the further link I provided proved they were not at University. Now stop being so silly and save your multikulti mendacity for a less discerning audience.

    78. Nina37 — on 10th July, 2009 at 6:30 pm  

      @1mongrel

      Spoken like a true BNP politician :) (I’ll argue rationally until you try to reason with me, then I’ll just tell you to you’re an idiot and to f*** off)

      Hence no-one taking them seriously: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/bnp-struggling-to-make-friends-in-brussels-1739607.html

      I’d engage further but I think you might be a very angry person spending too much time on the internet shouting at people rather than discussing ideas, so I’ll let you get on with it. Best of British luck to you ;)

    79. Bill Corr — on 10th July, 2009 at 6:31 pm  

      Mr Feathers has raised an issue which has puzzled me for some years, mainly because I haven’t actually lived in the U.K. for some while …

      Is there really a work-shy white underclass in the U.K. these days? Is Vicky Pollard drawn from life?

      Someone lent me a slender volume called ‘Crap Towns’ and I was pleased to see Barrow-in-Furness and Lancaster both listed.

      My job is tiring and sometimes very unenjoyable; settling in the U.K. and joining the white underclass would be a great improvement.

      How and where should I go about this? Would feigning an attack of insanity at Heathrow be a good ploy?

      Suggestions would be very welcome.

    80. 1mongrel — on 10th July, 2009 at 6:36 pm  

      Nina (78).

      Anticipating your next myth I even gave you the link but you just couldn’t help yourself, you just carried on spouting meaningless multikulti drivel. Now you want to change the subject. Sunny has already posted this topic, add your comments to the relevant thread if you’ve anything to say. Can you find it yourself or shall I give you the link?

    81. Don — on 10th July, 2009 at 6:45 pm  

      1mongrel,

      Are we talking about the same stats? The ones that show Chinese and Indian students out-performing white students? That show Black African, Bangladeshi, etc girls out-performing White males?

      I actually agree with your last sentence, but feel I should point out that the degree of consanguinuity you refer to is well within CofE guidelines and was until relatively recently very common. Still is with the royals.

    82. Don — on 10th July, 2009 at 6:55 pm  

      Bill,

      You work in KSA? Nobody ever said that would be fun, it’s about the money. If you are qualified there are other places to work. They may not pay as well, but they can be seriously enjoyable. You made your choice, why moan to us about it?

      I’ve done that job, had a hell of a good time, made a lot of friends. Never fancied ‘The Sandpit’ myself but if that is what you chose, take the money and suck it up.

    83. 1mongrel — on 10th July, 2009 at 6:59 pm  

      I’ve no problem with anyone outperforming whites as long as its not done by preferential treatment or dumbing down education to make black boys feel less insecure. White intelligence is far more variable at both ends of the scale, their average is achieved by totting up the very stupid along with some real genii, Asians tend to cluster firmly around their average.

      Consangineous marriage (Outside Royalty) within Europe is a very extremely rare, the cumulative effects of doing it over millenia wreak havoc on the intellect as well as producing an excess of birth defects.

    84. Adnan` — on 10th July, 2009 at 7:11 pm  

      “I’ve no problem with anyone outperforming whites as long as its not done by preferential treatment or dumbing down education to make black boys feel less insecure.”

      Please explain why you think this is being done ?

      “White intelligence is far more variable at both ends of the scale, their average is achieved by totting up the very stupid along with some real genii” - I’ve heard this often said about boys when talk of girls outperforming boys in school.

    85. Bill Corr — on 10th July, 2009 at 7:15 pm  

      Every so often the issue of cross-cousin marriage crops up, usually accompanied with a worried frown.

      The Amish - or certain communities of Amish - used to be studied by people interested in that sort of thing.
      Surely all the much-derided poor whites of the Apallachians and Ozarks ought to have nine fingers and eleven toes by now. How many generations does it take for the results to make themselves visible?

