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  • BNP response to part 2


    by Rumbold
    6th July, 2009 at 4:39 pm    

    Recently eGov sent the BNP a list of the ‘85 Questions’. We have now received an answer to the next set of questions. The response was written by Lee John Barnes, a member of the BNP’s legal affairs’ team and a well-known blogger. Below his unedited response, a number of us have printed our collective reaction to his answers:

    Social and legal impact of a BNP government

    Q. Exactly how much of Britain’s current GDP, in terms of gross, net, and overall percentage figures, is a result of the non-white British population?

    A - Who knows. Anyone who believes any of the bullshit pumped out by the present Labour government concerning any statistics related to immigration or immigration linked issues is an idiot. Neither the government nor the politically compromised public institutions who generate such statistics related to the effects of immigration on our economy can be trusted. Those that accept any such figures as either correct or partially correct from the government or the various QUANGO’s and civil service institutions it has politicised are the sort of people who respond to e mails from the ‘relatives’ of deposed ex-African presidents who have ten million dollars in the bank and they will send it you if you merely provide them with a ten thousand pound bridging loan.

    Q. What would be the estimated financial loss to Britain’s GDP upon the withdrawal of all domestic assets by non-white British citizens submitting to “voluntary repatriation” or involved in pre-emptive emigration upon the election of a BNP government?

    A - How can anyone assess the impact of such an issue when the government itself acknowledges that it does not have a clue how many immigrants, illegal immigrants, illegal entrants, asylum seekers or bogus asylum seekers are in the country. One of the first jobs of the BNP upon entering government will be to undertake an immediate National Population Audit. As part of this process once we have ascertained the actual figures of the above mentioned groups within our country then we will develop a programme to resolve such issues. Note that the BNP policy on voluntary repatriation, contrary to the facile and erroneous propaganda pumped out by the ignorant, the uninformed and the media, applies to everyone in the country regardless of race, religion, colour, creed or nationality. Everyone from Australians to those from Zaire will be given the opportunity to utilise the Voluntary Repatriation policy, the same way it is being used right now by the Labour government and as it was formerly used by previous Conservative governments.

    Q. Exactly what kind of organised nationwide “re-education programme” would a BNP government initiate in order to bring the views of the British civilian population into line with the BNP’s policies and ideology?

    A - The British people have been subjected to continuous political brainwashing by the Labour government as regards Multi-Culturalism, immigration and political correctness from the moment it came to power. At the same time the various anti-free speech laws that have been enacted by previous governments have created a climate of fear in our society as regards any debate on immigration and issues related to immigration. The BNP want to create a democratic society based on the principles of an Open Society, whereby people can speak freely and openly without fear about issues that concern them. The BNP seek to re-educate people about their basic British Constitutional rights and to create a society where free debate is no longer criminalised and our basic democratic rights usurped by the Marxist-Leninist ’Terrorism of the Word’ whereby anyone that dares say anything a Liberal Fascist disagrees with is, is no longer instantly called ’racist’.

    Q. What will be the standard BNP procedure in order to deal with non-white British citizens who refuse voluntary repatriation and do not submit to compulsory repatriation?

    A - As stated above the BNP policy on Voluntary Repatriation does not apply to just Non-Whites, it applies to all Naturalised British Citizens of all colours and races who have a Right Of Return ( leges sanguinis ) to their home nations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return

    Those Naturalised British Citizens that do not wish to take up the offer of Voluntary Repatriation are free to do so. The BNP policy is Voluntary Repatriation not Compulsory Repatriation. It is a pity that the people who compiled this list are not intelligent enough to understand the difference between the two policies. The BNP does not, and will not, ever support any policies of Compulsory Repatriation for Naturalised British Citizens.

    Q. Specifically what procedures will a BNP government implement in order to “encourage” non-white British citizens to accept voluntary repatriation? Please provide the maximum level of detail possible.

    A - None. This whole issue ‘ of encouraging non-white British citizens to accept voluntary repatriation’ is symptomatic of the ignorance and the psychosis of the person who compiled the questions. The policy will be VOLUNTARY. It will apply to all races, colours, religions etc not just non-whites. The only incentives offered will be financial assistance in relation to relocation grants and resettlement grants.

    Q. Exactly what percentage of Britain’s foreign aid budget will be used in order to provide the “generous financial incentive” to encourage the voluntary repatriation of approximately 6 million non-white British citizens?

    A - The entire foreign budget will be diverted from subsidising tyrants, corrupt oligarchs and aid dependent terror states in the Developing World into assisting the creation of civil societies in those nations through the talents and skills of voluntarily repatriated members of the diasporas of those nations. The theft of the most skilled, most talented and most essential people of Developing Nations such as doctors, nurses, economists and entrepreneurs over decades by the West, and especially nations such as Britain, has been a crime against humanity. As a result of this theft of the brightest and most talented people from the Developing World the African continent has been devastated. In the midst of the worst human crisis in history, the AID’s crisis, the NHS has robbed the African continent of its most essential people. This theft has been ’moralised’ by successive governments as sign of our counties ‘Strength through Diversity‘ ( a fascistic slogan if there ever was one), when in reality it is has been one of the greatest crimes against humanity of the post-colonial era.

    We intend to assist the Developing World in building functional economies and civil societies where through trade and mutual co-operation we can work together to create nations that can take care of their own people, rather than nations that are dependent upon the charity of the West at the same time as we steal away the brightest and best people of those countries.

    Q. What will be the total financial amount required in order to provide this “generous financial incentive” for up to 6 million people?

    A - As stated above the figures cannot be ascertained until the true figures of actual numbers in our country are ascertained.

    Q. Will Britain’s white/Caucasian population be subject to taxation by a BNP government in order to finance this incentive?

    A - We intend to impose punitive taxation on those companies, individuals and corporations in Britain who have profited from the theft of the most skilled and essential people from the Developing World. Our tax policy will be essentially based on removing the profit from exploiting the Developing World and as a result this will ensure that civil societies in the Developing World are able to develop their own economies. Once we have assisted those nations in the development of their own civil societies and functional economies then those nations, in particular the Commonwealth nations, will be given trade deals whereby we both profit from the process. The cost to the tax payer will be less than it is today as at present. This is because the collapse of nations in the Developing World is borne financially by British citizens in relation to spending on mass immigration into the UK, asylum seeking into the UK and foreign aid to failed nation states. Once we end the exploitation of the Developing World all these pernicious dynamics will cease to exist and the British taxpayer will no longer have to subsidise the effects of post-colonial human resource theft from the Developing World nor the corporations that profit from stealing the people and resources of the Developing World.

    Q. What will be the status of British citizens (both minors and legal adults) who are the children of one white/Caucasian parent and one non-white parent, specifically taking into consideration Nick Griffin’s recent response “I don’t care, drop them all over Africa”?

    A - This is quite simply a lie. Nick Griffin never said that statement. Their status will be exactly as it is now.

    Q. What will be the status of white/Caucasian British citizens married to non-white British citizens at the time of the election of a BNP government?

    A - The exact same as it is now.

    Q. What will be the legal status of the marriages detailed in point 47? Will they be declared void/illegal?

    A - No. They will be the exact same as they are now.

    Q. Exactly how will a BNP government “discourage” relationships between white/Caucasian British citizens and non-white British citizens?

    A- It wont. Neither will it use public money to propagandise multi-culturalism and nor will it waste public money on politically correct facile stunts Black History Month. At the moment the only children taught an identity, and taught to be proud of their identity, are non-white children, Under a BNP government all children will be taught to be simply proud to be British and about British culture and history.

    Q. Exactly how will a BNP government “discourage” British citizens involved in mixed-race relationships from having children?

    A - It wont.

    Q. Exactly what level of governmental monitoring and involvement in the private lives of British citizens does the BNP foresee in order to enforce the policies referenced in points 49 and 50?

    A- None.

    Q. What legal rights and protections will non-white British citizens not have, in comparison with the white/Caucasian British population? And will non-white British citizens be subject to any special taxation?

    A - The same as today. Everyone will be taxed the same, except for those corporations, individuals and companies involved in asset stripping the Developing World.

    Q. What voting rights in local & national British elections will non-white British citizens have, if any?

    A- The exact same rights as everyone else.

    Q. Exactly how would a BNP government enforce first preference being given to white/Caucasian employees over non-white employees when individuals are being assessed for promotion, team composition, or workload assignment in the private sector?

    A - The BNP will scrap all laws that allow Affirmative Action, Positive Discrimination and Racial Quotas, and abolish all laws that are racist against White British Citizens on the grounds of their race or sex. We will create a Meritocratic society where the brightest and the best get their jobs simply on the basis of talent, and where Whites are not penalised on the grounds of their race. It is the politically correct liberals that have, in the name of multi-culturalism and political correctness, created the most racist state in British history.

    Q. Exactly how would a BNP government enforce first preference being given to white/Caucasian candidates over non-white candidates for job vacancies in the private sector?

    A - The BNP are going to scrap all politically correct Liberal Fascist laws that penalise Whites on the grounds of their race and that allow Affirmative Action and Positive Discrimination for less qualified non-whites. That means we will create a society where employers must only employ the best qualified applicant. If they do not do that then the employer will face financial sanctions. It is not in the interests of the nation or our national economy to have jobs taken by under qualified people simply because they are non-white or because of some ‘racial quota’. We will ensure that the present anti-white racist system of employment law is scrapped and that employers will have a single legal duty placed upon them - that they must hire only the best qualified applicant regardless of race or any other factor. If they fail to do that then we will ensure they suffer financial liabilities.

    Only in the event where it is a genuine occupational requirement for the job eg a Chinese restaurant in order to produce authentic Chinese cuisine must employ a British citizen of Chinese ancestry will the employer be allowed to employ only the best qualified applicant from that specified racial or ethnic group. The same would apply to Indian restaurants, Black owned businesses that cater exclusively to Back British clientele ( eg a hair dressers that offers specialised services for black clientele ). Only in such limited circumstances would a business be able to claim that race or ethnicty is a legitimate factor in the operation of their business and be allowed to employ the best qualified applicant from within that specified racial or ethnic group.

    Q. Exactly how would a BNP government enforce first preference being given to white/Caucasian clients/customers over non-white clients/customers when professional services are being provided by individuals and companies in the private sector?

    A- It wont. It will allow individuals and companies to hire only the best qualified person for the job, not ‘tokens’ who are being employed to ensure compliance with some politically correct ’race quota’ imposed upon them by the government.

    In most cases employers will not be able to claim any race based exemption to their employment policy and as such they will be offering their services to the entire community and onlyh allowed to employ only the best qualified applicant regardless of their race. Only those companies that offer specialised services for specific sections of the British community based on race or ethnicity, and whose occupational requirements require a race based exemption from the principle of hiring solely on the basis of the best qualifications, will be able legally to offer their services solely to that specific community and utilise a race based proviso to their employment policies.

    If Black British citizens in the UK wish to set up businesses that serve only black clientele and employ only black staff then they will be free to do so. If the owners of Turkish kebab shops want to serve only British citizens of Turkish ancestry in their shops and employ only British citizens of Turkish descent they will be allowed too. If a White British citizen only wants to sell his products to White British citizens and employ on White British staff then they will be allowed too. If Chinese takeaways want to serve only British citizens of Chinese ancestry and employ only British citizens of Chinese ancestry they will be allowed too. If Indian takeaways only want to serve British citizens of Indian descent and only employ British citizens of Indian descent as cooks and waiters in their shops they will be allowed too.

    Q. Exactly how would a BNP government ensure the continued viability and competitiveness of British private companies nationally and (subject to global sanctions and trade embargoes) internationally if the primary criteria in relation to point 61 is race, rather than business & financial benefit?

    A - As stated above this scenario will not apply as it is predicated upon a false premise. We do not intend any such ’race based’ rules on businesses, therefore such a scenario will not occur.

    eGov’s/Pickled Politics’ reaction:

    The lack of economic planning is perhaps the most notable feature of the latest round of answers. There is a real reluctance to cost anything, which tends to be a sign of an ill-thought out idea, while the vague threats to punish companies who employ people from the developing world should ensure a healthy stampede from these shores of multinational firms. This, combined with the boycotts sure to ensue in other countries, will undoubtedly help Britain to become an economic backwater, a real achievement for a nation that built its prosperity on trade.