      The ‘New Scientist’ of 26 February 2005 features Moien Kanaan, a Palestian molecular geneticist, saying:

      “In Palestine we have large numbers of families who suffer genetic hearing loss. There is a high rate of inbreeding; 40% to 50% of all marriages are arranged within the extended family or between first cousins. This leads to certain recessive disorders, including hearing loss and blood disorders such as thalassaemia.”

      Cross-cousin patrilineal marriage is the norm in Arabia; I once taught a young fellow from close to the border with Yemen with a startlingly un-Arab name: Filimban. He said his mother and aunts had reckoned that there were 22 girls he could marry, but he’d have to wait for the youngest among them to reach the approved marriageable age [which is fifteen or sixteen these days among educated and respectable people, NOT earlier.]

    86. Don — on 10th July, 2009 at 7:47 pm  

      I’ve no problem with anyone outperforming whites as long as its not done by preferential treatment or dumbing down education to make black boys feel less insecure.</i.

      Good.

      White intelligence is far more variable at both ends of the scale, their average is achieved by totting up the very stupid along with some real genii, Asians tend to cluster firmly around their average.

      Really? You need to provide reputable references for that. It’s a local custom.

      Consangineous marriage (Outside Royalty) within Europe is a very extremely rare, the cumulative effects of doing it over millenia wreak havoc on the intellect as well as producing an excess of birth defects.

      It has recently become rare, but other than that quibble I agree. How would I not? PP has covered this more than once and in detail.

      But that was a debate, not a drive-by slur. You want to talk about cousin-marriage? Fine. We’ve done that and I’m sure we’ll do it again. We argued and got pissed off at one another and had agendas and in some cases got very personal. Do you really have a strong view on cousin-marriage that you wish to present, or was that comment just a stock response from the playbook?

      Do you want to troll or do you want to discuss? If you want to discuss then drop the flame-bait, but feel free to cut loose on anyone who flame-baits you. And be a lot more rigorous about sources. If you want to troll, then fuck off.

      (I have no authority here, so that’s just a suggestion.)

    87. 1mongrel — on 10th July, 2009 at 9:18 pm  

      Don (86)

      Drive by slur? You asked for my opinion on why certain groups underperformed in employment/academia and I gave it, nothing more. Why so sensitive? Main point is that none of the groups you or Bill offer as justifications have done this CONSISTENTLY for millenia.

      “Reputable” references on IQ present a problem, the simian chorus of Peer Review ensures that no one sticks their head above the wall(No more Watsons, Cricks or Galileos), fraid you’ll have to look at the available evidence and make your own mind up, just like me. You might get some ideas from here (You wont like it)-

      http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/index.html

    88. Don — on 10th July, 2009 at 9:50 pm  

      Which groups are under-performing?

      Not sensitive, just puzzled why you should highlight the fact that white males show up so badly in the stats you cited.

      You think that is significant?

    89. Vikrant — on 10th July, 2009 at 9:54 pm  

      Billy mate,

      This might be a big surprise for you. Perhaps Google hasn’t told you this yet. Vast majority of Asians esp. the non-Muslim ones can’t marry their own cousins. It cos of Indian gotra customs.

    90. Don — on 10th July, 2009 at 10:03 pm  

      the simian chorus of Peer Review

    91. 1mongrel — on 10th July, 2009 at 10:13 pm  

      Vikrant (89) Yep, they’re the ones that don’t underperform in employment/academia(Indians to ONS).

      Don(88) Not really, they have the Potential IQ to achieve, in their case the system really is letting them down, its not genetic.

      Don (90).

      Great eh? You can use it if you like, I don’t mind.

    92. Bill Corr — on 11th July, 2009 at 2:57 am  

      Surely the Easter Islanders and the Andaman Islanders ought to be up at the top of the tree for inbreeding.

      As a practice it has its own penalties. Theodore Dalrymple has written about this at length.

      Again, let me suggest a dedicated thread for personal abuse and nothing else.



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