    The attitude to employment is contradictory. On the one hand we are told that the BNP would abolish race relations laws. This apparently would end ‘discrimination against whites’, which as 5cc pointed out on a previous thread, is complete rubbish, as

    “Positive discrimination is illegal with a few exceptions set out in the Race Relations Act 1976 (sections 37 and 38, which cover encouraging people from specific groups to apply for jobs or offer them training under very specific circumstances.)”

    Yet other proposals could well create an apartheid-esque state, especially as human rights legislation would be swept away. The remarks about “Chinese businesses serving Chinese customers and employing only Chinese staff” etc is a direct reference to state-sanctioned racial segregation and South Africa-style apartheid. The major giveaway is the comment about “White British businesses serving White British customers and employing only White British staff” — which, as we all know, would not exactly be discouraged by a BNP government and may even be actively encouraged one way or another, resulting in the further marginalisation of non-whites from British society as a whole. Put bluntly, it means that white organisations and establishments will be allowed to ban non-white clients and (worse) employees. The word “ghettoisation” comes to mind, which has worrying connotations, not only in the US/segregation sense but also its original meaning in Nazi Germany. Note also his explicit usage of the term “White British” but not “Chinese British”, “Turkish British” etc- thereby deliberately promoting the notion yet again that non-whites are not British.

    Once again, the BNP like their simplistic grand ideas, but when it comes to detail, they struggle.

    (The rest of the social and legal section is in part 3)


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    1. Jennifer Smith — on 6th July, 2009 at 4:53 pm  

      What bollocks you write. It’s a well known fact that even the conservatives are unable to properly cost anything for their future budgets. Why? Simply because the Labour Government won’t let anyone have a look at the books.

      The figures are so utterly and desperately dire, they are too scared to admit what a complete mess we are in.

      Concentrate on getting this dictatorial government to tell the truth, instead of bothering with a political party that will, in truth, amount to nothing.

    2. Jai — on 6th July, 2009 at 5:07 pm  

      Very interesting responses from the BNP.

      Let’s begin.

      *************************************************************

      This whole issue ‘ of encouraging non-white British citizens to accept voluntary repatriation’ is symptomatic of the ignorance and the psychosis of the person who compiled the questions.

      Firstly, it would probably not be a good idea for the BNP to attempt to point fingers at others about alleged “psychosis”, given the following abusive email which Mr Barnes wrote to eGov after he sent them the BNP’s responses to the first batch of questions (previously supplied by Shamit here: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4889#comment-167816 )

      Errr Hello,

      Is anyone there ?

      Are you going to print this list of answers below or are yoy still going to keep printing more of your pathetic BS in your internet articles ?

      From now on keep your mouth shut if you are not really asking for a response and when you get one then do not have the bollocks or brains to post up the answers on your site.

      L.J. Barnes LLB (Hons)

      Secondly, the tone and language of the email above along with the responses as a whole, as examples of formal correspondence from the BNP which have been authorised by the party’s most senior leadership, is not only highly unprofessional and unstatesmanlike for a party campaigning for election to the UK’s highest political office, it is also a damning indictment of the BNP’s attitude towards members of the public/electorate in general.

      If this is how they treat the British public now, it raises disturbing questions about what the BNP’s attitude would be like after they were actually elected, especially if anyone “dared” to question, criticise or contradict them – all legitimate (even critical) activities in a modern British democracy where the politicians are supposed to be the public’s servants, not the other way around. And that should be a grave concern to everyone, regardless of whether one is white or not.

    3. Jai — on 6th July, 2009 at 5:10 pm  

      Q. Exactly what kind of organised nationwide “re-education programme” would a BNP government initiate in order to bring the views of the British civilian
      population into line with the BNP’s policies and ideology?

      A - The British people have been subjected to continuous political brainwashing by the Labour government as regards Multi-Culturalism, immigration and political correctness from the moment it came to power. At the same time the various anti-free speech laws that have been enacted by previous governments have created a climate of fear in our society as regards any debate on immigration and issues related to immigration. The BNP want to create a democratic society based on the principles of an Open Society, whereby people can speak freely and openly without fear about issues that concern them. The BNP seek to re-educate people about their basic British Constitutional rights and to create a society where free debate is no longer criminalised and our basic democratic rights usurped by the Marxist-Leninist ’Terrorism of the Word’ whereby anyone that dares say anything a Liberal Fascist disagrees with is, is no longer instantly called ’racist’.

      Re: “Liberal Fascist” — Fascinating. This sounds exactly like Al-Muhajiroun’s rantings about what they term “Secular Fundamentalism”. The similarities between the two organisations continue to mount.

      Given the track record of the BNP and its supporters, the repeated references to “complete freedom of speech” actually mean “complete freedom to be racist” – which will mean giving racists a free hand to engage in totally unrestricted, unrestrained denigration, ridicule, dehumanisation, harassment and persecution of ethnic minorities, quite possibly along with Jewish people (given the anti-Semitism endemic amongst BNP supporters and Nick Griffin’s own history of anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial). And bear in mind that the BNP intends to wipe out all British laws currently protecting ethnic minorities from racial abuse, harassment, and deliberate attempts to incite racial hatred; the latter, of course, was a charge Nick Griffin himself was successfully prosecuted for, resulting in him now being a convicted criminal.

      I expect the widespread negative portrayal & misrepresentation of ethnic minorities will also be perpetrated using the media, given Nick Griffin’s explicit intentions to utilise the British media once it is under the BNP’s control in order to promote his racist agenda:

      http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4800

      Quote:

      About ten years ago Nick Griffin gave a prominent speech in the United States at an American Friends of the British National Party event. In fact you can watch the speech online, and he says in his speech:

      “There’s a difference between selling out your ideas and selling your ideas. And the BNP isn’t about selling out its ideas, but we are determined to sell them. Basically that means to use saleable words such as freedom, security, identity, democracy. Nobody can criticise them. Nobosy can come at you and attack you on those ideas – they are saleable. Perhaps one day, by being rather more subtle, once we’re in a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say ‘yes, every last one must go’. Perhaps they will one day. But if you hold that out as your sole aim to start with, you’re not going to get anywhere. So instead of talking about racial purity, we talk about identity.”

      In the meantime, perhaps ex-NF member (1967-1986, at which point he was almost 40 – hardly a “young man”) and BNP MEP Andrew Brons has provided an example of things to come:

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/14/bnp-andrew-brons-mep-racist

      At the National Front, Brons was a close ally of Richard Verrall, the author of the Holocaust-denial tract Did Six Million Really Die?, who was vice-chairman. In 1981, while Brons was chairman, the NF endorsed We are National Front, a pamphlet carrying an introduction from Verrall. It had photographs of Brons and Verrall as well as a picture of a gorilla and a black man stating: “These two creatures look the same, don’t they?”

    4. Jai — on 6th July, 2009 at 5:12 pm  

      Q. What will be the status of British citizens (both minors and legal adults)
      who are the children of one white/Caucasian parent and one non-white parent, specifically taking into consideration Nick Griffin’s recent response “I don’t care, drop them all over Africa”?

      A - This is quite simply a lie. Nick Griffin never said that statement. Their status will be exactly as it is now.

      False.

      Especially bearing in mind the BNP’s insistence on inappropriately using the terms “nationality” and “race/ethnicity” interchangeably:

      Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/5363715/We-have-nothing-to-fear-from-these-British-National-Party-jokers.html

      Quote:

      “What would he do with those he couldn’t send “home” because we don’t know their nationality? It’s the kind of thorny problem real politicians wrestle with, but Griffin looked like his head would explode. Eventually he spluttered: “Drop them out of a plane somewhere over Africa. I don’t really care.” I realised dialogue was futile.”

      In fact, the responses to the questions about mixed-race relationships in general are very curious, considering that the BNP actually has an extremely hostile attitude towards such relationships and is explicitly opposed to them. For example:

      - The BNP has said that “when whites take partners from other ethnic groups, a white family line that stretches back into deep pre-history is destroyed.” (Link: http://www.bnp.org.uk/faq.html ).

      - Nick Griffin stated: “… while the BNP is not racist, it must not become multi-racist either. Our fundamental determination to secure a future for white children is restated, and an area of uncertainty is addressed and a position which is both principled and politically realistic is firmly established. We don’t hate anyone, especially the mixed race children who are the most tragic victims of enforced multi-racism, but that does not mean that we accept miscegenation as moral or normal. We do not and we never will”. (Link: http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/race_reality.htm )

      It also raises the question of how mixed-race relationships (and any children as a result) will be depicted in the British media under a BNP government, considering Nick Griffin’s aforementioned intention to exploit it as a medium to spread racist propaganda from the top-down.

    5. Jai — on 6th July, 2009 at 5:14 pm  

      The theft of the most skilled, most talented and most essential people of
      Developing Nations such as doctors, nurses, economists and entrepreneurs over decades by the West, and especially nations such as Britain, has been a crime against humanity. As a result of this theft of the brightest and most talented people from the Developing World the African continent has been devastated.

      - Completely irrelevant to the question which was actually asked.

      - Deliberately misrepresents the proportion of non-white professionals in these occupations in Britain who are literally “from Developing Nations”; for example, in reality the majority of those under the age of 40 who are of South Asian ethnicity (an age group which constitutes the majority of the British Asian population as a whole), particularly British Indians, were born in Britain, have been full-fledged British citizens from birth, are a part of “the West” themselves, and are therefore not actually from “the Developing World” at all.

      - Ignores/avoids the fact that huge numbers of non-white medics will pre-emptively leave (I expect the United States will be the first destination choice and will welcome them with open arms) if the BNP seems to be heading for an election victory, and others will leave as soon as possible afterwards. Doctors and nurses are highly educated, extremely skilled professionals and securing a job outside the UK would not be a problem for them, particularly in the United States, due to the latter’s extremely favourable immigration policies in relation to medics. In a nutshell, they will pre-emptively “jump” en masse a long time before the BNP actually comes to power and has any chance to put its policies into action, and will therefore not wait to be “pushed”.

      - Fixated on “Africa” despite the fact that far more non-white doctors are actually South Asian, either in terms of their previous country of origin (in the cases of the majority over the age of 40) or in terms of ancestry (in the cases of the majority under the age of 40).

      - Fixated on “Africa” despite the fact that the largest non-white population of British citizens is actually of South Asian origin, not African. In fact, the number of British Africans isn’t even close to the number of British (South) Asians.

      – Ignores the primary reason why Britain proactively hired doctors from the Commonwealth countries during the 1960s and 70s: It was because there was a desperate shortage of medical staff in Britain’s NHS at the time, and therefore the lives of huge numbers of British people quite literally depended on it. It goes without saying that the vast majority (quite possibly all) of the Asian doctors who arrived in those times are now full-fledged British citizens, and have been for approx. 40 years, if not more. More details here: “How Asian doctors saved the NHS” — http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3239540.stm.

      – Ignores all the non-white (especially Asian) doctors in the UK who were subsequently born in this country, have always been full-fledged British citizens, and attended medical school in the UK during the past ~40 years.

      – Ignores the fact that approx. 30% of medical students in the UK are non-white, the majority of whom are not only South Asian but are also full-fledged British citizens and therefore fall under the definition of “British medical graduates”.

      Incidentally, the comments about the “collapse of nations in the Developing World” and what the BNP plans to do to “assist” them are nonsense in relation to the rapid rise of India (which, along with the US, is currently the largest financial investor in the British economy and is also predicted to become a global economic superpower during the next few decades along with China, Brazil and of course the US). Either the BNP’s grasp of this aspect of global macroeconomics is somewhat lacking or they’re deliberately avoiding it, hence the repeated references to Africa instead.

      Similarly, the BNP is making considerable assumptions about whether the UK would be in any position to help anyone else at that point, given the economic collapse, international sanctions and trade embargoes that would inevitably ensue upon the election of a BNP government.

    6. Jai — on 6th July, 2009 at 5:15 pm  

      Q. Will Britain’s white/Caucasian population be subject to taxation by a BNP
      government in order to finance this incentive?

      A - We intend to impose punitive taxation on those companies, individuals and corporations in Britain who have profited from the theft of the most skilled and essential people from the Developing World.

      In reality, this means that they will use taxation to penalise any companies, individuals or corporations in Britain who have hired non-white professionals from outside the West and in order to act as a future deterrent. It’s motivated by an agenda to “keep Britain white”.

      I think we can take any claims by the BNP about humanitarian motivations to help “the Developing World” in this answer and all others with a very large pinch of salt.

    7. Jai — on 6th July, 2009 at 5:18 pm  

      Q. What will be the standard BNP procedure in order to deal with non-white British citizens who refuse voluntary repatriation and do not submit to compulsory repatriation?

      A - As stated above the BNP policy on Voluntary Repatriation does not apply to just Non-Whites, it applies to all Naturalised British Citizens of all colours and races who have a Right Of Return ( leges sanguinis ) to their home nations.

      …..Note that the BNP policy on voluntary repatriation, contrary to the facile and erroneous propaganda pumped out by the ignorant, the uninformed and the media, applies to everyone in the country regardless of race, religion, colour, creed or nationality. Everyone from Australians to those from Zaire will be given the opportunity to utilise the Voluntary Repatriation policy,

      I expect that the large numbers of white Australians currently in Britain will not be too thrilled to hear that they are also included as targets of the BNP’s “voluntary” repatriation policy hit-list.

    8. Jai — on 6th July, 2009 at 5:21 pm  

      At the moment the only children taught an identity, and taught to be proud of their identity, are non-white children, Under a BNP government all children will be taught to be simply proud to be British and about British culture and history.

      Given the BNP’s known “sympathies” and their insistence on using the terms “British nationality” and “British ethnicity” interchangeably to mean solely white British citizens, the areas covered in the response above will effectively mean a white supremacist stance and a considerable distortion of British history as a whole, coupled with a heavy bias against any accurate, honest discussions of — or information about — the more negative aspects of British history in relation to non-white countries and peoples.

      Not to mention the portrayal of non-white countries and peoples in general, given the BNP’s tendency to be somewhat economical with the truth in these matters. Case in point is the BNP’s statement in response to the previous batch of questions about Indian soldiers in WW2, where they falsely claimed that “many” joined the Nazis and the other Axis powers. In reality, out of a total of 2.54 million Indian soldiers involved in WW2, 98.4% fought on the side of the Allies.

      And that’s before we even get started on a BNP government’s attitude towards the United States, currently Britain’s closest ally and strongest external cultural influence, considering the BNP’s explicit statement that they “dislike the present American regime and see the need to resist American cultural imperialism” and will effectively “hold American military bases in the UK hostage” in order to prevent American interference in their “nationalist” agenda, as per their 2005 General Election manifesto.

    9. Jai — on 6th July, 2009 at 5:25 pm  

      Q. Exactly how much of Britain’s current GDP, in terms of gross, net, and
      overall percentage figures, is a result of the non-white British population?

      A - Who knows.

      The information is actually freely available. For example:

      British Asians are responsible for 6% of the UK’s total GDP even though they comprise only 4% of the total British population.

      Considering that the UK’s GDP for 2008 was estimated to be $2,674 billion, 6% of that figure is still a huge amount in dollar terms and disproportionately high compared to the proportion of the total British population which consists of British Asians.

      Links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Asian
      http://www.britishasiantrust.com/
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom
      http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=68&pr.y=19&sy=2006&ey=2009&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=112&s=NGDPD%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPGDP%2CPPPPC%2CLP&grp=0&a=

      Statistics pertaining to other British non-white citizens are similarly easily sourced.

      Anyone who believes any of the bullshit pumped out by the present Labour government concerning any statistics related to immigration or immigration linked issues is an idiot. Neither the government nor the politically compromised public institutions who generate such statistics related to the effects of immigration on our economy can be trusted.

      So, according to the BNP, all previous research which has been undertaken and the results/conclusions which have resulted is intrinsically invalid and should therefore be automatically disregarded, particularly if the findings contradict & undermine the BNP’s own agenda. How convenient.

      Q. What would be the estimated financial loss to Britain’s GDP upon the
      withdrawal of all domestic assets by non-white British citizens submitting to “voluntary repatriation” or involved in pre-emptive emigration upon the election of a BNP government?

      A - How can anyone assess the impact of such an issue when the government itself acknowledges that it does not have a clue how many immigrants, illegal immigrants, illegal entrants, asylum seekers or bogus asylum seekers are in the country.

      Irrelevant – the question specifically referred to non-white British citizens. It should be perfectly feasible for a political party seeking election and/or any other interested organisations to undertake the relevant research and provide an accurate estimate for this specific group.

      One of the first jobs of the BNP upon entering government will be to undertake an immediate National Population Audit. As part of this process once we have ascertained the actual figures of the above mentioned groups within our country then we will develop a programme to resolve such issues.

      Interesting. It raises disturbing questions about what the BNP really intends to do with this information and exactly what the (allegedly) as-yet-undeveloped “programme to resolve such issues” will involve.

      Q. What will be the total financial amount required in order to provide this
      “generous financial incentive” for up to 6 million people?

      A - As stated above the figures cannot be ascertained until the true figures of actual numbers in our country are ascertained.

      Q. Exactly what percentage of Britain’s foreign aid budget will be used in order to provide the “generous financial incentive” to encourage the voluntary repatriation of approximately 6 million non-white British citizens?

      A - The entire foreign budget will be diverted from subsidising tyrants, corrupt oligarchs and aid dependent terror states in the Developing World into assisting the creation of civil societies in those nations through the talents and skills of voluntarily repatriated members of the diasporas of those nations.

      If the BNP claims that it is currently impossible to accurately assess how many non-white British citizens there really are in the UK, as per the previous answers quoted above, then how does the BNP know that Britain’s foreign aid budget will be sufficient to finance the aforementioned “general financial incentive” ?

    10. Jai — on 6th July, 2009 at 5:30 pm  

      If Black British citizens in the UK wish to set up businesses that serve only black clientele and employ only black staff then they will be free to do so. If the owners of Turkish kebab shops want to serve only British citizens of Turkish ancestry in their shops and employ only British citizens of Turkish descent they will be allowed too. If a White British citizen only wants to sell his products to White British citizens and employ on White British staff then they will be allowed too. If Chinese takeaways want to serve only British citizens of Chinese
      ancestry and employ only British citizens of Chinese ancestry they will be allowed too. If Indian takeaways only want to serve British citizens of Indian descent and only employ British citizens of Indian descent as cooks and waiters in their shops they will be allowed too.

      This is the most damning response of all. Especially the following sentence:

      If a White British citizen only wants to sell his products to White British
      citizens and employ on White British staff then they will be allowed too.

      These activities would indeed result in the systematic marginalisation of non-white British citizens from British society as a whole, considering that 90% of the population of Britain is white. Again, as the main article states, it means that white organisations and establishments will be allowed to refuse to hire non-white employees and to refuse to provide services to non-white clients/customers.

      It basically means state-sanctioned racial segregation in the United Kingdom.

      ***********************************

      To summarise the responses to the latest batch of questions: The BNP claim they’re not going to actively (or openly) encourage racial discrimination or bigotry against non-white people (including the majority who are British citizens) — they’re just not going to stop anyone else in Britain from doing it, and they’re going to wipe out any human rights legislation or British laws in general which are designed to protect ethnic minorities from exactly this type of racist treatment.

      So there it is: The BNP’s goal is effectively apartheid-era South Africa, pre-Civil Rights racially-segregated America, and Nazi Germany.

      And we have this directly from them, in writing, and in their own words.

    11. Jennifer Smith — on 6th July, 2009 at 5:50 pm  

      So there it is: The BNP’s goal is effectively apartheid-era South Africa, pre-Civil Rights racially-segregated America, and Nazi Germany.

      God, I hope so…. it should include the righteous too!

    12. MaidMarian — on 6th July, 2009 at 6:39 pm  

      ‘This whole issue ‘ of encouraging non-white British citizens to accept voluntary repatriation’ is symptomatic of the ignorance and the psychosis of the person who compiled the questions. The policy will be VOLUNTARY. It will apply to all races, colours, religions etc not just non-whites. The only incentives offered will be financial assistance in relation to relocation grants and resettlement grants.’

      Fantastic! I think I had some distant relatives from Barbados, St Lucia and a few other island paradises.

      Where do I sign up for my fully funded repatriation to the much loved land of people who may or may not have been my relatives?

    13. Don — on 6th July, 2009 at 7:02 pm  

      After Jai’s detailed response, I know this is a trivial, even ad hominem point, but Lee John Barnes LLB(Hons)? Who the hell sticks their bachelor’s degree on the end of their name? Might as well tell us what ‘A’ levels he got.

      And how are these statements compatible with one another;

      Only in the event where it is a genuine occupational requirement for the job eg a Chinese restaurant in order to produce authentic Chinese cuisine must employ a British citizen of Chinese ancestry will the employer be allowed to employ only the best qualified applicant from that specified racial or ethnic group.

      If Black British citizens in the UK wish to set up businesses that serve only black clientele and employ only black staff then they will be free to do so. If the owners of Turkish kebab shops want to serve only British citizens of Turkish ancestry in their shops and employ only British citizens of Turkish descent they will be allowed too. If a White British citizen only wants to sell his products to White British citizens and employ on White British staff then they will be allowed too.?

    14. Vikrant — on 6th July, 2009 at 7:23 pm  

      We intend to impose punitive taxation on those companies, individuals and corporations in Britain who have profited from the theft of the most skilled and essential people from the Developing World. Our tax policy will be essentially based on removing the profit from exploiting the Developing World and as a result this will ensure that civil societies in the Developing World are able to develop their own economies. Once we have assisted those nations in the development of their own civil societies and functional economies then those nations, in particular the Commonwealth nations, will be given trade deals whereby we both profit from the process.

      and then this

      . We will create a Meritocratic society where the brightest and the best get their jobs simply on the basis of talent

      Boy talk about self-contradiction. Has anyone in the BNP taken as much as an introductory course in Macroeconomics? I am interning at a silicon valley firm, which designs GPU units for computers. My boss was born in London and another one is from Hong Kong, half a dozen of my co-workers are from China and India. Thats the way how globalisation works.

      Plus don’t you find this talk about “helping Commonwealth countries develop a functional economy” a bit patronising? Are they still suffering from some colonial hangover? Britain needs India more than India needs the UK for examples. Indian companies are second largest foreign investors in the British economy, despite all the “brain drain” India and especially China seem to be doing really well, so this attempt at taking a higher moral ground with the talk of “not stealing developing world professionals” doesn’t simply fly!

    15. Ravi Naik — on 6th July, 2009 at 8:36 pm  

      Plus don’t you find this talk about “helping Commonwealth countries develop a functional economy” a bit patronising?

      They are still partying like it is 1948. Who wants to tell them that the world has moved on?

    16. dave bones — on 6th July, 2009 at 10:33 pm  

      the BNP policy on voluntary repatriation, contrary to the facile and erroneous propaganda pumped out by the ignorant, the uninformed and the media, applies to everyone in the country regardless of race, religion, colour, creed or nationality.

      I am with MaidMarian. Can I be repatriated somewhere hot even if I am English?

      I like reading peoples utopian world views even if they are controversial. I think all utopianists are in a comparable headspace. Obviously those who are more bitter about how things are now come up with more worrying solutions and we can all enjoy smirking at them if they are no where near any sort of power.

      But politics is a dangerous thing eh. When those in charge are complacent and corrupt, extremes can benefit and I would imagine that in power the BNP would behave like any other political party do in relation to their promises.

      I am enjoying the way you are deciding to address all this over here, well done.

    17. Annie — on 6th July, 2009 at 10:57 pm  

      Lets face it.Whatever their replies would have been you would have knocked them.Nothing would have been an acceptable answer.Well from what ive read they seem better than what we have now.Lets face it the 3 major parties we have now havent done us much good have they?I have no idea how i would vote but i know it wont be for any of them.Theyre all thieves and liars.The UAF and UKIP arent much better.Every site is into slagging off the BNP,dont get me wrong i am NOT sticking up for them,but it has to be said where do we go from here? I think all the publicity even though most is nasty is doing them some good.Maybe its made people visit their site,or maybe they are seem as victims,with the bad press and the egg throwing incident,Maybe people like their immigration policies,The government know how people are feeling about it and yet they dont act upon it.All confidence has gone with the 3 parties, Their priorities were to line their own pockets with our money.Saying the BNP wont keep their promises i cant say but i bet they wouldnt thieve from us.

    18. dave bones — on 6th July, 2009 at 11:15 pm  

      Lee Johns taste in music is interesting too.

    19. Miriam Binder — on 6th July, 2009 at 11:27 pm  

      It would have been difficult to knock reasoned answers even if you essentially disagreed with them.

    20. Annie — on 6th July, 2009 at 11:35 pm  

      You really think so? I dont.I believe theyd be knocked reasoned or not.Once people make their mind up against something,no answer is the right one.As the hate or dislike is there.Which answers did you agree with?

    21. Miriam Binder — on 6th July, 2009 at 11:35 pm  

      He lists his occupation as ‘demagogue’ and as his blog concerns itself with 21st Century British Nationalism one can assume that the second definition isn’t suitable:

      1 : a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power
      2 : a leader championing the cause of the common people in ancient times

    22. Annie — on 6th July, 2009 at 11:36 pm  

      I disagree.Once the dislike or hate is there,then no answer would suffice.Which did you agree with

    23. Miriam Binder — on 6th July, 2009 at 11:38 pm  

      As I do not think he has really answered any questions in any depth, there is absolutely nothing I can either agree or disagree with.

    24. Annie — on 6th July, 2009 at 11:46 pm  

      Lol, no surprises there then.

    25. Miriam Binder — on 7th July, 2009 at 12:03 am  

      Lee’s lack of in depth answers? You are right … no surprises

    26. John — on 7th July, 2009 at 4:00 am  

      If multiculturalism is so great come and live in any inner city borough then tell me the BNP are not right. It is more than apparent that those who are most opposed to the BNP have no idea what the consequences of multiculturalism really are. If you think it is so wonderful then live in Peckham and send your kids to the local comprehensive. They will love the vibrancy and diversity they get. Don’t preach multiculturalism from your gated suburban white communities!

      De-brainwashing for the Liberal Elitists-

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnJcsQYZEGU

    27. D-Notice — on 7th July, 2009 at 7:01 am  

      John

      I live in inner-city east London (Stepney Green).

      The BNP are wrong.

    28. Colin Brown — on 7th July, 2009 at 8:52 am  

      In effect, what Lee Barns proposes is nothing new. Labour have built a substantial framework of apartheid in Britain better known as multiculturalism.

      By and large, Asians, Africans and Brit’s - don’t integrate. An exception to this unwritten rule, is Brits spending money with Asians even though we know the arrangement is non-reciprocal.

      Therefore, my question is this:

      Q. Why not make separation official? It’s not like we’re a closely-knit group of mixed-race individuals who get on like a house on fire - is it?

    29. Ravi Naik — on 7th July, 2009 at 9:05 am  

      By and large, Asians, Africans and Brit’s – don’t integrate. An exception to this unwritten rule, is Brits spending money with Asians even though we know the arrangement is non-reciprocal.

      I shouldn’t say this because it is so obvious. But I will do it as a public service to idiots like yourself: Asians pay taxes, they buy their groceries in Tesco, Asda and other supermarket chains, they buy services from British companies like Virgin, BT, and the like. 4% of Asians contribute to 6% of the economy. That’s 6% of wealth that is invested in everyone, not just Asians.

      Q. Why not make separation official?

      If integration is an exception as you say, what do you gain by making separation official? Only racists feel the need to have Apartheid laws… but we know that people like yourself or the BNP are not racist - because you keep saying that you couldn’t possibly be racist, so can you explain why you need Apartheid laws in Britain?

    30. persephone — on 7th July, 2009 at 9:24 am  

      As to the BNP saying there is a lack of statistics:

      This morning on a BBC1 breakfast programme they covered the highlights of a recent survey which revealed that less than 2% of affordable housing went to a non British resident & that 9 out of 10 people who obtained affordable housing were born in Britain.

    31. Colin Brown — on 7th July, 2009 at 9:39 am  

      Asians buy from Tesco’s and the utility companies for the same reasons as us - they have little choice.

      However, where Asians do have a choice, they choose NOT to spend the money they’ve earned with the nation of British shopkeepers.

      But then why should you? You don’t need our butcher shops because you have established your own halal dedicated shops (how very inclusive).

      Please, dispense with the bullshit. Admit it, it would pain you as a people to think that even a single pound earned from a hapless Brit was going back to a Brit.

      As a people, I know how you tick. You can’t pull the wool over my eyes on this one. The money Asians earn from British society is either sent back to your native countries or spent among your own kind that are established here. You do NOT give money back to the English unless you have NO other choice available to you.

    32. Shamit — on 7th July, 2009 at 9:56 am  

      Colin

      Your assertions are foolish and as usual demonstrate your ignorance. Asians like all other people when choosing service providers - choose services they like and those that make economic sense.

      Where do you think people buy their clothes from?

      The Halal shops cater to more than Asians and not all Asians buy from Halal shops.

      We are Brits and we do support Britain irrespective of what you might say.

      I know you are sprouting the apartheid rhetoric but people don’t buy that crap. And what your party suggests would ruin the British economy — but again if you did realise that you wouldn’t be supporting BNP

    33. Jai — on 7th July, 2009 at 10:04 am  

      not all Asians buy from Halal shops.

      Especially approximately 50% of the British Asian population which is not Muslim and is therefore not subject to Islamic dietary restrictions.

    34. Jai — on 7th July, 2009 at 10:19 am  

      A commenter on the exotically-named “Counting Cats in Zanzibar” blog made some absolutely superb points a few months ago. I think that the remarks about ‘coloured people bringing an illiberal culture with them when immigrating’ are a considerable generalisation and certainly not applicable in the cases of (for example) people of Caribbean origin or absolutely huge numbers of the British Indian population who were born here during the past 40 years, but apart from that, it’s probably one of the most articulate, eloquent and spot-on succinct summaries of the fundamental problem with the BNP and its supporters that I’ve ever read.

      Link: http://www.countingcats.com/?p=2435&cpage=1#comment-4933

      Quote:

      But the point being made here is that it is this tribalism that is the problem, and that the BNP in copying it are only making things worse. The BNP are simply white tribalism. People are the same, irrespective of skin colour, and the BNP are a perfect example of what they see and complain about in foreigners.

      It’s about cultures; not races or nations. If people want to stand up for a genuinely liberal culture - one that does not restrict people with rules and limits imposed on them by society - we’re with them. If they want to express pride that the British people (as opposed to their current rulers) were and are heavily committed to such a culture and the fight to create/preserve it, that’s perfectly OK. But the moment they try to attach that to some other characteristic, some tribal marker like skin colour or ancestry or nationality, they are revealed as precisely the same sort of idiots we’re fighting against; just white-skinned ones. It’s a natural human reaction - people of every kind do it - but it is spectacularly ironic to to indulge in it while supposedly campaigning against it.

      What I want is a world where you can be the only white person on the bus and feel perfectly safe, because you will know that everybody on it respects the same values of liberty and tolerance. And that the bus could be anywhere from Clapham to Mecca.

      Until people recognise that it is the culture that matters, and that liberty is as important for dark-skinned people as light-skinned ones, in just the same way it is for people with blood group O as for blood group AB, we will continue to lose this war. The problem is not that coloured people immigrate, it is that they bring an illiberal culture with them. We want the people, we only need to reject the illiberal aspects of the culture.

      To reject the people and take on their illiberality is lunacy of the highest order.

    35. hantsboy — on 7th July, 2009 at 10:21 am  

      And what your party suggests would ruin the British economy

      Shamit

      WHAT - you mean worse than the present lot ?

      Are they really as bad as that ?

    36. damon — on 7th July, 2009 at 10:33 am  

      @ 28 ”Why not make separation official?”
      My work mates are of several different races (and nationalities) and we get on together fine. Why would we want to have some kind of (daft) seperation?

      Maybe you just can’t argue with hardcore racists (I know one guy locally who refers to people of ethnic minorities in Britain as ”filth”). He too would echo John @ 26 in talking like that about Peckham.

      What gives the likes of John some feeling of righteousness here (I guess) is that the left seem (to my mind) have difficulty talking about difficult issues that some places have, when the ‘difficulties’ include people from ethnic minorities.
      So as with Peckham and it’s high stats for inner-city ”ghetto problems” - I feel that the left runs and hides a bit and doesn’t like to face them head on.

      As I said, it’s probably pointless talking about this stuff with hardcore racists. And I’m sure you can come up with all kinds of reasons for these problems, (blaming racism and the government and poor local services), but in London particularly, black boys have been in all the negative stats when it comes to things like achievement at school to coming to the attention of the police.
      I mentioned this young lad from East London just the other day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyCOusMxGGo

      He came from Congo as a child (with his mother - presumably as an asylum seeker).
      Growing up in East London sink estates, he (and his mates) just seemed to have drifted into this gang culture, where young people attack other young people from outside their immediate neighbourhood.
      As I said on another thread just a couple of days ago, of the 27 teenagers killed in London in 2007, 9 were of Congolese origin.

      That sort of stastic is fuel for racists, and one that I have found (having aired it before on another leftwing website) that many leftists will not deal with. (Maybe it’s impossible to do so without conceeding ground to racists.)

    37. Miriam Binder — on 7th July, 2009 at 10:54 am  

      Kosher groceries and Halal butcher shops are not excluding. There is absolutely nothing that precludes a gentile from entering either store and purchasing halal goat meat for an authentic curry or Thelma stock cubes for a pot of chicken soup …

      Is a greengrocer practising exclusion by not stocking shoepolish?

    38. Miriam Binder — on 7th July, 2009 at 11:00 am  

      The issues specific to Congoese youth have a lot to do with why their parent/s sought to bring them here. They were born in an area that valued human life very little and then put on sink estates where they were again left feeling worthless as few but their peers could start to enter into the horrors those children had lived through.

      If it reflects badly on anyone it is on the receiving community that could not reach out and instill a sense of acceptance in these youths.

    39. Ravi Naik — on 7th July, 2009 at 11:02 am  

      That sort of stastic is fuel for racists, and one that I have found (having aired it before on another leftwing website) that many leftists will not deal with. (Maybe it’s impossible to do so without conceeding ground to racists.)

      Can I say something, Damon? Fuck the racists. There is no winning with these losers who are just leeches. They either complain that non-indigenous are too hardworking and take jobs from indigenous, or that they take their benefits and housing.

      Nobody wants teenagers to be on the streets and forming gangs - so, it is a problem that needs to be tackled hands-on.

    40. Ravi Naik — on 7th July, 2009 at 11:10 am  

      However, where Asians do have a choice, they choose NOT to spend the money they’ve earned with the nation of British shopkeepers.

      You seem to castigate Asians for sticking with their own, yet you support a party that wants to enforce Apartheid, and you yourself has called for an official separation of races.

      Is it too hard to ask for some consistency from a BNP supporter or official?

    41. Colin Brown — on 7th July, 2009 at 11:14 am  

      Asian now inhabit 52% of Leicester. By doing so, they have (peacefully) forced out the vast majority of non-Asians who have dowelled there for hundreds of years - the British. Said Asians have created a mono-cultural Asian-only exclusive society.

      It beggars belief that the majority of poster on PP have the audacity to question their hosts - the British about the way WE want to live in what is after all OUR country.

      Asian hypocrisy - it takes some beating. If you insist on keep calling us racists what the hell does it make you?

    42. Shamit — on 7th July, 2009 at 11:27 am  

      Hang on Colin.

      “Asian now inhabit 52% of Leicester”

      You mean British citizens of Asian origin.

      “It beggars belief that the majority of poster on PP have the audacity to question their hosts – the British about the way WE want to live in what is after all OUR country.”

      It is our country too you idiot and we are hosts too.

      How are Asians stopping or questioning the way White English people want to live? Could you cite some examples or you are just going to carry on with your useless rhetoric.

      Come on man, you actually are far more intelligent than your comments here. So why hide your intelligence and sprout this stupidity? That does not befit you at all.

    43. Ravi Naik — on 7th July, 2009 at 11:30 am  

      Asian now inhabit 52% of Leicester

      I believe it’s 30%.

      It beggars belief that the majority of poster on PP have the audacity to question their hosts

      You are a relic of a distant past, aren’t you boy? :)

      If you insist on keep calling us racists what the hell does it make you?

      Don’t hide behind the “us”, Colin. Be a man, and admit that people who look or dress different than you make you uncomfortable and nervous. You can find a million reasons of why you feel this way, but they are just excuses, aren’t they?

    44. Shamit — on 7th July, 2009 at 11:30 am  

      Ravi

      “Is it too hard to ask for some consistency from a BNP supporter or official?”

      Whenever people lack logic or follow flawed logic they tend to become inconsistent. Because in their minds, the flawed logic would somehow circumvent all challenges and deliver their desired outcomes.

    45. Colin Brown — on 7th July, 2009 at 11:38 am  

      #37. Miriam Binder

      WRONG! Kosher and Halal shops kill animals in a manner that is not in keeping with traditional English slaughter methods. Brits don’t force suffering on animals during slaughter. Conversely, Asians seem to have no problem making animals suffer greatly during slaughter.

      Therefore, for reason of morality alone, Brits have no other choice than to shop elsewhere. It’s our country - it should be our rules. But as usual, members of victimhood (that’s you guys) get their own way in Marxist controlled Britain - which is something you (as intelligent Asians) are well aware of.

      Enough with the bullshit. Tell it how it is. I and millions of other Brits can see straight through this Asian smoke screen. You’re fooling no-one.

    46. Ravi Naik — on 7th July, 2009 at 11:45 am  

      Whenever people lack logic or follow flawed logic they tend to become inconsistent. Because in their minds, the flawed logic would somehow circumvent all challenges and deliver their desired outcomes.

      Absolutely, Shamit. I have to admit to be quite disappointed by the lack of substance and coherence from the BNP… it is no fun debating with people who contradict themselves.

    47. David — on 7th July, 2009 at 2:25 pm  

      There was alot of things on this page I could of commented on but to be quite honest it was pretty much covered in some way by someone else.

      The only thing I want to reply to now, given how un-educated a statement it was is to Colin Brown’s quote that Asains “do NOT give money back to the English unless you have NO other choice available to you”

      This is quite simply wrong, I am a Website Developer with clients of many Races, I know for an absolute fact there are Asian and Black Website Developer in the same district as me so if your statement was true surly I would not have these clients.

      All Races buy products and services for the same reason and that is because they fit their needs or it is the best possible product/service for their money.

    48. dave bones — on 7th July, 2009 at 2:32 pm  

      What is wrong with Pekham?

    49. persephone — on 7th July, 2009 at 2:45 pm  

      “What is wrong with Pekham?”

      Answer: there is a c missing

    50. damon — on 7th July, 2009 at 2:57 pm  

      Miriam Binder @ 38 and Ravi Naik @ 39, I agree.
      (Particularly with the statement ‘Fuck the racists’)

      I don’t know if this Dispatches documentry was discussed on Pickled Politics when it was on TV last year.
      The one by Rageh Omaar called; ”Immigration: The Inconvenient Truth”.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF0LV8Ha8ro
      Perhaps it’s too sensationalist. It does offer up some rather depressing views on how reluctant Britain (as a whole) seems to be to embrace this multi-culturalism.

      And the journalist from the South London Press newspaper (@ 3 minutes 15 seconds) also says somthing that I think several people on Pickled Politics disregard (it seems).
      Ger Francis was one (a few days ago) I thought.

      The journalist from the South London Press, who has been coveing cases of racial violence says that a reason for this violence is ”the tension that is created (esentially) when a foriegn community moves into an area, is almost certainly an important factor in it. On the whole the gangs do tend to be broken down on racial lines”.

      As Rageh Omaar then explains. This isn’t a white on black thing, but rather within different communities who have their roots outside the UK.

      Apart from the killings and stabbings (which can’t be brushed under the carpet), is reporting of things like this on a programme like Dispatches, irresponsible?
      Was Rageh Omaar irresponsible to make this (three part) documentary?
      I only say that, because I think that some people might say that this kind of programme only aids the BNP, and that no good can come out of it.

    51. Colin Brown — on 7th July, 2009 at 3:15 pm  

      #48. David.

      One of my three brothers owns two profitable D.I.Y shops and one small builders yard in the Redbridge area.

      Now, here’s the interesting bit. My brother (a Labour supporter) can’t stand the BNP - nor can he understand why I choose to associate with that party in any way whatsoever.

      To state the obvious, my brother and I are very different people. However, in the 19 years that he’s been trading, he estimates that less than 2% of his entire trade came from the Asian community.

      Of that 2%, he estimates the average spend to be just £5.00. He enjoys trade from Asians when they have run out of screws/nails or Polyfiller whilst finishing up a job. In contrast to this observation, his English clientele spend between £1.00 and £500.00 per visit.

      English builders buy pallets of bricks and yards of sand via my Brother. Plumbers purchase large bundles of 15mm & 22mm copper piping, radiators - even combination boilers.

      What do you conclude from this information David?

    52. Shamit — on 7th July, 2009 at 3:45 pm  

      Colin -

      Could it be there are not many Asian builders in the area?

      Second, how many Asian clients did those white builders each have? What is the percentage of Asian population in the area you are focusing upon?

      Unless you provide us with those statistics, this is once again proving to be a typical tactic from BNP - using only partial information to draw conclusions?

      ********************************************
      On the economic aspect — please take a look at the top feature on our site - its about inward investment in the UK. See how well we have done as a country — and a lot of this money would not be here if we implemented your policies.

      Some key bits from the article:

      ** UK is second only to the US when it comes to inward investment.

      **The United States was the biggest investor. American businesses were involved in 621 projects and created or safeguarded 27, 615 jobs.

      ** We have also seen India rise to become the second largest source of investment projects in to the UK with 108 projects creating or safeguarding 7,966 jobs.

      And for the reasons he cited:

      ** We have a highly skilled and flexible workforce, and a high quality business environment. The UK’s international business connections make it an excellent springboard to the rest of the world.

      Read the article:

      http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/26088
      *******************************************

      Well if we elect BNP this would stop as we would not have a highly skilled and flexible workforce and definitely not a high quality business environment.

      Our presence as the centre of the world with significant commonwealth connections and the competitive advantages that go with it would disappear.

      How much inward investment did South Africa get during the apartheid and do you know the impact it had on S. African economy?

      Do you want Britain to suffer a similar fate — and worse especially since the money now comes from developing nations which are often not majority white. Also, the reaction of the US Congress and not to mention the White House would not be very good either.

      The macro-economic situation in a country depends on a whole host of factors and I have a feeling you know that very well. Now, if you look at our GDP — its dominated by the service industries and if we are not allowed to export our knowledge and have an economic ban on us — then have you thought about how the GNP would look.

      And, worse we can’t even then go to the IMF to bail us out. Add on to that, you and your party talk about voluntary repatriation with money — first of all, you would have to let all the money that is owned by Asians and other minorities to go with them — anything otherwise would freeze British Assets everywhere. That is a fairly large sum of money. If you need help with the approx. number - I would be happy to provide it to you.

      Second, You promised to pay them some money to go as well —

      Now can you at least get a glimpse of how the British people would get penalised for electing a dumb bunch of thugs?

      Out of the 900,000 odd thousand votes your party got this time, how many people do you think realise the full economic implications of voting for you lot?

      Is your party really looking after the interests of your constituents? I beg to differ and as British citizens we felt it is our obligation to let people know how incoherent and dangerous your policies are for those who you apparently seek to protect.

    53. bananabrain — on 7th July, 2009 at 3:51 pm  

      WRONG! Kosher and Halal shops kill animals in a manner that is not in keeping with traditional English slaughter methods. Brits don’t force suffering on animals during slaughter.

      kosher slaughter is about honouring G!D by eliminating trauma to the animal as far as possible. an animal that suffers when it is slaughtered has by definition not been killed in a kosher fashion and its meat is not permitted. shohetim (kosher slaughterers) go to school for 6 years to learn how to do this properly. kashrut is acknowledged as a humane form of slaughter throughout the world in all impartial jurisdictions. why don’t you learn something about it before you beg the question in such an obviously ignorant fashion?

      b’shalom

      bananabrain

    54. Carmenego — on 7th July, 2009 at 4:03 pm  

      @Colin
      “Asian smoke screen”? Oh come on!

      EVERYONE in the UK lives by “our rules” (with the exception of those breaking the law, of course). Why do you have such a problem with multiculturalism?

      Without it, we’d have no decent curry houses or kebab shops, think of the bigger picture here.

      Do you have any statistics on British Asians boycotting British Caucasian run businesses? If I want a pair of shoes, I’m gonna get them from whichever place sells them, regardless of the ethnicity of the person selling them to me. Admit it, you’re just making things up to try (and fail) to prove a point.

    55. Colin Brown — on 7th July, 2009 at 4:09 pm  

      #53. Shamit.

      RE: More information.

      Redbridge covers Ilford, Goodmayes, Gants Hill, Seven Kings, Woodford and Hainault. The Asian inhabitants of these areas account for 65% of the total population. My brothers English builders cannot recall ever being requested by an Asian family to carry out building work.

      It would appear that the Asians that reside in the Borough of Redbridge use their own people exclusively for building and alteration work.

      The English simply don’t get a look-in.

    56. Carmenego — on 7th July, 2009 at 4:13 pm  

      #56 Colin

      There is a credit crunch going on y’know. Perhaps the British Asians in Leicester haven’t been in the mood to renovate their houses in the last few months?

      The other possibility is that builders get a lot of work by word of mouth. Could it be that British Asians in Leicester are recommending a small number of builders which perhaps do not include your brothers English builder friends?

    57. Jai — on 7th July, 2009 at 4:32 pm  

      Redbridge covers Ilford, Goodmayes, Gants Hill, Seven Kings, Woodford and Hainault. The Asian inhabitants of these areas account for 65% of the total population.

      Completely false.

      According to 2005 figures, the Asian inhabitants of Redbridge (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi and ‘other Asian’) constitute only 26.5% of the total population.

      Links:

      http://www.london.gov.uk/gla/publications/factsandfigures/dmag-update-20-2007-ons-ethnic-group-estimates.pdf

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Borough_of_Redbridge

    58. Shamit — on 7th July, 2009 at 5:09 pm  

      One more time getting caught in the lies are we Colin?

      Is that representative of exemplary British behaviour? Of course not

    59. chairwoman — on 7th July, 2009 at 5:09 pm  

      “WRONG! Kosher and Halal shops kill animals in a manner that is not in keeping with traditional English slaughter methods. Brits don’t force suffering on animals during slaughter.”

      According to a Christian butcher of my acquaintance who has experience of both kosher and non-kosher abattoirs, there is far more cruelty involved in good old ‘traditional English’ slaughter, where slaughterers think nothing of kicking and hitting the poor beasts before stunning them insufficiently, than there ever is our disgusting ethnic slaughterhouses.

      bananabrain is right, get your facts right.

    60. Don — on 7th July, 2009 at 5:22 pm  

      Redbridge.
      Via Wiki (and so not that hard to find)

      Demographics
      Population
      — Total (2007 est.)
      — Density Ranked 44th (of 326)
      254,400
      4,509 /km2 (11,678 /sq mi)
      Ethnicity
      White British 53.0%
      White Irish 2.0%
      Other White 4.4%
      White & Black Caribbean 0.9%
      White & Black African 0.4%
      White & Asian 0.9%
      Other Mixed 0.7%
      Indian 14.3%
      Pakistani 6.6%
      Bangladeshi 2.3%
      Other Asian 3.3%
      Black Caribbean 3.9%
      Black African 4.6%
      Other Black 6%
      Chinese. 1.0%
      Other (2005 estimates)[1] 1.0%

      Colin, why on earth introduce phony numbers when you know that they will be checked? Didn’t you understand when it was earlier explained to you that on this site you are epected to back up assertions with actual facts from a checkable source? You don’t get to make stuff up around here.

      65% ain’t 25%. And of those 25% how many are in a position to carry out significant building/DIY work on the properties they inhabit? This is shabby stuff, Colin.

      Were you deliberately telling porkies, or do you genuinely not understand that stats are not some number you pull out of thin air?

      My sympathies to your brother, to whom you are probably an embarassment.

    61. Shamit — on 7th July, 2009 at 5:22 pm  

      Colin

      Maybe you should listen to your brother and leave this lying organisation that represents the very worst of being British.

      And that vote share is going down - and can’t wait to pack your party into oblivion.

      But I realise in every community there would be some racist, thick idiots - but exceptions prove the rule that most people are decent hardworking individuals.

      by the way, some well coordinated response to the economic argument with some coherence would be really appreciated.

      But then again — it requires thinking and following logic. Not the best BNP traits are they?

    62. Don — on 7th July, 2009 at 5:29 pm  

      It’s not my proudest moment, but as a rural youngster I did work for a while in the seasonal poultry slaughtering biz. Euthanasia it wasn’t.

      I would suggest that you get your facts right, but apparently that would be like telling a corkscrew to straighten up.

    63. Colin Brown — on 7th July, 2009 at 5:45 pm  

      Jai.

      You are basing your stat-rebuffs on data that is (a). Produced by Nu Labour (full of lies) and (b). Data which is at least two years old.

      Now. Last week I took a leisurely stroll down Ilford High Rd and Ilford Lane. I stepped inside many of the shops these areas offered. Without exception 9, out of 10 employees were Asian. 10/10 of the shoppers were Asian. I then drove up Cranbrook Road towards Gants Hill to see how this once predominantly Jewish area had changed. Again I was met with the same numerical statistic - Asians everywhere.

      I drove down a dual carriageway called the Eastern Avenue until I came to a set of Lights which upon turning right led me down a road called Barley lane.

      This wide road led me to Goodmayes and Seven Kings. I discovered the same population statistic there too.

      In fact, every direction I turned I was literally surrounded by Asians of one description or another.

      Before heading home I stopped off at a friends house in Chadwell Heath. This friend was Born in Redbridge. I asked him if this borough had always been Asian. He replied no - saying that up and till 1994, Redbridge was predominantly white.

      I do my own research Jai. Only a fool would rely on Wikipedia for accurate, politically-sensitive information.

    64. Ravi Naik — on 7th July, 2009 at 6:02 pm  

      Maybe you should listen to your brother and leave this lying organisation that represents the very worst of being British

      Colin’s brother has a successful business which no doubt is the result of hard work. Not surprisingly he knows what the BNP stands for.

      We asked Colin what he accomplished in life and he could not name a single accomplishment (how about being “indigenous”? :) ). He thinks the BNP will give him what he couldn’t achieve by himself, and he blames Asians - successful ones - for being mischievous and taking advantage of naive indigenous people… because there is no way non-whites can be more successful than his sorry arse.

      No, pathetic whiners like Colin will be BNP supporters for life.

    65. Don — on 7th July, 2009 at 6:38 pm  

      At least with the BNP Colin can see himself as an intellectual. This is what they send us? It’s like watching a poodle trying to do quadratic equations.

    66. Amrit — on 7th July, 2009 at 8:10 pm  

      Jai, Ravi and Don - I love you.

      Colin just keeps on bringing the hilarity.

      By and large, Asians, Africans and Brit’s – don’t integrate

      You might want to let all those happily in mixed-race relationships and marriages - or happily the product of such relationships - know of this stunning discovery of yours. They might learn THE TROOF ABOUT MULTI-CULTURAL BRITAIN.

      Or, they might well laugh in your face. Why don’t you try it out and see?

      Q. Why not make separation official? It’s not like we’re a closely-knit group of mixed-race individuals who get on like a house on fire – is it?

      See the above. My partner has already informed me that he would leave in a heartbeat with me if I were ‘encouraged’ to abandon a BNP apartheid Britain. As an Oxbridge graduate, that would be very much YOUR LOSS, mofos.

      If you don’t like seeing non-white people so much, why don’t you just dig yourself a shelter and live there permanently? That way the world can move cheerfully on, and you get your ‘separation’!

    67. David — on 7th July, 2009 at 9:34 pm  

      “Could it be there are not many Asian builders in the area?

      Second, how many Asian clients did those white builders each have? What is the percentage of Asian population in the area you are focusing upon?”

      ^^ This would have been pretty much what I would have replied had I been on sooner. However I noticed some numbers were produced regarding this even if they are being disputed.

      Anyway, keeping it in the industry you know, my Step-Dad owns a very large Building Firm and he has Asian and Black clients he does full renovations for some of them.

      In addition to this my Uncle is a Car Mechanic with a mixed set of clients. We all cover the Manchester Area which has plenty of races inhabiting it.

      The fact of the matter is, as I stated before people of all races will buy the product or service that is right for them. They are not stupid, They are not going to pay for a lesser service just because the provider is Asian in the same way I am not going to pay for a service just because the provider is British.

      Anyway this isn’t an argument I am interested in pursuing I just wanted to state that all races are the same when it comes to purchasing services and products.

      But don’t get me wrong I am sure there are some Asians that will only buy from Asians, in the same way there are Brits that will only buy from Brits, I am guessing you are one of them but that is your choice and right, just try not to presume the method of a whole race based on limited experience.

    68. 5cc — on 7th July, 2009 at 10:26 pm  

      Bit late to this party, but it’s good to see Colin’s providing the entertainment again.

      I’ve been dying to see the answer to the question about what the BNP would do to people who don’t snap up the unspecified amount of cash offered to ‘foreigners’ to bugger off ‘return’ to some country or other they might never have been to - so it was another disappointment to see yet another dodge that doesn’t answer the question.

      Seriously, what are these guys so ashamed of?

      There might be a clue as to what they’d do in a couple of answers here (some I’d seen before, some I hadn’t).

      The BNP will make it perfectly legal to discriminate on the basis of race.

      Then, the BNP will:

      intend to impose punitive taxation on those companies, individuals and corporations in Britain who have profited from the theft of the most skilled and essential people from the Developing World.

      The thing is, we know the BNP consider non-whites to be ‘racial foreigners’. So it’s not entirely impossible that this means the BNP will, via punitive taxation, punish companies that don’t discriminate against non-whites, on the crazy grounds that they’re ‘profiting from the theft of the [blahdy blahdy blah]‘.

      After all, if you were the sort of person that can write the bilge that purports to be answering these questions, you could conceivably formulate the argument that a company has profited from the theft of people from the Developing World by employing immigrants’ children.

      Perhaps that is the real answer to the question about what the BNP would do to non whites who don’t snap up that voluntary repatriation. Make living here virtually impossible by penalising firms (other than restaurants, you understand) that hire them so it’s impossible to find work. And possibly more besides.

      I could get all Godwin’s law here, but I can’t be arsed. It’d be nice if a proper BNP representative could give us the real answer so I could know if I’m right.

      Won’t be holding my breath though.

    69. Don — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:25 am  

      Love Colin’s definition of ‘research’. Walked down the street, saw lots of brown faces. QED.

    70. Gareth — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:46 am  

      Oh come on Don he talked to his mate as well.

      “Again I was met with the same numerical statistic – Asians everywhere.”

      That was my favourite line.

    71. tomoe yamanaka — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:55 am  

      I’ll just be happy when the Germans get here

    72. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 7:58 am  

      This is the Redbridge that I saw last week.

      http://tinyurl.com/lr7o99

    73. Random Guy — on 8th July, 2009 at 8:36 am  

      That article is dated 30 March 2008, Colin. It explains a lot though if you think that it was only a week ago…

    74. Gareth — on 8th July, 2009 at 8:53 am  

      A peace procession? The bastards!

      And Colin:

      “Faith leaders, residents and politicians from ACROSS LONDON also took part in the event”

    75. Jai — on 8th July, 2009 at 9:07 am  

      5cc,

      It’d be nice if a proper BNP representative could give us the real answer so I could know if I’m right.

      With regards to the ongoing responses to the lists of questions which are being sent to the BNP, I believe eGov received written confirmation that L.J Barnes has been formally authorised to speak for and represent the BNP in this matter.

      ***************************

      As for the various examples of ‘research’ which have been provided by certain BNP supporters on this thread, I guess they’re just following the precedent set by the organisation’s current leadership, namely the Nobel prize-winning “You just look…..You just know” method of scientific research and statistical analysis.

    76. Jai — on 8th July, 2009 at 9:18 am  

      5cc,

      Perhaps that is the real answer to the question about what the BNP would do to non whites who don’t snap up that voluntary repatriation. Make living here virtually impossible by penalising firms (other than restaurants, you understand) that hire them so it’s impossible to find work. And possibly more besides.

      Exactly. I’ve been saying this myself for a while now, and the BNP’s answers confirm it.

      They intend to systematically disempower, disenfranchise, marginalise, and impoverish non-white people in Britain, coupled with wiping out all legal safeguards designed to protect them from racial discrimination, racial harassment, racially-motivated persecution, and racially-motivated attacks (physical as well as verbal).

    77. Shamit — on 8th July, 2009 at 9:36 am  

      Just to update what Jai has said.

      The correspondence between eGov monitor and BNP has been conducted through our “editor” email account and their “legal” email account as requested by Mr. Barnes.

      Mr. Barnes refused to speak for any particular individual in the party but his reponses are based on actual party policies. And he is representing the legal cell of the BNP so the responses are as official as it gets.

      **********************************

      The BNP wish to create an apartheid state by selling the British public false bill of goods. And that is a tactic we see over and over again here on PP.

      On this thread, I have asked Colin to refute the economic implications by highlighting some facts and figures - and yet we only get bizzare responses about Redbridge.

      So, either they lack the intellectual ability to follow the logical pattern and reach the most likely conclusions or they are knowingly misleading the public.

      Not very endearing characteristics are they? now if a door step campaign is launched how many of the 900,000 people who voted for this party would still vote for them when they realise the dire implications of their support for this party.

    78. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 9:41 am  

      #77. Jai.

      “disempower, disenfranchise, marginalise, and impoverish”.

      I agree. This is precisely the effect that unregulated mass-immigration and high non-indigenous birth rates are having on genuine British families.

      I say ‘genuine’ because a lot of you are under the impression that if you were born in a stable it would indeed make you a horse - all be it an Asian one!

      Talk about deluded.

    79. hantsboy — on 8th July, 2009 at 9:48 am  

      So, either they lack the intellectual ability to follow the logical pattern and reach the most likely conclusions or they are knowingly misleading the public.

      Shamit

      Even fighting Hitler led to huge economic constraints after WW2. It took years and the loss of a mighty empire to recover.
      Some say we never recovered.

      So a BNP government would be like a stroll in the park after that experience.

      I don’t know what you’re so worried about.

    80. Carmenego — on 8th July, 2009 at 10:02 am  

      @Colin

      It’s like the Night of the Living Dead, isn’t it? Only instead of zombies, it’s *Asians* (cue woo music).

    81. Shamit — on 8th July, 2009 at 10:09 am  

      “I say ‘genuine’ because a lot of you are under the impression that if you were born in a stable it would indeed make you a horse – all be it an Asian one!”

      Now Colin you are showing your true colours. Well done - so you are a racist after all.

      Jai is a far better representative of Britain than you or anyone of your BNP lot. Its a shame but its the truth.
      ************************************

      Hantsboy - intelligent reponse - WOW. Impressed. But Hantsboy - please refer to my post @53 — have a look and then let’s talk.

      This won’t be a stroll in the park because there won’t be any Marshall plan. But you know it anyways.

    82. Jai — on 8th July, 2009 at 10:14 am  

      Colin,

      Thank you for your contributions to this thread. They have been extremely helpful, albeit probably not in the way that you intended. As with numerous fellow ideologues who have decided to grace this website with their presence, you have unwittingly played your role to perfection.

      You also appear to be under the impression that I am interested in engaging in a dialogue with you. I assure you that you are greatly mistaken in this matter. The fact that I have not addressed you directly in any of my own comments and have not replied directly to any of your repeated so-called ‘rebuttals’ addressed to myself should have been a clear indication of my stance towards you — in short, take the hint.

      My silence is motivated by a complete lack of interest in talking to you, not a lack of ability in countering your assertions. Be advised that addressing any further comments to me would be a further waste of time on your part and that you would be better off directing your efforts and energies elsewhere.

    83. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 10:30 am  

      #82. Shamit.

      What you call a “racist” I call a realist.

      Once upon a time, before the era of mass-immigration, there existed local, autonomous, distinct and well-defined, robust and culturally sustaining connections between the Irish, Scots, Welsh and English.

      These connections constituted ones sense of community and ‘cultural identity’. This identity was something Brits simply ‘had’ as an undisturbed existential possession, an inheritance, a benefit of traditional long dwelling, of continuity with the OUR past.

      Identity, then, like any language, was not just a description of cultural belonging; it was more a
      collective treasure of robust local communities.

      Shamit. If you fervently believe that someone is “racist” for understanding the importance of preserving their racial identity, then it is you, who is the “racist” - not I.

    84. hantsboy — on 8th July, 2009 at 10:30 am  

      Shamit

      I’ve read the article by Levi.
      The trouble is that globalisation and’inward investment’ don’t necessarily benefit ordinary people in the recipient countries.
      One statistic I’ve often come across is that blue collar workers in the US have not had a real increase in wages for 30 years. This is surely because of the inward migration of low cost workers. Exactly what the capitalists want of course.

      Incidentally President Eisenhower maintained tight immigration policies in the 50s to reward his ‘boys’ from the war. The 50s were consequently a golden era for ordinary American workers.

      Once L B Johnson took over in the 60s the floodgates were opened. Now we have an impoverished US with millions of poverty stricken Hispanics.

      I don’t want the same fate here.

      I can’t see any benefit from the new globalised order apart from sky-high property prices (ok if you own one).

    85. munir — on 8th July, 2009 at 10:49 am  

      Colin “Brown” (well youre not really brown are you?)

      “Once upon a time, before the era of mass-immigration, there existed local, autonomous, distinct and well-defined, robust and culturally sustaining connections between the Irish, Scots, Welsh and English.”

      Ah yes- if only all the UK was like Northern Ireland

      “These connections constituted ones sense of community and ‘cultural identity’. This identity was something Brits simply ‘had’ as an undisturbed existential possession, an inheritance, a benefit of traditional long dwelling, of continuity with the OUR past.”

      The funny thing is that life at that time for the working class was hellish. They lived in grotesque poverty (read Dickens or Marx) had virtually no educational or social oppurtuinites and far fewer rights that the wealthy did.

      But this is a time you BNPers hark back to. Absurd.

    86. Jai — on 8th July, 2009 at 10:59 am  

      Hantsboy,

      Even fighting Hitler led to huge economic constraints after WW2. It took years and the loss of a mighty empire to recover.
      Some say we never recovered.

      So a BNP government would be like a stroll in the park after that experience.

      I will keep this relatively brief as Shamit is better placed to explain matters to you in detail, and also because I have generally stated whatever I wished to say in response to the BNP’s latest responses in my series of comments at the start of this thread.

      1. As Shamit said, there would be no Marshall Plan to assist Britain’s recovery this time.

      2. Britain had an existing series of overseas alliances and trade relationships after WW2. These have developed and grown exponentially during the past 60+ years, particularly with massive globalisation and the corresponding integration of Britain into the worldwide, interconnected business network. However, many of these relationships would be terminated upon the election of a BNP government. In fact, with the termination of relations with Commonwealth countries along with the severe impact on relations with various Western nations, particularly the United States, the economic situation would actually continue to go into reverse.

      3. The United States leading and enforcing international sanctions and trade embargos on Britain would have an absolutely catastropic effect on Britain’s economy and overall standard of living.

      4. The two biggest foreign investors in the British economy are currently the United States and India. The termination and withdrawal of this investment would also be extremely destructive towards Britain.

      5. You are presumably aware of the extent to which the recent problems in the Financial Services sector (ie. the City) have wreaked havoc on the rest of the British economy, because of the extent to which the banking sector disproportionally contributes to the British economy as a whole (esp. with the decline in the manufactoring sector in recent times). Considering the extent to which the City is integrated with the global financial system, the severe disruption which would impact London’s financial markets and the sector as a whole as a result of the aforementioned disruption of international trading relationships would make the current crisis “a stroll in the park”.

      6. You may be understimating the number of foreign nationals (both white and non-white) who currently work in the City, due to the multinational nature of both British and foreign (particularly American) banking organisations (especially investment banks). Similarly, you may be understimating the number of non-white British citizens who work in the City. And you may also be understimating the extent to which multinational organisations (both British and foreign, particularly American) currently provide various third-party professional services to the City. Again, the impact on all of this due to the termination/disruption of global business relationships along with the BNP’s own intended policies regarding the employment of non-white people would be extremely dangerous.

      7. Similarly, the extent to which the British private/corporate sector as a whole includes global business relationships involving both British and foreign companies, coupled with the number of non-white British citizens and non-white professionals from overseas who are employed by these companies, would result in any attempts by the BNP to implement the aforementioned policies having extremely serious repercussions. Also, the degree of leverage and financial muscle that the private sector (especially multinationals and investment banks) possess is absolutely huge, so the impact of a) retaliation on their part, and b) termination of business operations in Britain would wreak much more havoc on Britain as a whole than you may think.

      8. In summary, economic and military isolationism for a relatively small island nation like Britain (which is what would happen under a BNP government, due to internal policies and external responses) in a heavily integrated and increasingly globalised modern world, where the major player is the United States and which is rapidly being joined by China, India and Brazil, would be the worst possible thing to happen to this country. This isn’t 1948 — and, even worse, this time Britain wouldn’t have the international allies which assisted British recovery after WW2.

      Modern-day North Korea is probably the best example of what would happen to the United Kingdom.

    87. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 11:06 am  

      #81. It’s an experience.

    88. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 11:18 am  

      #83.

      Jai you can rest assured that the feeling is entirely mutual. However, I’m intrigued why you felt the need to write three paragraphs to “explain” yourself.

      Ignoring someone like me, is an effective, and punitive measure in itself. Was it the Ilford/Redbridge thing that hit a raw nerve.

    89. Jai — on 8th July, 2009 at 11:21 am  

      manufactoring

      “manufacturing”,

      understimating

      and “underestimating”, obviously.

      One of PP’s editors needs to fix the comments edit function.

    90. Shamit — on 8th July, 2009 at 11:26 am  

      Hantsboy

      With regard to your American point - please read the following:

      http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications_papers/pub_display.cfm?id=1140

      It has some interesting graphs which would prove your hypothesis wrong — and if you need any more I can bring out stuff from National Governor’s association.

      However, I do agree with you on one point. The lack of aspiration and education and/or skills have left a significant part of the population behind.

      Now, partly its the state’s fault for not adopting firmer policies on social welfare but primarily its the fault of the parents and the lack of family environments conducive to success.

      Now that is usually not a problem in the British Asian population — and most British Asians go for professional jobs and they are not usually competing with the BNP constituents.

      So please explain how Asians leaving the country would help these people - so by the swish of the magic wand all those who are now not in any productive pursuit would become model citizens. Nice try but again hocus pocus logic.

      Policies driven by jealousy or latent inferiority complex veiled in pseudo-superiority does not usually do much good for society — aka Nazi Germany.

      **********************************************

    91. Jai — on 8th July, 2009 at 11:29 am  

      Colin,

      Notwithstanding your continuing childish attention-seeking attempts to provoke a reaction from me despite your claims that ‘the feeling is mutual’, to re-iterate:

      Thank you for your contributions to this thread. They have been extremely helpful, albeit probably not in the way that you intended. As with numerous fellow ideologues who have decided to grace this website with their presence, you have unwittingly played your role to perfection.

      You also appear to be under the impression that I am interested in engaging in a dialogue with you. I assure you that you are greatly mistaken in this matter. The fact that I have not addressed you directly in any of my own comments and have not replied directly to any of your repeated so-called ‘rebuttals’ addressed to myself should have been a clear indication of my stance towards you — in short, take the hint.

      My silence is motivated by a complete lack of interest in talking to you, not a lack of ability in countering your assertions. Be advised that addressing any further comments to me would be a further waste of time on your part and that you would be better off directing your efforts and energies elsewhere.

    92. chairwoman — on 8th July, 2009 at 11:36 am  

      Mr Brown has obviously never been to Scotland or Wales, but then he probably isn’t much of a fan of ‘abroad’.

      The Welsh and the Scots both detest the English and would like nothing better than to be detached permanently from England and floated off into their respective seas. The Irish are more kindly disposed but consider them harmless idiots who are there to be taken advantage of by a cleverer group.

      Now I accept that I am generalising in a hugely offensive, and no doubt racist way, and to all you Celts reading, forgive me, but as the Scots, Welsh and Irish all chose home rule, that’s how it looks to me.

    93. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 11:36 am  

      You’re a slow learner Jai. Simply ignore me.

    94. Gareth — on 8th July, 2009 at 11:42 am  

      @94

      And you’re not bothering to answer any of the criticisms of policy - why?

    95. Bob — on 8th July, 2009 at 12:43 pm  

      You guys do my head in, I voted for the BNP just to piss you all off :)

    96. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 1:03 pm  

      #95 Gareth.

      Why? Because no matter how logical, or articuled I, or someone else addresses your criticism of BNP policy, somebody here will find something (even if it has to be fabricated) to refute the response.

      Responding to the sympathetic liberal/Marxist mindset in any serious way is absolutely futile. It is not that you can’t be reasoned with, it is that you do not wish to be reasoned with.

      This is why we toy with you, rather than engage you in meaningful and considered debate. Until you accept that Nationalism isn’t racism, discourse will remain our common enemy.

      ———————-

      ps. Hi Jai - how ya doing buddy?

    97. Carmenego — on 8th July, 2009 at 1:22 pm  

      #97 Colin Brown

      Oh - I had no idea you were so open minded and educated.

      What does “articuled” mean?

      If you meant to say “articulated”, I think you may have the meaning confused with something else.

      Do you know what a “non sequitur” is? Because you’re very, very good at them.

    98. 1mongrel — on 8th July, 2009 at 1:33 pm  

      David (68) “But don’t get me wrong I am sure there are some Asians that will only buy from Asians, in the same way there are Brits that will only buy from Brits, I am guessing you are one of them but that is your choice and right, just try not to presume the method of a whole race based on limited experience.”

      Indeed this is probably correct but the white population lack the acquired knowledge and customs of the Asian one. “Black Money” (Gained and spent outside Govt. control) blights all of India, Bangladesh and Pakistan and precludes any kind of welfare state. Those Iron Railings and Lion Topped Gates will have been fabricated and erected by illegal immigrants working for a few pounds to send home and living 10 to a room on top of the same kebab house that provides their (Deducted from wages) food. The materials will have been sourced VAT free from a shop employing the same kind of staff. In the end Asians are no different from the white population - they don’t want the Govts. hands in their pockets to fund a load of lazy immigrants either.

    99. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 1:49 pm  

      #98. “articuled” was a deliberately planted typo. Many Nationalist have discovered that when Lefties run out of argument or, are challenged beyond their abilities they pick on ‘grammatical errors’ in an attempt to deflect defeat.

      Occasionally, I’ll flush out a self-serving liberal with ‘selected’ grammatical errors.

      Well spotted Carmenega. Bravo.

    100. munir — on 8th July, 2009 at 2:02 pm  

      Colin Brown

      “#98. “articuled” was a deliberately planted typo. Many Nationalist have discovered that when Lefties run out of argument or, are challenged beyond their abilities they pick on ‘grammatical errors’ in an attempt to deflect defeat.”

      Perhaps that’s because you spend a great deal of time talking about how only you are truly British while having a poorer grasp of the English language than people you consider “foreigners”- ethnic minorities

      Bet you these “foreigners” know a damn sight more about the UK than you do.

      In any case it wasnt just a grammatical error idiot; it was also a spelling error. What probably caught the attention is what a BAD spelling mistake it was -I mean “articuled” isnt even close to “articulate”

    101. munir — on 8th July, 2009 at 2:05 pm  

      Colin Brown
      “Many Nationalist have discovered that when Lefties run out of argument or, are challenged beyond their abilities they pick on ‘grammatical errors’ in an attempt to deflect defeat”

      Hey everyone lets play “correct Colin Brown’s English”.

      In this short paragraph of 4 lines I spotted 5 errors alone !!!! (4 punctuation and 1 grammar)

    102. Carmenego — on 8th July, 2009 at 2:15 pm  

      Lolz wicked, you even managed to spell my name wrong. Very clever of you.

      I wouldn’t call it defeat though, because you’re still a minority in your own country (allegedly)

    103. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 2:20 pm  

      #101. munir.

      It brought you out of your liberal-hidey-hole.

      OK ‘foreigners’ impress us genuine Brits with your vast knowledge of the UK - without using Google or Wikipedia.

    104. munir — on 8th July, 2009 at 2:27 pm  

      Colin Brown

      “#101. munir.

      It brought you out of your liberal-hidey-hole”

      hehe. I think you’re the first person on PP to call me a liberal.

    105. Carmenego — on 8th July, 2009 at 2:28 pm  

      #104 Colin Brown

      Yeah “foreigners”. Not like me, I hold a British passport and I was born here, and so were both my parents, and my great grandad was awarded the Victoria Cross for services to the British Empire and my dad played field hockey for England in the 1992 Olympics and I once met the mayor of Croydon for a picture I drew of Hampton Court when I was 9 and I drink Earl Grey tea sometimes. And I’m not a horse, like some of the other people here, claiming they were born in a barn… or something…

      Come on, “foreigners”! Answer dammit!

    106. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:09 pm  

      OK, lets test some of you ‘UK foreign experts’ on some fundamental British history to see if you truly posses the knowledge about my homeland as you claim.

      Q1. Who, or what collective race of people occupied Britain around 3000 years BC?

      The use of Google/Wikipedia is strictly FORBIDEN!

      I bet this will expose some horses.

    107. chairwoman — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:16 pm  

      “The use of Google/Wikipedia is strictly FORBIDEN!”

      Shouldn’t that read “VERBOTEN”?

    108. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:25 pm  

      Chairwoman. Ich habe nicht schätzen Sie hatte ein Kommando der Deutschen.

    109. Carmenego — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:30 pm  

      #107 Colin

      Can you trace your family tree back 5000 years with no foreign familial influences? I really hope you never reproduce, as the only logical conclusion I can draw from your heritage is that you’re inbred. And as history has taught us, inbreeding is bad.

    110. Ravi Naik — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:38 pm  

      Q1. Who, or what collective race of people occupied Britain around 3000 years BC?

      I guess if you are a genuine Brit because you think you descend from people who occupied this land 3000 years ago (who as a consequence have to be genuine Brits as well), then…

      … we are genuine Brits as well, because in 3000 years from now, our descendants can make the same claim as you.

    111. Ravi Naik — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:41 pm  

      Or if you disagree with #111, what is the difference between immigrants who came to these shores 3000 years ago (and indeed afterwards), and us? Surely, there is nothing that says that people of specific races have to live in certain places. Or the BNP wouldn’t have an office in the US.

    112. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:45 pm  

      I knew my question would stump you lot.

    113. Ravi Naik — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:47 pm  

      Chairwoman. Ich habe nicht schätzen Sie hatte ein Kommando der Deutschen.

      Do you speak German, Colin?

    114. munir — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:54 pm  

      Colin Brown
      “Q1. Who, or what collective race of people occupied Britain around 3000 years BC?”

      The human race?

    115. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:55 pm  

      #114.

      Not particularly well. Just a smattering.

    116. Don — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:55 pm  

      Colin, easy. Who needs wiki?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlf5ucFanpY

    117. Carmenego — on 8th July, 2009 at 3:59 pm  

      #113

      Oh Colin. Colin, Colin, Colin.

      Did you know that the UK used to be attached to France, and that people migrated across the land mass and gradually the land split. If you’re going to get technical, the original Brits that you seem to be asking about were actually French.

      I may have asked you this already, but if I haven’t, or if you didn’t answer before:

      Why do you care so much about someone’s ethnic background? What difference does it make that some people wear different clothes, or pray in a different language, or eat better food?

      Nobody’s stopping you eating Roast Beef and Tatties, or making you grow a beard, or learn another language (although you displayed so eloquently that you’re not against this). No-one’s telling you where to live, or what to wear, or how to slaughter your chickens.

      Whatever culture you think immigration is eroding, it’s not. You can still get a Sunday Roast in your local pub, you can still buy miniskirts in Primark, you can still listen to The Beatles. WTF is your problem with 10% of the people in the UK not being the same colour skin as you?

    118. Bob — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:08 pm  

      Oh dear so many people trying to argue opinions as if they where facts.

      Personally, you’re all wrong. Only I should be allowed to live in the UK, the rest of you should get the f**k out of my country.

    119. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:10 pm  

      #115. munir.

      “The human race?”

      Avoidance!

      Detail people. I’d like a semi-detailed answer to my basic question.

      I’m beginning to think that “British Asians” lack the ability to recall their British heritage at a moments notice. Now why is that I wonder?

      Q1. Who, or what collective race of people occupied Britain around 3000 years BC?

    120. 5cc — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:10 pm  

      “Q1. Who, or what collective race of people occupied Britain around 3000 years BC?”

      I can do better than tell you. I can show you with a picture.

    121. chairwoman — on 8th July, 2009 at 4:48 pm  

      What part of Britain?

    122. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 5:08 pm  

      #122 chairwoman.

      What part?

      OK. I’ll make it easier.

      Tell me who, or what collective race of people occupied ‘Southern Britain’ at, or around 3000 years BC?”

    123. Don — on 8th July, 2009 at 5:29 pm  

      Colin, no-one is taking your question seriously because it is literally meaningless. I’m guessing the answer in your head would be ‘Nordic’ or some such, but actual scholarship doesn’t discourse in those terms. Tracking population movements is far more about cultural artifacts.

      Who lived in Britain during the Neolithic period? I spent some time at Skara Brae a few years back (bit of an effort to get there, but worth it)and as I recall the builders were probably descended from northern European hunter-gatherers, but elsewhere in Britain there was significant movement from Iberia. And of course the neolothic is marked by the rapid take up of agriculture which was probably introduced by a wave of migration from the near-east.

      I say ‘probably’ because this is an area where work is still very much in progress. That’s without wiki, but I did recently finish reading the excellent ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’ by Jared Diamond and that piqued my interest in early population movements.

      So, a whole bunch of people to whom the term ‘collective race’ does not apply.

    124. Amrit — on 8th July, 2009 at 5:51 pm  

      I just lolled around at 5cc’s pic - thank you for that! :-D

    125. Ravi Naik — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:02 pm  

      Q1. Who, or what collective race of people occupied Britain around 3000 years BC?

      North European tribes whose ancestors came from Africa. Why 3000BC? Why not 60000BC?

      Chairwoman. Ich habe nicht schätzen Sie hatte ein Kommando der Deutschen

      Not particularly well. Just a smattering.

      How about nothing at all? A friend of mine is actually German, so I just IM your text, and she told me that it is gibberish, and sounded a lot like something that was translated automatically by Google. I understand you want to impress us by pretending you know a second language, but you keep on embarrassing yourself.

    126. Amrit — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:13 pm  

      aloud* even

      Made for an amusing mistake though, hahaha.

    127. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:23 pm  

      #124

      I disagree with you Don. The term ‘collective’ is a valid to the question I raised. And here is why.

      I share the view that a ‘race’ is defined as a group of individuals sharing common genetic attributes which determine that group’s physical appearance and, more controversially, their cognitive abilities. Ethnicity is defined as the creation of groupings by individuals (most often within racial groups but also possible across racial divides) of certain common traditions, languages, art forms, attitudes and other means of expression.

      A culture is the name given to the physical manifestations created by ethnic groupings - the actual language, art forms, religion and social order and achievements of a particular ethnic group.

      In practical terms then, it is possible to talk of a White race; of a Scottish ethnicity and a Scottish culture. The last two - ethnicity and culture - are directly dependent upon each other, and in fact flow from each other in a symbiotic relationship.

      What exactly is meant by the White race? Essentially there are three main sub groupings to the White race, with two further divisions of note. The three major sub groupings are known to academics as Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean.

      Although these names have come about mainly as a result of the geographic areas these sub groupings have been associated with in the Christian era (Nordics in northern Europe, Alpines in central Europe and Mediterraneans in southern Europe) it is incorrect to believe that these groupings always occupied these regions. These three main sub groupings have played a role in events in almost every geographical region where the White race as a group has appeared.

      Of these three original groupings, only two are existent in any large numbers today: the Nordics and the Alpines. The original Mediterraneans of ancient history are not to be confused with those people loosely termed “Mediterranean” today - the present day inhabitants of the Mediterranean region are largely mixtures of several races, with the original White Mediterranean component for the greatest part having long since been submerged amongst invasions first of the Nordic and Alpine White sub-groupings, and then under non-White Arabic, Turkish and other Middle Eastern and North African racial groupings.

      To illustrate the concept of these three main sub groupings: although there is a broadly termed “Black race” in existence, there are major sub-groupings amongst that racial grouping: the Congo basin Pygmy and the ultra tall Masai tribesmen of Kenya are two good examples of sub groupings within the Black racial group.

      A sub grouping is therefore a branch of a particular race which exhibits slightly different physical characteristics but still shares enough of a common genetic inheritance with other sub-groupings to be included in a broad racial category.

      It is worth stating again, as it is of great significance in more ways than one, that there are very few of the original Mediterranean racial types left in the world today. They were known as the “Old Europeans” and inhabited large parts of Europe, Egypt, the Middle and Near East and Egypt at the dawn of history.

      These Mediterranean types bear almost no resemblance to the present day inhabitants of the Mediterranean basin: the original Old Europeans have been absorbed almost completely into either the Nordic/Alpine stock in Europe itself, or the African/Semitic/Asian stock of North Africa, the Near and Middle East.

      The only place in Europe where occasional glimpses of this original Mediterranean racial sub grouping can still be seen, is in the Celtic fringes of Britain, most notably in Wales and Devonshire, and in the Basque territory of Spain. In these regions there exists a short dark strain - remnants of the original inhabitants of Europe.

      Pure examples of this Mediterranean type are however still fairly rare, as even they have for the largest degree had some Nordic or Alpine admixture over the years.

      Two other White racial sub groupings exist (called Dinarics and East Baltics) - these groupings are to the largest degree the result of mixtures of the three main sub groupings. The Dinarics and East Baltics are found in large numbers in present day Eastern Europe, and exhibit Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean physical characteristics.

      A very small percentage of these two sub-groupings also display the physical characteristics resulting from physical mixing with the waves of Asiatic invaders who penetrated Europe from the east during the course of history.

      How is race tracked in civilization? How is it determined whether the populations of certain societies or civilization belonged to specific races? The answer to this is simple: race in history is tracked in four ways: palaeoserology, art forms, language, and the science of genetics. This last test has only come into its own in the last ten years of the 20th Century, but has proven to be a major aid in tracking racial history.

      ——————-

      I don’t want to bore you further Don. Suffice to say ‘Whites’ have occupied the landmass of Europe since the last ice age 15’000 years ago.

      This is our land. Nobody will convice us otherwise so long as we retain the knowledge of our ancestry inside us.

    128. flipside — on 8th July, 2009 at 6:29 pm  

      I known I’m not Asian.

    129. 5cc — on 8th July, 2009 at 9:37 pm  

      Colin - where did you lazily cut and paste that from? white-history.com or stormfront?

    130. Colin Brown — on 8th July, 2009 at 9:49 pm  

      #130 5cc.

      Yes. I’m one of those lazy idiots who prefers not to reinvent the wheel every five minutes.

    131. Don — on 8th July, 2009 at 10:30 pm  

      Like I said. Nordic.

    132. Carmenego — on 9th July, 2009 at 8:35 am  

      #128 Colin

      That’s all very impressive. You’ve convinced me (that you’re able to ctrl+c/ctrl+v like a mofo) but you didn’t answer my question #118 Why is ethnicity such a big deal to you?

    133. 5cc — on 9th July, 2009 at 10:58 am  

      “I’m one of those lazy idiots who prefers not to reinvent the wheel every five minutes.”

      Don’t you mean ‘reinvent the pseudointellectual ramblings of a BNP activist who used to be a vocal supporter of South African apartheid whose past works include articles written for a radical American white separatist organisation’?

      In any case, it’s a funny read. I especially liked how all the achievements of ancient Egypt were the results of white Egyptians rather than the brown ones, so thanks for that.

      People usually include a link to things they quote so that a) readers can go away and have a look for themselves, and b) to avoid the impression that they’re passing other people’s work off as their own.

      It’s an honesty thing, which might be difficult for BNP types to understand.

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